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Robert99 50
QuoteQuoteYou forgot 'none of the above,' although maybe a map and compass is possible. Since Cooper requested the flight take off from Seattle with the stairs down, this could indicate he was planning to jump reletively quickly after they reached altitude.
In order to determine his possible intentions, someone should research how long it was between the time 305 left Seattle until the first time Cooper started talking about opening the door. There are people here who know these things a lot better than I do. Yes...even Georger, for example.
the list was basically an example of "out of control"
the aft stair lite came on right around McChord AFB which was 19 KM out of Seattle, V23 runs right by it.
this was 7 minutes into the flight.
7:40 they reached 7000' 14 KM out SEA
7:43 they were 19 Km out of SEA and began 30 degree flaps
I believe the "KM"s you use above should be "NM"s. They are Nautical Miles rather than Kilometers.
Robert99
Robert99 50
QuoteGeorger says in part:
Quote"Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck..."
No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words.QuoteHello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...'
Blevins, Georger has written words of wisdom in his post that you are replying to.
The airline business was very unstable in the 1960s and 1970s. There were long seasonal layoffs for those in both the cockpit and cabin crews that had low seniority numbers.
Additionally, both the cockpit and cabin crews could get their maximum allowable flying hours over with in a couple of weeks as a matter of routine. That leaves two weeks or more that they would have free.
Even the most senior captain on the airline probably had a second job (a non-flying one probably) or some additional income activity going for him. That is just the way things operated in that day and age.
So KC and probably everyone he flew with were basically working two or more jobs. And maybe some of them even managed to save a few dollars along the way.
KC doesn't look like he is "working" or doing something he normally does in that picture. Actually, he looks like he is having fun.
Robert99
georger 244
QuoteQuoteGeorger says in part:
Quote"Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck..."
No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words.QuoteHello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...'
Blevins, Georger has written words of wisdom in his post that you are replying to.
The airline business was very unstable in the 1960s and 1970s. There were long seasonal layoffs for those in both the cockpit and cabin crews that had low seniority numbers.
Additionally, both the cockpit and cabin crews could get their maximum allowable flying hours over with in a couple of weeks as a matter of routine. That leaves two weeks or more that they would have free.
Even the most senior captain on the airline probably had a second job (a non-flying one probably) or some additional income activity going for him. That is just the way things operated in that day and age.
So KC and probably everyone he flew with were basically working two or more jobs. And maybe some of them even managed to save a few dollars along the way.
KC doesn't look like he is "working" or doing something he normally does in that picture. Actually, he looks like he is having fun.
Robert99
I thinks Blevins makes way too much out of this
'NWA grudge' Kenny supposedly had. Life was hard
for eveyone, in just about every branch of life during
that period.
Blevins calls the place Kenny lived in a dump. I dont
recall any evidence of Kenny ever saying that? Its
Blevins saying that, not Kenny. Kenny may even
have favored in his remote location in a next-to-
nature condition?
There were millions of people living in similar
conditions or worse, all over America.
What stands out to me in the 'new' profile for KC is
the wider more dynamic network of relationships KC
had. The network outlined by Blevins vs. the network
outlined by Gray, is quite interesting in its totality.
And I dont recall either Blevins or Gray saying KC's
personal network included anyone at NWA. Thus
when you add NWA to KC's personal network, KC
suddenly becomes much more of a dynamic person.
One wonders where in this income producing
opportunity may have existed - something
overlooked to date?
His income came from somewhere - while his
personal needs were also being met. The whole
thing looks like a stable situation, not something
that would drive someone to criminal activity on a
mere grudge?
Cooper said: "This is not about money".
mrshutter45 21
"I believe the "KM"s you use above should be "NM"s. They are Nautical Miles rather than Kilometers."
just noticed that, thanks was up late couldn't sleep and on pain killers for the stones, Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz 
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words.
Blevins - why did you SIT on this picture? It is very very obvious in the pic that Kenny was slight of build in 1970 and bald as a cucumber!
NO WAY, he was Cooper!
NO WAY a toupe was used to cover that BALD head with the technology in Toupes at that time. Have you ACTUALLY seen pictures of men that bald with Toupe's dated 1971.
Who is that tycoon with the ridiculous hair comb-over? (I forget his name). ALL I see is his ridiculous hair - and his ego!
You guys know who I am talking about.
Even with all of his money in 1971 - he could NOT have covered the balding head of KC in 1971 without it being obvious.
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Robert99 50
QuoteMoney? Kenny mentions his bitterness against the airline in several letters, especially referring to the strikes. He spoke of 'eight million dollar jets sitting on the ground' and being unable to pay the rent or buy food.
You guys assume a lot about Christiansen . . .
Kenny didn't have any savings, (we checked that) . . .
Both Helen Jones and Margaret Geestman knew Kenny was lying when he said he made plenty of money from the airline . . .
For the people who knew Kenny it was always the same story.
Helen Jones is certain on one important point. She says Kenny didn't have two nickels to rub together on 11-24-1971 . . .
Blevins, a condensed version of some of your post is above.
You also make quite a few assumptions in your post.
Despite your claim that KC was unable to pay the rent and buy food, he nevertheless did pay the rent, buy food, and build up a rather nice nest egg.
It is not unusual for airline crews, both cockpit and cabin, to not see the same group of fellow employees regularly. Cabin and cockpit crews can be based in different cities. And the personnel that are based in a specific city may not even live in that city or anywhere nearby. I know of cases where the a crew member commuted from one coast to another to get from his residence to his base.
As for KC's savings, where did you look? At his neighborhood branch of Bank X? I haven't seen a single mention in your writings of KC working on anything other than international routes for NWA. As an airline flight crew member, KC had expedited entrance and exits from foreign countries as well as the USA. He could have had a bank account as well a girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever in any of those countries without attracting any particular attention.
Helen Jones seems to be "certain" in the same sense as you and Jo Weber are "certain" of your favorite Cooper candidates.
Overall, you are just trying to apply your logic, or whatever, to insist that KC had to follow the same logic.
That is not a good way to make a case for anything.
Robert99
QuoteGeorger says in part:
Quote"Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck..."
No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words.QuoteHello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...'
HOW many time does one have to inform you that 500 per month was pretty good money even in 1973 when I had 2 girls I was raising with little to NO help at times from their father.
You just do NOT get it. You did NOT live and work in the early 70's - I did!
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Robert99 50
QuoteWho is that tycoon with the ridiculous hair comb-over? (I forget his name). ALL I see is his ridiculous hair - and his ego!
You guys know who I am talking about.
Donald Trump?
Robert99 50
QuoteQuoteGeorger says in part:
Quote"Kenny was always looking for ways to make a buck..."
No kidding? Well...that was probably because after twenty years with NWA, both on Schmoo and in Seattle, he was still only taking home about five hundred a month, and that's when they weren't out on strike. Attached: picture of something he did the year before the hijacking to help make ends meet. The woman in the picture is Margaret Geestman. Sometimes a picture really DOES speak a thousand words.QuoteHello...(hello)...is there anybody IN there...'
HOW many time does one have to inform you that 500 per month was pretty good money even in 1973 when I had 2 girls I was raising with little to NO help at times from their father.
You just do NOT get it. You did NOT live and work in the early 70's - I did!
And don't forget that interest paid on savings was somewhat more reasonable in the early 1970s than it is today. The 1970s were a period when the interest rates on real estate mortgages, as well as prices, started a steep climb. So quite a bit of money could be, and was, made in that era in dealing with real estate.
Robert99
QuoteQuoteWho is that tycoon with the ridiculous hair comb-over? (I forget his name). ALL I see is his ridiculous hair - and his ego!
You guys know who I am talking about.
Donald Trump?
HOW could I possibly have forgotten his name?
NOT a very good day today and I have a lot of my plate...I just could NOT pull the name out!
I thought I had something to say tonight, but with what is going on here - NOT sure!
As for the battery thing - I follow every that comes up. I also thought it would be pretty hard to handle that battery, but I have always wondered what happened to the other chute he threw out and the briefcase. I believe he threw those before the Plane approached Mt. St. Helens! Would not the crew have noted a change when these items went out?
I doubt Cooper took time to throw a flare, but is it possible there was enough break in the storm or cloud coverage around Mt. St. Helen for him to know they were close. The one specific thing Duane told me about the area was the light at Swift Dam.
Duane was just too focused on certain detail about the area on our trip in 1979.
I remember his face during certain points on the trip. Only one time did he even think he might have made a wrong turn. I will repeat - Duane DID NOT look at a map - not one time on that 1979 trip!
This is a man who the FBI claims was never in Washington! BUT, I was the one with him on the 1979 trip - a naive female who knew NOTHING about Cooper.
Duane knew how to pick-em! The closest I had ever been to WA was when I was about 13 yrs. old was Salt Lake City.
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And don't forget that interest paid on savings was somewhat more reasonable in the early 1970s than it is today. The 1970s were a period when the interest rates on real estate mortgages, as well as prices, started a steep climb. So quite a bit of money could be, and was, made in that era in dealing with real estate.
Robert99
Right - I should have caught that, but then I didn't get real estate license until 1978. Duane and I made a bundle on an investment in in 1984 to 1987!
Basically only obtaining a loan on a house and doing a few cosmetic repairs on and walked 3 plus yrs later with over 40K in our account.
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No. It was a principle Kenneth learned by example
watching his parents struggle as a child, if you
bothered to read Geoff's article and Lyle's
description of WHY Kenny had the passion to
"make a buck".
Quit winging it - learn to read.
HELLO! HELLO! IS THERE ANYBODY IN THERE?
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