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Jo Stated:
MatthewCline you will not use up what energy I have left with trivial crap like this again. Amazon tried to let you know how far off base you were - but you didn't know WHO you were dealing with did you?
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Someone tried top make something out of this statement that was NOT intended! I am only stating that Amazon is one of the REAL jumpers here and who has the knowledge Cline does NOT have.
Amazon IS not one of the INDIVIDUALS I was referring to who post in this thread for "other" reasons
She posts here because of her own interest and that her SKILL Level exceeds most to the skydivers participating in this thread with the exception of a couple. Her information is also extremely relevant to the past where-as Clines is NOT
You may be surprised (or not) how close Amazon and I's "interest" in this thread are.
You may also be surprised (or not) how closely our knowledge and experience in this particular skill set is.
You may also be surprised (or not) to learn I am as real a jumper as she.
I hope you're feeling better. I would think you would wish to put your energies into your relaxation and recovery.
I do wish you a quick and healthy recovery.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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Cooper acted as a lone Wolf, but he was involved in some "other Stuff" - that does NOT mean he was CIA, but the CIA and the Government used paid informants. They hired so called Soldier's of Fortune to do some dirty work. Cooper was a rogue - he was made promises NOT kept and so he just Took what he considered fair payment.
Note: I did NOT say Weber was Cooper!
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The above statement I made and posted is a summary of what may be the out come of all of this!
Stupid question about my mention of the thread being monitored. Of course any idiot knows any one can monitor anything - but do you care WHO is monitoring and WHAT they are doing with that information?
I definitely DID NOT say one thing to cause anyone to think Amazon was anything other than the capable person she is. PLEASE, go back - read the post you made this misinterpretation from. What you claimed I said was a malicious act on your part.
You have twisted things in the past - but DO NOT TWIST what I say. Ask questions for clarification when I do NOT make myself Clear.
You must be up to something yourself! Why would you think Amazon WAS anything other than what she really is? Naysayers and fiction writers love to cast a misrepresentation of character upon others involved in the Cooper Chase.
MY statement on the end
"I did not say that Weber was Cooper!"
Do you NOT understand that was in reference to the post it was contained in or is your literary expertise so limited or your comprehension of subject limited from post to post. Perhaps it is because you have an agenda you have NOT exposed.
This is a GOTCHA MOMENT:
AS for my repeating some of the 'golden oldies" as you put it.
WHY does that bother you? These are NOT previous posts, but private communications I never made available to the threads or to the public!
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QuoteJo Stated this below
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Cooper acted as a lone Wolf, but he was involved in some "other Stuff" - that does NOT mean he was CIA, but the CIA and the Government used paid informants. They hired so called Soldier's of Fortune to do some dirty work. Cooper was a rogue - he was made promises NOT kept and so he just Took what he considered fair payment.
Note: I did NOT say Weber was Cooper!
++++++++++++++The above statement I made and posted is a summary of what may be the out come of all of this!
Stupid question about my mention of the thread being monitored. Of course any idiot knows any one can monitor anything - but do you care WHO is monitoring and WHAT they are doing with that information?
I definitely DID NOT say one thing to cause anyone to think Amazon was anything other than the capable person she is. PLEASE, go back - read the post you made this misinterpretation from. What you claimed I said was a malicious act on your part.
You have twisted things in the past - but DO NOT TWIST what I say. Ask questions for clarification when I do NOT make myself Clear.
You must be up to something yourself! Why would you think Amazon WAS anything other than what she really is? Naysayers and fiction writers love to cast a misrepresentation of character upon others involved in the Cooper Chase.
MY statement on the end
"I did not say that Weber was Cooper!"
Do you NOT understand that was in reference to the post it was contained in or is your literary expertise so limited or your comprehension of subject limited from post to post. Perhaps it is because you have an agenda you have NOT exposed.
AS for my repeating some of the 'golden oldies" as you put it.
WHY does that bother you? These are NOT previous posts, but private communications I never made available to the threads or to the public!
Jo, You need to start reading your own posts and what you are saying in them.
Robert99
QuoteQuoteJo Stated this below
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Cooper acted as a lone Wolf, but he was involved in some "other Stuff" - that does NOT mean he was CIA, but the CIA and the Government used paid informants. They hired so called Soldier's of Fortune to do some dirty work. Cooper was a rogue - he was made promises NOT kept and so he just Took what he considered fair payment.
Note: I did NOT say Weber was Cooper!
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Stupid question about my mention of the thread being monitored. Of course any idiot knows any one can monitor anything - but do you care WHO is monitoring and WHAT they are doing with that information?
I definitely DID NOT say one thing to cause anyone to think Amazon was anything other than the capable person she is. PLEASE, go back - read the post you made this misinterpretation from. What you claimed I said was a malicious act on your part.
You have twisted things in the past - but DO NOT TWIST what I say. Ask questions for clarification when I do NOT make myself Clear.
You must be up to something yourself! Why would you think Amazon WAS anything other than what she really is? Naysayers and fiction writers love to cast a misrepresentation of character upon others involved in the Cooper Chase.
MY statement on the end
"I did not say that Weber was Cooper!"
Do you NOT understand that was in reference to the post it was contained in or is your literary expertise so limited or your comprehension of subject limited from post to post. Perhaps it is because you have an agenda you have NOT exposed.
AS for my repeating some of the 'golden oldies" as you put it.
WHY does that bother you? These are NOT previous posts, but private communications I never made available to the threads or to the public!
Jo, You need to start reading your own posts and what you are saying in them.
Robert99
Don't hold your breath.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
Matt Stated:
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You may be surprised (or not) how close Amazon and I's "interest" in this thread are.
You may also be surprised (or not) how closely our knowledge and experience in this particular skill set is.
You may also be surprised (or not) to learn I am as real a jumper as she.
I hope you're feeling better. I would think you would wish to put your energies into your relaxation and recovery.
I do wish you a quick and healthy recovery.
Matt
OH! if that is true why were YOUR statements about the Triple Nickels SO FAR OFF?
I will use my energy to bring make my old files public - and in doing so HOPE there is something there that will someday bring this case to a close...if it has NOT already done so.
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So you didn't read article where they talk about 1939 as the testing and 1940 when they first used smoke jumpers?
The gentlemen I spoke too all claimed to have been in the BN at the time of the move to the NW. Only one, the Coordinator of our jumps, was in the association after the 555th Deactivated.
I didn't post any thing incorrect, and you're right, you know nothing of "skyjumping" and are in need of some one who does too help you sort it out, since you dismiss my experience and expertise, you'll need to find one.
Matt
You BETTER CHECK your INFORMATION and the YRS! Firefighters are NOT smokejumpers - and YOU better talk to FLOYD or go back and study your HISTORY- There were NO smokejumpers in 1939 or 1940. Produce the source and I don't mean something you read on the computer. Documented books from the period and documented books about Smokejumper and the Triple Nickels.
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You may be surprised (or not) how close Amazon and I's "interest" in this thread are.
You may also be surprised (or not) how closely our knowledge and experience in this particular skill set is.
You may also be surprised (or not) to learn I am as real a jumper as she.
I hope you're feeling better. I would think you would wish to put your energies into your relaxation and recovery.
I do wish you a quick and healthy recovery.
Matt
OH! if that is true why were YOUR statements about the Triple Nickels SO FAR OFF? They're nothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555th_Parachute_Infantry_Battalion_%28United_States%29
I will use my energy to bring make my old files public - and in doing so HOPE there is something there that will someday bring this case to a close...if it has NOT already done so.
My links to the ACTUAL Smoke Jumpers web site as well as the Video PRODUCED by the 555th doesn't jive with your memories, but they are wrong?
Jo, 1939 is when we had smoke jumpers testing the theory in the US, in 1940 we started using them.
http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/smokejumpers/
I did the research, it shows me - not to be wrong. Show me some thing not written by you to prove otherwise.
But this is nothing more than a side trip away from who might be "Cooper". And since it is your doing maybe you're the one trying to keep the truth hidden? Could it be that the truth will show you do have been duped by a petty thief and two bit hood who tricked you for 17 years and even now after his death?
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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Blevins said: I didn't 'throw tantrums' about it. That's ridiculous. I'm about the most easygoing guy you'll ever meet.
You, easy-going, are you serious Blevins? The reason no one offered to participate in your so-called Symposium was because of you, no other reason. You were the reason, you were the problem. Who in their right mind is going to sign on with someone who tells everyone he's going to organize a symposium and then threatens to quit every other week when things don't go his way? That's exactly what you did, and that's why no one came on board. It wasn't them, Blevins. It was you.
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Blevins said: THERE WAS NO INTEREST....Wait and see how many people are really interested. Probably not very many.
No interest? Are you kidding? How about just the DZ here? You're wrong Blevins, there's plenty of interest in having a symposium -- and I made a case for that in my previous post. Moreover, I think we should make it an annual affair -- for so many good reasons. An annual symposium is essential for our long-term survival -- it's that important. And I think it should be over Thanksgiving weekend, and it should be in close proximy to Ariel, WA. __________________________________________________
Blevins said, "Besides, doing it in the middle of Auburn Days probably wouldn't have worked. You have to park a block or two away from the theater, then make your way through the crowds in the streets. (Downtown closed to traffic all weekend)
Auburn Days would not have deterred a single DBC sleuth from attending a DBC Symposium in Auburn. it's all in the way you organize, package, present, and advertise your product. Your performance was dismal on all counts here.
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Blevins said: In addition, the symposium was held on the same day (roughly) as the 40th anniversary of the hijacking, followed directly by a trip to the celebration in Ariel later that day.
There is a big difference between that, and lowly little AB of Seattle trying to do something similar in a small-town theatre with almost no backing.
As if somehow you and AB "own" the symposium because you've taken it upon yourselves to organize and finance some of it. You should do nothing of the sort! Rather, it would be more effective to do some consensus building with the collective DropZone group and all interested constituents, then bill it as "our" symposium rather than just your symposium.
It may come as a big surprise to you Blevins, but the universe does not revolve around your belly-button. I know... that probably comes as a real shock to you. Hang tough though ... you'll eventually get over it... and come to accept it.
You, easy-going, are you serious Blevins? The reason no one offered to participate in your so-called Symposium was because of you, no other reason. You were the reason, you were the problem. Who in their right mind is going to sign on with someone who tells everyone he's going to organize a symposium and then threatens to quit every other week when things don't go his way? That's exactly what you did, and that's why no one came on board. It wasn't them, Blevins. It was you.
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Blevins said: THERE WAS NO INTEREST....Wait and see how many people are really interested. Probably not very many.
No interest? Are you kidding? How about just the DZ here? You're wrong Blevins, there's plenty of interest in having a symposium -- and I made a case for that in my previous post. Moreover, I think we should make it an annual affair -- for so many good reasons. An annual symposium is essential for our long-term survival -- it's that important. And I think it should be over Thanksgiving weekend, and it should be in close proximy to Ariel, WA. __________________________________________________
Blevins said, "Besides, doing it in the middle of Auburn Days probably wouldn't have worked. You have to park a block or two away from the theater, then make your way through the crowds in the streets. (Downtown closed to traffic all weekend)
Auburn Days would not have deterred a single DBC sleuth from attending a DBC Symposium in Auburn. it's all in the way you organize, package, present, and advertise your product. Your performance was dismal on all counts here.
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Blevins said: In addition, the symposium was held on the same day (roughly) as the 40th anniversary of the hijacking, followed directly by a trip to the celebration in Ariel later that day.
There is a big difference between that, and lowly little AB of Seattle trying to do something similar in a small-town theatre with almost no backing.
As if somehow you and AB "own" the symposium because you've taken it upon yourselves to organize and finance some of it. You should do nothing of the sort! Rather, it would be more effective to do some consensus building with the collective DropZone group and all interested constituents, then bill it as "our" symposium rather than just your symposium.
It may come as a big surprise to you Blevins, but the universe does not revolve around your belly-button. I know... that probably comes as a real shock to you. Hang tough though ... you'll eventually get over it... and come to accept it.
Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!
QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off.
So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG.
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class.
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
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Straight BK style post there Jo, well done. You two are obviously closer than the fighting here would allude to.Quote
Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off.Why? I was not and am not wrong.
So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG.What "cat"?
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.Straight BK loonniesm
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.I talk to many, but please introduce me to these fellows.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.Not about me, moving on.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.Funny, but I used the 555th own history, and it shows your MEMORIES to be flawed.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class. You're now confusing two topics at a minimum
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum. Smoke jumpers and the US Army Airborne are two different items, your mixing things up, as well as ignoring facts and history again.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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what is this WWF fight nite???? I was hoping with the absence of Knoss things would change... a little???
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Quotewhat is this WWF fight nite???? I was hoping with the absence of Knoss things would change... a little???
Facts, science, and actual investigative technique, apparently are not welcome here by a few.
The history stands. The facts are true. The science proven. The Investigation continues, looking for more clues.
"Cooper" has got to be pissing himself, laughing at this thread grilling a little mahi mahi and drinking a cold one.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off. So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class.
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off. So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.[
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class.
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing.
When you take my rebuttal out (censorship), and the links to the factual, and historical pages, you show how wrong you are.
Jo, your focuses on this, but you're mistaken. You're the one side tracking the thread. If you're really after the truth you will be OK when it comes out and not disappointed.
MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
mrshutter45 21
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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It is just fucking retarded! Facts are facts.
I am baffled.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off. So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.[
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class.
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The Smoke Jumpers did NOT forum until 1944. Ask Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyd was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
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Jo States:
When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing.
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Matt States:Quote
Jo, your focuses on this, but you're mistaken. You're the one side tracking the thread. If you're really after the truth you will be OK when it comes out and not disappointed.
Matt
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Jo's Rebuttal:
Duane Weber was on the ground in WA when the 555 was being trained by Derry to use his chutes and how to land with the equipment. He helped get the chutes and things out of the trees and he may have made a jump or two. Lots of guys got hurt right up front. We had the 555 on the ground and in the air with laymen, prison road workers, forestry individuals - they were running every which way. The communications and the co-ordination - and the map reading - ALL of this had to be taught to the 555's.
How the HELL do you think Duane knew the AREA without a map - even remote areas - if what the FBI claimed was true (that Duane had never been in WA.)
The guys thought they were going out there to do the usual types of jobs the Black were assigned to in those days. EVERYTHING CHANGED. This was the beginning of the great civil movement and it actual took place right there in WA...what was supposed to be dirty work turned out to be a NEW Horizon for the forestry and the 555's. and then every Black Service Man who came after them. The respect of the Nation was won and it changed the future.
NOW Cline if you really know anything about this at all - then you know what I have just said is true. I may not get dates on target, but my mind remembers things others forget.
The potential the 555 created and what came later - they won WHITE supporters who admired them and who stayed in touch with each other over the yrs. Why don't you find out the names of all of the original 555's who went to WA and where each one of them went later after the Nickles were sent to Walla Walla.
Senario: Does NOT mean the following statement are true.
One stayed in the WA area after his term was over. Do you know what he did - this man of honor shined shoes.
Another went to N.Orleans - doing what he knew how to do best - make music.
Only a few of these guys lived to see the recognition the Nickles received later on...only 3 of the original are alive (they may not be at this time).
377 will remember my telling about all of those patches I sold after Duane died - I did NOT know that one of those was the forefather to the new patch the guys got later on. Duane was a sentimental fool and he kept things.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off.Why? I was not and am not wrong.
So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG.What "cat"?
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.Straight BK loonniesm
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.I talk to many, but please introduce me to these fellows.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.Not about me, moving on.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.Funny, but I used the 555th own history, and it shows your MEMORIES to be flawed.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class. You're now confusing two topics at a minimum
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum. Smoke jumpers and the US Army Airborne are two different items, your mixing things up, as well as ignoring facts and history again.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
Does anyone know which post got Cline off on this - well, I do and he doesn't even mention that particular post.
Below is the POST that started all of this CRAP! Read and wonder why? It is a form of military distraction - Cline has been trained well....but he was never taught how to deal with a 72 yr old woman or was clueless as what to expect. I am not a 32 yr old whose mind can be played with. I will admit I am not sure of the yrs - but 1939 - NO WAY!
Post I call POPPY COCK:
You need to check YOUR facts!
Yrs ago I was contacted and I have not been able to tell anyone what I was told (souce #1). I believed the source to be reliable so I checked it out and the second party was real.
I have kept my notes regarding the 2 conversations I had with the second party. Email was not used as a source of contact with the second party.
Without revealing who I was talking to this is a summary:
I spoke with a man employed at one time with CIA. I could NOT reveal what the 1st party told me. I question the 2ed party about a story I had been told regarding this 2ed party and Cooper being employed by the CIA to steal planes in Mexico and deliver them to operators in S. America - it is important to state this information did NOT come from the second party...something the 1st party had knowledge of.
I thought the story was Poppy Cock - I cannot reveal HOW I acquired this information or who I spoke to. Because I was under much stress, the second party found it within his heart to tell me enough to let me know I was sane. Talking to me was NOT without possible penalties and undesirable consequences...I had to go thru loops to contact him...he was very careful about what he told me...neither confirming or denying what the 1st party told me.
I was told that DIGGING into the matter was not a WISE thing to do. I actually only got 'vague' answers to my questions. The man held a very high position and was known to have heart and be honest....I think he was thinking "What if this was my wife - what would I want her to known".
Part II
Prior to this I had received UNTRACE-ABLE emails basically telling me the same and was provided some information that led to my first contact with Tina. I researched what I had, to be sure the information regarding Tina was not a hoax.
I thought the email leading me to Tina came from within the FBI itself and not the same source as above. Who else would know the information I was provided?
I acquired Tina's address and phone number 2 yrs prior to my contact with the second party I referred to earlier. I have used the location of her divorce as a ruse - so NO ONE would know exactly how I actually found her.
Knowing the county and state of her divorce I learned after the fact - but, used that as a ruse when I was questioned and drilled for yrs by Galen Cook to obtain the information from me. Galen Cook knew I knew how to contact her and was unrelenting in his methods and co-ersions to extract her contact information from me. Finally I relented, but only told him were to find her divorce papers - he needed to do a little work of his own!
NOW, you guys KNOW how I REALLY found Tina before anyone else. All I can tell you is the Tina information came under the quise of "RobbieClampett" in an untraceable manner. This information stopped 3 months before a certain High Ranking individual deceased.
I have sat on the above details for a very long time and used a ruse without actually telling a lie about how I received Tina's location prior to my contact with the above.
NOW you guys know the REST of the Story! How I found Tina before anyone else! Also why I know Duane was involved in something besides just being a skyjacker and con-man.
The story about planes - was actually part of the story regarding Ed Horan - another Mystery man who seemed to VANISH.....Ed was sick and talking when he should not have been....but, I did as he asked and never mentioned to Duane the short conversation he and I had in 1978 in Denver. Ed is the man who 3/4 yrs later WOULD not let me take his picture until Duane pulled him aside. I asked Duane what he told the man to get him to consent to my making the photo.
Duane answered with "I told him it was for our own private album and NO one would ever see it".
Now that is ODD the man did NOT want his picture taken. I have posted it in this thread because I could not find him and since he was in bad health in 1978 and 1982 was the last time Duane and I saw him....it was conceivable he was deceased. Now believe Ed Horan was not his REAL name.
Ed (in 1978) had told me about WA and the N.W. and he knew Duane from there and he talked about helicopters and planes. I had been left with ED for about 15 minutes while Duane went to get some medication for him in 1978.
Ed REALIZE he had rambled too much and had me swear not to mention the conversation to Duane and that Duane would tell him in his own time about this.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off. So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.[
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class.
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The Smoke Jumpers did NOT forum until 1944. Ask Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyd was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
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Jo States:
When I take YOUR remarks OUT of my POST I am NOT misunderstanding a damn thing.
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Matt States:Quote
Jo, your focuses on this, but you're mistaken. You're the one side tracking the thread. If you're really after the truth you will be OK when it comes out and not disappointed.
Matt
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Jo's Rebuttal:
Duane Weber was on the ground in WA when the 555 was being trained by Derry to use his chutes and how to land with the equipment. He helped get the chutes and things out of the trees and he may have made a jump or two. Lots of guys got hurt right up front. We had the 555 on the ground and in the air with laymen, prison road workers, forestry individuals - they were running every which way. The communications and the co-ordination - and the map reading - ALL of this had to be taught to the 555's. All in various books, Duane could have bamboozled you. But it is true what the 555th did in 1945 when they go there.
How the HELL do you think Duane knew the AREA without a map - even remote areas - if what the FBI claimed was true (that Duane had never been in WA.)
The guys thought they were going out there to do the usual types of jobs the Black were assigned to in those days. EVERYTHING CHANGED. This was the beginning of the great civil movement and it actual took place right there in WA...what was supposed to be dirty work turned out to be a NEW Horizon for the forestry and the 555's. and then every Black Service Man who came after them. The respect of the Nation was won and it changed the future.
NOW Cline if you really know anything about this at all - then you know what I have just said is true. Mostly, minus the confusion of dates, which has been our big issue, nice to see you accept the facts. I may not get dates on target, but my mind remembers things others forget.
The potential the 555 created and what came later - they won WHITE supporters who admired them and who stayed in touch with each other over the yrs. Why don't you find out the names of all of the original 555's who went to WA and where each one of them went later after the Nickles were sent to Walla Walla. You forget my jumping with their association and meeting them I previously mentioned?
Senario: Does NOT mean the following statement are true.
One stayed in the WA area after his term was over. Do you know what he did - this man of honor shined shoes.
Another went to N.Orleans - doing what he knew how to do best - make music.
Only a few of these guys lived to see the recognition the Nickles received later on...only 3 of the original are alive (they may not be at this time).You say it may not be true, but it is, many did exactly those things. A few in Memphis became great Blues Artists.
377 will remember my telling about all of those patches I sold after Duane died - I did NOT know that one of those was the forefather to the new patch the guys got later on. Duane was a sentimental fool and he kept things.
Jo, maybe you will understand this. Duane may have worked as a prisoner with the 555th, or actually the Forestry Service detail supporting them. I never questioned that, others have. I did point out an issue with ONE LINE in an article you quoted. The in an effort to try and tell me how I did my job for 21+ years wrong , you decided to travel this path of history while ignoring facts.
Fact: 1939 the US testes Smoke Jumping.
Fact:1940 The US Used Smoke Jumpers.
Fact: 1945 the 555th Arrived in the NW to fight fires caused by the Japanese Fire Bombs.
Theory: Duane Weber helped in the 555th's Mission in 1945.
Theory: He jumped with the 555th (not too likely, given the times)
Theory; ANY static line training of that time, would be transferable to a Freefall Jump.
I have never hidden I do not think Duane Weber, the two bit hood, was smart enough and skilled enough to have been "Cooper". I have never failed in showing that the flaws ion that theory. Maybe this current "point" re-sparked your earlier anger at me for not backing your theory.
But, I never posted an incorrect fact (TTBOMK) per the two entities web sites. All our memories fail.
Matt
MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
Repeat of WHAT I wrote:
Seems like a lot of individuals would like to take this post to task - go ahead, but DO not add things to a post that maked it appear the original person actually said certain things the way someone else did - recently such as BK!QuoteI actually came into the thread to post more of the logs, but MatthewClines' post TICKED me off.Why? I was not and am not wrong.
So I did MORE and decided to let the CAT out of the BAG.What "cat"?
I believe we have 2 individuals posting that are here for only one purpose. I am not going to make any accusations, but their positions seem to change consistenly and when one in particular reads or thinks I may have posted something that would jeopardize whatever their "assignment" is then one in particular tries to make me sound like I haven't got a clue.Straight BK loonniesm
Perhaps he does NOT realize we have a couple of very very swift jumpers from the past who monitor this thread.I talk to many, but please introduce me to these fellows.
When anyone gets close - this one person makes sure the information is distorted and made to sound "futile". He built his reputation here on his supposed knowledge, but the old timers have seen thur his guise.Not about me, moving on.
When this young whipper snapper starts talking Nickles he better go back to school. He needs to do the math again.Funny, but I used the 555th own history, and it shows your MEMORIES to be flawed.
When he starts talking the developement of the Chutes use before the Nickles became the Nickles - he needs to go back and retake the class. You're now confusing two topics at a minimum
Next thing we know he will be declaring he knew Derry the man who DEVELOPED the chutes and the method and who TAUGHT these guys BEFORE the Nickels was even formed. They did NOT become the Nickles until after Derry met with them and they went thru his rigid training. The smoke Jumpers was NOT until 1945. As Lloyd and Floyd - they are both still alive. Go to the Smokejumper museum. Smoke jumpers and the US Army Airborne are two different items, your mixing things up, as well as ignoring facts and history again.
Floyd has OLD TIMERS, but Lloyed was still sharp the last time I spoke to him a few months ago.
So MatthewCline - have a little fun chewing on your own tongue for awhile. Perhaps you just MISHEARD - or where too young to understand.
Matt
Does anyone know which post got Cline off on this - well, I do and he doesn't even mention that particular post.
Below is the POST that started all of this CRAP! Read and wonder why? It is a form of military distraction - Cline has been trained well....but he was never taught how to deal with a 72 yr old woman or was clueless as what to expect. I am not a 32 yr old whose mind can be played with. I will admit I am not sure of the yrs - but 1939 - NO WAY!
Post I call POPPY COCK:
You need to check YOUR facts!
Yrs ago I was contacted and I have not been able to tell anyone what I was told (souce #1). I believed the source to be reliable so I checked it out and the second party was real.
I have kept my notes regarding the 2 conversations I had with the second party. Email was not used as a source of contact with the second party.
Without revealing who I was talking to this is a summary:
I spoke with a man employed at one time with CIA. I could NOT reveal what the 1st party told me. I question the 2ed party about a story I had been told regarding this 2ed party and Cooper being employed by the CIA to steal planes in Mexico and deliver them to operators in S. America - it is important to state this information did NOT come from the second party...something the 1st party had knowledge of.
I thought the story was Poppy Cock - I cannot reveal HOW I acquired this information or who I spoke to. Because I was under much stress, the second party found it within his heart to tell me enough to let me know I was sane. Talking to me was NOT without possible penalties and undesirable consequences...I had to go thru loops to contact him...he was very careful about what he told me...neither confirming or denying what the 1st party told me.
I was told that DIGGING into the matter was not a WISE thing to do. I actually only got 'vague' answers to my questions. The man held a very high position and was known to have heart and be honest....I think he was thinking "What if this was my wife - what would I want her to known".
Part II
Prior to this I had received UNTRACE-ABLE emails basically telling me the same and was provided some information that led to my first contact with Tina. I researched what I had, to be sure the information regarding Tina was not a hoax.
I thought the email leading me to Tina came from within the FBI itself and not the same source as above. Who else would know the information I was provided?
I acquired Tina's address and phone number 2 yrs prior to my contact with the second party I referred to earlier. I have used the location of her divorce as a ruse - so NO ONE would know exactly how I actually found her.
Knowing the county and state of her divorce I learned after the fact - but, used that as a ruse when I was questioned and drilled for yrs by Galen Cook to obtain the information from me. Galen Cook knew I knew how to contact her and was unrelenting in his methods and co-ersions to extract her contact information from me. Finally I relented, but only told him were to find her divorce papers - he needed to do a little work of his own!
NOW, you guys KNOW how I REALLY found Tina before anyone else. All I can tell you is the Tina information came under the quise of "RobbieClampett" in an untraceable manner. This information stopped 3 months before a certain High Ranking individual deceased.
I have sat on the above details for a very long time and used a ruse without actually telling a lie about how I received Tina's location prior to my contact with the above.
NOW you guys know the REST of the Story! How I found Tina before anyone else! Also why I know Duane was involved in something besides just being a skyjacker and con-man.
The story about planes - was actually part of the story regarding Ed Horan - another Mystery man who seemed to VANISH.....Ed was sick and talking when he should not have been....but, I did as he asked and never mentioned to Duane the short conversation he and I had in 1978 in Denver. Ed is the man who 3/4 yrs later WOULD not let me take his picture until Duane pulled him aside. I asked Duane what he told the man to get him to consent to my making the photo.
Duane answered with "I told him it was for our own private album and NO one would ever see it".
Now that is ODD the man did NOT want his picture taken. I have posted it in this thread because I could not find him and since he was in bad health in 1978 and 1982 was the last time Duane and I saw him....it was conceivable he was deceased. Now believe Ed Horan was not his REAL name.
Ed (in 1978) had told me about WA and the N.W. and he knew Duane from there and he talked about helicopters and planes. I had been left with ED for about 15 minutes while Duane went to get some medication for him in 1978.
Ed REALIZE he had rambled too much and had me swear not to mention the conversation to Duane and that Duane would tell him in his own time about this.
You are seriously off your rocker.
Matt
PS I manipulated no words, my words attached to yours in direct answer to a false point has been easy to follow, accept by you.An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!mrshutter45 21
Smokejumping was first proposed in 1934 by T.V. Pearson, the Forest Service Intermountain Regional Forester, as a means to quickly provide initial attack on forest fires. By parachuting in, self-sufficient firefighters could arrive fresh and ready for the strenuous work of fighting fires in rugged terrain. The smokejumper program began in 1939 as an experiment in the Pacific Northwest Region, and the first fire jump was made in 1940 on Idaho's Nez Perce National Forest in the Northern Region. In 1981, the first woman smokejumper in the nation successfully completed the training program at the McCall Smokejumper Base in Idaho.
Site two Forrest Service
The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.
555
Activation
The unit was activated as a result of a recommendation made in December 1942 by the Advisory Committee on Negro Troop Policies, chaired by the Assistant Secretary of War, John J. McCloy. In approving the committee's recommendation for a black parachute battalion, Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall decided to start with a company, and on 25 February 1943 the 555th Parachute Infantry Company was constituted.
On 19 December 1943, Headquarters, Army Ground Forces, authorized the activation of the company as an all-black unit with black officers as well as black enlisted men. All unit members were to be volunteers, with an enlisted cadre to be selected from personnel of the 92d Infantry Division at Fort Huachuca, Arizona.
The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Jo your facts are false, or maybe you misunderstood.
So now Duane is a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA?
Jo Replies:
NOW did I SAY Duane was a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA? NO! I said Cooper not Duane.
You are the one changing directions or misunderstanding.
Go back and read the post. I was relaying a conversation with a man in 2006, who was questioned shortly after Cooper did his thing. A few yrs before the skyjacking this man claimed he and Cooper were employed by the CIA (by the way this man's connection are very well known). They were stealing planes in Mexico and taking them to an operation in S.America. I was told digging into this matter was NOT a WISE thing to do.
Your source of information regarding the history of Smoke Jumping and the 555 and the formation of the Nickels is not the only source available.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
NOW WHAT I JUST SAID - THAT DOES MAKE ME SOUND LIKE BK AND YOU MAKE ME SOUND LIKE BK WITH YOUR ADD-ONS TO MY POSTS- WITHIN MY POSTS. 
MatthewCline you will not use up what energy I have left with trivial crap like this again. Amazon tried to let you know how far off base you were - but you didn't know WHO you were dealing with did you?
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Someone tried top make something out of this statement that was NOT intended! I am only stating that Amazon is one of the REAL jumpers here and who has the knowledge Cline does NOT have.
Amazon IS not one of the INDIVIDUALS I was referring to who post in this thread for "other" reasons
She posts here because of her own interest and that her SKILL Level exceeds most to the skydivers participating in this thread with the exception of a couple. Her information is also extremely relevant to the past where-as Clines is NOT
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