DB Cooper

[Amazon 7]

Did you get that GEICO Insurance yet??

[mrshutter45 21]

Read Carefully: explain your map that you made.
Explain why you will not show your Newspapers. (Dog, mice etc ate it is a school boys excuse)
Explain why you will not simply go to the Police station yourself to PROVE your story? (your story, your area, your job)
Explain why you don't show your "Draft/Exam" papers.

These are all valid points to your story, not misdirected or "not relevant" points, I'll tell you why you will not show them, it's simple, it's all in your head!

Someone will be coming on here to ask you a few questions, that's right up your alley, you know the ones you can't back up, those type of questions, any how get ready "Whistleblower!"

P.S. I already called the Police station and know the answer!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BobKnoss 0]

Hey, guys! I'm not your Huckleberry! You whitewash your own frickin' fence. My facts are just fine with me. I'm not going to hand over evidence to forgers, liars, fabricators, cover-up artists or the like. You don't want the truth anyway, so why kick up a phony fuss about what you really don't want to hear in the first place? So you can fabricate more trash? Change more information? I'll keep my paperwork for a while longer. Someone will talk about what really happened. Then you can bring up your arguments all over again, and I'll have the, "I told you so." I will never give in to lies, not when I lived the truth.

[matthewcline 0]

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Hey, guys! I'm not your Huckleberry! You whitewash your own frickin' fence. My facts are just fine with me. I'm not going to hand over evidence to forgers, liars, fabricators, cover-up artists or the like. You don't want the truth anyway, so why kick up a phony fuss about what you really don't want to hear in the first place? So you can fabricate more trash? Change more information? I'll keep my paperwork for a while longer. Someone will talk about what really happened. Then you can bring up your arguments all over again, and I'll have the, "I told you so." I will never give in to lies, not when I lived the truth.

Lemme translate for the new comers: "I Bob Knoss, Have NO evidence backing up my story. And any forgeries I have tried to pass off have all been proven as such, forgeries. I am not now, or have I ever been, part of the small party hijacking committed by an Individual called "D.B. Cooper" , but I enjoy telling fables and this is the only web sight I have not been banned fro yet. Thank You, Bob Knoss"

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

Catch Bob in his upcoming movie "Natural Born Liar"


Bob, it's a very bad sign when you have to constantly try and say you are truthful without anything to back it up!

I don't care if your Elmer Fudd, you lied about your map, you lied about your Induction/Draft you lied and tried using College friends, you can't even admit something right in front of you, TOG was Bill Rataczak said Bob Knoss, screen shot and all, you never asked Quade anything other than asking for it to be removed, you don't want to show your "evidence" then you have no reason to be here, right?

what will you do once this gets out?, and it will, trust me!

“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” Bob forgets a lot!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

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So say hypothetically a Producer got the financials in order and the Studio backing, a Parachuting/Military SME, a Former FBI SA, a Director, a Audio tech, this whole thread and the previous one, all on board.

And this same Producer had the legal paperwork all ready to go, who is willing to go on record and tell there story to the world?

Who can prove and back their story, with facts and actual evidence, and is willing to go on record?

Matt

Matt, I for one would be willing to work with a REAL documentary group with investigators that will actually study the file of Duane L. Weber (individuals who actually find documents - like the ancestory program). I have most of them, but NOT all that is needed.

Individuals who do NOT take for granted what the FBI tells them, but research such things on their own. Such as it is documented the FBI claimed they used prints for Weber from the McNeil file (by an FBI agent in this thread)and yet, I can prove that in 2000 the FBI claimed Weber was NOT in McNeil...I got part of it on TAPE, but my memory doesn't let me remember how much and I am afraid to play those old tapes without an expert - placing them into a different medium...someone who knows what he is doing.

The purpose of this is to show the FBI did NOT sufficiently investigate Weber and made a lot of errors - What disqualifies him other than prints and DNA?
Can the FBI PROVE they have prints and DNA that they can positively prove belonged to Cooper?....The answer to that is NO.

Where was the dam tie for 4 days? Where are the minutes that show the tie was taken into evidence immediately after the crime? It was per rumor 4 DAYS later they claimed they had a tie that belonged to Cooper.

Cooper was known to take anything with him that he had touched. Books and matches.
The FBI never did ask Tina if Cooper continuely placed his hands in his jacket pocket or how he handled his smoke....and which hand he held it in.

The FBI should be able to produce a photo of how the money went out of the plane, but the man who delivered the "bag" to the plane is the one who might know the answer to that.

This FBI agent did NOT want to make "Cooper" mad by delivering it in a white bag..was my original thought.

Ask the co-pilot about the bag he claimed he saw. The co-pilot was as detailed as I was about it....and OUR descriptions matched.

Ask the Stewardess what the money was in when Cooper strapped it to himself? Note I said strapped it to himself not how it was delivered.

I could draw a picture of it, but have NOT found one that matched it exactly. Flight satchels are the closest I could find. Before I had looked for briefcases and bankbags and satchels...but, why would the money have been placed in a flight satchel?

Well, perhaps I and others know the answer to that one - it was the closest thing anyone had to a knapsack. It had straps and it was sturdy with a handle that would not fly open...it had loops on it so Cooper could secure it with the rope available to him from the extra chute.

Cooper did give Tina a look when the money bag was delivered - I have always had to guess what this "look" was all about. It was the reason I doubted the "satchel" story, but the co-pilot and the pilot and other members of the crew may have had a flight satchel! Perhaps the satchel belonged to someone else on that plane!

I had surmised perhaps the co-pilot saw it as it passed the door to the inside of the plane - but he did NOT say that. Yet, he and I both described the SAME bag.


I have black and white paper and computer journals since 2000. Prior to 2000 it is journals and notes and my work planners and old phone bills.

They might check out Tony Wong and Tommy Gunn - perhaps learn something about Weber in the process.

I have made some mistakes and have made assumptions, but do NOT have a problem facing anyone with what I have.

It is known by me the post was NOT directed at me - BUT, my answer is yes. I cannot and will not sign away rights as I took care of that yrs and yrs ago and my children retain the rights after my death....but, I am OPEN to a documentary without my giving up any of my rights.

This should be a group of people who would like to prove Weber was Cooper, but if in the process they PROVE he wasn't - that is OK.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

I keep wondering just how many documents, pictures, and witness testimony I have to present before the Seattle FBI finally pays a visit to Mr Geestman.

I'm going out on a limb here to give you my best guess: DAMAGE CONTROL, and to find out what they knew.

You flatter yourself with being ... important?

You now ask how many documents, pictures, and
witness testimony you have to muster and present
on Dropzone before the FBI will pay any attention to
you ?

My estimate is "14 trillion", so you have some ways
to go before you can even make the team. Your
estimated age by that time = 40,312.

Perhaps the FBI in 42,324AD can dig your corpse up
to see if you are making any progress.

Otherwise, play it again Sam, which you will.

How your and 377's Symposium planning going?

Anything new to 'sympose' ?

Any new songs of myrth and recreational value that
377 can chase down secretly to present at the next
Symposium on the Cooper Cult. ?

The only person in DAMAGE CONTROL is you!

[georger 244]

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'You flatter yourself with being ... important?'

I pretty much put you on my ignore list. Anyone who keeps attacking me personally while ignoring/refusing to look at the evidence isn't worth my time. You are not dealing in reality anymore regarding the Cooper case.

You're not going to find the answers on a forty-year-old necktie that's been handled by probably dozens of people. Or on a matchbook, or on a chute left behind on the aircraft. If it could have been solved that way, the FBI would have done it long ago. THIS is what will solve the case: Testimony (that can stand the light of day and be verified) by people who already know what happened, or at least a portion of what happened. Witnesses whose stories can be corroborated. Evidence that assists in finding the truth. Documents, photos, possibly a confession from at least one of the two people who know the truth about Christiansen.

I think you should go back to arguing the case with Knoss...

I don't think anyone's listening to you much anymore. It's obvious you have an agenda, and that agenda colors anything you say, because you have lost your objectivity.

I have no plans for a Cooper symposium. Said that months ago. And since you'll ignore this as well anyway, I'm going to present how I believe the hijacking was done, if in fact Geestman and Christiansen were the guilty parties, and this is only a portion of the evidence:

1) They planned it together over the summer of 1971 at Geestman's house, with an occasional meeting at KC's apartment in Sumner.

2) About six weeks prior to the hijacking, Geestman drives to Elma, WA and buys a station wagon, and than a trailer from a bank repo sale. Instead of taking them back to his house in Bonney Lake, he parks them on empty property in Oakville against his wife's wishes. (There WAS a shop on the property, but no house) The only time he uses them is the week of the hijacking. Later, he unloads them on someone who takes them to Arizona.

3) On the Monday or Tuesday before the hijacking, Geestman gets in his car at Bonney Lake, drives to Sumner, meets Kenny, and they drive to Portland.

4) Kenny buys the ticket, boards 305. You know the rest, up until the point of the actual jump.

5) Once on the ground, Kenny disconnects the harness and container from the chute. He buries the chute and keeps the container, transferring the cash into it. (He was a paratrooper, after all, and this was probably taught in training as a way to avoid detection) He changes clothes (paper bag) and makes his way out of the woods somewhere in the Lake Merwin/Ariel area.

6) As soon as he reaches the nearest pay phone, he calls Geestman. (I can't say whether Geestman had a phone at the shop, but it's possible he had one installed pre-hijacking. It would be a smart move.)

7) They meet somewhere, drive back to Sumner. Not right away. (Geestman's wife says that her husband didn't return until the following Monday or Tuesday after the hijacking, which might be the purpose of the trailer and wagon.) Kenny is dropped at the apartment and lays low for a while. He returns to work after the holiday. He says nothing to his co-workers about the Cooper hijacking, even though all of them are abuzz about it.

8) Sometime between the hijacking and Christmas 71, 'The Picture' is taken. Either it's a self-portrait or taken by Geestman. Picture found in 1994 by Kenny's family behind another photo in an album after his death.

9) Six weeks after the hijacking, Helen Jones sees Kenny at the Sumner Laundromat. (Her testimony) She asks Kenny why he missed the Thanksgiving dinner and he says he was with Geestman but doesn't give details.

10) April, 1972: It's been five months since the hijacking and most NW banks have given up the search for the ransom money. Geestman approaches Kenny about a $5,000 loan to his sister Dawn so she can buy her own place in Buckley. At that time, Dawn was living at Bernie's house with her four children and recently divorced in Minnesota. (She had moved to Washington after the divorce and moved in with the Geestman's.)

11) Kenny provides the money and Geestman delivers it. (Later, he says he had nothing to do with the loan, but his sister and her family say otherwise) Dawn is given four or five years to repay, but pays it back in two.

12) July 1972: Christiansen purchases a fix-up house in Bonney Lake for cash from Joe and Ann Grimes of Puyallup, WA. In October, he also buys the adjoining lot from the same couple. (Geestman later denies having anything to do with that, although he served at the Grimes' wedding as the Best Man) At this point, Christiansen has now gone through four times his yearly income in cash within 8 months after the hijacking.

14) Within weeks of moving into the Bonney Lake house, Christiansen replaces the old countertops. He uses a piece of the leftovers to build a hiding spot in the attic - which is not accessible from inside the house and where entry can only be gained by using a ladder and removing a screwed-in attic vent on one side of the house. It is covered in insulation and isn't discovered until 2010 by History Channel.

15) Christiansen begins to order gold coins, stamp proofs, and other similar items through the mail. But instead of using his PO box in Bonney Lake, he uses his old one down in Sumner. (This goes on for years. When he dies in 1994, the estimated value is between $300,000 and $400,000. His final bank statements show a balance of over $200,000 in cash in checking and savings acct's at the West One Bank in Sumner.) Some of this wealth is attributed to land purchases and timber sales done by Christiansen, but ALL of them are AFTER the hijacking. Before the hijacking, he was taking home less than six hundred a month.

16) After his death in 1994, the house is left to Robin and Carolyn Powell and the adjoining lot to Brian MacWilliams. Brian sells off the trees for cash (leaving a big pile of stumps) and then the lot itself. He moves away and is later interviewed by Geoff Gray. The Powells sell the house, move to Nevada, and are later divorced. In 2011, Carolyn Powell, (now Carolyn Tyner, the wife of an active duty police officer from Boulder, CO) says that the story of a plastic bag full of twenties found in the remaining stumps is true. Dan Rattenbury, present owner of the house, has verified this story and did not know Tyner.

17) In 2010, Geestman's sister says in an interview that she and some of her friends had suspected Christiansen was the hijacker from the start. She also ID'd the tie tack as one she had seen Kenny wear on occasion, and mentioned he owned a toupee but only wore it socially - never on the job. She also says she never saw him wear it again after the date of the hijacking. An article in a May '72 issue of the Bremerton Sun claims the Seattle FBI believed Cooper was bald, and they investigated local wig and toupee shops. When they came up with nothing, they moved on.

18) In 2010, after being contacted by the History Channel, Geestman claims he hardly knew Christiansen and thought he was a dishwasher. Execs from History Channel soon disproved his claim. When he appeared on Decoded, he said he was lifelong friends with Kenny and was at his deathbed. He also claimed he was gone for months to sea at the time of the hijacking. (Since discounted by Foss Tugs) He also tells Decoded that yes, Kenny could be the hijacker.

There is more, but those are the basics. That stuff is called 'evidence,' especially when you can back it up with living witnesses, documents, and evidentiary pictures. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. Your attack-dog agenda won't make it go away, no matter how hard you try.

WAS Kenny the hijacker? DID Geestman help him pull it off? I don't know for sure, but there's a fair amount of evidence favoring it. Geestman made a big mistake by telling History Channel that Kenny could be the hijacker...because solid witnesses place him WITH Kenny, and MISSING at the time of the hijacking. You can try and refute all of that with a flippant comment, but remember this: I was NOT the first person to suspect Christiansen was the hijacker. Unlike Geoff Gray, I am FROM the Northwest and I was able to interview the people who actually knew Christiansen. And if they tried to lie to me, you know I was going to check out their stories.

I am a big believer in VERIFICATION. Everything I know about extracting the truth from people I learned by reading
All The President's Men.

Trust me, I didn't just fall off the apple cart.

total gobble wobble. Olympic grade FUNNY!

Its quite obvious nothing you say has any merit
and just like Knoss and Weber you will never stop
your self infatuation, so Play it again 400 more
times. Maybe it will stick on the wall and become a
fossil you can then claim is Life on Mars!

It really is funny at this point!

But 377 supports you! (and the yellow winged snail
snake, which is poisonous too.)

[edit] This trully is the funniest damned thing you
have ever written at Dropzone. You might get the
lock off your straight jacket and a free case of beer
for this one! CONGRATS! fIVE Stars

[BobKnoss 0]

"I could draw a picture of it, but have NOT found one that matched it exactly. Flight satchels are the closest I could find. Before I had looked for briefcases and bankbags and satchels...but, why would the money have been placed in a flight satchel?"

I politely gave you information on the origin of the "satchel" passed on to me from a Northwest pilot. I have no reason to doubt it. You have no real interest in the truth or you would have made a simple call to verify the story and talk to the owner of the item yourself. It is of no probative value anyway, only more indirect validation of the conspiracy. Twinkletoes and the Pablum Kid, the pretend SA's, would be happy to bury it for you. Real facts must irritate them since they never want to go there.

And I understood it was Tina that brought the money on board, not a man. It was an FBI guy that brought it aboard for Mac, identified because he forgot to change his wing-tips!

[BobKnoss 0]

"Trust me, I didn't just fall off the apple cart."

We trust you, Robert. Nobody would trust you on their apple cart. You may have been propelled by a mechanical farm cart used to spread nutrients on the field, however. How can you keep a straight face while repeating this KC farce? Nobody is listening, nobody bought into the story. You really can't seriously swallow any of that, can you? You have no evidence that holds water, nothing that wouldn't be thrown out as pure speculation. I can see how innocent people get railroaded into prison for things they never did. And vise-versa. This place is a colorful parade of what we should not be all about. But we are.

[BobKnoss 0]

""I Bob Knoss, Have NO evidence backing up my story. And any forgeries I have tried to pass off have all been proven as such, forgeries. I am not now, or have I ever been, part of the small party hijacking committed by an Individual called "D.B. Cooper" , but I enjoy telling fables and this is the only web sight I have not been banned fro yet. Thank You, Bob Knoss"
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"There you go again!" --Ronald Reagan

Proof the forger, Matthew Cline, is still forging false statements to suit his own purpose. Obviously, I did not say that, everything he stated is a falsehood, as are most of the things he posts. He probably writes that Regina crap, too. Him 'n Bleep?

[mrshutter45 21]

everything Matt said is true! why? because he says so! sound familiar truth seeker?

explain your map please?
explain how you calculated 10-15 miles west from the FBI flight path?

"He probably writes that Regina crap, too. Him 'n Bleep?"
that's the one you got busted on, was it not?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[matthewcline 0]

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""I Bob Knoss, Have NO evidence backing up my story. And any forgeries I have tried to pass off have all been proven as such, forgeries. I am not now, or have I ever been, part of the small party hijacking committed by an Individual called "D.B. Cooper" , but I enjoy telling fables and this is the only web sight I have not been banned fro yet. Thank You, Bob Knoss"
_____________________________________________

"There you go again!" --Ronald Reagan

Proof the forger, Matthew Cline, is still forging false statements to suit his own purpose. Obviously, I did not say that, everything he stated is a falsehood, as are most of the things he posts. He probably writes that Regina crap, too. Him 'n Bleep?

In your editing of the quote you forgot "Lemme translate...". Makes perfect sense when you know what it is.

No Forger, that would be a lie.

The IP address was traced, kind of hard to deny it.

On a side note FB did admit who it was who made daily complaints about posts. Are they part of the "cover up crew" too BK?

It would be nice if you could act your age and be mature about this. You have been caught numerous times not telling the truth. yet you persist. You wont offer ANY proof and when challenged say it is other responsibility to prove your right, even tough you have been proven wrong over rand over.

So, offer proof, or go, poof.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[skyjack71 0]

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"I could draw a picture of it, but have NOT found one that matched it exactly. Flight satchels are the closest I could find. Before I had looked for briefcases and bankbags and satchels...but, why would the money have been placed in a flight satchel?"

I politely gave you information on the origin of the "satchel" passed on to me from a Northwest pilot. I have no reason to doubt it. You have no real interest in the truth or you would have made a simple call to verify the story and talk to the owner of the item yourself. It is of no probative value anyway, only more indirect validation of the conspiracy. Twinkletoes and the Pablum Kid, the pretend SA's, would be happy to bury it for you. Real facts must irritate them since they never want to go there.

And I understood it was Tina that brought the money on board, not a man. It was an FBI guy that brought it aboard for Mac, identified because he forgot to change his wing-tips!

You have absolutely NO credibility! I have spoke of a SATCHEL since 1996 in my discussions with Himmelsbach and the FBI and OTHERS. I had described it many many times.

I was talking SATCHEL for a long time before you ever came into the picture! Yes, because I mentioned SATCHEL in the thread you did SUGGEST I look at Flight Satchels (that much I will give you credit for, but NOT CREDIBLITY). IT is the only thing you have been on target with and it was a lucky guess. I had NO idea there was such a thing as Flight Satchels.

Major SCREW-up. I never said a man took the money onto the plane. It was a man (he has been named in the past) who took the money OUT to the plane AFTER it arrived at the airport and Tina retrieved it from the bottom of the Stairs!

This is just a SAMPLE of how you SCREW everything up.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

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Knoss: Regina traced at least one of the phony posts to you by tracking your IP address. That's why she gave you that warning. If you think she's lying, take it up with her.

You'll know if any posts to that article by me are real because my name actually LINKS to something on those posts. In any case, I haven't checked that article in months because it's no longer valid. So many people have posted up garbage there under phony names (sometimes using other peoples' usernames from DZ) that it no longer has any credibility.

Georger can say whatever he wishes about the KC evidence. Yeah...I just made it all up,

Regina who? who cares besides you!?

The problem with your KC evidence is what you
make of it. Numerous people here have pointed
that out to you. After years you still refuse to
address what people are saying, saying crap like you
just said above. Personally? I think you are too
damned stupid and lazy to know the difference or
care. This is just a game you play with the world.

Play it again, Sam. You will. It's all you can do.

[skyjack71 0]

I had a series of phone conversations with the ex-wife who the FBI had already interviewed and had scared her to death. They did NOT offer her any kind of immunity for any involvement she might have had before or after the fact. They scared the "shit" out of her. If they were on a fact finding trip - they didn't even know the right questions to ask. They should have been terribly suspicious of some activities that occurred before the interview - this incident and the timing of it should have been reason for them to have been cautious in how they approached her. The FBI did discuss this with me AFTER the fact.


It took months before she would talk to me. Finally I broke the barrier and when she talked she talked --- she would call me after she had pulled far too many tabs. I would call her back because I knew she could not afford a large long distance bill.

What I am about to relay is in pieces and notes and I do not remember the sequences but the summary was done in August of 2000. NOTE none of this is in order as per my statement above. She was all over the place in her conversation.


1. She tells me they got married in St. Louis (I had been led to believe it was a common law marriage)...so not sure she was telling the truth. Remember she claimed NOT to know he was Duane Weber, but John Collins.

2. She mentions Duane getting arrested in Underground Atlanta and being taken to the hosp by ambulance (broken ribs). I suppose the FBI never checked this out. (do not know the yr.)

3. She jumps back to St. Louis and states they went to Wichita, Kn to learn maintence and switch board operations. (Note: Watch BK jump on this one!)

4. She mentions they were sent to Detroit, but could not remember the name of the hotel, but remarked it was in a bad part of town.

5. She would go to the bar at the hotel, but Duane would be gone for a day or two at a time. She was afraid to venture too far from the location.

6. One day he comes back from a trip out and announces they are leaving. They go back to St. Louis for a few days and then to New York and then to Chicago for 3 days. She said they stayed near an Artist School on Lake Michigan. This was the only time she was in Michigan and they traveled by train.

7. She mentions Duane working for Pyramid Life insurance Co. in St. Louis (note this company would NOT talk to me about Duane Weber or John Collins and the FBI did NOT contact them).

8. Some how he acquires monies for a car.

9. She mentions the heat being on and they head to CA. - no time frame. They stayed in Arcadia, CA and soon head back east to Cleveland, Oh. (Duane had family in Arcadia, but I would not know this until later and just caught this from my old notes on this day in August 2012). That is how many yrs since I have looked at this old stuff? My notes of conversations with her.

10. She tells me that when they return to OHIO she started to use her REAL NAME and SS#. Wow, I had forgot this also. She had to have known he was an ex-con - otherwise why would a woman agree to run all across the country and pretend to be someone else!

11. She continues to jump back and forth in time. She mentions that he went to work at the Muelbach after prison. This corresponds with record I found from the old tax forms.

12. From there they go to CO where she had family and I have told this part of the story before.
When the FBI came knocking on the door of her relatives looking for him they fled to N.Orleans. This is AFTER he was released from Jefferson as John Collins.

13. A trip to Scottsdale,Arizona and CA and WA is mentioned during this time frame. It gets all fuzzy - I think she is jumping back to before he went to prison, (1962 to 1966), but my memory nor my notes manage to organize their life together. She had lost custody of her kids until 1967 or 1968 so I think she jumped back in time...rather difficult to do that kind of traveling with children.

14. Her story is scrambled - I think she is lieing to me. Such as she wrecked her car in Nov of 1971 and goes to Loraine, OH. She backs up and mentions they rented a house from a Pentecostal Preacher who traveled and it was fully funished(1969). Then she mentions they bought a Mobile Home in the same area. Duane has no credit - how did they buy a mobile home on a lot on Scott...the location they lived at when divorced in May of 1972.

15. She is scrambling - because then she mentions she goes back to him in Feb of 1972, but I am told by a second party on a later date that was not true. The FBI was having NONE of it.

16. She and Duane divorce in May of 1972 and he remarries in June of 1972. FAST work! He and his new wife purchase a new home after the new wife's home is destroyed by fire that same summer.

17. She then mentions Lyons movers pack and move her to CA. Where did the money come from?

18. Then she DROPS this one on me. Claimed that in 1977 Duane came to see her (I knew that because I put him on the plane - it was my idea), but what I didn't know was he helped her by a new car.

#20 - Just because?

The ONLY thing Tommy Gunn would tell me about his connection to Duane was that he met him in Chicago!


[RED]Also NOTE: I would not know until August of 2000 that Ralph Hope was NOT the agent of Record. I had spent 4 yrs telling my story to him and he was no longer assigned to the case.[/RED]

What the Hell!
It was Ralph Hope who told me Duane was NEVER in McNeil or the ARMY in March of 2000.

NOW DOES THIS START TO MAKE THE FBI LOOK BAD? Or is it just how I want to make it sound? I did NOT go back to my old records - and NOW realize a lot of what is here is VERY IMPORTANT and it appears the FBI really did drop the ball.

Hopefully one of you out there reading this really cares and knows that I do not lie - I may un-intentionally mix-up somethings, but I have been keeping this shit in my head for 17 yrs. Going back into the old files is actually making the FBI look really bad RIGHT NOW!

I will continue for as long as I can to revisit my old research and my journey on this thread. If anyone objects to that please speak up now. A lot of it is things I have already told you, but this is from journals kept by email on my computer - some of which have been lost forever except for the hard copies I am taking his information from. Maybe my computer crash in 2004 was intentional - you think.


Nah - just dumb old woman trying to learn new things out of necessity. At least now most of 2000 has been made public - at least what counts. It is 2 inches thick - so what I have recounted above is the highlights When I reach 2004 - I will stop because the rest of it is on disks and on paper or in this thread.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[hangdiver 1]

The Cooper curse

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
"Beware the Cooper curse, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought–
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Cooper curse, with eyes of flame,
Came wiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
"And hast thou slain the Cooper curse?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

An adaption of Jabberwocky

by Lewis Carrol

Just seemed appropriate


hangdiver

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[skyjack71 0]

Blevins take this in the manner it was intended: Having fun, but On the serious side until the FBI actually looks at KC as a suspect you have NOTHING.


1. The tie - probably did NOT belong to Cooper...that is the only possible answer - right!

2. Why didn't the FBI check the cut cords for DNA if they were SO sure they had Cooper's DNA?

3. Testimony (that can stand the light of day and be verified)!
Just exactly what would that be?
You mean statements made by you (Blevins) to others who were misguided by your greed and/or your questions and the answers.

4. NOT on of the stories supposedly told you to can be corroborated. You have NO confession or evidence.

5. Little boy playing games. You are having a symposium and then you aren't. You are the one who has lost your objectivity!

6. If the FBI had an inkling Geestman was involved they would have been all over it like bee's in defense of their hive.

7. The "plan" you put together does NOT hold water for 5 minutes. Believe me on this anything beyond 2 will not a secret keep...even then one will hold their breath at times...there is only one thing that will cause 2 people to keep a secret - LOVE until death do us part.


8. Perhaps Geestman was in cahoots with Weber. You know your story could back fire - Geestman and his wife may have known who Cooper was - Her riding those horses standing on their backs....exactly were all did this lady do this show. Perhaps SHE is the one with something to hide.

9. NO one could put all the dates together this many yrs later - believe me if anyone of those "witnesses" actually knew Cooper they would have gone public LONG LONG before Christiansen was ever presented as a suspect.

10. You go into such detail about the purchase of the ticket and stashing in the chute and making a phone call. You are just shooting into the dark.

11. No way to prove Kenny laid low or that he was even involved.
It has been explained to you over and over the money KC had was NOT extra-ordinary for a single man who liked to collect things.

12. The picture proves NOTHING.
Just a party gag thing if it was even that. Lots of people put pictures over pictures - I have some like that.


13. Geestman approaches Kenny about a $5,000 loan to his sister Dawn so she can buy her own place in Buckley. The only thing interesting about that is that she lived in Minnesota.
14. This GANG cannot even agree on who asked for the loan or remember transactions and dates.

15. A house purchased for Cash from Joe and Ann. Well did YOU check out this real estate transaction in the the county files? Puyallup - did Grimes own furniture store there?

16. Christiansen has now gone through four times his yearly income in cash within 8 months after the hijacking. ALL of which were investments that made him money! DID it ever enter you mind that Kenny had a retirement program or savings at work and because of the times decided he could make more money doing by doing his own thing.

17. Using old parts to fix something was just the thing of the day - and we have all tried to tell you what and why this was done. WE never saw the hinges in the pictures or how it opened.
Explain how he would even make something so inaccessible even to himself? He collected coins.

18. Using an address someplace else was just a matter of security and perhaps because he didn't want the coins sitting in a mailbox on the road. Was there a bank safety deposit in Bonney Lake. Probably was one in Sumner.

19. I am supported 2 kids and did ok on less than KC had coming in. KC was making more than Weber was making and he had benefits and no dependents.

20. If there was money in a stump on property owned by KC, what does it prove. Why is there NO news articles about this found money and if it was 20's you can bet it would have been NEWS after 1971. If it was 20's someone would have stood to have collected a reward and don't tell me the public wasn't looking for Cooper's stash? It meant rewards - you do know there was a reward offered? Finding a plastic bag of 20's would have been a BIG story and a BIG deal back then as it would be today.

21. The tie tac and the toupee story is for birds. NO one believes she remembers the Tie tac. YOU LED this old lady around like she had a ring in her nose.

22. After 38 yrs - ALL of these people supposedly kept ALL of these suspicions to themselves?

23. NONE of that is 'evidence' as you call it. NOT one thing have you found that will prove KC was Cooper. Now if Kenny ever used the name Dave and visited N.Orleans - You might get someones attention.

24. The FBI had a witness and perhaps someone who knew who Cooper was - and they had the paper trail - but they didn't see it.
That was provided on Weber - but did it prove he was Cooper.
The FBI just looked the other way. Now one of those 20's - that might have got their attention.

25. You got suckered! YOU have verified NOTHING. You can learn that from a "book" - good luck!

26. You are right you didn't just fall of the apple cart. That DAMN load of apples was rotten - that's why the driver got rid of them.

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[BobKnoss 0]

Knoss: Regina traced at least one of the phony posts to you by tracking your IP address. That's why she gave you that warning. If you think she's lying, take it up with her.'

_______________________________

Yes, I posted on there ONCE in reply to what I thought was a post by Gray, which turned out to be another fake. I apologized to Geoff. Everything else with my name attached was fake postings by some arse hole. I see no humor in those postings. Just more of the kind of attacks I see on here from certain people. Why does it have to be so vicious? This is 40 year old trivia, dead and almost buried. NOBODY ha proved a thing that I know about. Just a lot of semi-supported speculation and name calling. Everyone's sure they are right, but anyone with an opinion has to stand up and take eternal live fire for expressing it. Some can ignore the bullets, some call in coordinates for the 3000 pounders, but nobody surrenders. The intelligent ones just walk away. The civil just shake their heads. And Big Brother giggles at the verbal bloodbath in the plastic box with a window, as they alter the accumulation of 'facts'. It's a jungle in here. Ker-chang! Kapow! Ka-zing! Ka-woo-woo-woo. That's not what I said. Never mind. Duck anyway.

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Knoss: Regina traced at least one of the phony posts to you by tracking your IP address. That's why she gave you that warning. If you think she's lying, take it up with her.

You'll know if any posts to that article by me are real because my name actually LINKS to something on those posts. In any case, I haven't checked that article in months because it's no longer valid. So many people have posted up garbage there under phony names (sometimes using other peoples' usernames from DZ) that it no longer has any credibility.

Georger can say whatever he wishes about the KC evidence. Yeah...I just made it all up,

Regina who? who cares besides you!?

The problem with your KC evidence is what you
make of it. Numerous people here have pointed
that out to you. After years you still refuse to
address what people are saying, saying crap like you
just said above. Personally? I think you are too
damned stupid and lazy to know the difference or
care. This is just a game you play with the world.

Play it again, Sam. You will. It's all you can do.

Excuse me for living, but about Knoss, the warning, the deletion of one of his posts at Regina's article: This came to me via email w/Regina.

The only thing I 'make of' the evidence regarding Ken Christiansen is what is there, and what witnesses have said directly. Nothing more. There are the pictures, the documents, the witness testimony, and research. NONE of it can say beyond a reasonable doubt that Kenny was the hijacker. It is what it is, and I support its accuracy completely.

I am not the Seattle FBI. I'm just one guy who got roped into the investigation simply because I live in the Northwest. I did the best I could most of the time, and when I was wrong I admitted it.

What the heck could anyone else do in the same situation? Even though we had few resources, we opened our purses and put it on the line to try and discover the truth. History Channel thinks we're right, and so do I. Geestman is a liar and guilty as sin. You heard it here first. Now his sister's family is checking the whole thing out as well.

While some of you have been digging out the dirt between the roots of the trees in that forest, I have been on Rainier and looking at those same trees with binoculars. My advantage comes from never investigating Cooper before Porteous hounded me about it, but also having HIM to do the checking. This really works well if you know the proper questions to ask.
You think it's Gossett? Then dig up his duty records from the US Army the week of the hijacking on an FOIA filing. Is there an alibi here? Does anyone even know? Hello...he was active-duty military on 11/24/71/. Get real.

Weber? Put him in a parachute. Place him in the Northwest on 11/24/71 and I will listen. Otherwise, he's just a guy with a record who might resemble the sketch.

McCoy? It's possible, but none of the stews have come close to ID'ing him from the photos.

So, if not McCoy, Weber, or Gossett, it must be KC?
Is this what you are saying? How about the other
1056 on the list!? How about the the other un-
named and undiscovered to date?

In spite of your 'personal circumstances', which
nobody cares a whit about, in spite of your laying on
this forum like thick lard, you have failed to provide
one item of physiscal evidence that KC was DB
Cooper. Yours is all circumstantial and 'trust me', as
if we should loan you acclaim for having solved the
Cooper case, in lieu of your having done so - even
remotely! Failing to convince anyone to make you
that loan you then fall back on the further claim of
'popular opinion' saying we are all dolts and
ignorant making personal attack against you, and
this should get you special attention because you
are abused and some kind of victim! ???

This puts you squarely in the same catagory as
Myers-Dvorak, Weber, Knoss, and many others
maybe even including Mr. Cook (who you hate),
who literally come out of nowhere claiming some
primacy and special knowledge in the Cooper
case. "A legend in his own mind" aforethought!

Nobody cares about your personal circumstances.
Nobody has put KC on the plane including the
witnesses who were there. You have not discovered
and provided one item of physical evidence which
links KC to this crime. You claim a long list of
supporters but they havent even surfaced.

You are being ignored by just about everyone but
me, and even that will now apply -

Good luck with yourself, Mr. Blevins.

Get a life in the maldum fornax!

Have a Great Kah-Kah. And Auburn Daze. They want
you? They can keep you and see to your welfare.

Dont turn Auburn Washington into your personal
"Chernobyl gets my vote every time".

There is something wrong with you, Mr. Smartass.

The Sun doesn;t shine on the same dog's ass, the
whole day long.

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Georger: Give me a break. How many times do I have to tell you that the available evidence on Christiansen does NOT prove he was the hijacker. I am the only one saying this about a particular suspect. Jo will tell you she is sure Weber was Cooper. Galen Cook will tell you he is sure Gossett was Cooper. Knoss will tell you...um, on second thought let's not go there.

I think asking about the duty logs on the dates of the hijacking on Gossett is a legit question. He was active-duty military. Why is NOT this a legit question? And why hasn't Cook pursued it? Here's a suggetion for him:

Find out which unit Gossett served in at the time of the hijacking. Try to interview the guys who served most closely with him at Ft. Lewis...and then find out if Gossett was on-base on the date of the hijacking.

This is Investigation 101 stuff. First thing you do with a suspect is find out if they have an alibi. Cook should have done this FIRST THING. Well...here we are years later and he still hasn't done so. My thought is, maybe he doesn't WANT to know. (*laughs*) His entire theory would come crashing down if...

A) A couple of the men Gossett served with say he was on duty. (It's easy to get people from the Northwest to remember what they were doing and where they were on the day of the hijacking, kind of like St Helens blowing up)

B) Duty logs show that Gossett was on-base and on duty on 11/24/1971, or otherwise 'present and accounted for'.

Hmm...for a guy who 'ignores' me you sure re-post a lot of my posts, mostly followed by insults and stuff that makes not a whit of sense. And besides, if you aren't going to address any of the actual points I make in some of those posts...then WHY DO YOU KEEP REPOSTING THEM in their entirety? It's like the Twilight Zone with you. I have to wade through my last post (which everyone's seen already) just to reach your tasteless comments.

'Copy/Paste' I see it in your future. Quote button? I would lay off that one. You think?

Its all personal with you.

You are your own worst enemy.

Take your own socalled ADVICE, for A CHANGE!

[mrshutter45 21]

I'm still waiting on your logic to the 10-15 miles west of the FBI flight path?

would also like to know why you put everything on your map in different Counties, lakes etc etc?

I have provided the map you made so you can explain?

(see pic below )

you are only about truth, right?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

I hate all the repeat posting, but
below I am going to repeat parts of a post I made which was a summary of my conversations to that point in August of 2000 with Duane's ex-wife of the day. The conversations took place in 2000.

The reason I am doing this is I AM ASKING for HELP. I do not know how I can even acquire any information - unless the FBI or a retired FBI agent or a retired investigator who is willing to donate his time.

If anyone knows some way to acquire information on Duane Weber and John Collins during those yrs - please help.

I will just re-post the things most important to me and make them blue.




They did NOT offer her any kind of immunity for any involvement she might have had before or after the fact.

Before they went to see her it was found she had a FIRE in her shed after the FBI contacted her to arrange to meet with her. I have been told several stories about this. My first knowledge of this was from none other than an FBI agent. She was burning some things in the shed???? She even tried to blame it on one of the kids, but I was told later she did it herself. Was she buring evidence - or what!

She herself told me 2 different stories about this once I felt comfortable asking her about it as I felt I gained her confidence.


Will do another later right now there is storm - lots of electrical activity. Worst show of Mother Nature bang her pots and pans I have ever experienced.

Just correcting this post and will move on.

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[skyjack71 0]

1. She tells me they got married in St. Louis (I had been led to believe it was a common law marriage)...so not sure she was telling the truth. Remember she claimed NOT to know he was Duane Weber, but John Collins.

Question how do we find her marriage license? If there was one and what name was used by Duane at that time. He met her in 1962. If she lied about NOT knowing he was Duane L. Weber what else might she have lied about?

2. She mentions Duane getting arrested in Underground Atlanta and being taken to the hosp by ambulance (broken ribs). I suppose the FBI never checked this out. (do not know the yr.)

If this is true there should have been some kind of records the FBI could have checked. I have to assume this was between 1968 and 1972 because the kids were with them and I have the resident addresses on the tax forms. Wonder if the FBI was ever even told this or has any knowledge of it. There had to have been an arrest record? At one time I tried to check this but they gave me little information.


3. She jumps back to St. Louis and states they went to Wichita, Kn to learn maintence and switch board operations. She mentions they were sent to Detroit, but could not remember the name of the hotel, but remarked it was in a bad part of town and Duane would be gone a day or 2 at a time. She would not venture too far...from the location

This sounds like they were in some kind of program to learn about managing hotels or motels or work within the industry. There should be some kind of record.


4. One day he comes back from a trip out and announces they are leaving. They go back to St. Louis for a few days and then to New York and then to Chicago for 3 days. She said they stayed near an Artist School on Lake Michigan. This was the only time she was in Michigan and they traveled by train.

She was on a streak with this, but someone should be able to find out if there was an Artist School on Lake Michigan. Obviously the FBI did NOT question her about her also using aliases during the yrs the 2 of them spent together. I was NOT privey to that, yet I had asked them to allow me to go see her and for them to wire me, but they went on their own and it was a long time before I could get her to talk to me after that.


5. She mentions Duane working for Pyramid Life insurance Co. in St. Louis (note this company would NOT talk to me about Duane Weber or John Collins and the FBI did NOT contact them).

My ex-husband had been in the insurance business - and the offices keep old fliers, but the company would provide me with NO information (again I could NOT prove I was the wife of John Collins). John Collins was not licensed in either of the 2 states and I was able to check this out.

Per the ex - that is why they left because he got found out after several months of making good money, but supposedly he was taking company money. Seems like Pyramid would have a record of individuals they charged with taking monies? Why did the FBI NOT pursue this?


6.. She mentions the heat being on and they head to CA. - no time frame. They stayed in Arcadia, CA and soon head back east to Cleveland, Oh. (Duane had family in Arcadia, but I would not know this until later and just caught this from my old notes on this day in August 2012).

12 yrs since I revisited this as I am doing now. Sure makes one wonder what "investigation" the FBI actually did on Weber.


7. She tells me that when they return to OHIO she started to use her REAL NAME and SS#. Wow, I had forgot this also. She had to have known he was an ex-con - otherwise why would a woman agree to run all across the country and pretend to be someone else!

The children were living with their father. I don't remember if she old me where in Ohio. This would all be prior to his being arrested in 1966 and sent to Jefferson in MO. I assume the crime was committed in MO.

She did live in Jefferson while he was in prison and had the children with her part of this time.
This is the period of time she claimed to have known a woman connected to James Earl Ray who lived with her for a brief period of time. She couldn't stand the "smell" of the woman's cooking.

This was 1966 during the first few month Duane was at Jefferson as John Collins.

When Duane got caught in 1995 obtaining a drivers license for John Collins - he told me that he known James Earl Ray and his story matched her story.

Remember - 1995 was my first knowledge he spent time in a federal prison, but due to the circumstances the pshycologist must have told him to fess up...and he needed my support to explain WHY he tried to get a drivers license under John Collins.

I did NOT question him - I gave him space because the Dr. told me that is what I needed to do. Duane informed me he took funds from his employer - this made sense because he was doing debit insurance collections. Again I had NO KNOWLEDGE of his prior residency in other establishment.

The other time hementioned any kind of incarcerations was in 1978 when he had the night mare screaming "I left my prints on the Aft Stair - I'm going to die" A blood curdling scream. His explanation for aftstairs was what they call the steps in jail and admitted to having spent a couple of months in a county jail.

He KNEW if I found out he had been in prison it was over for him because of my background. I will never get rid of the gut feeling I have had since learning an alias he use was Collins. My maiden name was Collins. He did ask me a lot of question about my parents and their family. My Grandfathers name was John Collins. Believe me this was no ordinary man - but, now I realize he had the charm of a snake except it back fired on him. He actually fell in love with me and my family,

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[skyjack71 0]

Georger, I realize my story is repetitious and boring, because I feel the same way about Blevins story. He does take the attitude that he has proved Cooper was KC...and that is the end of the subject.

You sounded hesitant when you said "and many others maybe even including Mr. Cook". Why would Cook deserve any special consideration? His subject came as a phone call while Cook was on TV talking about Cooper.

Cook was in touch with me long long before that (I have a letter to prove it) and he enclosed a picture of "his" suspect. Do not know who the guy was, but I still have his letter and the picture. Cook wanted Tina's location and I said NO. (This was 2003 or 2004 without digging up the letter). Cook and I had some words! I will not make PEACE with plagurism or using someone elses' story.

You do know he would NOT have found Tina had it not been for my having a Weak Moment.
Remember back when Sluggo or someone published a name and other information about a man who was supposedly Tina's ex husband.

Then there was a supposed telephone interview.

WELL, WELL, I was laughing my pants off. I knew the name was not even correct. I just rode on the wave and tried to act interested - finally I told Cook after being hounded and hounded how to find Tina. I told him what county and what state she obtained her divorce in and bingo he was on top of it. If I had known he was going to use that information to hound her and take sneaky pictures of her, I would have taken it to my grave. He is an attorney and he couldn't find Tina! She was hiding in plane site! Cook promised he would NOT harass her - but he did his usual Sneaky Snake in the Grass business.

Never understood why it took people so long to find her. A news article way back when mentioned where she was living and what she did after her divorce. Did NOT take a ROCKET scientist. Of course I had an ANGEL on my shoulder so I can't take the credit for it.

Note: Cook has chased lots of subject previously for a long time before GOSSETT's son contacted Cook while he was on a Coast to Coast program talking about Cooper. I classify Cook with Blevins. They both try to force their subject into a mold as Cooper.

Did you know that Cook was talking to me long before that and that I am the ONE who had to CORRECT him on certain things? I kept the damn emails just so I would have proof.

Cook has not "discovered or provided one item of physical evidence which links Gossett to this crime". Excuse me for borrowing your phrase and changing one word to Gossett.

Cook likes to PLAY GAMES! If you don't know that about him by now you are a poor judge of character. Cook went so far as to fabricate an exchange between Gossett and a judge about leaving prints on the plane. Cook and I talked about this yrs and yrs ago and then he adapts it to his story. Not exactly the most scrupulous person in the world....ever known an attorney who was.

I think he is a Sneaky Snake in the Grass and before he was ever mentioned in this thread - I was calling him that from get go.
Cook RIDES the back of others and his story is weak.

As for JO's Story - I may never be able to prove Duane was Cooper, but what happened was real and I lived it. I cannot erase my past with Weber and I believe he was REALLY Cooper. I am not a writer trying to make someone Cooper. I actually lived with this man - if another person out there has lived with what I am living with - why didn't they come forward?

I have NOT taken a sequence of things and MADE them work like others have. What happened really happpened and that is 1st hand knowledge. NOT hearsay or she said this and he said this. It is all first person....I am not an investigator or a writer - just one woman trying to be heard.

Hard to believe the FBI missed so much - but it is obvious from what I and others have actually found. Makes the FBI really look bad and they don't like that.

I am going to make a statement that only you will get. Who was RobbieClampett?

I will say NO MORE than that in a public forum. You know how to reach me. I am FED-up w/the game.

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