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Good eye Mrshutter45, I believe that those are some smokes in that pocket too. But IF (if here) that picture is of Kenny, then there is final proof positive, that he is NOT DB Cooper.

This has been brought up at least eight (8) times as a reason that Gossett could not be Cooper, so it is certified, verified and validated as iron clad and no excuses or crybabies.

Set your faces to stunned when you see this astonishing development! You have been warned, but at least this long, tragic nightmare is finally over.

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Good attention to detail Mrshutter45. The nom-de-jour of Geestman a couple years ago was ‘Watson’. What adds to the confusion is the fact that RobertMBlevins states that he never uses aliases even though you will see them constantly used. Why he feels the need to make these absurd statements are beyond me.

This confusion is multiplied by his ‘revisions’ which make no reference to the changes nor their cause. Like a paragraph about Captain Scott being deleted from the original version because it was fabricated out of whole cloth by the author. Nope, just a deletion. Same with the names so it can be confusing except that he repeats everything so often that you are going to pick his phantom edits up by osmosis.

So you have Kenny at ‘Watson’s’ (not their real name) and Geestman’s (their real name, maybe) wedding on the same day. But the hairy arms certainly eliminate Kenny from the suspect pool now so it is all moot and no longer matters.

Clearly all the ‘testimony’ is coincidence or pure BS since Kenny is NOT Cooper as ironically established by RobertMBlevins. Strange world.

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Hmmmmmm (referring to picture of wedding with name 'Watson' on the photo)



Same wedding, Shutter. Geestman is referred to as 'Mike Watson' in Blast. Margie was called 'Katy Watson'. This was for legal reasons. Later, when Bernie came on Decoded, we started referring to him by his real name. We revealed the true identities of the principles after the show aired, with the exception of Bernie's sister, Dawn.

The reason for not revealing Dawn's true name is for her own safety. She mostly lives alone, although her three grandsons and her daughter take turns spending time with her.

I still like Dawn a lot. She's direct, pragmatic, and wasn't afraid to 'tell it like it is'. The only place she drew the line was to refuse to testify against her brother on television. She wouldn't do that, although she stuck to her testimony even after he tried to get her to take everything back.

She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.


ok, but we still have problems!

no green on the fairway a top of his head B|
all of the hair went to his arms B|
creampuff issues
possible Powderpuff issues B|
zero pics of rug on the fairway >:(
zero proof money was found on property (hearsay)
the "hiding spot in the attic is questionable because the piece could have been put there for matching the counter top later on, piece was jagged as in left over from a project and thrown in the attic then the new insulation came in and covered it!....possible B|

also appears he has a "under bite" looking at the "Geestman wedding
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Kenny's photo was probably f/8 being an old Brownie
620 fixed lens f/5.6-f/8 or Kodak 35mm shot at f/8.

That would explain why the scales in these photos is
roughly the same, except for the differences
Farflung noted.

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It could have been a polaroid. Some of the photos I have of Duane from that time period were taken with a polaroid - and why the detail is NOT too great on certain photos. The 1970 or 1971 photo I used where I cut the wife out of the photo - was a polaroid shot.

If someone was going to do a picture that would show the subject presenting themselves as a suspect in a major crime, I seriously do NOT think they would have taken it into a local Drug Store to be developed.
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Jo, I do not "poke" at you, you just take every question personally.

There are many "Wavy Greenes", but it is not my job to prove Weber is Cooper, it is my job to call into question things I see or think are wrong.

I also see no "revelation" in Duane's fraudulent enlistment to the Army. He got caught before he could do much, so if there is a record, and it survived the fires in the warehouse, it would be pretty thin. But I also think the Navy record, IMO, would be thin, but to you it may be in "great detail".

I hope last night you found the evidence that proves us all wrong, and is the true story.

I never said he couldn't be Cooper, just doubt he was, as I have not seen any direct evidence that makes the logical leap.

Matt



You avoid my question.
Was there a Wavy Greene with any spelling in the ARMY (1941 to 1945) that was only one digit off from Duane's Army serial number? I want to know WHY the FBI lied to me or if they actually made that kind of mistake.

The FBI KNEW the letter gave a month and day in 1943 and was addressed from Camp Siebert, Alabama. I provided the FBI the envelope this letter was mailed in around 2003 or 2004 (I am not certain of the date and I am not going to pull the old FBI receipt for the DNA I provided).

Attention Georger:
This was when the FBI was checking DNA. Wonder if the DNA that was pulled from that envelope had the KPD signals in the DNA. Something interesting to consider - you think?
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the guy on the left does not look like kenny IMO
the guy in the center is JFK B|



Yea, that is Kenny and he not only has a receding hair line - he is bald on top and into the back.

Note his lower lip - when he smiles or even if he frowned that lower lip and chin goes forward. To much so to be Cooper. Since I happen to know about an expression Cooper made during the skyjacking (told to the composite artist) and might not be in the official records. This artist talked to the witness and tried to make them comfortable and engaged them in conversation. One of the witnesses was very adamant about an expression Cooper made. Before Doug Pasternack could tell me what it was -I STOPPED him and told him what the expression or motion was.

This was ONE of those moments when I knew something about Cooper that had NOT been MADE public. Doug NOR I will EVER forget that phone call. This action was one Duane used when ever he wanted to drive his point home. The expression is NOT one commonly used in the same manner as Cooper used it...Weber had a little quirk about this expression which made it a little different than someone else making the same jester or expression of displeasure or irritation.

NOW WATCH Blevins and others USE this regarding their subjects..

P.S. I compose my posts on line and do not read below the post I am addressing. When I posted the above statements I then read the post Mrsshutter had written. I will assure all of you from what the artist stated there was no bite problem with Cooper, but he was expressive with a part of his anatomy.
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She remains the ONLY person to positively associate the tie-tac from the FBI picture with a person: Kenny Christiansen. And she did this BEFORE she was told Kenny was being investigated in the Cooper case.



Excuse me - your own post prove that is an incorrect statement. If she didn't know why you were there and you left the pictures with her so she could make up her mind. THEN when you get back she is talking and then the next day....gimme a break! This is from what you have posted on this thread - I have NOT read your book.
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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...



Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...



Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99



I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...



Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99



I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!



I think it's too big to be a pilot's case.

Robert99

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Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...



Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it?

Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment.

Robert99



I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!!



I think it's too big to be a pilot's case.

Robert99



keep in mind that it is old school, I posted a pic
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I think Mrshutte45 is correct about the ‘Flight Bag’. It has been identified in the past on this quality thread, as a standard cosmetics sample bag (as if) to an ordinary brief case. You can always count on the DBC thread to supply accuracy and sane input. Then silence on the subject.

We always carried at least one or two of such ‘bags’ (each) on every flight. Think about all the SIDs and approach plates for the US along with the low and high instrument charts. Yep, they were packed in their like sardines too. Not like the virtually empty example with Clint.

Those bags also contained the operating manuals for the aircraft which were in volumes in those funky binders that had a pull pin that kept them bound. When we would be waiting on the ramp for transportation, they would become seats also.

The briefcase used by DB Cooper was described as nothing like this type of case. But you must remember that identifying briefcases are more difficult in an aircraft then they are out in the open. Unless the person has hairy arms, then he isn’t DB Cooper. Ever.

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Wasn't a Polaroid. I have the original. Just a standard print with the date printed on the front by the developer. Says 'Feb 72'. Christmas wreath says it was probably taken the previous December. And why would the picture be so damning? Just a guy walking into an apartment holding a briefcase and a white paper bag...



Just curious - any markings on the paper back -
Kodak?

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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans B|

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans B|



Its never hit me as a gag as much as an ordinary
photo of the guy walking through a door arriving
home, maybe homecoming? Birthday party arrival?
Looks a little surprised - likehe's saying something
or about to ?

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I think the picture was some sort of gag between him and some guys, it's possible he used this case while walking through the airport so he could be taken as a pilot? who knows.

if you watched the Clint Eastwood pilot clip it appears to be about the same case, when asked what was in it, he replied charts and flight plans B|



Its never hit me as a gag as much as an ordinary
photo of the guy walking through a door arriving
home, maybe homecoming? Birthday party arrival?
Looks a little surprised - likehe's saying something
or about to ?


hard to say, the door seems to have aready been open, he would have had to put something down or juggle things and this would have been caught as he came thru the door if it was closed and as Robert said he has no keys? he is just crossing the threshold when the pic was snapped B|

remember this just happened if the date is correct so I'm sure this was the subject of discussion for some time, room for a joke or two.....
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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OK, because I care too much; I’ve decided to make the ‘hairy arm’ controversy scientific. This subject has been brought up too many times to be of trivial or passing interest and must be defined for the better of all mankind.

With my usual care and precise approach, a measure of arm hairyness now exists. It’s a non-linear scale because it’s scientific as are all legitimate scales, look it up yourselves. The scale covers every living thing on Earth, thus excluding nothing. It is called the Hairy Arm or HA Index and should be used to identify legitimate DB Cooper suspects and conversely exclude any posers who pollute the air with their rancid appearances.

According to unknown documents, Cooper did not have arms which exceeded a level of HA-2.98 to HA-3.141592653 at the very most, lest we go round in circles. Arm hairyness has been overlooked too long and must be embraced by the entire cadre of quality Cooper researchers. Once again, you’re welcome.

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I really think you guys do NOT have anything better to do lately.

Flight case verse Brief Case. All of this was well documented hundreds of pages ago. Why undertake it again?

We all agreed the case was NOT a brief case - and it was decided it might be too wide for a Pilots flight case, but it didn't make any difference. It was not a briefcase - and Cooper was carrying a briefcase. Hence the picture is a joke.

We have already discussed the white plastic bag Kenny had in his hands - definite not a white bank bag. Therefore I do not understand why you guys continue to haggle over this with Blevins.

Have any of U guys got wives or girlfriends? Why are U guys so involved in the pros and cons of Kenny versus any other suspect?

Lyle has a pair boots and an old briefcase - he is taking with him to some kind of writers forum. He now claims Kenny had a scar on his left hand and that Kenny communicated with Max Gunther and the story was based on what Kenny told Max. Claimed Kenny could make his voice sound like a woman.

Does any of this sound familiar?

1,
Duane had a scar on his left hand - verified by his San Quentin and Folsom record.

2.
Jo Weber communicated with Max Gunther about "his" Clara.

3.
Max and Jo had long conversations and exchanged several written communications.

4.
Max listened to a tape of someone from Duane past. Max stated that he felt sure his Clara and the woman on the tape were one and the same.

5.
Clara and the mystery lady - made the very same expressions - and actually spelled certain expressions out in a letter to Max and the other in a letter to Jo. It was coy remarks!

6.
Clara and the mystery lady both seemed to enjoy having a few too many before engaging in a conversation about Cooper.

7.
Clara and the mystery lady both liked the late evening hours to talk.

8.
Himmelsbach promoted the whitesh bank bag story

9.
The co-pilot insisted the money was in a different kind of bag.

10.
In a conversation Jo had with Mr. H. He told her a satchel she had in her possession was NOT the bag the money was in and of no significance.

11. Several yrs later Jo would become aware of the co-pilots claim regarding the bag the money went out of the plane in. It did NOT go out of that plane in a whitish Bank bag, but another bag closely resembling a flight satchel.

12. Jo had reported seeing a whitish bank bag in her husband van in 1990 with the name of a WA bank on it...but no one believed her.

13. The bank bag was put into a satchel - and why the bank bag was so pristine.

Well, since 13 is supposed to be a bad number I will stop on 13. My luck couldn't get any worse as it is.

Oh what the Hell:

14. NOTE the first leads on the case came out of Jefferson! Agent reports have been lost by the FBI! Good excuse for not solving the case.

15. Duane was in that prison under the name of John and not Duane. Collins and not Weber. The prison had NO record for Duane L. Weber when I contacted them, but it was a yes on John Collins.

16. When I sent someone to the prison to obtain the records they received a different story.

17. John Collins received a commutation of sentence - not Duane L. Weber. Only when CARR came to this thread (YEARS LATER) was I allowed to access the Jefferson file after the actual file of paper work was destroyed.

18. The computer report provide minimal information and connects Weber with Collins.

19. Jo and 2 other parties were told Weber WAS never in Jefferson. Why wait until the back-up papers were destroyed before admitting Weber was in Jefferson?

20. Now that is a story conspiracies are made of! Why I ever even thought "conspiracy" in the first place and in enters BK with his amazing story.

21. Jo was not stupid so she played along just to see if there was any sustance to BK's story or The more he talked and the more "bait" she fed him the bigger his story got. The bait was loaded with laxatives.



What a RIDE this has been!
One moment I am a widow of a 17 yrs marriage and 14 months later - my world turns upside down - all because of ONE damn book.....

What could I have done with the last 18 yrs of my life had it not been for a book D.B. Cooper:
What Really Happened
?

Whatever it was - would probably have been more productive and profitable. As it is my real estate career took a big hit in a negative way regarding going public. It was also very hard on my marriage to a very wonderful man who deserved more from me than he got.

Now my health is failing and it is time to make the plunge just as Cooper did on Nov. 24th. !

Interesting thought. Do the skydivers at DZ think they could figure out how to make Weber's ashes arrive by chute on the FBI's doorstep in Seattle. If this saga is going to end perhaps sensationalism is the way to go.
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What could I have done with the last 18 yrs of my life had it not been for a book D.B. Cooper:
What Really Happened?



You could have done lots of things Jo. Your decision to make this DW=DBC pursuit a full time endeavor rather than a part time one is a choice you made. There is still time left to take a vacation from this maelstrom. The question is: can you wean yourself from the Cooper stuff for even a few weeks? I hope you can.

You equate FBI screw ups and errors with a coverup. I think they are less sinister with regard to Duane. They'd love to solve Norjack. I know you disagree.

I witnessed plenty of FBI errors when I was doing criminal defense. It's an inevitable part of police work. They get some things wrong. It doesn't always mean a coverup.

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You equate FBI screw ups and errors with a coverup. I think they are less sinister with regard to Duane. They'd love to solve Norjack. I know you disagree.

I witnessed plenty of FBI errors when I was doing criminal defense. It's an inevitable part of police work. They get some things wrong. It doesn't always mean a coverup.

377



Perhaps I did NOT make myself clear - did I say it was a cover-up? I simply told the story about how I handled the BK thing.

The FBI has definitely made some mistakes regarding Weber and yes, it is a cover-up unless they knowledge these mistake to the public. The mistakes are VERIFIABLE! Yet, the FBI takes it's good old time admitting the mistakes made. To continue to cover ups mistakes is NOT justice...and NOT what this country is supposed to stand for.

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AARP is making an unjust stand against one candidate - I just think that is wrong. This is a senior organization and it is senior dollars that support them.

Any statements by AARP should be unbiased and neutral, plus the information they sent to my door was inaccurate - I was mad as hell with AARP and to think I have my supplement and drug program with them - now they use my money for propaganda against one candiate. Neutral should be their stand and not to bash the other candidate with information that is NOT correctly stated.

This is getting to be the nastiest election ever on record!

Yea, I know - keep politics out of the thread. I really do NOT know who I am going to vote for but for AARP to support one candiate over the other made me SICK when they did it with probaganda and distorted facts.
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