DB Cooper

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DBC is Illuminati, remember the flares?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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DBC is Illuminati, remember the flares?

Matt

don't forget the man on the stairs, oh wait Knoss said he jumped on the other side of the Columbia way before she seen him

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Gray is, but ONE individual who has see the things I have! Sluggo was one, but he looked at this thur colored lenses...he did NOT have access to things others saw after that. I was NOT comfortable exposing ALL.

Ahhh! The tease. Jo always has cards up her sleeve. Nobody gets to see the whole picture.

Let me know when you are ready to reveal the Folsom Prison inmate smokejumpers photo.

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You WILL be surprised what I remember! Pictures STICK in my mind and that one stuck. If I was an artist - I could reproduce it. Since I have not found it thru the prison system - there is someplace NONE of us have looked and I am on to that one, but I will need to be able to view videos.

Some of Frank Derry's photos and videos of the early days still exist and I finally found a place that might have some of them.

Perhaps that photo will be among the history of early parachuting - it does and did exist. Three men infront of a place I would have thought to be the prison - three ex military men who volunteered for a program. The wording below the photo mentioned Folsom and SanQuentin - perhaps it was a program that did NOT get off the ground - as I have speculated and this was 3 guys who WANTED to participate.

This has been NO tease. You have money - get your ass on a plane and bring Safe Crack with you. Expect to spent at least a wk....copying and collecting data.
I won't be good for more than about 4 hours a day and then will have to rest. YOU will sign a confidentiality agreement and you will NOT be able to use the files for PROFIT, but to assist in proving or disproving Weber was Cooper. If the FBI wants to participate - I will think about that one.

The FBI would NOT be able to take ANY documents or have copies - they refused to work with me before and I'll be damn if they will take credit or destroy what I have worked hard to find in these 17 yr.

The FBI NEVER returned the original resume to me, BUT provided me with a Copy. I explained that most of the resume was false. The FBI even claimed they did NOT find Duane's prints on that damn thing - give me a break!

MY home is shoes OFF territory.

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http://gacc.nifc.gov/oncc/logistics/crews/smokejumpers/about/smkjdevel.html

Someone may have posted this site before although some of it is not dead on with the facts this part is: THE MENNONITE, BRETHERN AND FRIENDS CHURCHES supplied the majority of the of the recruites in 1940 - very important.

Snowmman was NOT the first to see this - as it was among my early sources in 2000 after I got a computer, but even then the FBI ignored me.

Then Snowmman put it in the thread a few yrs ago and I revisited it and also sent it to the FBI.... I put this information in the hands of LARRY CARR and it NEVER got to his superiors NOR was it EVER checked out unless CARR was hoping I would kick the bucket and NO ONE else would ever see it!

NOTE: The attached photo from a California Camp - and I dare the FBI to USE photo recognition on the Second guy from the left - PRS will prove this boy and Duane L. Weber were ONE and the SAME....has Las Vegas already done this?

Building on the effectiveness of these early efforts, the first parachute facility was established by the U.S. Forest Service at the Winthrop Ranger Station in the Methow Valley, Washington state. Region I followed closely by constructing facilities at Seely Lake and later at the Nine Mile Station. The early 1940's saw continued expansion and development of the new smokejumper program.

World War II, however, caused serious problems for the new program. In addition to the shortage of parachutes, the lack of manpower reached a critical stage. Fortunately, Region I, IV and VI began to receive numerous inquiries about employment from Conscientious Objectors to the war. By 1943, the Forest Service began to actively recruit Civilian Public Service enrollees, and 62 candidates were selected for smokejumper training. The Mennomite, Brethern and Friends Churches supplied the majority of the recruits. In 1944, The Forest Service went directly to the headquarters of the Selective Service System and the National Service Board for Religious Objectors, and arranged to retain all of the trained Civilian Public Service volunteers who elected to remain with the program. Sixty percent of this group was given refresher training, and fifty more were selected and added to the various smokejumper projects.




1st photo - 2ed from left side of photo.

2ed photo - 1st from left side of photo.

3. Duane 1962 release pictures from Canon.

4. Duane's Navy pic 1942

5. The only good pic we have of Duane as a young man with age estimated.

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Is what used to be my avatar.

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I do not need to post is my current avatar. JT accused me of altering. ALL I did was make a copy of the composite and a black and white of Duane and cut them into and paste them together (note - I did this manually). ALSO note I connected a straight on composite with a side angle picture of Weber - guess that made it seem weird to JT. NOT able to do computer ART.

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Shaggy 1978 - again the date is estimated. His hair has been allowed to turn gray and he goes to efforts to keep it straight, but location and humidity has a lot to do with waves - I know because I have some natural girl to mine (now it is OLD woman kinky).

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W Dog also dated approx 1978 note the hair is dark and the hair has waves to it - didn't Gray have one of witness state Cooper's hair had waves - he provided a name for the type of hair Duane used to have.

What I do not understand is both pictures are dated 1977, but that may have been my making estimations on the age.
IT is a given that both the shaggy and the W/dog photos were taken between 1973 and 1978. Both were taken during the short time Duane was married to a wife he had AFTER 1972 and who he divorced in 1977 - it was an off and on relationship. The photos are NOT altered and the hair made some drastic changes - but, maybe because of dye, straightning and weather conditions.

THERE is more if you guys want me to continue.

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DBC is Illuminati, remember the flares?

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

Matt

don't forget the man on the stairs, oh wait Knoss said he jumped on the other side of the Columbia way before she seen him

Vern: "I didn't say that!"
Reporter/Book Writer: "Got it. He was waving a Communist USSR flag."
Vern: "I didn't say that!!"
Reporter/Book Writer: "In his underwear."

"Sir. We couldnt get the stains outta duh suit."
Fred Monroe

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AH SO! Where do we start


Kenny was too short at 5'8".

Not one witness put Cooper's height under 6'.

Not one witness describe Cooper's shoes as boots or having an extra high heel.
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Kenny had olive skin.

Do you know how olive skin reacts to the sun? They might have a golden tan with a lot of help - but, those products did NOT exist in 1971. Usually they take on an ashy color - not golden or ruddy.
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Kenny's lips.

The distance between Kenny's nose and upper lip is not even close to the composite.
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Kenny's hairline.

Kenny had a balding hair line not just a receding hair line...yet the artist did NOT project the concept of receding - he projected with his shading a slanted hair line.

No toupee in existence in 1971 could possibly have covered his hair line without being completely obvious. The Toupees of 1971 required the hair to come down on the forehead to cover the seam or for there to be enough hair in the front to comb over the seam line of the toupee.
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Kenny did not confess to being Cooper.

He did not even HINT at being Cooper.
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Kenny had hazel eyes.

NO way would anyone mistake Hazel for DARK BROWN PIERCING EYES.
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Kenny's eye lids.

The artist in NOT describing deep set lid, but one eye not quiet like the other. The artist indicate more lid.
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Kenny's build.

I do not know if the description came from one of witnesses, but somewhere along the line Cooper's build was described as compact. No one ever elaborated on the meaning of compact.
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This is just for starters.

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1) Early interviews would not count. They didn't have any suspects at first. At least no one publicly known.

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Shall I continue to outline the photo / composite impossibilities.

Kenny's part:

The composite indicates perhaps a part on the left, but NOT defined, Yet Kenny (when he had hair) parted on the right. This makes me wonder if Kenny was even left handed as Lyle has indicated.
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Kenny's chin:

Only in the pictures of Kenny from below him does his chin seem strong - this is what is called the angle of the camera.

Note Cooper was seem mostly from a sitting position.
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Kenny's bushy eyebrows:

The composite indicates thinner eyebrows with a definite arch.
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DUHHhh!

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1) Early interviews would not count. They didn't have any suspects at first. At least no one publicly known.

You are factually wrongos bochos dochos aginos.

Where do you think the name "D.B." Cooper came
from?

A reporter/book writer bochos dochos wrongos.

Youve been lost now for years. We are calling off
the search.

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This has been NO tease. You have money - get your ass on a plane and bring Safe Crack with you. Expect to spent at least a wk....copying and collecting data.
I won't be good for more than about 4 hours a day and then will have to rest. YOU will sign a confidentiality agreement and you will NOT be able to use the files for PROFIT, but to assist in proving or disproving Weber was Cooper. If the FBI wants to participate - I will think about that one.

I'm still fond of you Jo even though you are getting pretty bossy in the prior paragraph. You still are putting the cart before the Clydesdales. Put Duane in a parachute and THEN I'll give your material a lot of immediate attention.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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1) Early interviews would not count. They didn't have any suspects at first. At least no one publicly known.

You are factually wrongos bochos dochos aginos.

Where do you think the name "D.B." Cooper came
from?

A reporter/book writer bochos dochos wrongos.

Youve been lost now for years. We are calling off
the search. Bye!

Uh...you DO realize of course that 'DB/Dan Cooper' was a made-up name, right? And that real people with real identities were not associated with that name until Actual Real People Type Suspects came along later?

U R certainly funny sometimes. Lost? You are the one who needs a map.

Quote: "Local police and FBI agents immediately began questioning possible suspects. One of the first was an Oregon man with a minor police record named D. B. Cooper, contacted by Portland police on the off-chance that the hijacker had used his real name, or the same alias in a previous crime. His involvement was quickly ruled out; but an inexperienced wire service reporter (Clyde Jabin of UPI by most accounts,[40] Joe Frazier of AP by others[41]), rushing to meet an imminent deadline, confused the eliminated suspect's name with the pseudonym used by the hijacker. The mistake was picked up and repeated by numerous other media sources including The Associated Press, and the moniker "D. B. Cooper" became lodged in the public's collective memory.[35]"

You might have to learn some history to get your
green card -

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'Quote: "Local police and FBI agents immediately began questioning possible suspects. One of the first was an Oregon man with a minor police record named D. B. Cooper, contacted by Portland police on the off-chance that the hijacker had used his real name, or the same alias in a previous crime. His involvement was quickly ruled out...'

Gee, I wonder why he was ruled out? Maybe it's because 'Dan/DB Cooper' was a made up name or something. You think?

Too bad the hijacker didn't use the name 'Mike Jones'. The FBI would have had a lot of initial 'suspects' lol. U R still funny, though.

No Blevins. Your statement was:

"Early interviews would not count. They didn't have
any suspects at first. At least no one publicly known."

which is patently untrue, and just one more piece of
Blevins propoganda.

Now if someone were to come along and actually buy
into your endless propaganda bullshit . . .

Point is you are factually wrong on all counts.

There were suspects (immediately).
There were a few suspects whose names were
leaked to the press, thus we have the nym "DB"
Cooper instead of Dan Cooper ...

And you literally dont know what you are talking
about but have no problems spreading your nightly
perfume of false information and claims ....

to the entertainment of everyone!

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Jo wrote

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This has been NO tease. You have money - get your ass on a plane and bring Safe Crack with you. Expect to spent at least a wk....copying and collecting data.
I won't be good for more than about 4 hours a day and then will have to rest. YOU will sign a confidentiality agreement and you will NOT be able to use the files for PROFIT, but to assist in proving or disproving Weber was Cooper. If the FBI wants to participate - I will think about that one.

I'm still fond of you Jo even though you are getting pretty bossy in the prior paragraph. You still are putting the cart before the Clydesdales. Put Duane in a parachute and THEN I'll give your material a lot of immediate attention.

377

U did not read what I said!

Photo Recognition has done that - compliments of the gambling arena.

You missed something back there - Hurry Up Gus or you will miss the plane.

California is the key to the church. Old videos and pictues of Derry is the door. Just one of those guys hit the Wooommm button and there he was. D.B. Cooper right where I said he was.

Trying to find the clips they made in WA and OR after they left CA. Young man running to help the ones who were jumping - that is Dan Cooper. He packed the dam chute....but his name was not Dan Cooper.

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Smoke jumper history is richly documented. We had no trouble proving Sheridan Peterson had been a USFS smoke jumper. You have some fuzzy photos and wishful thinking Jo. Zero evidence that Duane Weber was a jumper, packer or in any other way associated with smoke jumpers. The camp photos in my opinion do not have enough detail to PROVE a match to Weber using facial recognition software. Georger might be able to disprove it by comparing ear locations.

Duane's alleged metamorphosis from a bungling thief to a guy who could successfully plan and execute NORJACK is simply too big a stretch. You disagree. I know that. We just don't see eye to eye on Webers abilities.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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So, NOW, we accept these web pages info as fact?
I thought when I introduced this info it was not to be taken as fact, because nothing on the internet is real?

I am so confused! History is fake, the web is not real, or is history true and the web is real and we are all fake?

Copper is laughing his ass off in Mexico, enjoying a cold one.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Hi 377

You mention Sheridan was a smoke jumper (I think it has been mentioned he worked for the USFS as a jumper for three years). Sheridan told me a lot about his USFS work and how he was not afraid to jump into the forests except for jumping onto a clif. He did not worry about water or tree landings. He could walk out of any place he jumped and was really good at pathfinding and surviving. Some where in the past posts it was mentioned Sheridan did a demonstration jump in a suit (much the same as DB Cooper) and it was before Norjack when he was possibly in the Boeing Skydiving Club. Does anyone remember the suit description (and shoes) he used in the demonstration jump?

Also, Has anyone heard if the FBI has made any progress on getting the DNA from the four letters (stamps/envelope flaps) sent to the papers just after Norjack? When compared with Sheridan, I believe they will find a match and will be well on their way to solving the crime. This is truly the "smoking gun" in the case and will blow it wide open.

Thanks,
sailshaw@aol.com

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Jo wrote

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This has been NO tease. You have money - get your ass on a plane and bring Safe Crack with you. Expect to spent at least a wk....copying and collecting data.
I won't be good for more than about 4 hours a day and then will have to rest. YOU will sign a confidentiality agreement and you will NOT be able to use the files for PROFIT, but to assist in proving or disproving Weber was Cooper. If the FBI wants to participate - I will think about that one.

I'm still fond of you Jo even though you are getting pretty bossy in the prior paragraph. You still are putting the cart before the Clydesdales. Put Duane in a parachute and THEN I'll give your material a lot of immediate attention.

377

I have done that, Sir. Would you like a deposition?

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Smoke jumper history is richly documented. We had no trouble proving Sheridan Peterson had been a USFS smoke jumper. You have some fuzzy photos and wishful thinking Jo. Zero evidence that Duane Weber was a jumper, packer or in any other way associated with smoke jumpers. The camp photos in my opinion do not have enough detail to PROVE a match to Weber using facial recognition software. Georger might be able to disprove it by comparing ear locations.

Duane's alleged metamorphosis from a bungling thief to a guy who could successfully plan and execute NORJACK is simply too big a stretch. You disagree. I know that. We just don't see eye to eye on Webers abilities.

377

I believe you understand the situation quite well. I can verify that Weber had very little input to the plans. He did pick the jump spot based on past knowledge of the area. He called it, "My place."

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Hi 377

You mention Sheridan was a smoke jumper (I think it has been mentioned he worked for the USFS as a jumper for three years). Sheridan told me a lot about his USFS work and how he was not afraid to jump into the forests except for jumping onto a clif. He did not worry about water or tree landings. He could walk out of any place he jumped and was really good at pathfinding and surviving. Some where in the past posts it was mentioned Sheridan did a demonstration jump in a suit (much the same as DB Cooper) and it was before Norjack when he was possibly in the Boeing Skydiving Club. Does anyone remember the suit description (and shoes) he used in the demonstration jump?

Also, Has anyone heard if the FBI has made any progress on getting the DNA from the four letters (stamps/envelope flaps) sent to the papers just after Norjack? When compared with Sheridan, I believe they will find a match and will be well on their way to solving the crime. This is truly the "smoking gun" in the case and will blow it wide open.

Thanks,
sailshaw@aol.com

Sorry, that's more phony evidence, buddy. The only "Smoking Gunn" in this case that could tell you anything is Mike Barton. But he won't, because he's a team member. You float in Never-Never-Land with your string of lame-brained theories. Talk to Nick O'Hara or Ralph to get the real skinny. They MIGHT tell you the truth, if you promise to keep a secret...... You are a discredit to honest men.

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So, NOW, we accept these web pages info as fact?
I thought when I introduced this info it was not to be taken as fact, because nothing on the internet is real?

I am so confused! History is fake, the web is not real, or is history true and the web is real and we are all fake?

Copper is laughing his ass off in Mexico, enjoying a cold one.

Matt

Yes, you are a figment of your own mind. Everything you say is not real. History is a fabrication written to make you think you are in charge and everything is peachy keen. In fact, it is upside down and inside out. Bottom up, top down and moving faster and faster. Buy gold and store canned goods. Glenn Beck.

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So, NOW, we accept these web pages info as fact?
I thought when I introduced this info it was not to be taken as fact, because nothing on the internet is real?

I am so confused! History is fake, the web is not real, or is history true and the web is real and we are all fake?

Copper is laughing his ass off in Mexico, enjoying a cold one.

Matt

Yes, you are a figment of your own mind. Everything you say is not real. History is a fabrication written to make you think you are in charge and everything is peachy keen. In fact, it is upside down and inside out. Bottom up, top down and moving faster and faster. Buy gold and store canned goods. Glenn Beck.

Knoss, You are a figment of your own imagination. And your mention of Glenn Beck means that you are as nutty as him. But Beck makes a lot more money at being a screwball than you. So eat your heart out.

Robert99

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So, NOW, we accept these web pages info as fact?
I thought when I introduced this info it was not to be taken as fact, because nothing on the internet is real?

I am so confused! History is fake, the web is not real, or is history true and the web is real and we are all fake?

Copper is laughing his ass off in Mexico, enjoying a cold one.

Matt

Yes, you are a figment of your own mind. Everything you say is not real. History is a fabrication written to make you think you are in charge and everything is peachy keen. In fact, it is upside down and inside out. Bottom up, top down and moving faster and faster. Buy gold and store canned goods. Glenn Beck.

Knoss, You are a figment of your own imagination. And your mention of Glenn Beck means that you are as nutty as him. But Beck makes a lot more money at being a screwball than you. So eat your heart out.

Robert99

+1000

All aboard for Cobol

[mrshutter45 21]

"Sorry, that's more phony evidence"

everything you say is phony Bob, you can't even get Janets story right with your story! you put him on the ground before she seen him on the stairs!

you won't answer the questions about your "phony" flight path!
you show "phony" pictures as "evidence"
you won't answer questions of why you skewed everything on your map to fit your needs! nothing!

BE GONE PROBLEM CHILD.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

you gotta get up mighty early for that crown

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI