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more pure conjecture ....
never stick to the evidence ... Tina said:

evidence only gets in the way of internet social
media.

Rev. Billy Bob RedButtVolHead sayz "hello!"



My post comes from 21 years of performing that
task, 4 years as a Master Trainer "Black Hat" in that
skill set.

Amazon, I guess it is contest between these two
now.

Matt



Matt the point is not what your experience is. The
point is what a witness said happened in the crime!

Your experience is one thing. Tina's testimony is
about what happened is another.

Hell, I have a ton of experience tying ropes on
animals and in barns! Does that mean Coooer did it
"my way"? Now you're sounding like Blevins! HE DID
IT --- MY WAY.

COOPER DID IT --- MY WAY!

There was a witness to what he did.

Shall we throw the witness out and say:

HE DID IT MATT'S WAY.

If you cant agree with that elementary distinction
then you need to be on Blevin's team! The Box of
Rocks Team.

"HE DID IT - - - MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAY"

The witness clearly says, 'HE DID NOT DO IT MATT'S
WAY, OR 377'S WAY, OR BLEVIN'S WAY, BUT HIS
WAY!"

This is really getting tiresome, for me. Let's just say
Cooper did it all of the different ways all of the
different socalled experts say he did it or had to do
it and get on with life, throw Geestman in jail to
vindicate you and Blevins, throw Sluggo and Galen
Cook in jail for being nice guys, hang Kaye from a
light pole, give Weber and Quade a Gold Medal,
and re-arrange the Periodic Table to suit MATT,
Blevins, and Jo Weber!?

Just tell how you want the elements placed in the
chart and which ones to eliminate! And which schools
to close first in the name of your personal
vindication in social media! ? ja vol mein fhuerer?

IT HAD TO BE YOUR WAY! IT WAS YOUR WAY!

TINA'S TESTIMONY BE DAMNED!!

INTO THE BLAST OF HYPER MENDACITY -

BUY BLEVINS BOOK AND MAKE HIM RICHMOUS.

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agreed on the KC & the sunshine band facts B|

what still bothers me with the chutes is why did he take the reserve with the X on it? how did he fail to notice or did he toss it?

does anyone know if the FBI still has the letters with the envelopes? I'm not 100% sold on the letters but agree it's worth the effort in doing the testing. what can it hurt,, the case? lots of doors have been left open that could leave room for stories to evolve that possibly are not true, I say yes to them testing the stamps!

I also believe it's way past due of them opening up the case to the Public, I think they are only hurting there reputation more by sitting on a 40 year old non security risk case! B|

nobody's perfect, you can't win them all ;)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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agreed on the KC & the sunshine band facts B|

what still bothers me with the chutes is why did he take the reserve with the X on it? how did he fail to notice or did he toss it?
;)



until you talk to Cooper its unanswerable. some
things are unanswerable, except in Dropzone
Dreamland where recreation and egoes trumps science.

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agreed on the KC & the sunshine band facts B|

what still bothers me with the chutes is why did he take the reserve with the X on it? how did he fail to notice or did he toss it?
;)



until you talk to Cooper its unanswerable. some
things are unanswerable, except in Dropzone
Dreamland where recreation and egoes trumps science.


yes, but still one has to wonder why this chute is missing, if you try and base it on his knowledge of jumping, I would say this would be a fail because you would think he would have left that one on the plane, then you have the FBI killing him off by stating the jump could not be made while McCoy did it from 16,000.....so round and round we goooooo where he lands....nobody knooooows B|
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Mr Shuter45 says:
"the bad things about KC is the color of his eyes, his dome shaped head that would be easily noticed with a hair piece and his size."

There are several things that rule out KC including his eyes.

1) He is to short at 5ft 8in - DB was 6ft 1in

2) Wrong color (white) of skin - DB had olive complexion

3) KC had blue eyes - DB had brown

Something else needs to be discussed is the choice of parachute. The two back parachutes were both rounds and just alike according to Haden the actual owner of the two chutes. One chute was packed in a NB-8 carrier and the other in a Paracomander carrier. DB looked the chutes over very completely even to look for the packing card and chuckled when he saw Cossey was the packer per Tina. So, the only difference between the two was the carrier. With the NB-8, DB could open and look for an electronic locator and repack it. However, with the Paracomander, the fit would have been too tight to search it and repack on the plane. Therefore, DB knew the NB-8 well (as he put it on like he did it every day) and was sure it had no locator. That is why he picked that chute. DB was a very experienced skydiver and knew what he was doing.

The hints given in the Playboy mag. as explained by Di Ji in the four Cooper Letters "DB Cooper Decoded" point to who DB was and had things reveled that the public did not know at the time the letters were sent. Such as the clip-on black tie, cocktail glass, and etc...
This makes the DNA under the Stamps/envelope flaps the "Smoking Gun" and when compared with the DNA on file from Sheridan Peterson, the case will be blown open and finally solved. Why are the FBI so slow to obtain the only remaining evidence just under the stamps/envelope flaps? They must not believe the four letters were from DB, or they can't get around to doing it, Can't be cost as the costs would be less than $1,000 according to my UofW DNA expert.

So, FBI we challenge you to go for it and finally solve the case.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com



No such thing as a Paracommander "carrier". Paracommander was a Pioneer sport canopy which could be packed in many different "containers". Norman Haydens two rigs were different. One was a surplus Navy harness-container, either an NB 6 or NB 8. The other was a Pioneer commercial harness-container.

I agree with Sailshaw that its certainly worth looking at the letters and stamps to see if a DNA sample can be found.

Sheridan Peterson is sure an interesting candidate. He would still be a suspect in the FBI's eyes had he not passed their DNA test which didnt match what they believe is Cooper's.

His qualifications are top notch (ex Marine, ex smoke jumper in the Pacific NW, expert skydiver, night jump, rugged terrain jump and water jump experience, former Boeing employee in tech documents). He had a grudge, and his alibi is pretty hard to disprove allegedly living in a mud hut in Nepal). His novel contains some striking analogies to Norjack including a passage about walking along the banks of the Columbia River with freezing feet, which was kinda out of place in his story which takes place in Viet Nam. It ends with a suicidal parachute jump into rugged North Viet Nam territory after slipping the pilot a twenty.

Peterson rented a room from Sailshaw in the 60s during which time he allegedly pumped Sailshaw (a Boeing engineer working in 737 door stairs) asking him for info on the 727 stairs. Sailshaw was working on a different plane and diodnt have the answers. Later Peterson gets a job at Boeing in tech documents section.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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more pure conjecture ....
never stick to the evidence ... Tina said:

evidence only gets in the way of internet social
media.

Rev. Billy Bob RedButtVolHead sayz "hello!"



My post comes from 21 years of performing that
task, 4 years as a Master Trainer "Black Hat" in that
skill set.

Amazon, I guess it is contest between these two
now.

Matt



Matt the point is not what your experience is. The
point is what a witness said happened in the crime!

Your experience is one thing. Tina's testimony is
about what happened is another.

Hell, I have a ton of experience tying ropes on
animals and in barns! Does that mean Coooer did it
"my way"? Now you're sounding like Blevins! HE DID
IT --- MY WAY.

COOPER DID IT --- MY WAY!

There was a witness to what he did.

Shall we throw the witness out and say:

HE DID IT MATT'S WAY.

If you cant agree with that elementary distinction
then you need to be on Blevin's team! The Box of
Rocks Team.

"HE DID IT - - - MYYYYYYY WAAAAAAAY"

The witness clearly says, 'HE DID NOT DO IT MATT'S
WAY, OR 377'S WAY, OR BLEVIN'S WAY, BUT HIS
WAY!"

This is really getting tiresome, for me. Let's just say
Cooper did it all of the different ways all of the
different socalled experts say he did it or had to do
it and get on with life, throw Geestman in jail to
vindicate you and Blevins, throw Sluggo and Galen
Cook in jail for being nice guys, hang Kaye from a
light pole, give Weber and Quade a Gold Medal,
and re-arrange the Periodic Table to suit MATT,
Blevins, and Jo Weber!?

Just tell how you want the elements placed in the
chart and which ones to eliminate! And which schools
to close first in the name of your personal
vindication in social media! ? ja vol mein fhuerer?

IT HAD TO BE YOUR WAY! IT WAS YOUR WAY!

TINA'S TESTIMONY BE DAMNED!!

INTO THE BLAST OF HYPER MENDACITY -

BUY BLEVINS BOOK AND MAKE HIM RICHMOUS.



If you can bring down the total asshatiness a minute. Tina did not see the post exit portion of the jump and had ZERO experience in this, right?

I addressed the web page quote Jo posted about the landing portion and how the theory was flawed.

Your vile hatred for any ones input is past old, it is down right childish, no wonder a few have placed you in the same group as BK. Your childishness is just as bad all around.

The rest of your post? jibberish, like BK. Are you and BK sitting at the same library now?

Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Dona Elliot is busy enough just putting ON the Ariel Tavern thing each year. Their phone number is public and you know what that means if you are involved with Cooper. They're always nice, though.
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How would you know if Dona Elliot is too busy to add on a symposium to the Ariel Cooper celebration? Did you even bother to call and ask her? I'm guessing, probably not. I've noticed sometimes that your assumptions get confused with actual fact.

On a similar note: you could have put on a quality symposium at Auburn this summer yourself if you would have gotten out of your own way. Some of us offered to help your organize it, but you refused. A DBC symposium in Auburn could have been a really good thing for all of us. We could have benefited greatly by getting together and sharing mutual knowledge. Maybe next time try to put aside your big ego and control-freak tendencies, and let quality folks who have something relevant to offer the case be allowed to step forward and be heard.

You're a trip dude.

MeyerLouie

Hey Blevins, I thought you were going away because of a possible conflict of interest with your views on the DBC case and your publishing company. Guess not, huh -- now your dropzone narratives are longer and more frequent than ever.

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The rest of your post? jibberish, like BK. Are you and BK sitting at the same library now?

Matt



Huh?

Evidence is fact. Conjecture is nonfact.

Your conjecture as to how Cooper bailed or did not
bail, tied or did not tie a bag of cash, as you would
do it, is all conjectuire = nonfact.

As to time: Took Cooper t-minutes to tie and
arrange the bag of cash as per Tina's direct witness.
Tina left at T+1 from the start of Cooper doing the
tie job. Is there enough time left between T+1 and
T-bail for Cooper to undo and redo everything Tina
had seen him already do?

You have no proof whatever Cooper did it AS YOU
WOULD DO IT.

The same applies to 377's & Blevin's theory about
C backing down the stairs, because that is how the
"experts" 377 and Blevins would do it!

You can only conjecture, in any event. You must
have some basis for conjecturing - you have none
because you know nothing about Cooper and his
background. Moreover, there is no example where
Cooper undid some action he had aready taken
during the hijacking, like taking his chute back off,
then putting ti back on, undressing and re-dressing,
etc. He looked at the chutes and simply selected
one and slipped it, like a pro. He secured the bag
around his waste with multiple turns of a rope and
knots. Tina saw him doing it as she left.

Sure, its possible he might have done what you
conjecture he might have done, but no evidence that
is what he did.

You dont know who Cooper was or his background.
Everything you say about what he had to have done
is pure conjecture, and furthermore, you and Blevins
both know it.

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This man even explains the ropes and how the package Cooper had was allowed to hang below him as he jumped. Even the artist depictions of Tina's accounting from another source shows this. WHY they went looking for CIA and Smokejumpers!

He explains that the sack striking the ground in advance gave him just enough warning to brace for impact and execute the energy-absorbing PLF manuever.



IF, "Cooper" had Military or Smoke Jumper training he would not have used that technique. IF, he was "trained" he would have kept the bag in place though out the landing as per the Standards for Rough Terrain Jumping.

Lower the bag to hear the impact to prep for landing is a bit of a hit or miss "old wives tale", "urban legend".

The lowering lines in the military and Forestry service are approximately 15', the rate of decent in 18' to 22' per second. You would have less than a second to react, your supposed to be prepared around 100', so you have about 4.5 seconds.

Can one hear the impact? Sure, some do. Can some react to it? Sure some do, but it is a rarity. It is not even taught now a days, it is water cooler talk.

If one made a rough terrain jump, and lowered the equipment as they drifted over the trees, the bag could catch or entangle, the parachute would continue to drift, and the jumper would be laid out horizontally from the bag to the canopy. This is dangerous to recover from.

Jumpers are taught to keep all equipment on, for their protection as the pass through the trees! If they did lower the equipment prior to passing through the trees, they would jettison the gear to avoid the horizontal issue.

I think the Felon may have had some training, but it was old and out of date, hence the old chute choice. I also don't think the bag of money was prepared for anything other than being carried all the way to the ground on the jumper. Based on the feet of cord used, it seems the Felon tied a sturdy knot or dozens and used a few wraps to hold the bag in place, but not enough was cut to make a lowering line or self extraction line.

Matt




Matt: All I did was state what the writer said in the article - BUT, you are wrong - the picture below is how they did it in 1968 - the picture Was in article about Vietnam that Duane left in a safe deposit box I had NO knowledge of until after his death.

The receipt was in the found wallet in Duane's van. I had NO key. I presented myself at the bank with our marriage certificate and his will and his death certificate. There was ONLY one thing is that safety deposit box.
A MAGAZINE - one with this pictures about Nam.

View that photo and you will understand what I think the writer was actually trying to say.
Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier was Duane's CB handle. I think of this everytime I see the attached pic...from Fortune Magazine.
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Meyer Louie says in part:

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'How would you know if Dona Elliot is too busy to add on a symposium to the Ariel Cooper celebration? Did you even bother to call and ask her? I'm guessing, probably not. I've noticed sometimes that your assumptions get confused with actual fact...'



Robert: Coming to Auburn for a symposium would have meant Dona Elliot packing a ton of merchandise into a truck or van, and driving 150 miles with it each way...and no guarantee she would make enough to cover expenses. I did speak to her about this, and she said yes...she was willing to do it. But then I canceled the symposium idea.

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'On a similar note: you could have put on a quality symposium at Auburn this summer yourself if you would have gotten out of your own way. Some of us offered to help your organize it, but you refused. A DBC symposium in Auburn could have been a really good thing for all of us. We could have benefited greatly by getting together and sharing mutual knowledge. Maybe next time try to put aside your big ego and control-freak tendencies, and let quality folks who have something relevant to offer the case be allowed to step forward and be heard...'



Robert: Meyer...I asked 377 if he could make it to do a chute demo. No answer. I offered Bruce Smith a half hour in the morning, a half hour in the afternoon to discuss his investigation - and even offered to create slides from his images for him, pay to have them processed, and give him a slide projector. He agreed at first, and then later said he had to go back east to visit family on that weekend. I'm pretty sure Geoff Gray would not have flown out from NY without a big payment, which was not in our budget. Basically, there WASN'T a lot of interest. I left a page up at our website for almost six months describing the event, along with an email link...and NOT ONE MESSAGE CAME IN.

That's where I got the idea it wasn't going to work. One or two people did offer to help, but it just wasn't enough. There were nine hours of speaking time to fill. That's harder to do than you think.

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You're a trip dude.

MeyerLouie

Hey Blevins, I thought you were going away because of a possible conflict of interest with your views on the DBC case and your publishing company. Guess not, huh -- now your dropzone narratives are longer and more frequent than ever.



Robert: Not THAT bad. I can't hold a candle to Jo's multiple posts or Knoss' complex scenarios. I don't mind Jo, at least she isn't just inventing stuff off the top of her head.

Not to be commercial about it, but don't you think (at first) I WANTED to do the Cooper thing? My hometown, they give me the theatre for free with a staff, I could pile up copies of Blast for sale, make a few bucks? Ha...of course I did.

But I do have a conscience. They only asked me to take over the AIL event last August. The event coordinator for the Auburn Days festival just handed me the keys, and I started feeling guilty. Like I'm just going to use the whole thing to push AB or something and make a cheap buck. Would have been easy to do, and unfair to everyone else. It's supposed to be about showcasing local writers and local talent, not Robert or his Cooper book. And I don't think a second year of doing the KC slideshow would have drawn much interest. Everyone saw it last year.

Look, if I see some REAL interest in this, I can try to arrange something for next year. Maybe we can rent the theatre. You can...it's owned by the city now and costs $278 a day, which is actually peanuts. I'm friends with the city guy who arranges the rentals. If people started contacting me with real ideas, and I thought they were serious and would show up, I would pay for the theatre and we could organize something. This can be done anytime, not just in August. Theatre is available all year for events and easy to rent. Until I see that happening, well...


Not to mention the fact you are not an expert on the
Cooper case! And the Christiansen story was a 2nd
rate 2nd handoff to you which never would have
happened in the first place had Lyle C. not gone to
NYC to look for a movie director and a script deal!

Not to mention your complete lack of credentials
investigating difficult research projects of any kind!

But you do claim and apparently are good at getting
LOST. Only to turn around and blame others!

I cant get beyond your reaction to Geestman, for
example. That seems proto-typical of your whole
case! Geestman simply got the best of you
and the Decoded 'experts', and so you are pissed
with no recourse. Mr. Blevins, go make a Citizen's
Arrest on Geestman, if you are so sure of your
facts!

:S

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IT HAD TO BE YOUR WAY! IT WAS YOUR WAY!

TINA'S TESTIMONY BE DAMNED!!

INTO THE BLAST OF HYPER MENDACITY -

BUY BLEVINS BOOK AND MAKE HIM RICHMOUS.




Georger you are dead on!
It has been 40 yrs and I believe the public has so convoluted the actual testimonies - to the point they might as well NOT exist.

Tina's testimony never existed or that is what the naysayers would have us old folk to believe.

I hope the picture I posted from the Fortune Magazine will make some of these individuals understand - that their way was NOT Cooper's WAY. Perhaps they are NOT OLD enough to know what the OLD WAY was.;)[:/]

Posting the pic one more time.
Matt - eat your words on this one!
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So Jo, if you did a book, would you quit posting on the forum? I would hope not. But, its kind of crazy that every time Blevins posts something about KC, he is accused of promoting his book. This is a forum to discuss the Cooper case after all.



Blevins is OK, but he consistently uses the same thing - he never adds anything new. He will go back and recite the same thing over. I am sure he is very astute with computers and just goes does some kind of search on his statements - and just goes too FAR with the promotion of his book instead of exploring any possibilites of why KC might not be Cooper.

I cannot write a book - I wouldn't know where to start and do not have enough life span left to do so. This is WHY I decided to go back to my old emails and logs and post things I have never posted before. It is MY WAY of making sure or hoping that someday someone will find the clues the FBI missed and realized that Crazy Delusional OLD woman was right. The only other suspect I have seriously considered is Coffelt and later in my logs this will become clear to you. Not that Coffelt was Cooper but that he knew who was or Brown knew who was.

I have noted the FBI and this thread has NOT actually addressed the Coffelt thing. I am the only one who had brought it up in the past few yrs.
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Mr Shutter has some questions:

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Duane also has some questions but I really can't understand all of the prison talk about him, how does this tie him into being Cooper? someone heavily medicated really can not be trusted in words, sort of like believing what a drunk tells you.




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I am open to all suspects to date, sadly I do not see the WOW factor in any of them




Might be to late for there to be a WOW factor. There are a lot of people sitting on pins and needles who DO NOT want there to be a WOW factor...namely the FBI. The WOW factor is right there in their own FILES and they do NOT have the manpower or the interest or the money to sift thru the files - why I suggested the FBI do one box at a time and put the information in that box on a large screen. I won't repeat the complete senario - but nothing should be held back.
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Matthewcline - do not believe you made the statement below:

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If one made a rough terrain jump, and lowered the equipment as they drifted over the trees, the bag could catch or entangle, the parachute would continue to drift, and the jumper would be laid out horizontally from the bag to the canopy. This is dangerous to recover from.

Jumpers are taught to keep all equipment on, for their protection as the pass through the trees! If they did lower the equipment prior to passing through the trees, they would jettison the gear to avoid the horizontal issue.




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In the past you have came across as a guy who had lots of experience. Now I will qualify that - experience for your age category.

I posted the pics of Nam jumps with the barrel, but have you actually viewed the old pics of the Nickles or old pic of Derry doing the training for the very first firefighters before we even had smokejumpers?????????

Please do!
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Anyone hear from him? My email went unanswered. Hope Bruce is OK.

377



NOT one WORD: I am really concerned....and hope he is just still in N.Y. and not in a hospital.

Even if he was in N.Y. I would think he would be getting his emails - that is WHY I am worried. He was having some problems last I heard from him and I was concerned.

The last time he was in N.Y. he would touch base with us.
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MrShutter45 Says:

"what still bothers me with the chutes is why did he take the reserve with the X on it? how did he fail to notice or did he toss it?"

My take is that Sheridan had seen the reserve with the X on it many times at Issaquah Sky Sports where he obtained his Instructor Certification and did the Boeing Skydiving Club activity. He probably laughed and tossed it as it was totally un-usefull.


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377 Says:

"Peterson rented a room from Sailshaw in the 60s during which time he allegedly pumped Sailshaw (a Boeing engineer working in 737 door stairs) asking him for info on the 727 stairs. Sailshaw was working on a different plane and diodnt have the answers. Later Peterson gets a job at Boeing in tech documents section."


My comment is first 377 thanks for correcting my Paracommander error. I was in a hurry and did not check my notes.

Next, I would like the record to show that Sheridan when at my house for one month, and ten years before the DB Caper, discussed the new 727 Boeing plane that we had seen in Avation Week. Later in my Boeing career I did test the 737 Aft Airstairs but at the time Sheridan was at my place he was very interested in what I knew about the 727 that was about ready for first flight. When he found out that I knew nothing (other than the Avation Week article), Sheridan was not interested in any of my other Boeing work. I believe he was focused on the possibility of jumping from the 727 Aft Airstairs and was interested in if it was possible. Now that was ten years in advance of the DB Cooper Caper which would indicate how far in advance his planning was and probably why he was so successful.

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The rest of your post? jibberish, like BK. Are you and BK sitting at the same library now?

Matt



Huh?

Evidence is fact. Conjecture is nonfact.

Your conjecture as to how Cooper bailed or did not
bail, tied or did not tie a bag of cash, as you would
do it, is all conjectuire = nonfact.

As to time: Took Cooper t-minutes to tie and
arrange the bag of cash as per Tina's direct witness.
Tina left at T+1 from the start of Cooper doing the
tie job. Is there enough time left between T+1 and
T-bail for Cooper to undo and redo everything Tina
had seen him already do?

You have no proof whatever Cooper did it AS YOU
WOULD DO IT.

The same applies to 377's & Blevin's theory about
C backing down the stairs, because that is how the
"experts" 377 and Blevins would do it!

You can only conjecture, in any event. You must
have some basis for conjecturing - you have none
because you know nothing about Cooper and his
background. Moreover, there is no example where
Cooper undid some action he had aready taken
during the hijacking, like taking his chute back off,
then putting ti back on, undressing and re-dressing,
etc. He looked at the chutes and simply selected
one and slipped it, like a pro. He secured the bag
around his waste with multiple turns of a rope and
knots. Tina saw him doing it as she left.

Sure, its possible he might have done what you
conjecture he might have done, but no evidence that
is what he did.

You dont know who Cooper was or his background.
Everything you say about what he had to have done
is pure conjecture, and furthermore, you and Blevins
both know it.



You now just as little, and have no training in the skill set.

Plus, you seem to not understand what I wrote, I will take some responsibility for that.

Remember I was addressing a line in Jo's post, for proper context. All this fluff you have diverted it away from with, is some anger issue you must deal with, not me.

As to Tina and your conjecture line. She didn't see any thing of "Coppers" prep past the moment she went to the cockpit. so most of your facts; are conjecture, using your standards.

BUT, the several turns of cord, would lead one to understand that would not be enough to lower the bag and provide an early warning for a landing or PLF at night. Which if you recall was what I was addressing in Jo's post.

Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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