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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-PIsRMKjcQ

Yep, look at the quotes, same quotes I used, same on the dates. But They can't be right because the guy with Alzheimer's that Jo spoke to says some thing different.

November 0f 1944 the 555th was still at Bragg NC. hmmm.

Matt

WRONG INFORMATION AGAIN.
I SPOKE WITH LLOYD WHO IS VERY SOUND OF MIND. SEE U CANNOT EVEN GET THAT STRAIGHT SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING ELSE STRAIGHT.

NOW U SAY 1944 AND THAT IS CORRECTED, BUT WHEN THEY GOT TO WA. THEY DID NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE JUMPING IN THE HEAVY FOREST AND WITH THE SPECIALIZE EQUIPMENT - THEY GOT SOME VERY QUICK LESSONS FROM DERRY IN WA.

THE 555 WAS NOT SMOKE JUMPERS IN 1945. JUST MILITARY JUMPERS. JUMPERS WHO FELT THEY WERE BEING SENT TO WA -TO DO THE WHITE MANS DIRTY WORK TO HELP FIGHT FIRES. THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE BALLOON BOMBS...AS THIS WAS KEPT UNDER WRAPS UNTIL THEY ARRIVED IN WA. WHEN THEY GOT THERE - THEY MADE HISTORY. IT WOULD BE 1945 BEFORE THEY BECAME THE NICKELS.

Since you now are saying what I have said all along about the 555th, what is your point?

Thank You for admitting the USFS Smoke Jumpers started in 1939 and the 555th showed up in the NW in 1945, after starting as a Company in 1943 (the 555th PIC) and as a Battalion activated and being flagged in Nov 1944 (as the 555th PIB), at Fort Bragg. It is progress.

Now the "down line" and "drop line" thing can be cleared up.
Down line, used by the Smoke jumpers to lower themselves down out of trees upon landing in one.

Drop Line, Equipment Drop Line, or Equipment Lowering Line, used by and individual to lower his equipment before landing.

Now your stating Duane, learned how to jump by watching the 555th chute up for their fire fighting mission jumps, is this correct?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.


[BLUE] Read what is written and the read the personal accountings. The Forest Service began experimenting, but that was all. There were NO smokejumpers. There is a book you need to acquire - I will find it later and give you the title and it is very old. It tells all about these early days of experiments with Derry.
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The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion

Do you understand English? the 555 was not activated as smokejumpers. read your BLACK history and absorb it.

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The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.


[BLUE] Read what is written and the read the personal accountings. The Forest Service began experimenting, but that was all. There were NO smokejumpers. There is a book you need to acquire - I will find it later and give you the title and it is very old. It tells all about these early days of experiments with Derry.
555


The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion

Do you understand English? the 555 was not activated as smokejumpers. read your BLACK history and absorb it.

Jo, I fully understand that the Smoke Jumpers Started testing in 1939 and did fight their first fire in 1940, jumping into it.

I also fully understand that the 555th activated as a Company in 1943, expanded to a Battalion in 1944, and then went to the NW to AUGMENT the USFS and fight fires started by the Japanese Fire Bombs.

YOU'RE confusing things. I fully understand these are two different entities, joined only by the history they enjoined in 1945.

Are you confusing the USFS Smoke Jumpers, with the 555th "Triple Nickles" other nick name they earned in 1945, "Smoke Jumpers"? and thus incorrectly thinking I do not know they are two different entities and the Second "Smoke Jumpers" are the 555th and the first the USFS?

Matt

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Smokejumping was first proposed in 1934 by T.V. Pearson, the Forest Service Intermountain Regional Forester, as a means to quickly provide initial attack on forest fires. By parachuting in, self-sufficient firefighters could arrive fresh and ready for the strenuous work of fighting fires in rugged terrain. The smokejumper program began in 1939 as an experiment in the Pacific Northwest Region, and the first fire jump was made in 1940 on Idaho's Nez Perce National Forest in the Northern Region. In 1981, the first woman smokejumper in the nation successfully completed the training program at the McCall Smokejumper Base in Idaho.

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The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.

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Activation
The unit was activated as a result of a recommendation made in December 1942 by the Advisory Committee on Negro Troop Policies, chaired by the Assistant Secretary of War, John J. McCloy. In approving the committee's recommendation for a black parachute battalion, Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall decided to start with a company, and on 25 February 1943 the 555th Parachute Infantry Company was constituted.
On 19 December 1943, Headquarters, Army Ground Forces, authorized the activation of the company as an all-black unit with black officers as well as black enlisted men. All unit members were to be volunteers, with an enlisted cadre to be selected from personnel of the 92d Infantry Division at Fort Huachuca, Arizona.
The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion

I wonder shy Jo copied your second fact, but not your first?

Yes, I did bold the 1940 part. It is key after all and a factual part of history.

If a person can't be trusted with this facts and has to deny them, what can they be trusted with?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Finally U comprehended what I was telling you. The 555's were NOT smoke jumpers.

Read this book:
Tall Timber Pilots:
In this book you will learn a lot!

The first organized fire jump in the United States was at 3:57 p.m. July 12, 1940. Deep in the Nez Perce National Forest in Idaho. His name was Rufus Robinson. This was recorded in 1953 not mumbo jumbo that has gotten confused by computer writers in the last 60 yrs.

This is why I argued with you because I knew the history. You are reading and trying to catch up with articles on the computer.

Earl Cooley made the second jump.

So pleased with the results of the EXPERIMENTS the Forestry service recommended that actual smoke jumping operations be undertaken in 1940. A report was sent to WA. assuring the higher-ups "there was NO evidence of fear or panicky state of mind even in FIRST-TIME jumpers"

In 1941 Frank Derry started to train 7 young men at the Winthrop Base and the project leader for Region One. Then that project Leader (Art Cochrane) and Derry went to Missoula to train the 1st squad in Missoula.

The 555's were NOT Smokejumpers, but brought to the REGION because of the Balloon Bombs. The 555 was completely unaware of how to jump in the heavy timbers of the N.W.

1943 Duane Weber is in Camp Siebert doing CWF.

1943 The 555 is in training at Ft Benning

1944 The 555 is sent to WA.

1945 The 555 and forestry and specially trained young men begin the search for Balloon Bombs One of the Balloon Bombs was found in Nevada.

January 1945 - Duane is sentenced to McNeal in WA. But the family made arrangements the system did NOT want to acknowledge. Duane's ID stated he was 4 yrs older than he actually was. Duane even per the FBI only passed thru McNeil, but the files are forever lost other than a summary that contradicts what the FBI said and what the family has affirmed.

January 1945 - Duane was NOT old enough to be sent to McNeil, but the system was the system.
The family with the help of Duane's Uncle somehow made special arrangements. Even the FBI used the words "Passed Thru McNeil" - yet the file does NOT state how he was held or where or in what capacity...the back-up had been destroyed after 30 or 40 yrs.

1944/45 -(check the census for the exact dates) Duane's Uncle is called up for the second time - yet the war was winding down. The reason he was called up - was his background in the development of the chemical warfare.

His family lived in Montebello, CA.

How much closer do you guys want me to put Duane in relation to Derry & The Flying Johnsons.

Maybe the Geestmans are connected also - you think? Now wouldn’t' that be a real twist!

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Jo, I fully understand that the Smoke Jumpers Started testing in 1939 and did fight their first fire in 1940, jumping into it.

Wrong:

Correct Answer -The first organized fire jump in the United States was at 3:57 p.m. July 12, 1940. Deep in the Nez Perce National Forest in Idaho. His name was Rufus Robinson.



Wrong 2 Times:

Correct Answer - In 1941 Frank Derry started to train 7 young men at the Winthrop Base and the project leader for Region One. Then that project Leader (Art Cochrane) and Derry went to Missoula to train the 1st squad in Missoula.

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Jo, I fully understand that the Smoke Jumpers Started testing in 1939 and did fight their first fire in 1940, jumping into it.

Wrong:

Correct Answer -The first organized fire jump in the United States was at 3:57 p.m. July 12, 1940. Deep in the Nez Perce National Forest in Idaho. His name was Rufus Robinson.First Live Fire Fighting Jump, to be clear.



Wrong 2 Times:

Correct Answer - In 1941 Frank Derry started to train 7 young men at the Winthrop Base and the project leader for Region One. Then that project Leader (Art Cochrane) and Derry went to Missoula to train the 1st squad in Missoula.

This is documented history of the USFS SJ's, point?


Are your kidding me?

Jo, your comprehension on this is baffling. They TESTED the concept in 1939, then used it live in 1940. We are reading the same text, read it again!

The 555th arrived in the NW in May of 1945, read it again!

It means nothing since Duane was not with them! And even if he was you can't learn the skills needed to be at the level required to pull of the highjacking, by observation! The person who did the highjacking had Skills, a certain set of skills.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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I wonder shy Jo copied your second fact, but not your first?

Yes, I did bold the 1940 part. It is key after all and a factual part of history.

If a person can't be trusted with this facts and has to deny them, what can they be trusted with?

Matt

I was NOT quoting from the same article - I was quoting from the book! We just happened to have been on the same page and you will note there is a big difference between a book and a computer where the information has been twisted and / or forgotten by the the young person who is doing the computer programming.

[RED]I WASN'T READING THE SAME THING YOU GUYS WERE READING - THOSE STATEMENTS COME OUT OF A BOOK WRITTEN IN 1953.[/RED]

Tall Timber Pilots

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Finally U comprehended what I was telling you. The 555's were NOT smoke jumpers.

Read this book:
Tall Timber Pilots:
In this book you will learn a lot!

The first organized fire jump in the United States was at 3:57 p.m. July 12, 1940. Deep in the Nez Perce National Forest in Idaho. His name was Rufus Robinson. This was recorded in 1953 not mumbo jumbo that has gotten confused by computer writers in the last 60 yrs.

This is why I argued with you because I knew the history. You are reading and trying to catch up with articles on the computer.

Earl Cooley made the second jump.

So pleased with the results of the EXPERIMENTS the Forestry service recommended that actual smoke jumping operations be undertaken in 1940. A report was sent to WA. assuring the higher-ups "there was NO evidence of fear or panicky state of mind even in FIRST-TIME jumpers"

In 1941 Frank Derry started to train 7 young men at the Winthrop Base and the project leader for Region One. Then that project Leader (Art Cochrane) and Derry went to Missoula to train the 1st squad in Missoula.

The 555's were NOT Smokejumpers, but brought to the REGION because of the Balloon Bombs. The 555 was completely unaware of how to jump in the heavy timbers of the N.W.

1943 Duane Weber is in Camp Siebert doing CWF.

1943 The 555 is in training at Ft Benning

1944 The 555 is sent to WA.

1945 The 555 and forestry and specially trained young men begin the search for Balloon Bombs One of the Balloon Bombs was found in Nevada.

January 1945 - Duane is sentenced to McNeal in WA. But the family made arrangements the system did NOT want to acknowledge. Duane's ID stated he was 4 yrs older than he actually was. Duane even per the FBI only passed thru McNeil, but the files are forever lost other than a summary that contradicts what the FBI said and what the family has affirmed.

January 1945 - Duane was NOT old enough to be sent to McNeil, but the system was the system.
The family with the help of Duane's Uncle somehow made special arrangements. Even the FBI used the words "Passed Thru McNeil" - yet the file does NOT state how he was held or where or in what capacity...the back-up had been destroyed after 30 or 40 yrs.

1944/45 -(check the census for the exact dates) Duane's Uncle is called up for the second time - yet the war was winding down. The reason he was called up - was his background in the development of the chemical warfare.

His family lived in Montebello, CA.

How much closer do you guys want me to put Duane in relation to Derry & The Flying Johnsons.

Maybe the Geestmans are connected also - you think? Now wouldn’t' that be a real twist!

Jo, that jump did not just happen out of thin air! It was not a "hey guys here is an idea!" moment and then they loaded up in a plane and went to a fire! That happens after the testing of the theory! that happened in 1939!

So Dreery taught a SQUAD OF USFS Firefighters in 1941, OK, now what? (Maybe you should scan this books relevant pages, including the pre 1940 stuff)

Still, you can't learn freefall jump skills, WATCHING static line jumpers.

It take mastery of those skills, a certain set of skills!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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I wonder shy Jo copied your second fact, but not your first?

Yes, I did bold the 1940 part. It is key after all and a factual part of history.

If a person can't be trusted with this facts and has to deny them, what can they be trusted with?

Matt

I was NOT quoting from the same article - I was quoting from the book! We just happened to have been on the same page and you will note there is a big difference between a book and a computer where the information has been twisted and / or forgotten by the the young person who is doing the computer programming.

[RED]I WASN'T READING THE SAME THING YOU GUYS WERE READING - THOSE STATEMENTS COME OUT OF A BOOK WRITTEN IN 1953.[/RED]

Tall Timber Pilots

Can you post the full of the text from page 124 please?

Matt

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So which one is right? The book or the computer - I will wager the book is accurate. So who is taking the bets and what will you bet - a trip to WA for "shy"JO.


Well, I am old and I do not like computer researches and I make mistakes due to my age, but in 1996 - you would not have been able to match me. "shy" Jo is the reason the FL. Real Estate Exam is so hard - yea, if I had not erased to correct answers it would have been a perfect score.

BRAGGING RIGHTS - The moderator told me it was so HIGH they actually looked at the answer card - that is how they found the 2 erasures. This was before the state went to computers.

My age and my health have caught up with me so I do make mistakes. I had found my materials - the book has all kinds of stickies in it. This was one of those pages with a sticky.

Also for YOUR INFORMATION I read this book yrs ago. Sluggo gave it to me when he came to visit. Was that 5 or 4 yrs ago?

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Jo, there are just as many books out there that give bad information/ advise etc, every website is not being "built" by some young kid? hundreds of thousands of sites are built by people with knowledge in the site itself, I'm not saying every website is accurate but you can't really compare the two.

are we to stop putting links up anymore?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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So which one is right? The book or the computer - I will wager the book is accurate. So who is taking the bets and what will you bet - a trip to WA for "shy"JO.


Well, I am old and I do not like computer researches and I make mistakes due to my age, but in 1996 - you would not have been able to match me. "shy" Jo is the reason the FL. Real Estate Exam is so hard - yea, if I had not erased to correct answers it would have been a perfect score.

BRAGGING RIGHTS - The moderator told me it was so HIGH they actually looked at the answer card - that is how they found the 2 erasures. This was before the state went to computers.

My age and my health have caught up with me so I do make mistakes. I had found my materials - the book has all kinds of stickies in it. This was one of those pages with a sticky.

Also for YOUR INFORMATION I read this book yrs ago. Sluggo gave it to me when he came to visit. Was that 5 or 4 yrs ago?

I will go with the USFS Smoke Jumpers Info.

The web page quoted the book!You quoted the book. But must not understand they made a "live", real, fire jump in 1940. You don't just do that with out testing. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

It takes a person with certain skills to do what they did. Trained, Practiced, Perfected, and Maintained, HANDS ON SKILLS.

The 555th when they arrived in the NW in May of 1945, had to add to their already established parachuting skills.

Yet, this still does not equate to the skills needed to be the hijacker.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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YA! Cooper didn't have a "crotch protector" like the smoke jumpers did

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Page 124: Remember I am typing this on a very old keyboard.

Just a summary!
Not the Whole text - what are you fishing for.

1939 The Flying Johnson Service was well experienced in delivering firefighters and their equipment, cauallty-free onto cramped back-country strips.

Howard Flint concieved the idea of smokejumping because of the delays in getting the guys to the fires.

A period between Oct 5 and Nov 15 decided to experiment in the deliver of fighters to fires via airplane and chute.

Location selected for this was Chelan National forest in WA.
Harold C. King was the engineer-pilot.

Eagle Parachute Company provided the Chutes, protective clothing and riggers and jumpers. Frank Derry was head rigger and jumper Glenn Smith as assistant. Franks' borthers, Chet and Virgil Derry, Richard Tuttle and Allen Honey were the jumpers.

Experimenting is the KEY word here. A lot of tests with dummy chutes 28 foot condemned military silk canopy with a 150 pound sand dummy attached.

END of Summary:

NOTE: PAGE 126 picture of Jack Nash and Fred Brauer

Highlighted and jumps off the page:

"Of these, eight were first jumps by forest officers. NO ACTUAL FIRE JUMPS WERE MADE IN THIS YR OF EXPERIMENT".

Last Paragraph - Quoted word for word out of the book.

NOW FIND OUT WHO IS RIGHT - THE BOOK IS RIGHT!

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The Forest Service began with experimental trials here in the fall of 1939. These early jumps proved that firefighters could safely parachute into the rugged timbered mountains to suppress wildfires, minimizing suppression cost and the loss of timber resources. Today the Department of Agriculture-Forest Service and the Department of the Interior-Bureau of Land Management have almost 400 smokejumpers at nine primary locations in the western United States and Alaska. The North Cascades Smokejumper Base provides initial fire attack for the forests of central and northern Washington State.


[BLUE] Read what is written and the read the personal accountings. The Forest Service began experimenting, but that was all. There were NO smokejumpers. There is a book you need to acquire - I will find it later and give you the title and it is very old. It tells all about these early days of experiments with Derry.
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The company was officially activated on 30 December 1943 at Fort Benning, Georgia. After several months of training, the unit moved to Camp Mackall, North Carolina, where it was reorganized and redesignated on 25 November 1944 as Company A of the newly-activated 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion

Do you understand English? the 555 was not activated as smokejumpers. read your BLACK history and absorb it.

The 555th PIB disagrees with you BTW.

"The battalion did not serve overseas during World War II. One of the reasons for this decision dealt with the issue of segregation. European theater commanders "simply had no use" for the Black jumpers. The Asian theater was a different matter. Members of the 555 hoped to get into the war against the Japanese. According to Sgt Walter Morris "It was a secret mission called Operation Firefly. We thought we were going overseas to [Gen. Douglas] MacArthur's theater". It wasn't until they arrived in Oregon, in May 1945 that they learned they'd be fighting the Japanese on the fire line in the Western United States.[1]

During the winter of 1944–45, the Japanese sent 9000 fire balloons toward the western coast of North America. It was believed 1000 succeeded in reaching the United States, and 300 were witnessed. After three days, each balloon dropped an incendiary bomb.[2] In order to conceal the efficacy of these attacks, the missions of the 555th was kept clandestine in nature. In addition to fires started by the enemy incendiary devices, the 555th fought numerous other forest fires. Stationed at Pendleton Field (site of initial training for the Doolittle's raid on Japan) Oregon, with a detachment in Chico, California, unit members courageously participated in dangerous fire-fighting missions throughout the Pacific Northwest during the summer and fall of 1945. The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945.

The 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion was nicknamed the "Triple Nickles" because of its numerical designation and the selection of 17 of the original 20-member "colored test platoon" from the 92nd Infantry (Buffalo) Division. Hence, the origin of the term Buffalo Nickles; the spelling derives from old English. Three buffalo nickels joined in a triangle or pyramid is the identifying symbol.[3]

Soon after returning to Camp Mackall in October 1945, the 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion was transferred to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, its home for the next two years. During this period the unit was attached to the elite 82d Airborne Division. When the battalion was inactivated on 15 December 1947, most of its personnel were reassigned to the division's organic 3d Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment"

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Page 124: Remember I am typing this on a very old keyboard.

Just a summary!
Not the Whole text - what are you fishing for.

1939 The Flying Johnson Service was well experienced in delivering firefighters and their equipment, cauallty-free onto cramped back-country strips.

Howard Flint concieved the idea of smokejumping because of the delays in getting the guys to the fires.

A period between Oct 5 and Nov 15 decided to experiment in the deliver of fighters to fires via airplane and chute.

Location selected for this was Chelan National forest in WA.
Harold C. King was the engineer-pilot.

Eagle Parachute Company provided the Chutes, protective clothing and riggers and jumpers. Frank Derry was head rigger and jumper Glenn Smith as assitant. Franks' borthers, Chet and Virgil Derry, Richard Tuttle and Alen Honey were the jumpers.

Experimenting is the KEY word here. A lot of test with dummy chutes 28 foot condemned military silk canpop with a 150 pound dand dummy attached.

END of Summary:

NOTE: PAGE 126 picture of Jack Nash and Fred Brauer

Highlighted and jumps off the page:

"Of these, eight were first jumps by forest officers. NO ACTUAL FIRE JUMPS WERE MADE IN THIS YR OF EXPERIMENT".

Last Paragraph - Quoted word for word out of the book

EXACTLY!!! THANK YOU, JO!

But the whole text, as opposed to a summary, would take out any bias.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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"The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945."

I disagree with this Statement above. I was under the impression they were NOT called the Triple Nickles until 1945, but a division of the 555 and did NOT earn the nickname Smoke Jumpers nor get the official name of "Triple Nickles" until 1945 during the Balloon Bomb searches.

If you want it scanned you will need to pay for it. I have to go someplace and they do it for me, but then the page is usually too big to post.

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"The group engaged in over 1200 missions, earning the nickname "Smoke Jumpers" in addition to "Triple Nickles." The only fatality in the unit died while jumping on 6 August 1945."

I disagree with this Statement above. I was under the impression they were NOT called the Triple Nickles until 1945, but a division of the 555 and did NOT earn the nickname Smoke Jumpers nor get the official name of "Triple Nickles" until 1945 during the Balloon Bomb searches.

If you want it scanned you will need to pay for it. I have to go someplace and they do it for me, but then the page is usually too big to post.

Jo, they are the entire 555th PIB, three 5's, they got called the Triple Nickles when stood up as a Company in 1943. They started as a Company, then grew to a Battalion, they are their entire unit the 555th PIB "The Triple Nickles". They earned the additional nickname in 1945, since that was what they happened to be doing. You can disagree all you want, but your "impression" is not inline with history and fact.

I will take their word, over yours or mine, in regards to their history.

I need not have a scan, the summary vindicated me nicely, thank you.

Now since that is all settled, lets move on and back to "Cooper", sound good?

None of the Parachuting we have discussed at this point is Feefall. The only real skill from the Static Line method we can transfer, in this particular case, is the Rough Terrain training. Maybe some spotting, but modified, maybe some equipment handling, but modified as well, definitely the landings though.

So now the "Cooper" suspect will need to add to this skill of landing in trees, he needs freefall training.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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So Duane was in prison in January of 1945? But hten got transferred to CA?

The 555th arrived from NC to the NW in May of 1945. I see a small time line issue.

Matt

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Jo Said:
I disagree with this Statement above. I was under the impression they were NOT called the Triple Nickles until 1945, but a division of the 555 and did NOT earn the nickname Smoke Jumpers nor get the official name of "Triple Nickles" until 1945 during the Balloon Bomb searches.

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Jo, they are the entire 555th PIB, three 5's, they got called the Triple Nickles when stood up as a Company in 1943. They started as a Company, then grew to a Battalion, they are their entire unit the 555th PIB "The Triple Nickles". They earned the additional nickname in 1945, since that was what they happened to be doing. You can disagree all you want, but your "impression" is not inline with history and fact.

I will take their word, over yours or mine, in regards to their history.

I need not have a scan, the summary vindicated me nicely, thank you.

You know you are a REAL JERK!
You take what I say and twist the words to make it sound like I was wrong and you were right - when we are both saying the same thing. We are both stating they did not become known as The Nickles" until 1945.

The summary indicated we both were saying the same thing, but you had certain things wrong because of how they have come down thru the yrs. Stories handed down thru the generations get changed here and there.

The book was written in 1953 - your infomation was put on the computer and some of it is different than the same information was just a few yrs ago.

If I was a gambler - I would stack the memories from the 1940's told in 1953 to two writers only 13 yrs after the fact (most of the contributing individuals were still live) against the same stories told after 2000 (approx) to several individuals about what happened 50 yrs ago.

In this day of computers it all about who has the best not about finding commonalities that will produce real results. You act just like FBI and all you want to do is TWIST this to meet your protocol. Two different stories saying the same thing, but with some differences.

I printed out all of the jumper sites several yrs ago and what little was available in 1998 was printed out for me by a friend. Certain facts got changed along the way...as the sites developed and changed. Some removed and some new.

Certain "facts" got change along the way - such as who made the 1st experimental jump in 1939. OK, Smarty Pants! Seems like there are at least 2 different names and someone just threw me 3rd.

You are a young disrespectful jerk who only wants to make yourself look BIG while belittling others...over facts that do not mean diddly squat regarding the end results.

It was important to establish the dates and what happened during those time spans -who did what first is NOT important to solving this case.

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I am not lecturing him - he has a lot of misinformation, but is the same information past down for 60 yrs now - things change.

For Matt's information I have no idea what is going on in the video's as I cannot down load them. I only have dial-up. Would love it if someone would put them on a disk and send them to me. The written word and still pics are all I can do.

Don't tell me to go to a library - we barely have one and I live a fairly private life - so would not ask anyone locally to do it for me.

I am NOT lecturing Matt on parachuting, but on his sources.
I have always said I know NOTHING about parachuting and why I came to the DZ was for that reason. Matt did finally realize after reading that the 555's did have to obtain some additional training after arriving in WA in 1945. Nothing they had been trained for prepared them for what was ahead of them (one of the 555's said just about these same words).

Your question was what in my background made me qualified to lecture Matt on military parachuting...I just provided him with a lesson about respect for research. His experience was not in the 1940's - he did NOT take that into account. I don't care if he is an aerial jumper - we have a couple of those lofting around and they don't blow and puff up tooting their words and know how like Matt did.

Matt was not around in 1940 - in fact he was NOT even BORN YET. Jump training changed and Matt hopefully just learned a valuable HISTORY LESSON.

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So Duane was in prison in January of 1945? But he got transferred to CA?

The 555th arrived from NC to the NW in May of 1945. I see a small time line issue.

Matt

THERE YOU go AGAIN you young SQUIRT.

Duane was sent to Mc Neil in Jan of 1945, BUT the family and intervened - The ID the state of CA had shown Duane 4 yrs older than the actually was. This is reflected in the files. His sentence was handed down in CA.
Why they were sending him to WA to prison is unknown, but perhaps how they did it in the day. Duane was NOT 24 as the records showed - he was only 19.

The 555 arrived in 1944 in WA or perhaps it was meant they just received orders - NOT 1945- where the hell did you get that info? By the end of 1945 is was all history.

You have an issue with details - or your source has date issues. Do you know when you were born?

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was his crime a Federal crime? If so they can pick the prison they want to go to, If it is a State offence you then stay in the State where the crime was committed.

when you are tried and convicted in a State, another state is not going to pick up the tab unlike a Federal crime.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

This is there website. read the history section 1944-1945

Also not mentioned was the 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion. By now they knew that they had acquired a new, temporary nickname, the "Smoke Jumpers", and that it would be part of the highly secret project known more officially as "Operation Firefly".

http://www.triplenickle.com/smokejumpers.htm

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI