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Bob has a problem and seems to be increasing with every post, he incorporates what is said to him.

I asked him if he knew what a False Flag was, he replied.
"Never heard of that before. No, I won't adopt a new name for it" April 7th

In the message to you he relies:
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From: BobKnoss
Date Sent:
Apr 29, 2012, 4:24 AM
No, I am saying TOG planned a "false Flag" Government Operation authorized by Nixon.

he shows a pattern of this through out his postings, the can to a milk can that turns into a milk can in very good condition!

The Drafting process goes from Induction to exam (backwards) "I went right to the front of the line" "I was the last one there"

Mid March into the first week of April, on and on, circle around circle going nowhere.

The location of Janet was way off from DOCUMENTED reports.

everything he says has a hitch to it so it can not be confirmed, "I saw it, but you will have a hard time finding it, Rataczak invented the Cooper vane but, Bob carefully puts this clause in: "although it is assigned to another inventor"

These are just a few examples of signs of deception or possibly someone with a severe problem!

People claim that it is just a story and he has a right to post? well I find this problematic because nothing can be checked for validation, others make claims on here and have some sort of evidence to back up there claim.

we all jump on the Knoss band wagon keeping him fueled for continuing this "story" backing your statements is just a little higher on the scale of a "story" IMHO.

If this thread is to get back to any true points of interest, Bob Knoss can not be a part of it! where does it end?

Thank you for clarifying my thoughts. Without your help I wouldn't know WHAT i was thinking!

Yes, I stand by all I said, but as I stated it in total, not twisted and exurped and burped. I proofed everything. You need to do the same. Just stating a different opinion does not make it different. My proof is the actual participants themselves who have confirmed the information to me. They will definitely not declare the same publicly, so no need to contradict what they say, even if they choose to say otherwise. At least the truth is out there as an optional series of events.

Georger: You assume wrong, too. Bill Rataczak was the brains behind the Cooper Vane, if you want to spend any effort at all looking for truth! All you guys seem to do is act like magnets for the phony information. That is why I call you all the "COOPER CREW", because of your apparent objective to support and defend only the false information about the case. I have yet to see anyone other than Robert99 address anything valid. His study of a westerly shift in the flight path is consistent with the report I was given verbally by an unimpeachable witness. Second hand, but totally trustworthy.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jWnQ_Umfu4

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Blevins/Skyjack71

Blevins you might ask the pilot if he could see the glow in the clouds over Vancouver/Portland and possibly not the actual lights due to the overcast. That might clear up what has been posted that the pilots said. Some of us believe that Cooper used the glow in the clouds to determine where he was and know when to jump along with the time on his watch.

Thank you,

Bob Sailshaw

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The only thing that TIGHAR is on to is their discovery that they can raise money for their vacations in the south seas by claiming that Earhart is in the Gardner Island area.

Other than the bit about the south seas, how is that different than some other posters here?

Possibly the fact they have a reputation, they are well known in the Earhart community, sponsors believing in there Evidence.

"We’re 82% of the way toward completing the $2,000,000 budget for the expedition that could find Amelia’s plane."

don't seem to be 100% positive of there claim, like some posters on here!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The only thing that TIGHAR is on to is their discovery that they can raise money for their vacations in the south seas by claiming that Earhart is in the Gardner Island area.

Other than the bit about the south seas, how is that different than some other posters here?

It's basically the same except that the DZ posters are trying to peddle books. That is small potatoes compared to TIGHAR's budget, as reported by mrshutter's post.

But I must say that TIGHAR has an absolutely beautiful web page with lots of information on Earhart. It's to bad that none of their information seems to support the Gardner Island theory.

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The only thing that TIGHAR is on to is their discovery that they can raise money for their vacations in the south seas by claiming that Earhart is in the Gardner Island area.

Other than the bit about the south seas, how is that different than some other posters here?

It's basically the same except that the DZ posters are trying to peddle books. That is small potatoes compared to TIGHAR's budget, as reported by mrshutter's post.

But I must say that TIGHAR has an absolutely beautiful web page with lots of information on Earhart. It's to bad that none of their information seems to support the Gardner Island theory.

I'd like to address this post.

Tighar and Gardner: The evidence they have posted on their website...well, it's pretty extensive, but a bit thin. The biggest problem I have with their scenario is the fact that human beings were NOT on Gardner at the time of Earhart's disappearance, but WERE there within a year AFTERWARD. And that no one who was there afterward reported anything about bodies or wreckage. They do have a picture of some possible wreckage from the plane, but it's also thin. It comes down to this: If they find Earhart's plane this time off the reef, they will be vindicated. If they do not, then the whole thing was a waste of their time and a lot of other peoples' money.

About some posters being here just to promote a book on Cooper:

Except for a brief time in August of 2011 when Geoff Gray's book came out at Amazon, sales of Blast have been steady...and the same amount of copies each month...for more than two years now.

My postings here have had absolutely NO effect on sales. Blast continues to be AB of Seattles' #4 selling book. Number of copies going out each month are the same, within a few copies here or there. And I have a standing offer to anyone at DZ: Shoot me an email and you can have the complete PDF (pictures are much better than the print version or the Kindle version) for FREE.

Our website says the same thing on the Info for Press and Media page. It's the only book we have where we do this.

I gave up on trying to make any real money from Blast a long time ago. My only interest in the Cooper case these days is whether we are right or wrong in our theory about Christiansen. Just breaking even on the book will take us about five more years, LOL.

Blevins, With all due respect, you state that Blast is your 4th selling book and that it will take five more years to break even on it. Are your top three selling books bringing in a lot of money or are you in the book business to just go bankrupt?

Another small consideration in the Gardner Island theory is that Earhart never gave any indication that she was heading anywhere other than Howland Island and, in any event, she did not have the fuel to fly the 400+ miles from Howland to Gardner.

Earhart knew that she was within a few miles of Howland Island. Would she invest her remaining fuel in trying to find Howland or would she head for Gardner and then have to repeat the same search procedures in an effort to find it?

Howland Island was difficult to spot from the air (see Ann Holtgren Pellegreno's book). But with Noonan's sun shots narrowing down their location, they should have been able to bracket Howland Island if they had sufficient time (meaning fuel) to do so.

Of course, the whole Howland Island problem would have been eliminated if Earhart had bothered to learn how to use the radio direction finder capabilities, how to do a DF steer (which was routinely taught to American student pilots until about 1970), and informed the Navy people of her take off time from Lae.

In addition, the Navy was not informed of Earhart's unusual communications schedule in which she would transmit and then listen for a reply 30 minutes later. It would also have been helpful if Earhart and the Navy were operating on the same time (such as GMT). Some of the time zones in the Pacific in that era were only 30 minutes apart, so it is possible that Earhart and the Howland Island people were transmitting at the same time and listening at the same time.

"Bad planning, bad execution" seems to have been the Navy's conclusion about the whole approach to Howland.

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BK did NOT know Duane Weber and he relates only twisted tid bits on this thread. Anyone believing one word of his rants and raves - needs to come SEE me and review the research including the communications I had with BK.

BK would state - there was NO Tommy Gunn then several months later Gunn is a key factor in his mind.

That is just ONE example.
BK did NOT know Duane Weber or D.B. Cooper. Perhaps BK knew McCoy and was the snitch who told the FBI where he was. Perhaps this is why BK is so driven about the Cooper case.

BK is dealing with his own conscience - and his own guilt! Now that is a total new approach to BK and maybe a little bird just dropped this on me. You will NEVER know if you don't know Now!

Each one of you need to examine WHY BK is involved in the Cooper story at all. Obviously he was NOT part of the Cooper Caper. Why is he driven to make McCoy part of the Cooper story? Guilt!

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PS: The only way BK can handle his guilt is to keep McCoy alive......so much I want to say, but so little I can say!

Do you guys think I invented this angle? Not Hardly! Secrets are not usually kept forever.

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I won't repeat How a bucket became a milk can as all of you know that story by heart, but NOT BK.

But I will repeat this portion for the benefit of JT.

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Yes, regarding the River House - it was theory that Duane may have used a "bucket" from that open shed...only because of his statement in the hospital that he put 100 and some odd dollars in a bucket and he couldn't find the bucket. ]This is the ONE statement that ANNE (one of Duane's workers) did hear. I heard one figure and she heard another. This was the DAY AFTER his confession and he was heavily sedated by that time.

Anne asked me what he was talking about and I told her I did not have a clue. It was then I told her about what he had said the day before. SHE nor I had any knowledge of Cooper - I simply told her he had been rambling on ever since the started the Morphine after his out burst - saying "Oh, Fxxx Let Die With Me".

This is also where JT gets confused claiming that Anne was present when he confessed.

Telling me he was Dan Coooper and that he jumped out of a plane was the day the told the Dr. he wanted NO MORE dialysis and produced his living will. He had refused all Morphine and any drug other than the blood pressure meds for 2 or 3 days.

It was the NEXT day that Anne came to see him - AFTER they started the heavy doses of morphine. I called Anne and Jim and others and told them if they wanted to see Duane they needed to come now - not later.

The statement about putting money in a bucket was made after he had started the morphine back and the day after his confession when Anne was present. Anne heard NO confession - only the statement about money in a bucket and he couldn't find the bucket. I assumed at that time the ramblings and delusions of morphine - she also thought this.

AHH this feels good: The bucket and the things that happened in the hospital have been restated as they have been stated for 17 yrs now. BK and JT need to take NOTE and not bring these thing up again. They are NOT for debate, but an actual accounting of my experience and what I told the FBI.

Now I will move on from this subject - read the next email.

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Today in a phone conversation I was asked about the time Duane came home crawling drunk while we were living in Virginia. I retold the story to the satisfaction of the other party.

After we had been in Virginia for about 2 yrs. We were living in a house we bought and remodeled so I know it was not during the 1st 18 months in VA. Yet, the site where McCoy was killed Duane showed me during my 1st few weeks in VA.

It was the only time I ever remember Duane being so drunk he was crawling in the door. He was also crying. I thought from what he was saying perhaps he had hit someone or had an accident. I did check out the car to make sure "nothing" bad had happened.

He kept telling me he was responsible for someone dieing after they tried to do something he did (he used the word copycat). I dismissed all of this as the ramblings of a very Drunk man. The next day he offered no explanations for his ramblings...did NOT want to discuss it.

It was around this time he brought home the book with the 5 guys standing by the old pump truck and told me there was a picture of him in the book, but someone had tore it out. I never have found what that book was, but Snowman produced the picture of the men in this thread...one of those men according to a photo ID program was actually Duane L. Weber and the man whose name was given (family members told me he was never in CA. OR or WA) and this man was NOT their Uncle.

At any rate back to the drunk who crawled in the door. The person who was enquiring about this incident tonight - proposed his theory. I had alway thought perhaps Duane was the snitch on McCoy and perhaps that was why he was so remorseful, but now we know BK was the snitch - RIGHT! So why was Duane so upset - quilt or fear the same thing would happen to him.

I will re-state Duane showed remorse and felt responsible for someone's death to another party prior to my ever meeting Duane.... perhaps why he changed his life. This other party told me he was very drunk and the incident happened during the 1st 2 yrs he knew Duane. He met Duane in 1973. I do NOT know when McCoy died.

I knew little to nothing about Cooper and old crimes just did NOT interest me. What my husband shared with me of his life prior to me was very very limited...at that time I was not aware of any prison records either other than a supposed 2 months in a county jail - which goes back to the nightmare Duane had in 1978 in CO where he is grasping into the air and screaming "I'm going to die!".
and "I left my prints on the aft stare". Remember County jail was how he explained aft stairs, but of course now I know there was NO AFT stair in a county jail.

Since we are aware that BK was the snitch - why was Duane Weber so upset living in VA and having to pass the place McCoy died many many times. Did Duane learn for the first time while we were in VA that someone had snitched on McCoy?
Did Duane NOT know the details regarding the death of McCoy. Why did this create such an impact of Weber. Himmelsbach's book came out later - so it had to be local talk at the bar.

Duane could be mean, but he was a real softie. Now that I know about his prison record - I understand why he had this gruff exterior and yet his guy friends were NOT like that at all. No they were not gay.

Three of these individuals I now believe he knew from prison. Two of them had a smaller stature than Duane and both would have been victims if you get my drift in a prison. I think Duane was a shield to young guys in the system - to protect them. It was just how Duane did things....Duane was bigger and stronger and he could act really mean. This is pure theory on my part and because I know the nature of the man I spent 17yrs with - he was a protector and he had a soft spot for others. Oh, Well off subject.

Now I am tired and lost touch of what I was trying to say.

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"Now I am tired and lost touch of what I was trying to say."

Hell's Bells! I'm fully alert and lost touch of what you were trying to say! Bk never knew Duane or McCoy, but he was THE snitch for something. From a person who never heard the story until twenty some years later?

The way Mac explained it there was no "snitch". Karen relayed Mac's instructions to O'Hara about the bank. The whole escapade was staged in Mac's home town because he knew the area like the back of his hand. The local cop was Mac's friend and in on the plans to get information out of Walker. They got what they wanted, put the boys back in the slammer and had to eliminate a used up undercover character. Standard procedure. The King is dead, long live the King. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., officially dead, Captain Tommy Gunn ready for duty, new dude, got his job back, see George Tenet. Same SS number, still answered to "Mac."

Captain Tommy Gunn lost his name, due to porno stars with the same name soon after, and David Polcek appeared (like George Peppard's character). (RFMjr2) He then later reappeared as R McCoy, same old Pentagon job, same old SS number, and died again around 2000 (retirement) of leg cancer, reappearing as another Richard McCoy (RFMjr3) which he uses in retirement, with some modification. NOW I'm a snitch. I told a government secret. The three lives of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., Infamous Agent.

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From a ham radio blog about AE radio stuff:

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There are many interesting radio related aspects to Earhart's final flight,
and in that
connection I'd heartily recommend Ric Gillespie's book, which goes into the
putative
post-landing messages at length.
Some of what are called "post-loss" transmissions were claimed to be heard
totally
out of the 3105 and 6210 channels that her radio was equipped with. I was a
member
of the  TIGHAR forum several years ago and confess I was probably
instrumental in
furthering the claims to veracity of those reported receptions, when I
pointed out the
harmonic-liberating ability of the minimal tuned circuits in the W.E.
transmitter. The
tuned circuit in the transmitter was only a single tapped coil, something
like in our
BC-230/430 transmitter but without any resonating variable cap. Plus in
those years,
late 1930s, DX was really, and I mean really, in and working. So it is
possible that
people heard AE on some odd harmonic of one of her channels. However, TIGHAR
credulously accepted one or two reception reports that I thought lacked
logic to
them - in one, AE is heard seemingly having a conversation with her
navigator,
even when listening to the receiver at the same time. Which sounded to me a
bit too much like a "broadcast", as in "program".  I questioned the
"harmonic
theory" but was attacked by TIGHAR's resident physicist advisor, who
marshaled
the ICEPAC ( I think it was ) propagation prediction software to silence me.
I don't
have the math to work this program and I don't have time to learn it now,
even if
I wished to. I did point out that the "harmonic theory" depended on analysis
of the
whole transmitter from tube plate to wire antenna resonances - that there
was no
such thing as "broadly resonant" single wire antenna ( that description
still survives
in the TIGHAR "Research Reports" but my objection was blithely ignored.
Basically
I am saying that an antenna match at 6210 to a nonresonant wire antenna will
NOT automatically guarantee an effective transfer of power to the wire
antenna
at some harmonic of 6210. It so much depends on the antenna impedances.
However that point was disregarded in their physicist advisor's power
calculations,
which I would call "best, best, best case".
A couple other points. There was NO CW transmitting facility provided. No
key
was taken along. The only way possible to key the transmitter would have
been
to disconnect the antenna feeder and send by touching it to the transmitter
antenna
post. You might have an opinion on how likely that was to have been done, by
two
non-technical people not particularly schooled in telegraph sending.
Also, apparently, altho we do not know for certain, NO RDF receiver of any
kind
was onboard. There was a photo of AE with a Bendix representative posing
with
a "DF Coupler" for use with any HF receiver; this was clearly a prototype of
a model
Bendix sold the the U.S. Navy, which became the DU, later produced in larger
numbers as the DU-1. The DU itself tuned up to 8 MHz. The Navy later
abandoned
the idea of HF DF for aircraft as just not workable; hence the more limited
freq
range of the DU-1, up to 1500 kHz. AE was supposedly to DF on the USCG ship
Itasca on 7000 kHz but could not get a null, for whatever reason, skywave
interference or unfamiliarity with using the DU, plus the possible added
difficulty
of tuning back and forth on the receiver from 7000 to one of the comms
channels.
Truly, the communications arrangements were poorly and sketchily worked out
and that was probably a major factor in her missing the landing island.
It has seemed to me for a long time that this would have been an ideal
project
for someone like Paul Allen to pursue. At last Ric Gillespie has funds for
another
search.  Climate change conditions mean Nikumaroro is being pounded by
fiercer storms and there was fear whatever scant evidence might remain would
be washed away by higher seas. Ric Gillespie has, altho he would deny it,
made
this his life's work and certainly for all his devotion to this subject,
certainly
deserves to learn AE's final chapter, one way or the other.
I did a few years back buy a transmitter of the same type as on AE's
aircraft.
I thought it would be a kick to restore and use on air, and also to try to
get
some real numbers as for harmonic output power and emergency CW keying
method. I learned that the W.E. tubes are what I considered fabulously
expensive, slightly better in the last couple years as China has started
reproducing the 205D tube for the audio market - thank you, glass audio
fanatics. Probably I will have to get a BC-375 type dynamotor to run the
transmitter. After a recent surgery it hurts to even think of things such as
heavy dynamotors etc. or lifting anything heavier than a 205D but I'm hoping
given enough months I can bounce back and even move some PE-237s out
of my vehicle at last.
Again, I strongly recommend the Gillespie book. You will get every cent of
your money's worth.

I don't think there were any post landing radio messages.

377

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"I won't repeat How a bucket became a milk can as all of you know that story by heart, but NOT BK."

Not a "bucket", it was a "pail", a MILK pail. You must have heard wrong again. You do that constantly, you know. We all keep telling you. A milk pail (can) buried under a tree by the river. That's what McCoy said. Maybe McCoy heard wrong, too. I know for certain that is what was told to me. I'm betting any confusion on this matter lies with the party with the history of getting it wrong.

JT: Where did you get your information? "Uncle Mac?" Then you should have the same info I have.

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"Regina says she traced one IP that she believes belongs to Bob Knoss, using different usernames to make comments. If she denies this, I will post the email from her about it."

I made one post on that rediculous site as I recall, to deny ownership of the bad posts. That one good post was REMOVED!! Tell you anything about objectives of the management? I put it on Blevins since that is where the references seem to always generate. Could be a lot of people, but since I KNOW my IP was NOT the source, that makes that story a lie, and that info came from you know who, the wannabe crap writer/cartoonist with too much time on his hands... Pretty basic cop work.

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"Regina says she traced one IP that she believes belongs to Bob Knoss, using different usernames to make comments. If she denies this, I will post the email from her about it."

I made one post on that rediculous site as I recall, to deny ownership of the bad posts. That one good post was REMOVED!! Tell you anything about objectives of the management? I put it on Blevins since that is where the references seem to always generate. Could be a lot of people, but since I KNOW my IP was NOT the source, that makes that story a lie, and that info came from you know who, the wannabe crap writer/cartoonist with too much time on his hands... Pretty basic cop work.

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It had to be you
I wandered around and finally found
The somebody who
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Could make me be blue
or even be glad Just to be sad
thinking of you

Some others I've seen.
might never be mean
Might never be cross
or try to be boss
But they wouldn't do
For nobody else gave me a thrill
With all your faults I love you still
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Broken record

Play it again Sam.

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"Not a "bucket", it was a "pail", a MILK pail. You must have heard wrong again"

Now we have a Pail?? not many options left for Bobby? perhaps Milk Jug will follow in the future!

funny, "McCoy" (dead guy) told him a month or so ago "it was a milk can in very good condition"

caretakeral goes back and forth from can to milk can?

ROUND AND ROUND WE Gooooooooooooo.

GOT MILK?


Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery

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"Not a "bucket", it was a "pail", a MILK pail. You must have heard wrong again"

I heard NOTHING wrong!
This man is a total lunatic.
Bucket or pail they are both the same - that utensil into which the milk flowed after being extracted from the cow's tits!

A milk Can is a different thing all together. That is a can with a lid that is use to transport the milk from the milk station to a central point. We did NOT have milking machines when I was on a farm and we milked by hand - we sold the farm in 1958.

BK talks to the dead.
McCoy is dead.
BK did NOT know anything about a one legged man or Tommy Gunn - and I will assure you neither of the guys were McCoy!

McCoy did NOT contact BK, but I think I know who likes to play with his mind. Feed his delusions and this crime will never be solved. I am tired of wasting my time and energy on this.

Why don't we get "Feisty" about this. Is this CODE. You bet! BUT, guess what - bet BK knows what I am talking about. His TOG loves to play games with him and lives on BK's turf!

Taking BK for the ride of his life.

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"Not a "bucket", it was a "pail", a MILK pail. You must have heard wrong again"

I heard NOTHING wrong!
This man is a total lunatic.
Bucket or pail they are both the same - that utensil into which the milk flowed after being extracted from the cow's tits!

A milk Can is a different thing all together. That is a can with a lid that is use to transport the milk from the milk station to a central point. We did NOT have milking machines when I was on a farm and we milked by hand - we sold the farm in 1958.

BK talks to the dead.
McCoy is dead.
BK did NOT know anything about a one legged man or Tommy Gunn - and I will assure you neither of the guys were McCoy!

McCoy did NOT contact BK, but I think I know who likes to play with his mind. Feed his delusions and this crime will never be solved. I am tired of wasting my time and energy on this.

Why don't we get "Feisty" about this. Is this CODE. You bet! BUT, guess what - bet BK knows what I am talking about. His TOG loves to play games with him and lives on BK's turf!

Taking BK for the ride of his life.

Jiberish. What you state is totally unfactual. Where do you come up with this jiberish? I never knew a one legged man, correcto!! Finally! The one legged guy is your fixation, not mine. There are a thousand Tommy Gunns, I may not have known yours, correcto! Mine WAS McCoy, I have film! McCoy was in regular contact, how do you know differently? Mentalist, now? Milk pail, milk can all the same to some people. He buried a milk pail with a lid. Why use an open bucket? Didn't happen. Not what McCoy said. Under a tree by the river, then he couldn't find the same tree again. That is what McCoy said.

TOG doesn't play games with me because we don't speak.
We don't email. We don't plan attacks on anyone. He pretends to be uninvolved and I support him. I have all the facts and have been corrected ONCE. Scott did not go back to sit beside Cooper and say. "So what's this about a bomb?" THAT is fabrication according to TOG. Fabrication, just like your opposition to the truth of my involvement with McCoy.

You get nothing wrong???? At least HALF of what I present is interpreted wrong by you. Your batting average is 500! If your average with Sluggo, Georger, Jerry, 377, me, was the same with Duane, you have the credibility problem clearly in your vision. Things just don't always fit the facts as we know them. You are not the last word on this case, unfortunately. Doesn't work that way. The last word is going to be total fiction of the Government's choosing. I think you see that very clearly, right? None of us have any say on what that will be. We just slam our fists on the table and dream of vile things to do to BK because he has a commitment to expose what he knows. And that is different than what you heard, and is illogical to everyone else, so here we sit. Jiberish. I'm one voice in a blackout. Ignore me.

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Jiberish. I'm one voice in a blackout. Ignore me.

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Your emails and my notes regarding your phone calls are all that is needed.

1. There was NO one legged man in your story until I shared the story about the one legged man in CO...documented.

2. Your email regarding Richard McCoy and Duane Weber in Africa supported by your "article" that was supposedly composed by you. I actually have a copy of that "site" you sent me to and your email which accompanied it - claiming Duane and McCoy were FBI....documented.

3. Your MKultra claim sent to me by you....documented.

4. Your claim of Bucket, Pail and Can - all documented on this thread...your lies catch up with you in a thread with individuals as astute as the ones here. BK you are in over your head.

5. The only reason I survive here is because my story never changes. Yours continuely changes. The guys here know I played with the theories, but what I actually laid claim to regarding Duane and what facts I did know have NOT changed.


Note when you make your posts and claim I stated certain things - be very very careful that the quote is an actual quote and reference the post. Do not make a mistake like you did in a recent post that makes it appear or sound like I said such and such if you do NOT have the Quote! This is the only warning you will ever get.

Get Feisty and do it right. Again I have spoke in "Code" to you and IF you DO understand what I just said then you would get the message I am trying to deliver, but because YOU ACTUALLY have NO knowledge of Duane Weber or anything he participated in - you won't GET it!.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion about another's facts. You have opinions, not facts. Your opinions are biased.

There NEVER has been a one-legged man in what I tell.

Mac and Duane were not FBI, we looked at references to similar names, spelled differently as I recall, two b's. "I know of no one who was ever both FBI and CIA." ~~Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. Not every discussion is hardcore fact carved in stone. We were investigating a possibility.

Richard McCoy is not dead, you just believe he is dead.

MKULTRA is an all-enclusive name that includes Bluebird, which is what Tina and I were subjected to, yes. Probably Duane as well.

My story does not change, I keep looking for additional information, asking questions, probing. I have never TOLD the whole story. It is way too long to tell at one time. What happened happened, I can't change what I experienced, but we all can still learn more from others (when they tell the truth). Falsehoods are usually proven as such, eventually. I will help prove truth as I am able.

I will not get feisty. There are still a few people I speak about whom I still wish to support, not submarine. There are forces opposed to each other in this conflict, young guys and old guys of differing mindsets. This is their battle, not mine. I'd like to see a compromise, like you hinted at recently, as we have discussed. Problem is a loose cannon.... JW.

The mind of a scorned woman functions on a different wavelength. Like lightening from the clouds. Leaving a smelly green haze in the aftermath. I know, down deep you really love me, green ham that I am.

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion about another's facts. You have opinions, not facts. Your opinions are biased.

There NEVER has been a one-legged man in what I tell.

Mac and Duane were not FBI, we looked at references to similar names, spelled differently as I recall, two b's. "I know of no one who was ever both FBI and CIA." ~~Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. Not every discussion is hardcore fact carved in stone. We were investigating a possibility.

Richard McCoy is not dead, you just believe he is dead.

MKULTRA is an all-enclusive name that includes Bluebird, which is what Tina and I were subjected to, yes. Probably Duane as well.

My story does not change, I keep looking for additional information, asking questions, probing. I have never TOLD the whole story. It is way too long to tell at one time. What happened happened, I can't change what I experienced, but we all can still learn more from others (when they tell the truth). Falsehoods are usually proven as such, eventually. I will help prove truth as I am able.

I will not get feisty. There are still a few people I speak about whom I still wish to support, not submarine. There are forces opposed to each other in this conflict, young guys and old guys of differing mindsets. This is their battle, not mine. I'd like to see a compromise, like you hinted at recently, as we have discussed. Problem is a loose cannon.... JW.

The mind of a scorned woman functions on a different wavelength. Like lightening from the clouds. Leaving a smelly green haze in the aftermath. I know, down deep you really love me, green ham that I am.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

This project?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Three out of a new series of pictures we recently obtained of Kenny Christiansen. Two of them are from when he was training as a paratrooper. The other is from his time with Northwest. On that one, we are making attempts to identify the other people in the picture. I'm currently working on an article for my column at Newsvine that calls out the Seattle FBI (politely) on a few things, such as their refusal (so far) to investigate KC as a suspect and their claims on the Amboy chute.

This particular article has to go through our 'legal department' before I release it. (that means one lawyer in Seattle who works cheap, LOL.)

I'll post the link to it when it comes out.

Blevins, I hope you didn't pay good money for the pictures of KC's "paratrooper training". Those two pictures don't have anything to do with paratrooper training.

In fact, based on the uniforms and equipment, both pictures were probably made prior to 1935, repeat 1935, and not 1945. Those fellows look like they were getting ready to go chase Pancho Villa.

Paratrooper training is only about three weeks long and concentrates on parachutes and related equipment and not weapons training.

Weapons training is conducted elsewhere and prior to and after jump school. Physical conditioning is conducted throughout the training. But in my day, people who wanted to go to jump school had to pass a physical conditioning test before they would even be considered.

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Three out of a new series of pictures we recently obtained of Kenny Christiansen. Two of them are from when he was training as a paratrooper. The other is from his time with Northwest. On that one, we are making attempts to identify the other people in the picture. I'm currently working on an article for my column at Newsvine that calls out the Seattle FBI (politely) on a few things, such as their refusal (so far) to investigate KC as a suspect and their claims on the Amboy chute.

This particular article has to go through our 'legal department' before I release it. (that means one lawyer in Seattle who works cheap, LOL.)

I'll post the link to it when it comes out.

Blevins, I hope you didn't pay good money for the pictures of KC's "paratrooper training". Those two pictures don't have anything to do with paratrooper training.

In fact, based on the uniforms and equipment, both pictures were probably made prior to 1935, repeat 1935, and not 1945. Those fellows look like they were getting ready to go chase Pancho Villa.

Paratrooper training is only about three weeks long and concentrates on parachutes and related equipment and not weapons training.

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Details details! Who cares when it comes to an
Adventure Book and Koolaide for the masses!


But what is interesting about the photo, you missed entirely, is Kenny standing next to Bill Rataczak!

What's THAT all about !?

No wonder the crew wasnt allowed to go to the back;
Bill would have recognised Kenny immediately, so,
it was a conspiracy - just as Knoss says.

Knoss must be grateful! Blevins just proved his case.
No doubt one of the women is related to Duane, or
to someone in the Cooper case?

What a small world it is!

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I'll post the link to it when it comes out.

Why don't you post a link...or source...to prove that Adventure Books now owns the copyright to the pictures that were most likely taken before you or your associates were born.

Maybe you should contact your cheap working attorney and have him explain copyright law to you.

An explanation...or source...of how the pictures depict "paratrooper" training would be interesting to see, also.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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I'll post the link to it when it comes out.

Why don't you post a link...or source...to prove that Adventure Books now owns the copyright to the pictures that were most likely taken before you or your associates were born.

Maybe you should contact your cheap working attorney and have him explain copyright law to you.

An explanation...or source...of how the pictures depict "paratrooper" training would be interesting to see, also.

But the Adventire Books ammo box reads 9th
Company as per Blevin's advertisement.

Little Voice: "No it doesn't"@!

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Little Voice: "No it doesn't"@!

I agree.

But this does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_9th_Company

Maybe Blevins can explain the time line for when the American Airborne outfits transitioned from a letter, or phonetic, for company designation...such as "Foxtrot Company" to a number designation, like "9th Company".

I'm sure Matt can chime in and tell us when the 101st Airborne changed over. I can tell you it didn't happen during my time in the 82nd Airborne.

I can't imagine the Americans wanting to copy the Russians.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

[georger 244]

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Little Voice: "No it doesn't"@!

I agree.

But this does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_9th_Company

Maybe Blevins can explain the time line for when the American Airborne outfits transitioned from a letter, or phonetic, for company designation...such as "Foxtrot Company" to a number designation, like "9th Company".

I'm sure Matt can chime in and tell us when the 101st Airborne changed over. I can tell you it didn't happen during my time in the 82nd Airborne.

I can't imagine the Americans wanting to copy the Russians.

what next! ?