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mrshutter45 21
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Do not forget to factor in the winds that night and the card was very light - could have blown miles to the West. Too difficult to function to night, but I am trying to read all of the posts.
Blown against the supposed winds? HUH?
Stop commenting Bob, you have more wind than the Hurricane coming to South Florida, your "truth" has been uncovered and found to be "false" I have someone who wants to talk to you about your "truth and satisfying feeling"
you can no longer use the whistleblower status only on here Bob!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."
Marilyn Monroe
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Blevins: Of all the people you could have quoted, why Marilyn Monroe? You know she had to sleep with her lesbian producer one time to get the part. I love Marilyn, she's an Amerian icon, the first playboy centerfold, she was smarter than she was ever given credit for. But you are hurting for credibility here Blevins...try to put our best foot forward...maybe try quoting Einstein or Mark Twain or some famous playwright. Not so, you chose Marilyn Monroe -- the proverbial scholar and stateman (or statesperson, rather).
Marilyn Monroe
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Blevins: Of all the people you could have quoted, why Marilyn Monroe? You know she had to sleep with her lesbian producer one time to get the part. I love Marilyn, she's an Amerian icon, the first playboy centerfold, she was smarter than she was ever given credit for. But you are hurting for credibility here Blevins...try to put our best foot forward...maybe try quoting Einstein or Mark Twain or some famous playwright. Not so, you chose Marilyn Monroe -- the proverbial scholar and stateman (or statesperson, rather).
mrshutter45 21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIX3p-1tOik
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Farflung 0
Here’s another perspective of this undamaged parachute which has been EXPOSED…. SHOCKINGLY AND FIRST by RobertMBlevins, author, five time winner of the Buckeye Newshawk Award and amateur expert on the decay of biodegradable fabrics stored in an anaerobic environment:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/17000841.html?tab=video&c=y
Check the video at (1:20-1:30) and (1:38-1:48). Then decide for yourself.
Once again, RobertMBlevins has expertly identified an FBI cover up. The nation maintains its nonplussed posture fully aware of the source.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/17000841.html?tab=video&c=y
Check the video at (1:20-1:30) and (1:38-1:48). Then decide for yourself.
Once again, RobertMBlevins has expertly identified an FBI cover up. The nation maintains its nonplussed posture fully aware of the source.
Farflung 0
You’re the self proclaimed expert on this subject RobertMBlevins and have repeatedly yelled upon the mountain top how the FBI has failed. Here are some points I noticed:
1. This report was published 25 March 2008. Within a week or two of the discovery.
2. KOMO is a Seattle station which should be viewed by people living in the area (code for RobertMBlevins) who were able to see the chute first.
3. Agent Carr is asking the public for help.
4. Agent Carr is open with the information, calling the chute ‘fragile to the touch’.
I don’t see what the FBI did so poorly other than……. NOT issue a statement that it was obviously a parachute used by a former Northwest purser who was DB Cooper, and Tom Kaye is a smart guy, right or wrong. Additionally the FBI would like to declare the 25th of March, RobertMBlevins day, while simultaneously renaming the millennium ‘Blevins’, thus making today: August 22nd Blevins12.
Am I missing anything here?
1. This report was published 25 March 2008. Within a week or two of the discovery.
2. KOMO is a Seattle station which should be viewed by people living in the area (code for RobertMBlevins) who were able to see the chute first.
3. Agent Carr is asking the public for help.
4. Agent Carr is open with the information, calling the chute ‘fragile to the touch’.
I don’t see what the FBI did so poorly other than……. NOT issue a statement that it was obviously a parachute used by a former Northwest purser who was DB Cooper, and Tom Kaye is a smart guy, right or wrong. Additionally the FBI would like to declare the 25th of March, RobertMBlevins day, while simultaneously renaming the millennium ‘Blevins’, thus making today: August 22nd Blevins12.
Am I missing anything here?
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Any chance that chute could have belonged to Geestman?
Or to a woman driving 8 Clydesdales a breast.
Breasts that big might require a parachute?
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smokin99 0
QuoteShow me where the chute is 'tattered in places'. Did you see this? Do the pictures presented in the parking garage at the Seattle FBI show this? I can answer that: They do not.
The pictures are not the only source to view. Does this video show tattered cloth in places? I can answer that. Yes it does. At about .24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAW80de3EUk
QuoteYour silk found at archeological digs was probably dry and well-preserved.
Like I said - the article said the items were exposed to the elements. I'm not arguing this. I'm not saying silk is not biodegradable. I'm not saying that buried silk won't rot. I'm not even saying the chute is silk. What I'm saying is that until you or someone else personally examines the chute, YOU or they are NOT in a position to determine the makeup of said chute.
You can speculate and you might be correct in regards to the long term effects of being buried in WA on silk , but it's still just speculation.
...You know, the fact that this chute was buried when it was found does not preclude the possibility that it was found in Grandpa's attic 5 years ago and buried then.
QuoteMost of the news articles about the FBI's dismissal of the Amboy chute say that they TALKED to other experts after consulting Cossey. This implies none of these 'experts' were allowed to actually SEE the chute. As I said, none are named.
And some say consulted. This implies ...well...consulting. And there might be reasons they didn't name them... Some folks actually don't want to get dragged into this. Go figure.
QuoteThe whole thing might boil down to some old cargo chute from decades ago. But the problem is the Seattle FBI's handling of the Amboy chute investigation. The answer on whether it is Cooper's or not can be easily discovered with a proper, independent investigation. Not by me, but by parachute experts who are (publicly) provided all info known on the original Cooper jumped with. Is that REALLY too much to ask? I think not.
The Seattle FBI botched the PR angle on this one. They can fix it easily and put any questions to rest...and IMHO they should. I've already said how.
As I'm sure you're aware, the FBI doesn't have to answer to the public on this. Second, seems as far as they are concerned there is no problem - they have investigated, determined that it wasn't the chute (you imply it wasn't a proper investigation - I don't know how in the world you determined that). Now it appears they are done with the chute.
Maybe I imagined it, but I got the sense from various interviews and videos that at first they were actually excited that it might be Cooper's. So it's possible that they they were actually disappointed that it turned out not to be. Might have made them do a proper investigation. Just saying...
Edited to add.....FWIW, I was disappointed with the way the chute find turned out also - and I still want to know more information about the skull that was discovered years ago. If they ever do let you in the circle of trust ask about that for us.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
smokin99 0
QuoteWhy do I quote Marilyn in my signature? Cause I liked her too, I guess...
Marilyn Monroe...what a waste... she'd be 86 if she had lived.
Wonder what she'd look like today if she'd followed maybe just a couple of rules --- you know the kind a good mama or real friend might have told her about. Maybe one like it might not be wise to get romantically involved with married politicians that are connected to the mob.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lsZ6TGZ44g&feature=related
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Farflung 0
I don’t see how with such little information, a person can be accused of being an accomplice to a hijacking, using an Airstream trailer (where there was no buttseks), yet with a manufacture date, stamp font and serial number on the Amboy chute - nothing is known. If Bernie can be condemned with such scant data, why can’t the same ‘super dicks’ figure out the provenance of that near perfect canopy? I’m so perplexed. OK, that last part was a lie.
I checked some images of various parachute makers and found the serialization of the things to be pretty standard with six digits. That’s great, at least with a VIN you could ID the builder and plant with some options, no so with these chutes. But the stamped data had different fonts and formats (June 1944, Jun 3 1944, Jun 44, etc.). Could this be a clue? I have no idea, but did notice that one company used the same format and numbers (like the 1 having a serif and no foot) so I figured I would offer this to greater minds to ponder (code for the 99’s). Below is a list of parachute manufacturers, which I’m sure is woefully incomplete, from the 40’s.
National Automotive Fibres Inc.
Switlik
Pioneer Parachute Co.
Vanity Fair
Reliance Co.
Simmons Co.
Atlantic Rayon Co.
Hayes Manufacturing Co.
Fashion Frocks Inc. of Cincinnati, Ohio
Standard Parachute Corporation
M. Steinthal and Company
The company which had a stamp that closely matched the Amboy canopy was named ‘Vanity Fair’. So I thought I would prime the pump with this suggestion and see what is discovered. Compared to identifying Cooper this should be easy. Something tells me it is going to be a bitch.
I checked some images of various parachute makers and found the serialization of the things to be pretty standard with six digits. That’s great, at least with a VIN you could ID the builder and plant with some options, no so with these chutes. But the stamped data had different fonts and formats (June 1944, Jun 3 1944, Jun 44, etc.). Could this be a clue? I have no idea, but did notice that one company used the same format and numbers (like the 1 having a serif and no foot) so I figured I would offer this to greater minds to ponder (code for the 99’s). Below is a list of parachute manufacturers, which I’m sure is woefully incomplete, from the 40’s.
National Automotive Fibres Inc.
Switlik
Pioneer Parachute Co.
Vanity Fair
Reliance Co.
Simmons Co.
Atlantic Rayon Co.
Hayes Manufacturing Co.
Fashion Frocks Inc. of Cincinnati, Ohio
Standard Parachute Corporation
M. Steinthal and Company
The company which had a stamp that closely matched the Amboy canopy was named ‘Vanity Fair’. So I thought I would prime the pump with this suggestion and see what is discovered. Compared to identifying Cooper this should be easy. Something tells me it is going to be a bitch.
georger 244
I'm not even saying the chute is silk.
The identification of silk can be made by an
amateur in less than 15 seconds, if you know what
to look for/ what to do. (repost from years ago!)
(every kid in 1955 with a Gilbert chemistry set tested for silk! Page 13 of the manual).
silk has a different feel, weight, and loft vs. nylon.
catch-o-the-day.
Robert99 50
QuoteI don’t see how with such little information, a person can be accused of being an accomplice to a hijacking, using an Airstream trailer (where there was no buttseks), yet with a manufacture date, stamp font and serial number on the Amboy chute - nothing is known. If Bernie can be condemned with such scant data, why can’t the same ‘super dicks’ figure out the provenance of that near perfect canopy? I’m so perplexed. OK, that last part was a lie.
I checked some images of various parachute makers and found the serialization of the things to be pretty standard with six digits. That’s great, at least with a VIN you could ID the builder and plant with some options, no so with these chutes. But the stamped data had different fonts and formats (June 1944, Jun 3 1944, Jun 44, etc.). Could this be a clue? I have no idea, but did notice that one company used the same format and numbers (like the 1 having a serif and no foot) so I figured I would offer this to greater minds to ponder (code for the 99’s). Below is a list of parachute manufacturers, which I’m sure is woefully incomplete, from the 40’s.
National Automotive Fibres Inc.
Switlik
Pioneer Parachute Co.
Vanity Fair
Reliance Co.
Simmons Co.
Atlantic Rayon Co.
Hayes Manufacturing Co.
Fashion Frocks Inc. of Cincinnati, Ohio
Standard Parachute Corporation
M. Steinthal and Company
The company which had a stamp that closely matched the Amboy canopy was named ‘Vanity Fair’. So I thought I would prime the pump with this suggestion and see what is discovered. Compared to identifying Cooper this should be easy. Something tells me it is going to be a bitch.
Forget the 99s, I think this calls for Mrshutter45 to see if he can trace a fabric or clothing manufacturer the same way he did with the tie pin.
Switlik, Pioneer, and Steinthal are parachute manufacturers that I have heard of who produce parachutes of their own design. I don't immediately recognize the Standard Parachute Corporation name, but it apparently is a old time parachute manufacturing company also.
I don't recognize any of the other names, but my guess is that during the war effort they acted as sub-contractors or licensed manufacturers to the major prewar parachute companys. So prior to WW2, these companys were probably clothing manufacturers, seat cover(?) manufacturers, or other such things.
Vanity Fair may have been just such a clothing manufacturer whose machinery was also used to make parachutes or parachute components.
Does Mrshutter45 have any experience or knowledge of the clothing industry during the WW2 era?
Robert99
smokin99 0
Forget the 99s, I think this calls for Mrshutter45 to see if he can trace a fabric or clothing manufacturer the same way he did with the tie pin.
Switlik, Pioneer, and Steinthal are parachute manufacturers that I have heard of who produce parachutes of their own design. I don't immediately recognize the Standard Parachute Corporation name, but it apparently is a old time parachute manufacturing company also.
I don't recognize any of the other names, but my guess is that during the war effort they acted as sub-contractors or licensed manufacturers to the major prewar parachute companys. So prior to WW2, these companys were probably clothing manufacturers, seat cover(?) manufacturers, or other such things.
Vanity Fair may have been just such a clothing manufacturer whose machinery was also used to make parachutes or parachute components.
Does Mrshutter45 have any experience or knowledge of the clothing industry during the WW2 era?
Robert99
Well here's a quick and easy start - You might know that Farflung would hone in on the lingerie company.
http://vintagefashionguild.org/label-resource/vanity-fair/ Note the year they announce they would be using nylon exclusively for their products. Course that could be girdles instead of parachutes. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Robert99 50
QuoteForget the 99s, I think this calls for Mrshutter45 to see if he can trace a fabric or clothing manufacturer the same way he did with the tie pin.
Switlik, Pioneer, and Steinthal are parachute manufacturers that I have heard of who produce parachutes of their own design. I don't immediately recognize the Standard Parachute Corporation name, but it apparently is a old time parachute manufacturing company also.
I don't recognize any of the other names, but my guess is that during the war effort they acted as sub-contractors or licensed manufacturers to the major prewar parachute companys. So prior to WW2, these companys were probably clothing manufacturers, seat cover(?) manufacturers, or other such things.
Vanity Fair may have been just such a clothing manufacturer whose machinery was also used to make parachutes or parachute components.
Does Mrshutter45 have any experience or knowledge of the clothing industry during the WW2 era?
Robert99
Well here's a quick and easy start - You might know that Farflung would hone in on the lingerie company.
http://vintagefashionguild.org/label-resource/vanity-fair/ Note the year they announce they would be using nylon exclusively for their products. Course that could be girdles instead of parachutes. Fast job Smokin. The 5th paragraph down explains about most longerie companies, including Vanity Fair, switching to parachute manufacturing during WW2. And about the introduction of Nylon as well.
Robert99
Farflung 0
I guess I don’t understand this whole Amboy chute thing, because all roads lead to a dead end. If there was to ever be anything resembling a test protocol, analysis process or logic tree; the end users would be stuck going to the same point.
The chute is silk? Yes or No
If yes, THEN what? If no, THEN what? The material of the chute was identified by the rigger, and the rigger was Earl Cossey. So if the chute is Nylon, THEN have Cossey ID it? Bzzzzt…. He already looked at the thing and said it wasn’t Cooper’s chute. So what’s the next step?
The chute is a Pioneer C26, constructed under military contract MIL STD O9857467XXXX and weighs 5.732487 pounds. THEN ask Cossey to ID it and hey says - it’s still NOT Cooper’s chute.
The only options appear to be Cossey, who said it aint duh one. Or Hayden, who owns a Pioneer made in the late 50’s, which is not in alignment with being the sister chute to the Amboy artifact.
With all the gnashing of venom dripping fangs and abject scorn for the FBI, I simply don’t see what could be benefitted by living with and feeding the Amboy chute, then putting it under an electron microscope. The source validation already ruled and said NO. Perhaps it would be better to try and lure Cossey to that flea bag ‘Motel Puyallup’ and give him the third degree, Indian burns and make him drink a Slushie very, very quickly. Oh, I’ll guarantee he’ll ID that chute then. Cuz that’s the only way any of this effort would change anything. What am I missing here?
The chute is silk? Yes or No
If yes, THEN what? If no, THEN what? The material of the chute was identified by the rigger, and the rigger was Earl Cossey. So if the chute is Nylon, THEN have Cossey ID it? Bzzzzt…. He already looked at the thing and said it wasn’t Cooper’s chute. So what’s the next step?
The chute is a Pioneer C26, constructed under military contract MIL STD O9857467XXXX and weighs 5.732487 pounds. THEN ask Cossey to ID it and hey says - it’s still NOT Cooper’s chute.
The only options appear to be Cossey, who said it aint duh one. Or Hayden, who owns a Pioneer made in the late 50’s, which is not in alignment with being the sister chute to the Amboy artifact.
With all the gnashing of venom dripping fangs and abject scorn for the FBI, I simply don’t see what could be benefitted by living with and feeding the Amboy chute, then putting it under an electron microscope. The source validation already ruled and said NO. Perhaps it would be better to try and lure Cossey to that flea bag ‘Motel Puyallup’ and give him the third degree, Indian burns and make him drink a Slushie very, very quickly. Oh, I’ll guarantee he’ll ID that chute then. Cuz that’s the only way any of this effort would change anything. What am I missing here?
Ladywolf 0
Hello. I've posted about this already, but this is the first "hit' I've been sent. Is anyone "out there" who remembers Eric and knows more about the circumstances of his death? I'm an old (OLD) school friend and we lost touch long ago; then I heard last year that he had died, and I've been wondering ever since what happened. Can't even find an obit after so much time has passed. If you can help me out, I would really appreciate it.
Maureen
ldywolfdancer@aol.com
Maureen
ldywolfdancer@aol.com
georger 244
QuoteHello. I've posted about this already, but this is the first "hit' I've been sent. Is anyone "out there" who remembers Eric and knows more about the circumstances of his death? I'm an old (OLD) school friend and we lost touch long ago; then I heard last year that he had died, and I've been wondering ever since what happened. Can't even find an obit after so much time has passed. If you can help me out, I would really appreciate it.
Maureen
ldywolfdancer@aol.com
your previous post in another thread -
Hello. I'm new here; I'm posting in the hope that someone here might remember an old friend of mine with whom I lost touch many years ago. I learned last year that he had died in a skydiving accident and that really is all I know. The circumstances of the accident sound a little unusual to me, and I have been unable to locate an obituary or any information. His name was Eric Lee Anderson. He died on November 1, 1974 and the one partial UPI account I could find was run on November 4 of that year. Apparently he lived in Hayward, CA, and the jump was a night jump in Livermore. Any information will be very welcome.
Thank you for your time!
Maureen
ldywolfdancer@aol.com
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