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mrshutter45 21
another blank post by Bob Knoss............could you "Poof" yourself?
Do you make a beeping noise when you back up?
Do you make a beeping noise when you back up?
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Jo's time line, and circumstantial evidence, is as strong as Robert's and his theory of KC.
And both theories show a small one or two perp operation that had nothing to do with a false flag operation (that did not exist and no trace of any sort can be found, which tells you it is all false).
But both theories lack that critical piece of evidence that make s it all come together.
I would still like to know the details of how the FBI ruled out some suspects like McCoy.
Matt
And both theories show a small one or two perp operation that had nothing to do with a false flag operation (that did not exist and no trace of any sort can be found, which tells you it is all false).
But both theories lack that critical piece of evidence that make s it all come together.
I would still like to know the details of how the FBI ruled out some suspects like McCoy.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
mrshutter45 21
I agree.
most of these suspects have similar evidence, I would like to know where KC got all of that money he had in his account, maybe it can be explained I don't know,
Duane seems to have been your average petty thief that was caught numerous times, I understand he might have roots in Washington, Oregon etc, millions have the same background.
Marla Cooper, says LD is the Hijacker
Bob Knoss says.......nothing of value
Jo claims Duane is Cooper
Robert Blevins believes KC is Cooper
Mayfield
Dayton
Gossett
That's just a few, god knows how many the FBI has on file with stories similar to the above. The FBI thinks Cooper didn't make it, while the ones above are mostly claiming a different story.
to the best of my knowledge I don't think one single suspect has enough evidence whats so ever to come close to claiming the name Dan Cooper, solid evidence is lacking in ever suspect, we need to put this person on the plane, possibly find something from the crime such as the note,chute,briefcase, clothing something that can place them at the scene, if Cooper did survive, then parts of the crime must of survived along with it.
Jo has been a trooper no doubt, but sadly over the span of trying to place him on the plane has not surfaced, I respect what she has done over this time span but she is still lacking any hard evidence.
The testing I'm doing now is in hopes of unlocking something but I won't know until everything is complete, nothing of real value can be discussed on here as long as you know who corrects everything said! like Sailshaw said, "we need to think outside the box" that is exactly what I am dong now, unfortunately this is no longer a place to uncover what I am trying to achieve. I would like to bring some on board who believes my testing can prove something or correct something. you don't know unless you try! 
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
This last weekend I went on a search trip with my Brother, we had to use 25 to 50 year old info, depending on the source. We found the item, after we stepped back wrote down all the info and saw a pattern, then we used a bit of modern science and bingo, found the item.
A few things we found out:
If it doesn't exist, you won't find it.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth.
Matt
A few things we found out:
If it doesn't exist, you won't find it.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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blues
jerry
blues
jerry
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And both theories show a small one or two perp operation
I wouldn't rule ralph hatlie, after all he was there back in the day.
blues
jerry
I wouldn't rule ralph hatlie, after all he was there back in the day.
blues
jerry
QuoteThis last weekend I went on a search trip with my Brother, we had to use 25 to 50 year old info, depending on the source. We found the item, after we stepped back wrote down all the info and saw a pattern, then we used a bit of modern science and bingo, found the item.
A few things we found out:
If it doesn't exist, you won't find it.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth.
Matt
Your post is a bit confusing, but basically realistic. Hope we all get to learn what you found regardless of if it has to do with Cooper or something else altogether.
Was the 24-50 yrs old information on line or in "other" forms of files?
What I have been looking for in WA, OR and ID is not online - why I REALLY need to get back to WA. Therefore old paper trails are hard to follow and unless you live in the area, but some are completely destroyed by flood, fire or other means.
Archived newpapers are one source and archived records in small towns (they never put it all on a computer or copied it). If the information was considered trivial and not of historic significance and over so many yrs old and regarded only a minor offense, it is sometimes lost forever.
Historian go back and research old archived papers when they are available and they know what paper the article was in. Most resources in the 40's to the 70's only microfished articles of interest and only a few actually kept archived newpapers in a warehouse. Often the warehouse caught fire or flooded and the papers destroyed. A lot of history is lost in this manner.
Glad you were able to accomplish your goal - Cooper related or personal or just business.
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QuoteThis last weekend I went on a search trip with my Brother, we had to use 25 to 50 year old info, depending on the source. We found the item, after we stepped back wrote down all the info and saw a pattern, then we used a bit of modern science and bingo, found the item.
A few things we found out:
If it doesn't exist, you won't find it.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth.
Matt
Its a miracle. I did the same thing!
Great minds think alike.
A few things we found out:
Knee bone IS connected to the thy bone!
Shoombah is related to Koombaiyah!
In comes Out!
Up is Down!
And last but not least: McCoy slew Cooper with the
jawbone of an ass. The ass belonged to Jo Weber!
This is the secret Knoss has. I better include
Kaye so the word pops up on his screen. Now I
have. Bye.
That was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
BobKnoss 0
QuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
_____________________________
Hardly. I can speel "thigh."
_____________________________
"If it doesn't exist, you won't find it. YOU may not find it if it DOES exist.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth. Yes, it can, it's called deductive reasoning.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth." Yes, it can, it's called a parable.
_____________________________
If it is truth, it will survive repudiation.
If it is from a predjudiced mind, it is biased.
If it is from ignorance, it is ignorance.
If it is from a Government employee, it is worthless.
Truth is the best policy. Truth talks, bullshit walks. I'm talkin'.
If it is from a flawed or made up memory, Blevins wrote it.
If it sucks past 40 knots over 110° F, Matt was there.
The less you know, the more you blow.
QuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
_____________________________
Hardly. I can speel "thigh."
Which rhymes with:
"A guy, who can lie"
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
BobKnoss 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
_____________________________
Hardly. I can speel "thigh."
Which rhymes with:
"A guy, who can lie"
Matt
__________________
Pablum stuff again! Could, but won't. Too important to play the games you play. Grow up and take responsibility.
mrshutter45 21
If it is truth, it will survive repudiation.....you have no rep, only a story teller
If it is from a predjudiced mind, it is biased.....we are still trying to figure out if you have a "mind"
If it is from ignorance, it is ignorance......your middle name
If it is from a Government employee, it is worthless.....you were kind of a Gov employee in your theory?
Truth is the best policy. Truth talks, bullshit walks. I'm talkin'......you feet must be killing you!
If it is from a flawed or made up memory, Bob wrote it.
If it sucks past 40 knots over 110° F, Matt was there.
The less you know, the more you blow......you are nothing but dust in the wind!
If it is from a predjudiced mind, it is biased.....we are still trying to figure out if you have a "mind"
If it is from ignorance, it is ignorance......your middle name
If it is from a Government employee, it is worthless.....you were kind of a Gov employee in your theory?
Truth is the best policy. Truth talks, bullshit walks. I'm talkin'......you feet must be killing you!
If it is from a flawed or made up memory, Bob wrote it.
If it sucks past 40 knots over 110° F, Matt was there.
The less you know, the more you blow......you are nothing but dust in the wind!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
mrshutter45 21
Hey Bob, can you call up your College buddy Dave Haapala, I'm lost in the everglades, my GPS went down see if he can pick up my signal on my CB? if it worked from 500 miles in 71, he should be able to zero in on me?
holding the mic and waiting for your response sir!
holding the mic and waiting for your response sir!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
georger 244
QuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
or, you could get a life.
QuoteAnd both theories show a small one or two perp operation
I wouldn't rule ralph hatlie, after all he was there back in the day.
blues
jerry
That is NOT how you spell Ralph's last name!
I called JT tonight - he must have been drinking. I wanted to know what happened to his claim to have contacted the FBI about a Polygraph. He claimed I never agreed to do one - and I did.
He starts in with stating I did not agree to do one and if I was going to answer the questions correctly.
He was specific about how I was I going to answer the one about Duane throwing money off a bridge. As I told him I never said Duane threw money off a bridge. If I did it would have been in theory AFTER the fact. In 1979 - Cooper was mentioned ONE time on that trip. Money was NOT discussed until I he said we were going to Tahoe and I wanted to know if we could afford it.
I hung up on JT!
1. Duane threw a paper sack into the Columbia behind the Red Lion in Vancouver. I have never claimed to have had knowledge Duane threw "money" into the river. If I had known there was money in the sack in 1979 when we were in WA - does not one think I would have been puzzled by that? I theorized there was money in it because of the money find. A find I knew little about - because I did NOT get to read the news article in 1980 - he took it with him that morning.
2. A bridge JT denied I had never been on was off of I-5 that went over to Oregon. He knew I didn't know "shit" about WA in 1998 when he was talking to me and I had NO maps of the area.
I mentioned Duane throwing something out of the car crossing the bridge. I asked Duane what he threw out. I do not remember his reply - but the packet was the size of a Hershey candy bar. In the 4 yrs JT got into my head - I had to accept what he said...until 2001 when a production crew took me to WA. They drove fast and took me every which way, but right. The guy who was the guide was a college student who had only been in the area for 2 yrs. It was after the 2001 trip - I acquired
My trip in 2010 was a learning curve - my mind had NOT accounted for time and space in my memories. My memories was trying to compact the space.
3. In 2010 I found the damn bridge and it was off of I-5 before we got to Vancouver. When I crossed the bridge in 2010 being behind the wheel of a car - I knew I had been there. I remembered the large area on my left after getting across the bridge and the store that was there...and we drove on down the Oregon side to a couple of small towns and then we went back the way we had come - this is when we stopped at a convenience store to relieve ourselves. Whatever he threw out at that time was going back to I-5 in WA.
4. JT argued with me about this from 1997 to 1998. I did NOT understand time and space in relation to memories. After I found it all by myself in 2010 and made a venture to that little town where Duane had taken me. The old antique store was still there in 2010. It had been taken over by a new owner and I tried to find the prior owners daughter.
Duane ahd told me he used to know the woman who owned the store.
5. I would then find out this was the same town the "boys" had been from. The town where Cooper's Garage was located. The son's of the owner were among the very 1st investigated by the FBI. They were jumpers and their name was Cooper.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
_____________________________
Hardly. I can speel "thigh."
Which rhymes with:
"A guy, who can lie"
Matt
__________________
Pablum stuff again! Could, but won't. Too important to play the games you play. Grow up and take responsibility.
Says the man who constantly spins a fable this thread.
All of your none-evidence has been debunked, all of your personal recollections proven false, all of your direct association proven to be not. Yet you persist.
Your world must be a lonely place. Sad you would stoop to such immature and childishness, from a man of your age.
You are right, you should grow up and take responsibility, apologize for the hurt you've caused Jo, and to those you have slandered here as well as the pages your now banned from.
Then step out and enjoy the sunset, away from here.
Or if you're actually still believing this fable of yours, blow the whistle! Or forever be thought of as a coward and accomplice, guilty of fraud and by your own admission a felony.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
QuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
_____________________________
Hardly. I can speel "thigh."
_____________________________
"If it doesn't exist, you won't find it. YOU may not find it if it DOES exist.
If it is not fact, it won't lead you to the truth. Yes, it can, it's called deductive reasoning.
If it is from a flawed, or made up memory, it will lead you from the truth." Yes, it can, it's called a parable.
_____________________________
If it is truth, it will survive repudiation.
If it is from a predjudiced mind, it is biased.
If it is from ignorance, it is ignorance.
If it is from a Government employee, it is worthless.
Truth is the best policy. Truth talks, bullshit walks. I'm talkin'.
If it is from a flawed or made up memory, Blevins wrote it.
If it sucks past 40 knots over 110° F, Matt was there.
The less you know, the more you blow.
You did it again Babbler, you edited a quoted post, with more BS too.
And you're "talking" is not truth, every one knows that, even you.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
QuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
or, you could get a life.
Such whit!
But you're the one lampooning every one with your posts, bashing BK makes sense, it is all crap from him, but the other post your making lately?
That is beneath you, stay above board sir, it is easy.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
Matts Repy to BK:
Quote
Says the man who constantly spins a fable this thread.
All of your none-evidence has been debunked, all of your personal recollections proven false, all of your direct association proven to be not. Yet you persist.
Your world must be a lonely place. Sad you would stoop to such immature and childishness, from a man of your age.
You are right, you should grow up and take responsibility, apologize for the hurt you've caused Jo, and to those you have slandered here as well as the pages your now banned from.
Then step out and enjoy the sunset, away from here.
Or if you're actually still believing this fable of yours, blow the whistle! Or forever be thought of as a coward and accomplice, guilty of fraud and by your own admission a felony.
Matt
Lots of GOOD people along this well traveled road and my journey is coming to an end. Will I regret the roads I have traveled and be able justify the yrs I dedicated to this? I gave it all I had and fought a lot of battles.
Hanging up on JT was a GOOD thing!
George Nuttell is nice, but he is convinced Cooper died. He has ignored all the research placed in front of him. He claims Cooper perished and he could not have survived the winds and extreme cold.
Ralph Himmelsbach no longer has much to say about Cooper. His journey has been a long one and like myself probably won't be around for the ending.
Doug Pasternack who first helped me to take the story public even though I resisted until the FBI agent started claiming things not to be true - that had been documented.
Two special guys (whose names I cannot make public) gave me support through out the last few yrs - they researched what I could not and stood by me. Good friends like that who never stopped believing in me - what can you say!
My 2 best female friends - who were friends before they knew anything about Cooper - never lost faith in me and never doubted the things I said....each wanted me to move on with my life, but supported me because they knew who and what I was and that I was NOT doing this for any purpose other than to find the truth.
I must not forget those who have passed along since the begining - they need to be remembered for their support.
Jim (Duane's best friend in the end) stood by me until he died...he also took with him some secrets.
C.C. (Duane's old friend) and his wonder wife for being there for me when I needed to be reassured. They could not believe their old friend could have spent 17 yrs in several prisons, but knew he had some secrets in his life.
Duane's brother and his sister who provided me with as much background as they could, but wanted the past to stay in the past. The sister was adamant about this.
The ex-wife and some of her family who finally opened up to me after they felt the FBI had gone away and told me things about Duane and their stories and relationships with him. Some of these stories were painful for them to share with me. I will remember them and honor them forever.
Max Gunther for his support and help and his friendship.
Another writer who believed Coffelt was Cooper - his age like my own caused him to have to shelve his book but not his beliefs. He was still alive a few months ago...he and I discussed both subjects, but never one time did we ever call the other a liar or have words. We tried to learn from each other and both believe our subject was Cooper.
There were sneaky snakes in the grass along the way. Those who would take my words and my story and make it part of their own story about their own suspect, but NO need to mention them as it may end up one of their subjects was Cooper or involved in the Caper. We shared ideas - and leave it at that.
There were those who wanted to profit off of the truths (whatever those turn out to be) - those I scorned! There were those who used information I provide for profit and then twisted or misunderstood what I was trying to say in the first place.
ALL of you guys in this thread who have been a great source of information for me and any other individual who wanted to ACTUALLY research the crime and the mechanics of the crime.
Was it possible to survive? A question only REAL jumpers could answer along with all of the weather and aviation data provided by other posters with expertise in those areas.
I really hope I haven't left anyone out other than my family and they know how much I appreciate their support and wanting me to move on with what is left of my life - but, I couldn't and now it being taken out of my hands.
Geeze this is a long long post.
I am not going to do a Blevins on you and say I am leaving. I will be here as long as I can stay or the FBI proves who Cooper was. The reason I am doing this is because we never know when it is going to end.
1.The DZ could decide to end the thread.
2. The FBI will announce who Cooper really was.
3. The government (if there are any secrets to hide) may decide to make them public.
4. Cooper's remains are found.
5. Someone actually discovers who Cooper was besides the FBI.
Wish someone could come up with some explanations about what I knew and what I found regarding Weber - that actually made sense (along with some proof), but until one of the above happens and as long as I am still living I will be looking for the truth until I am no longer able to do so mentally and physically.
Never say Good Bye, just Good night or See'ya in the morning and never forget to say "I love you" and in this case "I love you all except JT".
I guess I said a lot more than WOW!
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QuoteQuoteQuoteThat was pointless, again.
More and more, You're as bad as BK.
Matt
or, you could get a life.
Such whit!
But you're the one lampooning every one with your posts, bashing BK makes sense, it is all crap from him, but the other post your making lately?
That is beneath you, stay above board sir, it is easy.
Matt
Daily exchanges wth Knoss is like talking to
Frances the Talking Mule.
What can be accomplished?
Better you should talk into a paper oatmeal tube
and hope it comes out on some alien's IPod
somewhere in the Andromeda Galaxy.
You dont even a have string between your oatmeal
can and Knoss'!
Call Seth Shostak if ever get an answer -
http://www.seti.org/
How many light years does it take to figure out
Knoss is not worth talking to?
Nonesense. He is no more a deterent to the FBi or anyone else than a rainbow in Spain. What you dont like is having to share media space here with him.
Pretty pathetic on all accounts.
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I have only ONE interest and that is that only the real facts be told. Truth is my ONLY policy. I may not know every minor detail about this case, but I GUARANTEE I know more than 99% of you. If you know more, you were part of it. I definitely know more than enough to spot the phony baloney and see who the people are who intentionally picking and choosing the original "factory produced FBI/FAA cover-up disinformation." Then there is the new fabrications group, who create "band-aide patch and repair stories" to fix leaks or failures in the dikes. Like the turkey gravy DNA on the tie does not match any witnesses..... so there is no reason to test it. Or, "Damned if we didn't misplace half of the evidence in the Cooper box!!!" "Poof!!" "Records? What records?" "Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--Poof--" "You mean THESE pictures of McCoy?" (None of which are the same guy.) Our 5th grade class play had more sincere performances. Better story line too.
Quit being a fart in the wind, Georger! Just drop a little one and tell Jo she's, "right, everybody knows it was Weber who jumped from 305. We just can't admit it. We're just keeping you quietly contained." No big deal, Jerry.