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Don’t forget to contact Bruce Smith so he can update that worthless interview where you threw the Co-pilot under the bus because the internet confused you. That way Bruce can issue an amended version which updates the information and identifies you as the offending party who appeared more concerned about hiding the truth than the impact you had on Bruce’s credibility as a reporter. Low, very low; you should publicly apologize and send him beef jerky for nothing more than the raw irony.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I'm not a guy, and the answer according to Leverage (which is a Action | Comedy | Crime | Drama | Mystery show) was that 1) DB Cooper was already dead by the time of the robbery, it was the name of an army buddy and 2) the robber became the FBI investigator's partner plus he hooked up with the stewardess.

Like I said, this is a fictional show so no need to take any of this serious at all

ciel bleu,
Saskia

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I'm not a guy, and the answer according to Leverage (which is a Action | Comedy | Crime | Drama | Mystery show) was that 1) DB Cooper was already dead by the time of the robbery, it was the name of an army buddy and 2) the robber became the FBI investigator's partner plus he hooked up with the stewardess.

Like I said, this is a fictional show so no need to take any of this serious at all

Thank You, for telling me what it was about, but seems odd:




4. The part about hooking up with the stewardess - hmmm interesting angle.

I am just kidding around. A lot more fun than all this serious stuff I usually deal with.

Again Thank You!

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Now that we all know who screwed the dog regarding Captain Scott talking to Cooper. It’s time to play another game.

Who was the brain dead loser that told you that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft? Not as stupid as saying that Captain Scott talked to Cooper, then dodging the issue for years, but it is still moronic.

The stewardess who was 5’ 8” had to look up to Cooper and therefore knew he was taller than her. No weird and freaky optical illusions involved like that idiot told you. What’s his name? Same jerk who said Dan Cooper comics were on Shemya in 1951? You know, that goof ‘historian’ from Northwest. No wonder that airline is defunct, quality personnel everywhere. Don’t make this some long drawn out issue this time, who was the pants peeing, shoe clerk that wanted to be all ‘Sky Stud’ by making up some more shit like height being difficult to determine? Hard to believe it was an airline employee since they know the ‘secret’ markings on the designs separating the compartments. Name this dork so he can be soundly ridiculed, scorned and debased for felony assclownery.

Was it Skipp again?

Let me get this straight. After all of that, you are trying to tell me that you believe eyewitness accounts in the Cooper case agree, and are overwhelmingly accurate?

I think we will have to differ here. Yes, I believe that it could be more difficult to judge someone's true height within an inch or two inside the confines of a passenger aircraft. Especially if the key witnesses mostly saw the person in question sitting down and were under a lot of stress.

More diversion, subject shifting, and feined ADD
from Blevins.

Farflung said: "The stewardess who was 5’ 8” had to
look up to Cooper and therefore knew he was taller
than her. No weird and freaky optical illusions
involved..."

Farflung did not say: "you believe eyewitness
accounts in the Cooper case agree". Blevins said
that!

What optical illusions are involved inside an aircraft
when people are standing in front of each other?
Look up or look down, one at the other.

Are you now claiming Cooper crawled in the plane on
his kness or his ass and schleped up into a seat in a
fetal position and never stood (next to anyone) at
all? That he never stood before Hal Willians buying
the ticket. That he never stood next to fellow
passengers boarding? That he never was standing
before Flo or Tina, even when putting on the
parachute? That Hancock did not see him standing
beside Tina?

5'8" versus 6 feet plus is a large discrepancy by any
standard ... on plane, land, or sea.

This is childish on your part.

A grown man trying to fool Physicists!

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Blevins:

You may be too busy in He said she said to answer my posted question or

You really did not read Sheridan's Book!!!

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The question again to you is: When you say the book has 826 pages:

My question is "What was in the pages beyond the 339 pages of Part I that I read?

Also, where did you find the long version (826 pages) of Sheridan's Book? Was the second part called Part II? What was part II about?

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

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I didn't throw Rataczak 'under the bus'. His interview is the version in print and speaks for itself. Maybe you refer to the phone interview long ago when Bruce called, and later posted his results at DZ. Yes, I remember that. He got mad because I wouldn't provide the names of the witnesses. I couldn't - I had signed a confidentiality agreement with History Channel and Go Go Luckey Productions. So Bruce said some things. I have forgotten all about that.

And I would remind you that Bruce Smith NEEDED a lesson in manners for interviews. He was so not-polite to Tina Mucklow's sister's family in Shelton, WA that now they absolutely refuse to speak to anyone. That was HIS doing. You remember that series at the Mountain News, right? I was very angry with him about that for a while. And I sent him a message about it urging him to polish up his courtesy skills because honey does better than vinegar in interviews...unless people try lying to you...then you can get a bit more firm.

After that, Smith came out with more interesting articles and the people involved cooperated much better with him, and I take a teeny-tiny bit of credit for that.

Bruce Smith today is a better interviewer and if he wanted/needed anything, I am there. He already knows that. I'm RSS'd to his Mountain News.

*Not afraid to answer the tough questions*

I'm sure Bruce is forever beholden to you and it's nice to see that you two have bonded; however, when you say that Bruce was "mad" so he "said some things", are you implying that Bruce is lying in this account of an interview with you?


Previous post by Brucesmith

Interview with Robert Blevins, author of:

“Into the Blast, The True Story of DB Cooper”

I spoke with Robert Blevins for about 20-30 minutes on the Memorial Day Weekend, 2010.

Robert seemed to be guarded, initially. His first words to me were: “It’s okay with me if you tape this.”

That mind-set had been revealed earlier when I read his web site and learned of his efforts to achieve absolute security when he conducted his interviews and wrote his book. He was afraid that the FBI would take all of his notes and shut down his project.

However, over time, my conversation with Robert warmed up, but the initial stages were filled with many pauses.

Overall, Robert Blevins has only a modest understanding of the DB Cooper case. In fact, he has very little knowledge of much of what is in the book, and as a result he is unable to expand or explain in greater detail many elements of the book. Frequently, when I asked a question, Robert would say, “Oh, Skipp Porteous knows that – he did the interview.”

In reality, Robert was more like an editor of Porteous’ transcripts than a writer in the customary sense of the word. However, he did conduct a few interviews on his own, primarily with the Mike, Dawn and Katie characters, and the current owners of the former Christianson property in Bonney Lake, WA.

Apparently, Porteous, a private investigator in New York City, did copious amounts of investigatory work to find all these people and their addresses, and to verify corroborative information, such as determining the various owners of the Christianson property in Bonney Lake and obtaining the details regarding the bag of $2,000 in 20s found in a stump pile.

When I asked if I could interview these individuals, Robert gave a curious answer. He told me that the characters had indicated to him that they would be open to the idea of speaking with other researchers and journalists, but he said that he wanted to protect them and would not release their contact information. He said he wanted to spare them the “onslaught” or words to that effect.

Nevertheless, I asked him to pass on my contact information to them along with my invitation to call me, and he said he would.

Robert also said that he and Porteous did not speak directly with Tina Mucklow, and only communicated with a “family intermediary.” He said that Tina was unable to speak with journalists and researchers because it would be “too upsetting.” Nevertheless, he characterized Tina’s health and well-being as “fine.” He also said that she “has a normal life – family and kids and all that.”

Indicative of Robert’s paucity of knowledge in the DB Cooper case, Robert was surprised to learn that Tina had been in a convent for 12 years. He had thought the stories of Tina being a nun were false.

Robert also does not seem to have any substantive knowledge of the works of Calame, Tosaw or Himmelsbach, and seemed unfamiliar with information provided by Captain Bohan on the wind speed and direction, and other similar details pertaining to the flight path and jump.

Robert also seemed very comfortable with what he considers the FBI’s officially stated metrics on weather, wind speed and direction, and does not appear eager to entertain conflicting information, even if it comes from a former FBI official.

However, Robert is very familiar with Richard McCoy’s age of 29 in 1971, and spoke with incredulity about how the FBI could consider a suspect so wildly out of the reported age range of “mid-to-late forties.”

As for the book’s statement that Captain Scott left the cockpit and sat next to Cooper to ascertain the reality of the bomb, Robert said that he got that from Porteous, who got it from Bill Rataczak in a taped phone conversation.

Robert has not visited or communicated with Florence Schaffner, nor has Skipp, apparently, yet, although Robert said Porteous would in the future. Robert says they are comfortable with the information provided by Geoff Gray in his New York Magazine piece, where Florence says the picture Gray showed her of Christianson is the closest she has seen, yet, of DB Cooper.

Robert does not have a DNA profile of Kenny Christianson. In addition, he claimed that the FBI doesn’t have any viable DNA samples of DB Cooper, stating that the Bourbon cup and the cigarette butts were mis-handled too severely to provide a viable sample of genetic material. Robert said he got this information from Skipp.

When asked why the FBI ruled out Christianson, Robert said it was because of disparities in the height and eye color.

Robert told me that Kenny’s driver’s license says that KC was 5’8” and 170 pounds, with hazel eyes, “whatever color that is,” added Robert.

Later, though, Robert characterized Kenny as “lying” on his driver’s license, adding, “I don’t know why he would lie.”

Robert said that Kenny was taller than 5’8” and probably closer to six-foot tall, based on two pictures. One, taken with his father, Kenny stands an inch taller than his 5’11” dad. Also, in the picture of Kenny walking in the doorway of his home a few days after the skyjacking with a briefcase and paper sack, Robert says the measurements of the door frame and the placement of Kenny in the picture show him to be “about six-feet tall.” Robert says he has verified this by measuring the actual door frame.

Robert also provided some original and interesting information. He said that Kenny Christianson worked for Northwest Orient Airlines, part-time, until 1993.

Further, the Christianson family seems circumspect about the possibility of Kenny being DB Cooper.

“Some don’t care, others are embarrassed,” said Robert.

Robert also said the free PDF version of “Into the Blast” will be “around for awhile.”

He spoke convincingly that his work is about finding the truth.

“It’s not about the money at all. It’s about the truth.”

Just curious cause, you know...for a guy that seems to make his share of mistakes...or..has had a difficult time establishing credibility, or. as one very respected and knowledgeable poster once noted... "play(s) fast and loose with the facts", you sure do seem to come down pretty hard on others.
Lol..but I've noticed "derangement syndrome" can be rampant on this thread at times so I guess it's par for the course.

Oh well. Whether you like Bruce or not, I've found from reading his articles that he seems to be pretty honest in his reports...even down to reporting conversations or happenings that don't always put him in the best light. Just saying....Glass houses and all that...think about it.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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OK, so perhaps Cooper had an ‘unconventional’ form of locomotion which made it difficult to estimate his height. It ‘could’ happen. I found it very difficult to estimate the height of the person in this video, and imagined Cooper doing pretty much the same thing as he boarded Flight 305.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4pQX-jnX0

It would be foolish on my part to argue that establishing an accurate height would be difficult in this situation, even though height was exactly the last thing on my mind.

So I’ve decided to surrender to science, limited photo interpretation and the American building standards to guide my next experiment. Attached is yet another stepping stone to facilitate the journey towards the truth. Kenny is standing in the doorway of his apartment, which is not the fuselage of an aircraft or the driver’s license upon which he submitted information which was lies, regarding his true height.

All one has to do is see the hinge on the door and where it is in relation to the toupee-less head of Kenny. He is barely past the threshold so any distortions should be minimal. Here’s where everyone gets to play scientist if they have the required equipment:

A. A Tape measure.

B. A Door (roll top garage doors and pocket doors won’t work here, nor shower doors, oven doors, refrigerator doors, cabinet doors, dryer doors, car doors, pet doors, odors, sliding doors, screen doors or medicine cabinet doors) Just a regular, human opens and walks through it door as found in most rooms and entrances to homes.

Now all you have to do is take ‘A’ and measure the distance to the bottom of the top hinge on ‘B’. See how easy? But since this is the Cooper thread, be prepared for at least half a dozen iterations before NOT measuring the height of a door hinge, found in most homes. Good luck.

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Damn...all these questions and comments.
Geoff Gray was allowed access by the Seattle FBI to the official witness reports. Check pages 91-93, I believe. The witnesses were all over on the descriptions. Robert Gregory said the hijacker was no taller than five-nine. Tina said five-ten to six feet. Flo Schaffner thought six feet. All of the stews went with different combinations on the FBI's Face ID catalog. But this stuff is typical, so taking one particular item as holy in the descriptions is a tough sell. No one agreed exactly on the hair, even the suit he was wearing. So who the eff knows? It's a very general thing, although you could eliminate people based upon it...for example...if they were six four and had blond hair. You could rule that person out. But the truth is that Cooper, aka The Sketch, looks like a lot of people. He's not real unique and that's been part of the problem in identifying him.

Yea, real life is a bitch, especially when you yell FIRE! in a theatre.

Always use a source that fits your preconceived
destination.

What were Ckret's source files?

Cooper doesn't look "unique" - to a white shark.

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OK, so perhaps Cooper had an ‘unconventional’ form of locomotion which made it difficult to estimate his height. It ‘could’ happen. I found it very difficult to estimate the height of the person in this video, and imagined Cooper doing pretty much the same thing as he boarded Flight 305.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4pQX-jnX0

It would be foolish on my part to argue that establishing an accurate height would be difficult in this situation, even though height was exactly the last thing on my mind.

So I’ve decided to surrender to science, limited photo interpretation and the American building standards to guide my next experiment. Attached is yet another stepping stone to facilitate the journey towards the truth. Kenny is standing in the doorway of his apartment, which is not the fuselage of an aircraft or the driver’s license upon which he submitted information which was lies, regarding his true height.

All one has to do is see the hinge on the door and where it is in relation to the toupee-less head of Kenny. He is barely past the threshold so any distortions should be minimal. Here’s where everyone gets to play scientist if they have the required equipment:

A. A Tape measure.

B. A Door (roll top garage doors and pocket doors won’t work here, nor shower doors, oven doors, refrigerator doors, cabinet doors, dryer doors, car doors, pet doors, odors, sliding doors, screen doors or medicine cabinet doors) Just a regular, human opens and walks through it door as found in most rooms and entrances to homes.

Now all you have to do is take ‘A’ and measure the distance to the bottom of the top hinge on ‘B’. See how easy? But since this is the Cooper thread, be prepared for at least half a dozen iterations before NOT measuring the height of a door hinge, found in most homes. Good luck.

In examining the photo of the door and KC, repeat door and KC, in Farflung's attachment, it should be noted that the picture has been cropped at the top and rotated slightly clockwise.

Using the horizontal fixture outside the door as a reference, it is obvious that KC's bald head is exactly at the same level as the bottom of the top door hinge.

The bottom of the top hinge on my front entrance door is exactly 68 inches (or 5 feet, 8 inches) above the floor.

While my door is somewhat wider than the door in the photo, the vertical dimensions are probably very close since most doors in this day and age are "pre-hung" at the factory.

Since KC is wearing shoes, probably with at least a one-half inch heel, he would seem to be less than 5 feet, 8 inches, in his bare feet.

So KC may have exaggerated UPWARDS when the drivers license people asked him his height. Presumably he didn't have any reason to understate his height and, also presumably, the license people would have noticed if his claimed height was 4 inches less than what they were seeing.

Also, the license people could have check his claimed eye color in a fraction of a second. And they probably did.

Robert99

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A. A Tape measure.

B. A Door (roll top garage doors and pocket doors won’t work here, nor shower doors, oven doors, refrigerator doors, cabinet doors, dryer doors, car doors, pet doors, odors, sliding doors, screen doors or medicine cabinet doors) Just a regular, human opens and walks through it door as found in most rooms and entrances to homes.

Now all you have to do is take ‘A’ and measure the distance to the bottom of the top hinge on ‘B’. See how easy? But since this is the Cooper thread, be prepared for at least half a dozen iterations before NOT measuring the height of a door hinge, found in most homes. Good luck.

Tape measure?? I can't tell you the number of tape measures i have bought..and always return to my toolbox when I'm through with it --but I'd bet a million free copies of Blasted that it's not there at this particular moment in time. So....I went to the internet, and was immediately foiled. Depending on where you look doors can be 6'8, 7', etc., but most agree that 6'8" is standard for a front door. The top hinge, depending on who you believe, is placed 5" or 6" from the top and Hinges can be 3 - 5 inches in length with the average looking like 4 inches.

So if a door is 80 inches tall, and allowing for the height it has to be raised to clear the floor/threshold. So say at 81 inches - a 4 inch hinge would be at the 71 inch mark at it's bottom if it's placed 6 inches from the top - which would be approx 5'11" from the floor - If 4 in hinge is placed 5 inches from top - then that would be 81-9= 72 = 6 ft. You can play with those numbers about 1/2 inch maybe if the threshold is lower. If you want to disregard the threshold - then figure 5'10 - 5'11.
Is that correct or did I finally realize my math teacher's true expectations of me?

Edited to add...well I'll be damned. My tape measure is where it's supposed to be. I'm shocked. I have 4 exterior doors - From floor to bottom of top hinge: Front door 69", back1 - 70 3/4", Back 2 - 70.5", To garage - 70.5". So my man would be 5'9" - 5'10 3/4.

However, I checked and the top of my 4 inch hinges are set approx 7 - 8.5 inches from the top which explains the discrepancy. So...it's possible that I am an aberration that you will have to discard in the statistical scheme of things. My doors were probably hung on a Friday or a Monday. :)
But that was fun.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Nice work from the 99’s (big surprise again). I measured my entry door and the door from my garage (The Garage-Mahal, as I insist everyone call it) and came up with 69 ½ inches for both (Stanley doors, both pre-hung).

I was never a member of a military organization; I was however in the Air Force. Before admittance there was a little ‘ol thing called a physical which had to be passed first. The doctors had you stand on a scale and measured your height so they could reach in the correct bin and grab half a dozen uniforms to throw at your face. They did not take your word for it. So if Kenny did lie on his driver’s license as has been reported, then the US Army also lied in his service record.

According to Gray’s book, which some people just love, love, love to quote; Kenny was recorded as being, five foot eight. Well perhaps the Army was part of this future deception where Kenny would go to the DMV and lie about being shorter, because that’s what men lie about.

Then the stewardesses got all confused in the fuselage because height is difficult to judge according to….. I guess there are a few more iterations which must transpire before that question can be answered. But so far the score is:

Driver’s License – LIE
US ARMY – LIE
Estimates by eye witnesses – Unreliable due to an undocumented visual illusion.

The height of a door’s hinge is about the only thing which makes sense in the universe right now, I wonder why. Oh well.

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Nice work from the 99’s (big surprise again). I measured my entry door and the door from my garage (The Garage-Mahal, as I insist everyone call it) and came up with 69 ½ inches for both (Stanley doors, both pre-hung).

I was never a member of a military organization; I was however in the Air Force. Before admittance there was a little ‘ol thing called a physical which had to be passed first. The doctors had you stand on a scale and measured your height so they could reach in the correct bin and grab half a dozen uniforms to throw at your face. They did not take your word for it. So if Kenny did lie on his driver’s license as has been reported, then the US Army also lied in his service record.

According to Gray’s book, which some people just love, love, love to quote; Kenny was recorded as being, five foot eight. Well perhaps the Army was part of this future deception where Kenny would go to the DMV and lie about being shorter, because that’s what men lie about.

Then the stewardesses got all confused in the fuselage because height is difficult to judge according to….. I guess there are a few more iterations which must transpire before that question can be answered. But so far the score is:

Driver’s License – LIE
US ARMY – LIE
Estimates by eye witnesses – Unreliable due to an undocumented visual illusion.

The height of a door’s hinge is about the only thing which makes sense in the universe right now, I wonder why. Oh well.

So...instead of calling the construction company and bitching them out on my doors :)
I've looked and it's looking like 7" from top is not an unusual hinge placement. As a matter of fact - From the Stanley website 5 -10 is the US standard layout for top and bottom hinges - but certain Western states use the Western standard for hinge placement: 7 from the top and 11 from the bottom.

I can now officially add door hinges to the list of things that I have learned as a direct result of subscribing to this forum. Of course, this and 3.69 will buy me exactly one gallon of gas at today's price in my neck of the woods, but I thank you guys anyway.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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gas is around $3.85 - $3.99 Ft. Laud !!!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I thought we recently talked in here about #3 and showed it wasn't Kenny in those pics and there was no record, as of yet, showing he had been a Paratrooper?


Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.

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What can’t be proven is that height is difficult to judge in an aircraft, as reported many, many, many times by RobertMBlevins who refuses to name his source.

Third iteration.

Though he didnt state it explicitely, I thought he
implied his source is Geoff Gray (Geoff Gray's book).

His inference all along is that he and Geoff Gray
are a team now - which may come as news to Geoff
Gray!

Sham Wow will do amazing thingies.

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I'm really surprised that none of you have agreed that the Seattle FBI should at least question the witnesses regarding Christiansen.

I have nothing against them questioning witnesses - I just don't think you can totally disregard witness statements from the day - especially Tina's - who did see him standing up, had a good frame of reference, and saw him for an extended length of time.

The other problem is you want to disregard witness statements from 1971 that don't back your ascertains while, at the same time, claiming that YOUR witness statements regarding various things that happened 40 years ago are PROOF. Do you really think that your witnesses are more immune to wanting to be part of the DB Cooper phenom than everyone else? Do grits boil at a different temperature on their stoves? For all your "evidence", a great deal of it is conjecture based on witnesses who might or might not have their own agendas. Might be true, might not be true. We don't know and neither do you.

Should the FBI at least run the fingerprints and dna through - Yes. I, along with other folks have said many times that we wish they would. If they have it, why not compare it if all other things are equal. Got no argument there.

Still I would think that they have to have some sort of baseline criteria to expend resources - maybe LD met something in their baseline criteria and Kenny didn't?
I really think that those who still care about this case in the FBI hate that it is unsolved and they want to solve it. I can't imagine them thinking he is a viable suspect and not pursuing it, but that's my opinion and I'm a dog on a bone, never say die kind of person.
Who knows, maybe, we are kidding ourselves and they really couldn't care less about this case. I hope that's not the case.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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I have nothing against them questioning witnesses - I just don't think you can totally disregard witness statements from the day - especially Tina's - who did see him standing up, had a good frame of reference, and saw him for an extended length of time.



Don't even go there!

The next thing Blevins will have us questioning
is our own parentage and the wheel and fire -

I see nothing helpful in Sham Wow, hucksterism,
and the infamous pre-warned: Blevins Flim
Flammary. No accident Porteous chose Blevins
FOR A SCRIPT! Investigation and research MY ASS!

What I do wonder about is this guy Porteous, in
connection to Blevins.

And Geoff Gray, in connection to Blevins.

Is Blevins just some lone wolf out on a 'toot'
or does he have actual company in this debacle?

Or is this all comedy, as some new leverage to
get into the FBI's pants?

He's lost the credibility and intelligence angle.
What's left? Comedy and Pity?

Because I seriously doubt one person could come up
with much less generater all of this this "shit". How
many people are actively involved in writing scripts
for Blevins, behind the scenes, at AB Books?

No single person has the stamina to be doing what
Ole' Blev is doing, under one name?

There is something rotten in Denmark here.

Dont think for one second Blevins is doing all of this
alone!

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One meeting in Seattle and four emails in three years does not a partnership make...and I didn't get the idea about judging height from Gray. If it were so damn easy...how come the witnesses....the people who actually SAW Cooper, could not agree?

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What hubris to tell me you already addressed something I specifically asked for, after you post that utter nonsense about Carolyn Tyner, and her beyond reproach reputation as she is married to a Boulder Cop, a total of 22 times. Twenty two and you did not lament how you already brought that up, I presume because nobody ever asked you for that information.

How many times have you posted Kenny’s bank statement (10 -12 examples)? You must be exhausted dragging out that irrelevant image of a bank balance of $200,000, over a quarter century after the crime. Is one to assume that Kenny spent none of the money on his wild spending spree with the four breasted woman?

Why do all questions about source references require so many revisions and restatements that it makes the Treaty of Versailles look like a bid on eBay for a Beanie Baby? Is it because the only path of thought is the one you are laying out and as long as there is quiet compliance, then you are happy and feel accomplished? You may have sold yourself a bill of goods there RobertMBlevins.

Do you think I would have a ‘special’ interest in this phenomenon involving the mind altering effect the interior of an aircraft may have on height estimation? I certainly don’t know everything, but as soon as the man with a pile of crap in front of him asks me what sort of bread I would like, it is time to go on a diet; a starvation diet.

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Quick response I may regret -

Porteous did a pretty good job. Hard to think and
do follow up in a pressure situation like this, where
Rataczak is a primary witness and hard to get in
the first place. The whole interview is good.

G.

Georger:

Why do you say the co-pilot is a hard to get an interview with? At times I think you are in the know with the FBI and then other times you seem to be completely out of the loop.

I wish there was a way to PM you because I want to propose something to you - if I can pull it off. You come across as both bias and objective and that is good. You know you can open your pm for me and then close it again if you think I do anything inappropriate...,,

I can use your private email account or you can set up another email address - which you can delete at any time...just how I would receive this would be impossible unless you open your PM's to me for a couple of exchanges. Your Call.

By the way this involves the CO-pilot. Not going to make public what is going thru my mind right now.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Hmmmmm (see photo)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins states with irony so thick, that it actually resembles iron with:

“Those pics you refer to were of Kenny's father. Lyle Christiansen sent them and neglected to tell me they were NOT of Kenny.”

You do realize that you are admitting that you can’t identify a picture of Kenny when you actually know what he looks like? Your other pictures of Kenny (with pipe, singing in a bar) I would bet are NOT him either. No resemblance at all, but someone ‘sane’ must have convinced you otherwise.

So if you can’t ID a picture of Kenny, how is Florence, Alice or she who stokes the fires my loins- Tina, supposed to be able to ID Kenny as Cooper, forty years later? Seems unfair putting them on the spot and over quoting what they say. But linear activity is a stranger round these here parts.

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What I do wonder about is this guy Porteous, in
connection to Blevins.

And Geoff Gray, in connection to Blevins.

Is Blevins just some lone wolf out on a 'toot'
or does he have actual company in this debacle?

Or is this all comedy, as some new leverage to
get into the FBI's pants?

He's lost the credibility and intelligence angle.
What's left? Comedy and Pity?

Because I seriously doubt one person could come up
with much less generater all of this this "shit". How
many people are actively involved in writing scripts
for Blevins, behind the scenes, at AB Books?

No single person has the stamina to be doing what
Ole' Blev is doing, under one name?

There is something rotten in Denmark here.

Dont think for one second Blevins is doing all of this
alone!

So much is now repetition over and over with Blevins and he is just a fish in the bowl. I have notice it seems like someone is coaching him as of recent.

Me? At least I retain my own thoughts and continued to do what I must do. You will notice the posts I do are off the top of my head regarding whatever is being discussed - I do not go back and repeat my old posts from yrs ago - word for word the way Blevins does.

When a certain person was using me as his puppet - I tried to make it my own - and refused to go where I was NOT comfortable going.


ME THINKS Blevins doing what he is doing at this stage of the game - HAS ALL the EAR MARKS of his working with a production contract! He is pushing all the wrong button way too hard!

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Hmmmmm (see photo)

Did YOU GUYS know that back in 1971 - the stewardess were REQUIRED to wear heels - I do not remember the height, but it was over 1 1/2 inches. The style in 1971 was - over 2 1/2 to 3 inches but, do NOT remember the stewardess requirements. My friend who was younger than I was applied to train as a Delta Stewardess in 1976 - her name was Pattie. She got side tracked and ended up getting married.

How tall was Tina. The height requirement was over 5ft 6 in and NO glasses. Add heels to that and you have 5 ft 8 ins.

Tina was not sitting at all times NOR was Cooper - thought you might need to be reminded of this. Tina KNEW how tall Cooper was! She was NOT guessing!


Am I miss remembering Cooper went to the bath room?

Is this not when Alice was face to face with Cooper as he returned from the bathroom? Did she not note how he carried the briefcase? She noted something else also, but I thought this was something Gray extricated from her mind or made up. Hell, for all I know - anything he said about Alice might have been created or altered!

P.S. to Smokin99 - I think you are dead on with this statement "Who knows, maybe, we are kidding ourselves and they really couldn't care less about this case. I hope that's not the case".

Unfortunately smokin99 - they DON'T CARE!
The FBI only wants to flush this case and the embarassment down the toilet. If it is never solved - then they have protected their integrity. If one little old woman did it they would never live it down!Right! Now the FBI has motive to let the case go unsolved!

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