DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

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Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

Thank YOU!

I just spent the last fricking hour looking for my damn Nickels FILE.
and when I came back to the thread after taking a pill - to tell Cline to go to HELL and NEVER COME BACK - you had stumbled up on one of my sources. Then I found my communications with some of the OLD TIMERS.

THIS ALL is connected to the Balloon Bombs. The Balloon Bombs where WHY the 555 was even sent to WA. If the site is the one you found - it will show a video that makes KLINE look like the Idiot he has tried recently to make me appear as.

In the video you will see - ground guys running around trying to help the "jumper in training" learning how to jump with the DAMN equip they would need. The 555 had a lot to learn about being Smoke Jumpers and they had to learn to find their way with the forestry maps. (Duane sure knew his way around without maps).

I happen to KNOW about where the video was made and the guys you see running around are prisoner workers and forestry guys...the utilized anyone they could to fight the fires.

Derry had to do give these guys (the 555) some fast training because what they were going to be doing was very different from the kind of jumping they had been trained in.

One man (one of the orginal 555's) made a personal written accounting of what happened in 1944. YOU see WHAT I have been saying is TRUE and ACCURATE. I do NOT know where KLINE gets his damn information - but it is completely miss leading and it is ON PURPOSE...Kline is a MOLE! Either that or he is purposely trying to confuse the facts.

I have NO idea WHY some PEOPLE want to MAKE themselve part of this - but Kline has motives and that is obvious. Another person with self importance like CARR who wants to make himself heard.

When he could no long attack BK - he started ATTACKING my information. I had prior to his doing this decided to start posting the major things I learned between 2000 and 2006 which I had never made part of this thread, but this he started thing on me...the effect of this was to get me to do what I did - get off base, but it is back firing and firing fast.

Because I lifted some things (to find files) I am not supposed to and got upset - I am hurting on top of being upset.

BEFORE MY Medication takes effect:

Take NOTE of this the 555 trained at FT. Benning at a time Duane Weber was in the ARMY in 1942/1943 at Camp Siebert (he was only there for a few wks). Camp Siebert and Ft Benning all went to Columbus for entertainment.

Remember that Duane was often mistaken as BLACK. NO I am not saying he was one of these guys - I KNOW he was doing CWF at Camp Siebert and he worked on the ground.

I expect when the 555 got to WA, Duane just happened to be one of the ground guys - be it prison or forestry or connected to Derry (he reconnected with the past). Duane as all of you know was often mistaken for Black. Also remember Duane's Uncle was called back because of the CWF as he had helped develope it during WW1 and he did a few months of Public Service for the War Effort when they recalled him in 1944 because of the BALLOON Bombs - his name was Lyman Van Buren Weber - look it up in the census it is there.

Lyman Van Buren Weber was also Duane's connections to St. Petersburg, Fl.

Hope KLINE sticks this where it will really hurt. I will probably get kicked out of the thread for this, but I am sick and tired of guys like him and the FBI agents who NEVER listened to me at all. I have been telling this for YRS, but NO one heard me. Proving it does NOT make Weber Cooper, but it sure makes him familiar with jumpers and the WA area and knowledge of how to make the jump.

Duane's knowledge of the BOEING came from his brother and a friend of his brother...the friend and the brother bought property in Tacoma together - Both were connected to Boeing - but the FBI would not even look at this information. WELL, I know where to find it and how to find it - I just have to get back to WA., but I will not be able to do so. What I am looking for is in Tacoma or Pullyallup and makes the connections.

NO ONE CARES BUT ME! AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I CARE OTHER THAN WHEN DUANE TOLD ME WHAT HE TOLD ME HE WANTED IT KNOW AND HE WAS ANGRY I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT! Now I know and no one HEARS ME - so I understand his frustrations with me on that day in March - 11 days before he died.

I have to go lie down and try to relax, but I will leave the site up to see if anyone replies, but probably will not try to make a reply the way I am feeling.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Robert please be silent for awhile. Please! Do not distract these guys away from this conversation or you make yourself part of the deception that has been going on. You live in WA - see what you can find on the Balloon Bombs and the activities of the 555 in 1944.
Make yourself useful in helping bring this to an end.

"Unless the FBI can link the tie to a specific suspect in a way OTHER than DNA...it is USELESS AS EVIDENCE".

Exactly the point - the tie supposedly was not located during the initial taking of evidence - I have heard 4 hrs and 4 days. Since the airlines needed to get that plane back in the air - 4 hours is more logical.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[smokin99 0]

Lord have mercy, is it just me or has this forum gone to hell in a hand basket? I used to love coming on here and joining in the discourse. Folks keeping an open mind and, yes, agreeing to disagree - though sometimes being asinine and having to take a Quade-cation.
But overall, most of us have enjoyed the interesting dialogue on a variety of subjects -- from parachuting to weather to facial patterns to tie clips to flight paths to jets to psychological makeup of hijackers and victims to cords and money finds and transcripts and outcome scenarios and "my DB is better than your DB and here's why"........I could go on and on about the myriad paths discussions have taken....... but I won't waste anymore of your time....thoughtful readers get my drift.

I don't even read most of the posts anymore - it's all such bickering bullshit. What happened? Will we ever get our forum back?

Never mind...just venting..No response needed to a rhetorical question.

Sigh......it is what it is but hope springs eternal.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[georger 244]

In addition, since the tie itself has been handled by who-knows how many people, it is impossible to say for certain whether the sample is viable, mixed, or even came from the hijacker.

In other words, the DNA sample COULD be from the first few FBI agents who picked up the tie. No one really knows for sure. I think what the FBI is doing is this:

They got a partial from the tie. They don't know if it originated from the hijacker or a monkey, or another agent. Using this logic, they could actually eliminate someone who was guilty...and even if you believe the sample is viable...any decent lawyer could use the above points to have the whole thing tossed out of court. Using DNA evidence in court is very chain-specific. And that tie has more breaks in the evidence chain than you can count.

Unless the FBI can link the tie to a specific suspect in a way OTHER than DNA...it is USELESS AS EVIDENCE. You couldn't even get a warrant based on anything about it except that...certainly not the sample itself.

[airtwardo 7]

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Lord have mercy, is it just me or has this forum gone to hell in a hand basket? I used to love coming on here and joining in the discourse. Folks keeping an open mind and, yes, agreeing to disagree - though sometimes being asinine and having to take a Quade-cation.
But overall, most of us have enjoyed the interesting dialogue on a variety of subjects -- from parachuting to weather to facial patterns to tie clips to flight paths to jets to psychological makeup of hijackers and victims to cords and money finds and transcripts and outcome scenarios and "my DB is better than your DB and here's why"........I could go on and on about the myriad paths discussions have taken....... but I won't waste anymore of your time....thoughtful readers get my drift.

I don't even read most of the posts anymore - it's all such bickering bullshit. What happened? Will we ever get our forum back?

Never mind...just venting..No response needed to a rhetorical question.

Sigh......it is what it is but hope springs eternal.

Yup!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[georger 244]

The DNA on the tie is USELESS as evidence. Even if the FBI did a 'fail to eliminate' on the tie with a suspect, this would prove absolutely nothing. Any good lawyer would have it tossed out instantly for breaking the chain of evidence. If you know about DNA evidence, you should know that. And would you trust the FBI's results anyway on such a test? The only good samples they had (cigarette butts) were lost. The tie will never prove, nor will it ever convict anyone of the hijacking...unless they can link it to the suspect without relying on the supposed valid sample.

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well anyway you look at it the chute is missing, tossing it was only a thought, the area in which it would of landed is much larger than the chute itself and could easily be hanging in the trees all this time? I don't know, given the size and color of it VS the terrain one would tend to believe it would be hard to spot unless you tripped over it.

to date nobody has any proof what so ever how he went out of the back of the plane, I am currently working on a project in hopes of finding some answers to this, I don't know at this stage, I don't know if anything will be found, but I will be able to tell you if the flight path is correct.

one of the best tools is recreation, I'm going back to the scene of the crime so to speak and see what can be uncovered, corrected or confirmed for that matter!

If the FBI vacuum cleaners that cleaned the plane in Reno were any good at all, they would contain the string that was used by TOG to sew the X chute closed. Weber would have cut the string with his pocket knife like he was told to do, and used that chute on his back. The string would probably be in short pieces. I heard the instructions as they were given to Weber. The X chute was put in his storage compartment in 1968, sewn shut to insure no tampering by uninformed SA's during retrieval. I'll be happy to certify this for you, along with each and every segment of the Norjak Project.

P.S.: An experienced jumper is a joke in trying to assist in analyzing this incident, since NOTHING is standard procedure. EVERYTHING is dyslexic... backwards. Having flatulence between the ears is not the same as having dyslexia. Analyzing planted evidence and misinformation is not dyslexic either, but it is backwards, which is not the same as smart, which rhymes with fart, which we already discussed. It's a professional circle jerk here. Not my sort of game, but you are funny to watch.
Rub-a-dub-dub
Three men in a tub,
And how do you think they got there?
The jumper, the faker, the fabricator,
They all jumped out of a rotten potato,
'Twas enough to make a man stare.

[matthewcline 0]

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Jo your facts are false, or maybe you misunderstood.

So now Duane is a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA?

Jo Replies:

NOW did I SAY Duane was a CIA Operative stealing planes for the CIA? NO! I said Cooper not Duane.

You are the one changing directions or misunderstanding.
Go back and read the post. I was relaying a conversation with a man in 2006, who was questioned shortly after Cooper did his thing. A few yrs before the skyjacking this man claimed he and Cooper were employed by the CIA (by the way this man's connection are very well known). They were stealing planes in Mexico and taking them to an operation in S.America. I was told digging into this matter was NOT a WISE thing to do.

Your source of information regarding the history of Smoke Jumping and the 555 and the formation of the Nickels is not the only source available.

But you have maintained all along that Duane was Cooper, so which is it now?

He wasn't?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[matthewcline 0]

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Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

Yep, look at the quotes, same quotes I used, same on the dates. But They can't be right because the guy with Alzheimer's that Jo spoke to says some thing different.

November 0f 1944 the 555th was still at Bragg NC. hmmm.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Smokejumping was first proposed in 1934 by T.V. Pearson, the Forest Service Intermountain Regional Forester, as a means to quickly provide initial attack on forest fires. By parachuting in, self-sufficient firefighters could arrive fresh and ready for the strenuous work of fighting fires in rugged terrain. The smokejumper program began in 1939 as an experiment in the Pacific Northwest Region, and the first fire jump was made in 1940 on Idaho's Nez Perce National Forest in the Northern Region. In 1981, the first woman smokejumper in the nation successfully completed the training program at the McCall Smokejumper Base in Idaho.

Site two Forrest Service

The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.

555

Activation
The unit was activated as a result of a recommendation made in December 1942 by the Advisory Committee on Negro Troop Policies, chaired by the Assistant Secretary of War, John J. McCloy. In approving the committee's recommendation for a black parachute battalion, Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall decided to start with a company, and on 25 February 1943 the 555th Parachute Infantry Company was constituted.
On 19 December 1943, Headquarters, Army Ground Forces, authorized the activation of the company as an all-black unit with black officers as well as black enlisted men. All unit members were to be volunteers, with an enlisted cadre to be selected from personnel of the 92d Infantry Division at Fort Huachuca, Arizona.
The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion

She and BK will all claim you made this up, since it came from a "computer" and not sworn to by one of them.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[matthewcline 0]

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Lord have mercy, is it just me or has this forum gone to hell in a hand basket? I used to love coming on here and joining in the discourse. Folks keeping an open mind and, yes, agreeing to disagree - though sometimes being asinine and having to take a Quade-cation.
But overall, most of us have enjoyed the interesting dialogue on a variety of subjects -- from parachuting to weather to facial patterns to tie clips to flight paths to jets to psychological makeup of hijackers and victims to cords and money finds and transcripts and outcome scenarios and "my DB is better than your DB and here's why"........I could go on and on about the myriad paths discussions have taken....... but I won't waste anymore of your time....thoughtful readers get my drift.

I don't even read most of the posts anymore - it's all such bickering bullshit. What happened? Will we ever get our forum back?

Never mind...just venting..No response needed to a rhetorical question.

Sigh......it is what it is but hope springs eternal.

Probably not, if you eliminate the none-science and all the fantasy, very few of use would even have a post still here.

But if we can stick to the proven history, facts of science and real evidence, we have a neat thread, maybe only 200~ posts in it then.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

Do us all a favor and stay gone like you have been, you will have plenty of time to explain this soon.

It won't be on here either!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/smokejumpers/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555th_Parachute_Infantry_Battalion_(United_States)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokejumper

http://smokejumpers.com/main/home.php

these are all I could "make" in such short time

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Do us all a favor and stay gone like you have been...

NO! NO! NO!, Bob, please don't leave. Your crazy story gives balance to all the other crazy stories. You are entertaining; the responses you evoke are more entertaining.

You rub everyone the wrong way...that's a good thing. Question authority at every opportunity.

Personally, I think you should sit down some evening and compose a time-line for what you are claiming. Names of places, people and events. From the beginning. One post, inclusive of your entire argument with as much detail as possible. Explain why you can't divulge certain names. Exactly why for each name. After you write it...do it off line and upload later...sleep on it and revise in the morning. Don't just send it off. Plan.

Give it a try. You'll piss off hundreds of people, maybe a few thousand, with just one post.

I'll keep checking every few days. Give it your best shot.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

[matthewcline 0]

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http://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/smokejumpers/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/555th_Parachute_Infantry_Battalion_(United_States)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokejumper

http://smokejumpers.com/main/home.php

these are all I could "make" in such short time

Damn, you are good!



Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[airtwardo 7]

Give it your best shot.

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'What did Cooper say to Oswald' - for 300 Bob!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mrshutter45 21]

I think he will say.....

The order came down from the Vice President to the Pentagon then thru the CIA in which they called up the NRA and established contact with Richard Floyd McCoy who at the time was a deputy Sheriff in a small Mexican town (we will discuss this at a later time) McCoy contacted Cooper who then contacted Oswald in a cafe in Texas.

Cooper then told Oswald that the target must be taken out in order to secure security around the President, he instructed Oswald to go to the 6th floor, BUT do not fire, I repeat do not fire, others will handle the target.

this is all based on my knowledge and has been signed by the highest traffic court judge in Florida as to being truthful as one can be!

once you understand this part, I will grant you security to the 2nd level!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Guru312 0]

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I think he will say.....

Excellent. +1

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

[matthewcline 0]

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I think he will say.....

The order came down from the Vice President to the Pentagon then thru the CIA in which they called up the NRA and established contact with Richard Floyd McCoy who at the time was a deputy Sheriff in a small Mexican town (we will discuss this at a later time) McCoy contacted Cooper who then contacted Oswald in a cafe in Texas.

Cooper then told Oswald that the target must be taken out in order to secure security around the President, he instructed Oswald to go to the 6th floor, BUT do not fire, I repeat do not fire, others will handle the target.

this is all based on my knowledge and has been signed by the highest traffic court judge in Florida as to being truthful as one can be!

once you understand this part, I will grant you security to the 2nd level!

Baja Mexico to be precise!

And don't forget the lunch box with the liver and onions sandwich!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[airtwardo 7]

Lunch BAG not lunch BOX!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mrshutter45 21]

Take it easy......all will be explained in security level two! yes the sandwich is factored in! McCoy made sure of it! I know because I was there!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[matthewcline 0]

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Lunch BAG not lunch BOX!

Oh yeah, right, a brown one.

Sorry~

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[skyjack71 0]

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Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

Yep, look at the quotes, same quotes I used, same on the dates. But They can't be right because the guy with Alzheimer's that Jo spoke to says some thing different.

November 0f 1944 the 555th was still at Bragg NC. hmmm.

Matt

WRONG INFORMATION AGAIN.
I SPOKE WITH LLOYD WHO IS VERY SOUND OF MIND. SEE U CANNOT EVEN GET THAT STRAIGHT SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING ELSE STRAIGHT.

NOW U SAY 1944 AND THAT IS CORRECTED, BUT WHEN THEY GOT TO WA. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE JUMPING IN THE HEAVY FOREST AND WITH THE SPECIALIZE EQUIPMENT - THEY GOT SOME VERY QUICK LESSONS FROM DERRY IN WA.

THE 555 WAS NOT SMOKE JUMPERS IN 1945. JUST MILITARY JUMPERS. JUMPERS WHO FELT THEY WERE BEING SENT TO WA -TO DO THE WHITE MANS DIRTY WORK TO HELP FIGHT FIRES. THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE BALLOON BOMBS...AS THIS WAS KEPT UNDER WRAPS UNTIL THEY ARRIVED IN WA. WHEN THEY GOT THERE - THEY MADE HISTORY. IT WOULD BE 1945 BEFORE THEY BECAME THE NICKELS.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Robert99 50]

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Interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

Yep, look at the quotes, same quotes I used, same on the dates. But They can't be right because the guy with Alzheimer's that Jo spoke to says some thing different.

November 0f 1944 the 555th was still at Bragg NC. hmmm.

Matt

WRONG INFORMATION AGAIN.
I SPOKE WITH LLOYD WHO IS VERY SOUND OF MIND. SEE U CANNOT EVEN GET THAT STRAIGHT SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING ELSE STRAIGHT.

NOW U SAY 1944 AND THAT IS CORRECTED, BUT WHEN THEY GOT TO WA. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE JUMPING IN THE HEAVY FOREST AND WITH THE SPECIALIZE EQUIPMENT - THEY GOT SOME VERY QUICK LESSONS FROM DERRY IN WA.

THE 555 WAS NOT SMOKE JUMPERS IN 1945. JUST MILITARY JUMPERS. JUMPERS WHO FELT THEY WERE BEING SENT TO WA -TO DO THE WHITE MANS DIRTY WORK TO HELP FIGHT FIRES. THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE BALLOON BOMBS...AS THIS WAS KEPT UNDER WRAPS UNTIL THEY ARRIVED IN WA. WHEN THEY GOT THERE - THEY MADE HISTORY. IT WOULD BE 1945 BEFORE THEY BECAME THE NICKELS.

Jo, Just exactly what is there in your background that makes you feel qualified to lecture Matt on military parachuting, sports parachuting, or even the time of day?

Don't be modest. Just give a short list of your accomplishments in the parachuting area. Matt would probably appreciate seeing your list of accomplishments also.

Also, what is the source of your statements about the balloon bombs? The balloon bombs were common knowledge for WA residents in that period. I lived there then and saw one of those balloons.

Are you asking me to believe you rather than my own eyes?

Robert99