DB Cooper

[matthewcline 0]

I answered your Wavy Green question, twice at least.
But here goes again. There are many on the lists I found, you can look at your lists, they are on the internet, just type it in with the service number. I did not run all of them down, not my job, that is yours.

Then do the same for Duane, I did, he didn't show up.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[Farflung 0]

Skyjack71 says with a detached sense of self:

“I really think you guys do NOT have anything better to do lately.”

That’s a true statement, because I comment between breaks from yard work, vehicle maintenance and an infinitely long list of honeydews.

Slyjack71 continues with:

“Flight case verse Brief Case. All of this was well documented hundreds of pages ago. Why undertake it again?”

Perhaps you could explain the multiple discussions of an electronic back brace which can receive navigation signals and who brought that up multiple times.

Slyjack71 rolls on to induce another error into the thread with:

“We have already discussed the white plastic bag Kenny had in his hands - definite not a white bank bag.”

Correct on it not being a white bank bag but it is clearly a PAPER bag in his hands and NOT plastic. This is what makes subjects reappear and be discussed over and over. Please don’t add to the lore with these data errors, there are already enough, we don’t need any more.

Skyjack71 finally asks a question that only a woman is capable of crafting with:

“Have any of U guys got wives or girlfriends? Why are U guys so involved in the pros and cons of Kenny versus any other suspect?”

Reference my first answer with the breaks between yard work and honeydews. Why do you think we seek refuge and solace on a computer for a few minutes here and there? Because if we just sit down and gaze into the horizon, appearing to be ‘doing nothing’ (in womanese) it strikes anger in the female’s heart, and they must create a new activity for men, since they apparently view themselves as some sort of little manager or supervisor of our already shorter life spans. Are you starting to dial this in? The very fact that we hack out some repeated response to some brain dead theory, is in and of itself, proof that we have girlfriends and or wives. Is this really this hard? Secondly, the passive aggressive syntax is not a foreign language or code speak like Esperanto to us men, we understand it just fine, we simply and universally don’t chat about it, because we realize we are a defeated species and on our best days we pray to receive ‘less punishment’. We aren’t so stupid to see a non-sequitur asking about girlfriends, followed by an admonishment about only talking about Kenny; you want us (with or without wives or girlfriends) to talk exclusively about Duane. See, we really do understand your weird and freaky language. But while I’m on a computer, I can feign searching for the perfect ‘anniversary gift’, avoid a new project in the yard and let my brain go flat line and rest while I appear to be living, in spite of repeating some crap about a dufus suspect which no one believes for a second is Cooper.

There you have it Skyjack71; I hope this response is all that you hoped it would be. Some of us are simply looking for a distraction and some relief from the very thing you brought up with your self-absorbed comments, why aren’t we doing what YOU want. Because we are already avoiding doing something that someone else wants (wives and girlfriends) us to do. Is this 100% clear now?

[Farflung 0]

Farflung’s Sunday:

A: Cut lawn, edge, weed and apply fall fertilizer stakes to trees.

B: Replace battery on motorcycle.

C: Read the instructions on battery replacement AFTER dropping 26 lb unit into container.

(Take a break to cool off physically and mentally on computer)

D: Attempt a power lift of 26 lb battery using only sweaty finger tips resulting in failure.

E: Pull weeds in side yard.

(Cool off in front of computer for 15 minutes)

F: Prune trees, bushes and avoid heat stroke, allow tears to invisibly mix with sweat.

(Drink four pints of water in front of computer while answering- yeeessssss, to all shouted questions)

G: Finally removed battery from motorcycle, made modifications, installed new unit and ops checked.

H: Replaced three low voltage light bulbs in the front yard.

(Getting tired, strength fading fast, but can type unmolested on computer for….. yeeeeessssss)

I: Filled spare tire with air, even though it was known to be flat for weeks, foolishly looked un-busy while on computer.

J: Randomly moved objects in garage with occasional use of power tools while secretly drinking a cool, sweet beer. (This was added as a task since women won’t allow silent beer drinking, thus making this closer to work, look it up.)

(Went to bed knowing full well that another week of the same shameful activities await and fantasize about heart failure in my sleep)

Monday 8:00 AM: Read Skyjack71’s post about how little men accomplish on the thread.

As you can see, out of the entire day, I managed to squeak out about 45 minutes to an hour on the computer. Yet in spite of my heroic, albeit futile, attempts to avoid having even more of my day off consumed with drudgery; there was the addition of a cyber task to discuss Duane more, while being brow beat for having nothing to do. No man on Earth is a stranger to these apex insults, which are crafted by those who typically spend their days engaged in doing…… whatever, because men can live and let live, without skulking around the homestead being some sort of discontented, spontaneous task master.

So if you see some massive void in my Sunday which needed to be filled Skyjack71 with your superior and urgent activities, perhaps you could suggest a schedule modification. Yeaaaaaah, that would be….. greaaaaaaaaat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DS4CeP_QLA

I guess we all have mini-Lumberghs in our lives to contend with, but in cyber space too?

[matthewcline 0]

You're Killing Me!

Great posts!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

this was found in two minutes

http://www.governmentattic.org/3docs/NPRC_VIP_List_2009.pdf

scroll down to Weber

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[matthewcline 0]

Didn't see that one, I was in an Army Only server.
Interesting how that is a heavily filtered "VIP" list.
I wonder who made the annotation, with what authority and evidence? Typically any thing "Official" would not put a personal opinion out as "fact" like that.

So does this answer Jo's curiosities?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

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Didn't see that one, I was in an Army Only server.
Interesting how that is a heavily filtered "VIP" list.
I wonder who made the annotation, with what authority and evidence? Typically any thing "Official" would not put a personal opinion out as "fact" like that.

So does this answer Jo's curiosities?

Matt

yep, they rip on Howard Cosell pretty bad calling him the worst sports caster, seen Cosby, Bing Crosby's brother etc etc

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

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I answered your Wavy Green question, twice at least.
But here goes again. There are many on the lists I found, you can look at your lists, they are on the internet, just type it in with the service number. I did not run all of them down, not my job, that is yours.

Then do the same for Duane, I did, he didn't show up.

Matt

If it didn't show up it has been removed - what would be the purpose of that. I have ACTUAL government documents regarding the Army. I cannot scan a document that will post in the thread. If there is a way for this to be done - send me a PM and I will try.

If these documents have been expunged or deleted - that sounds very suspicious. My documents came directly from Veterans Affairs or whatever that Office was I went to in Pensacola several yrs ago.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

I could NOT download that page You guys are talking about.

Damn you get honey do's at home and then get on the computer and get Granny can't do's.

I will try to download when I am not on the thread and maybe that will work unless you guys have a key word I need to type in.

What is unusual about whatever is stated regarding Weber?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Only one person to have actually taken the time to see come see me viewed this photo. It has come to my attention I need to let go of some of these things.

I will only show the part of this photo that is necessary to make a point as I have always protected those who Duane knew.

Note: Most pictures taken of Duane after the crime show his hair a sometimes wavy, but sleek with gray hair and with the right product he kept a sleeker look.

This photo was taken in a very public place so he is clowning around, but note his hair. His early pictures prior to 1968 sometimes reflected his hair as being curly and wavy....but none where of high enough quality to make my point.

1. Note the curly hair - he was in a very humidy place at this time and completely surrounded by water....and WA is very humid in November.

2. He had stopped dying his hair and let the gray grow-out and usually very well groomed. This photo caught a part of Weber seldom seen except by those who knew him well.

3. Note the forehead creases and note the hair line appears to be receding even though it was NOT to any extent also this photo is taken by a person much shorter than Weber so the angle is looking up.

4. Note the eye lids! Look carefully and then compare the lids with the composite.

5. He is clowning with a wide eyed expression, but this one photo was the highest quality photo taken of Weber. Even the raising of the eyebrows and a clown factor he could NOT dequise his curly hair nor the shape of the eyelids.

6. We all have some irregularity to our lids - but this ONE is dead on with the composite.

7. I have a prior photo that shows what appears to be a bruise or scar on his forhead, but that photo was poor quality and the mark could have been a smudge of some sort on the photo - so I have never used it.

8. Do any of you see some things noted to the composite artist? Remember his forehead had a slant to it.

9. Let your imagination place the photo of the glasses up on this portion of his head. The wife sent me a picture of her holding these glasses. Remember the stems of the sun glasses where wide and the nose piece of the frame allowed the glasses to sit lower on his nose and face than the regular glasses he wore. The prescript lens he wore with his regular glasses (made his eyes look smaller than they actually were).

10. Also remember the witnesses looked directly at him or from the side or from above him when he was seated. The concepts of the position these individuals view Cooper all have to be taken into acoount.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Farflung 0]

As a courtesy to Skyjack71, I’ve listed some of the oft use phrases favored by women who have secret group meetings in restrooms, and think that men aren’t aware of their true meaning. Like whining about something already being discussed when the real translation means talk about Duane for the billionth time. To avoid any confusion and deflect any blame, I arranged the things a woman would say numerically. The alpha characters represent precisely what every man on the planet, knows this passive aggressive fragment, laced with concern, to actually mean. But feel free to deny in the face of it all.


1. Now that you’re done with that…..
A. The productive must be rewarded with more work.

2. We need to talk.
B. Squeal like a pig, squeeeeeallllllll!

3. Do you need anything from the store?
C. Just talk randomly because you know it’ll never show up.

4. When are you going to…….
D. You know I don’t care when, just do it!

5. What do you think about…..
E. You know it doesn’t matter at all, just violently agree.

6. I don’t understand why you’re always at that stupid bar.
F. I believe that crabbing about you being gone; will somehow make you want to stay to listen to more crabbing.

7. Where do you want to go for dinner?
G. Pick my favorite place or die.

8. What are you thinking about?
H. I’m a needy black hole of despair, and want you to join me.

9. The car is making a strange sound.
I. You’re buying a new car very soon.

10. I got this on sale.
J. You’re going bankrupt.

11. Are you ready yet?
K. You will be kept waiting for at least 45 more minutes.

12. Do you like this song?
L. Agreeing to liking any Kenny G song saves me from humiliating you in front of your friends.

13. Do you like making me cry?
M. You should have said you liked Kenny G.

14. What are you doing tomorrow?
N. You’re carrying bags at the mall.

15. What would you like for dinner?
O. Insist on going out.

16. You’re not going to the bar now?
P. You’re not going to the bar now?

17. We can order an appetizer and share.
Q. Touch one shrimp scampi and you’ll pull back a bloody stump.

18. Hold my purse.
R. Castration is still illegal.

19. What do you want to watch?
S. Lifetime, Friends re-runs, QVC, Oprah, Martha Stewart.

20. I want to do, what you want to do.
T. As long as you want to watch Lifetime, Friends re-runs, Oprah, Martha Stewart.

21. I can’t bear to leave you.
U. Don’t drink, laugh or otherwise enjoy living.

22. Sandra’s husband makes $140k.
V. Castration is still illegal.

23. What’s so funny?
W. Were you enjoying life?

24. I might as well not be here.
X. I’m not going anywhere, ever.

25. Do you remember my friend Jennifer?
Y. Display anything but a grimace while recalling her and die!

26. Remember your……
Z. It’s destroyed.

You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.

[skyjack71 0]

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You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.

Sorry Farflung I so NOT fit the profile! Number one - I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.

NO, I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber. YOU have NO idea what I am trying to do.

I have not lied or told a story and right now I am just trying to tell the things I have held back on - it makes no difference if Duane was Cooper or not to any of you. I am just putting everything on the line and in public...I am not here for profit or attention like others....

For instance - Matt and someone else tells me about a site - that I can't find and Matt tells me Weber was NOT in the army yet I have the papers. I ask someone how I present the paper on the thread and they change the subject.

Do you actually know what I want to do, but haven't figured out how to do this fiancially or physically? I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out and actually takes some of the things I have pointed out and explain to me - why I have caught them in SO MANY errors.

The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do. (I was not even able to recite a poem standing up in class).

I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....The FBI agent who came to see me did NOT know anything about Cooper. Then after all of these yrs - the FBI has been caught in misnomers that need to be explained and the only way to do that is in-person....but I would be my own worse representative....because I will go completely blank and my notes won't mean a thing to me.

Because of how the FBI has treated me - I am afraid of them and yet angry at them for how they handled this case. I want the FBI to stand up and state EXACTLY why and prove HOW they have Cooper's DNA...did they test the ropes (why not). I also want to know how many DNA markers did they extract from the items I sent them and exactly what items this DNA was extracted from. This is important as some of those item had never been used. I want to know if they extracted any DNA from those items with the PKD markers - if there is actually such a thing.

How are they SO sure they have Cooper's DNA. What was so unique about Cooper's DNA on that tie that they know it belonged to Cooper. I feel I deserve an explanation about the fingerprint situation and how the FBI handle that one.

WHY did the FBI agent actually lie to me about Duane? That in itself is a loaded question. I can PROVE the agent lied and I want to know why. I can prove another agent was negligent in how he handled information and I want to know why.

If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT COOPER - why have they NOT sat down with me and told me exactly what they have that proves Weber could not be Cooper....

THEY screwed up ROYALLY with 2 different AGENTS on the prints.
AND that ALONE says they NEVER invested in Weber as Cooper.

I got one AGENT on Tape and I got the other on the THREAD. These mistakes indicated they did NOT seriously investigate Weber.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

Polymorphic DNA markers can now be used for presymptomatic and prenatal diagnosis of the autosomal dominant form of polycystic kidney disease (PKD).

the site you can't see is a PDF file which you probably don't have, there is not much on it about Duane except this small paragraph. (see photo)

Matt said he couldn't find anything on Duane, I don't think he said he wasn't in the Army.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

Skyjack71 crabs and complains about:

“Why are U guys so involved in the pros and cons of Kenny versus any other suspect?”

Skyjack71 then declares:

“I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber.”

Well then, who did YOU mean by any other suspect? So far it has been Duane, Duane, Duane and Duane, at the exclusion of all others. Sure looks like passive aggressive steering of the subject to me, but I don’t expect any confessions.

Skyjack71 astonishingly states:

“I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.”

Skyjack71 goes on to declare in the body of the SAME comment these man-centric phrases:

“I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out…..”

“The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do.”

Sooooooo…… ummm….. your solution is to camp out on the FBI’s doorstep until they ‘Hear You Out’, where you know that once in front of them you will forget everything you were going to say. You sound exactly like a man with that plan.

Skyjack71 goes on with man-like linear logic by typing:

“I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....”

I couldn’t have said that better myself, this is probably the keynote of the entire DBC thread. Yep, I’m convinced that Skyjack71 does in fact “think like a man”, and as she went on to clarify with- “and not a woman”. My bad.

[Robert99 50]

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You can thank me later Skyjack71, as I’m sure you’re shocked that us men actually know so much about this secret language, and the homicide rates remain incredibly stable in spite of it all. So the only reason you would keep up the pretense of concern about subjects being repeated and people having not enough to do, is because that is how you get your jollies.

Sorry Farflung I so NOT fit the profile! Number one - I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman.

NO, I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber. YOU have NO idea what I am trying to do.

I have not lied or told a story and right now I am just trying to tell the things I have held back on - it makes no difference if Duane was Cooper or not to any of you. I am just putting everything on the line and in public...I am not here for profit or attention like others....

For instance - Matt and someone else tells me about a site - that I can't find and Matt tells me Weber was NOT in the army yet I have the papers. I ask someone how I present the paper on the thread and they change the subject.

Do you actually know what I want to do, but haven't figured out how to do this fiancially or physically? I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out and actually takes some of the things I have pointed out and explain to me - why I have caught them in SO MANY errors.

The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do. (I was not even able to recite a poem standing up in class).

I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....The FBI agent who came to see me did NOT know anything about Cooper. Then after all of these yrs - the FBI has been caught in misnomers that need to be explained and the only way to do that is in-person....but I would be my own worse representative....because I will go completely blank and my notes won't mean a thing to me.

Because of how the FBI has treated me - I am afraid of them and yet angry at them for how they handled this case. I want the FBI to stand up and state EXACTLY why and prove HOW they have Cooper's DNA...did they test the ropes (why not). I also want to know how many DNA markers did they extract from the items I sent them and exactly what items this DNA was extracted from. This is important as some of those item had never been used. I want to know if they extracted any DNA from those items with the PKD markers - if there is actually such a thing.

How are they SO sure they have Cooper's DNA. What was so unique about Cooper's DNA on that tie that they know it belonged to Cooper. I feel I deserve an explanation about the fingerprint situation and how the FBI handle that one.

WHY did the FBI agent actually lie to me about Duane? That in itself is a loaded question. I can PROVE the agent lied and I want to know why. I can prove another agent was negligent in how he handled information and I want to know why.

If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT COOPER - why have they NOT sat down with me and told me exactly what they have that proves Weber could not be Cooper....

THEY screwed up ROYALLY with 2 different AGENTS on the prints.
AND that ALONE says they NEVER invested in Weber as Cooper.

I got one AGENT on Tape and I got the other on the THREAD. These mistakes indicated they did NOT seriously investigate Weber.

Jo, No one, neither the FBI or anyone else, will EVER be able to prove to you that Duane was not Cooper. Even if Cooper's body was found in the brush near Vancouver/Portland with the rest of the money, you would still claim that Duane was Cooper.

So stop trying to humor the rest of the people on this thread. Jo Weber is just another name for Closed Mind.

Robert99

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Jo, No one, neither the FBI or anyone else, will EVER be able to prove to you that Duane was not Cooper. Even if Cooper's body was found in the brush near Vancouver/Portland with the rest of the money, you would still claim that Duane was Cooper.

Jo Weber is just another name for Closed Mind.

Robert99

All the FBI has to do is explain OBVIOUS mistakes. Prove "their" DNA and PROVE Duane's DNA.

DID the samples they take of Duane's DNA - show the PDK markers? Did they find those PDK markers on the items they retrived from me.

How do they know the tie was Coopers - it did NOT show up for several hours and has been shown to witnesses and NOT in a controled circumstances, but by an agent with his own suspect and agenda. Was there a witness to this - someone besides that ONE agent?

Correct their statements regarding Duane's criminal records and miltary background.

Explain why the agent stated Weber only "passsed thru" McNeil and then ONLY after being cornered by me on the phone.

He had previously denied Duane was ever a resident of McNeil and yet the following agent declared the prints used for Weber were the McNeil prints.

How can the FBI use the oldest set of prints on Weber that they denied in the first place instead of the Jefferson File I was REFUSED access to!??? Even if the file was destroyed by Ms at a later date - the FBI would have ordered a copy of the complete file prior to that and it should be on file at the SEATTLE FBI OFFICE...I want to see that complete file.

The FBI admitted that the notes taken by the Missouri FBI when they went to Jefferson to investigate the very first Cooper lead have been lost...or destroyed. Supposedly the written reports would have been sent to the Seattle Office - but NO one knows what happened to them.

Of Course - I do NOT trust the agent who told me this.

Explain Weber's knowledge of the area and since he was a convict - they should be able to tell me what and where he was between 1944 until 1948.

Do the PHOTO recognition - it is now valid and to stop using an old photo that John (Duane's brother) scanned on some old equipment and distorted the pic. It was the 1st picture I had ever seen of Duane as a young man. The other photo he sent at the same time was a full length and it was also distorted in the same way...yet the FBI continues to use this photo of Weber. STUPID! Duane did NOT look anything like that in 1971. Nor at the time the photo was taken.

MY mind is NOT closed to sound investigations and proof of the investigation. MY mind IS CLOSED TO one agent stating one thing and then another stating something entirely different. YET, they are both supposed to be looking at the same file.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Farflung 0]

Skyjack71 self righteously declares:

“I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber.”



Then posts:

“All the FBI has to do is explain OBVIOUS mistakes. Prove "their" DNA and PROVE Duane's DNA.

DID the samples they take of Duane's DNA - show the PDK markers? Did they find those PDK markers on the items they retrived from me.

How do they know the tie was Coopers - it did NOT show up for several hours and has been shown to witnesses and NOT in a controled circumstances, but by an agent with his own suspect and agenda. Was there a witness to this - someone besides that ONE agent?

Correct their statements regarding Duane's criminal records and miltary background.

Explain why the agent stated Weber only "passsed thru" McNeil and then ONLY after being cornered by me on the phone.

He had previously denied Duane was ever a resident of McNeil and yet the following agent declared the prints used for Weber were the McNeil prints.

How can the FBI use the oldest set of prints on Weber that they denied in the first place instead of the Jefferson File I was REFUSED access to!??? Even if the file was destroyed by Ms at a later date - the FBI would have ordered a copy of the complete file prior to that and it should be on file at the SEATTLE FBI OFFICE...I want to see that complete file.

The FBI admitted that the notes taken by the Missouri FBI when they went to Jefferson to investigate the very first Cooper lead have been lost...or destroyed. Supposedly the written reports would have been sent to the Seattle Office - but NO one knows what happened to them.

Of Course - I do NOT trust the agent who told me this.

Explain Weber's knowledge of the area and since he was a convict - they should be able to tell me what and where he was between 1944 until 1948.

Do the PHOTO recognition - it is now valid and to stop using an old photo that John (Duane's brother) scanned on some old equipment and distorted the pic. It was the 1st picture I had ever seen of Duane as a young man. The other photo he sent at the same time was a full length and it was also distorted in the same way...yet the FBI continues to use this photo of Weber. STUPID! Duane did NOT look anything like that in 1971. Nor at the time the photo was taken.

MY mind is NOT closed to sound investigations and proof of the investigation. MY mind IS CLOSED TO one agent stating one thing and then another stating something entirely different. YET, they are both supposed to be looking at the same file.”



Well then, this comment is certainly unpolluted with any mention of Duane Weber, I may have been wrong after all.

[BobKnoss 0]

"If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust?
If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life."

Accept what I have said, because everything I said is true. What does not fit into your story is where YOUR story is wrong. Think about it. Remember, you often don't hear what I say, you tend to confuse what you hear. I have no reason to lie, but I have plenty of threats to not tell the truth. I told you what happened because you wanted to know. You can't handle the truth. Think about it carefully. Eventually it won't matter anyway. Nobody really cares now.

[mrshutter45 21]

Bob, for 50th time! nothing you say is TRUE! you have been caught many times!

tell us again about your buddy Dave Haapala? and his Father Bernie who died not to long ago, you know, the Bernie that was old enough to be your Father!!!

you refuse to answer your own questions about your story because you are so caught up in your web that you can't answer them!

would you like a deposition of this?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

NOT ONE PERSON REMARKED ABOUT THIS POST - SO I WILL REPEAT IT - I DO WANT FEED BACK ON IT, BUT FARFLUNG CHOSE TO DIRECT THINGS IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I WAS BEING CONSTRUCTIVE AND RELEASING SOMETHING THAT ANYONE INTERESTED IN DISPROVING DUANE WAS COOPER SHOULD HAVE AND WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED!

I WILL BE SCANNING ONLY ONE EVERY FEW DAYS - SCANS ARE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME AND USING THE COMPUTER IS BECOMING DIFFICULT.

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Only one person to have actually taken the time to see come see me viewed this photo. It has come to my attention I need to let go of some of these things.

I will only show the part of this photo that is necessary to make a point as I have always protected those who Duane knew.

Note: Most pictures taken of Duane after the crime show his hair a sometimes wavy, but sleek with gray hair and with the right product he kept a sleeker look.

This photo was taken in a very public place so he is clowning around, but note his hair. His early pictures prior to 1968 sometimes reflected his hair as being curly and wavy....but none where of high enough quality to make my point.

1. Note the curly hair - he was in a very humidy place at this time and completely surrounded by water....and WA is very humid in November.

2. He had stopped dying his hair and let the gray grow-out and usually very well groomed. This photo caught a part of Weber seldom seen except by those who knew him well.

3. Note the forehead creases and note the hair line appears to be receding even though it was NOT to any extent also this photo is taken by a person much shorter than Weber so the angle is looking up.

4. Note the eye lids! Look carefully and then compare the lids with the composite.

5. He is clowning with a wide eyed expression, but this one photo was the highest quality photo taken of Weber. Even the raising of the eyebrows and a clown factor he could NOT dequise his curly hair nor the shape of the eyelids.

6. We all have some irregularity to our lids - but this ONE is dead on with the composite.

7. I have a prior photo that shows what appears to be a bruise or scar on his forhead, but that photo was poor quality and the mark could have been a smudge of some sort on the photo - so I have never used it.

8. Do any of you see some things noted to the composite artist? Remember his forehead had a slant to it.

9. Let your imagination place the photo of the glasses up on this portion of his head. The wife sent me a picture of her holding these glasses. Remember the stems of the sun glasses where wide and the nose piece of the frame allowed the glasses to sit lower on his nose and face than the regular glasses he wore. The prescript lens he wore with his regular glasses (made his eyes look smaller than they actually were).

10. Also remember the witnesses looked directly at him or from the side or from above him when he was seated. The concepts of the position these individuals view Cooper all have to be taken into acoount.

YOU WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST TO VIEW THE PHOTOS - NOT GOING TO REPEAT THEM - TOO MUCH FOR ME.

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Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Maybe this is some one playing around; but I got an e-mail from a person claiming to be a Lawyer representing two of the slandered individuals mentioned in this thread. They wanted the screen shots and PM's mentioned in this thread.

If real, good for them! If not, well, it should be!

Matt

well I guess the TRUTH will finally come out, just as the person in question always claims...the truth lmao

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Christiansen had little to no hair on top. This presents a problem with his fitting the description as possibly being the hijacker. Sure...we have two witnesses claiming Kenny owned a toupee, and for some strange reason back in May of '72 the Seattle FBI started checking out wig and toupee shops as part of the Cooper investigation. (Source: Bremerton Sun article previously posted). Neither really proves Kenny owned one, or even if the hijacker HAD one, although if he were later proven to be The Guy Who Got Away With It, then you could look back and say 'ah-HA!' Until then, it means zip and is a negative on Christiansen being the hijacker.

On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

they also might of thought he had a wig on to cover his looks more....VS being bald

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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On the other hand, we have Duane Weber who also has a problem: Naturally curly hair is tough to disguise. Even if you grease the heck out of it, the ends are almost certainly bound to curl a bit, unless you have it straightened somehow. You know, by using that 'relaxing' stuff on it. I know little about these things, except I know people can get it done at a salon, or perhaps at home with the right kit.

Just saying there are definitely 'hair problems' with both suspects...

You are being jerk! This is one of the few photos that show Duane with the curly hair. My hair has always been the same. I used to be able to keep it sleek and with whatever curl I chose, but all I had to do was get into the humity or rain and I had ringlet and waves. Now I just have old peoples hair - kinky or I sleek it back with a product.

Twist and Twist to make things appear as you want them. Show us a picture of Kenny with his toupee or with hair after age 45.
Curly or Straight - but at 45 Kenny was definitely BALDING very badly.

Another rainy day and the hair is wavy in this one, but just on top.
This picture was taken in the 1980's approx 83.

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Georger has been absent lately, but thought he might need to be reminded of the photo I labeled OLD GROUCH.

Try the OLD Grouch - I dare you to show a witness this photo and tell her it was an old Cooper. There is something about this photo because Duane was startled by the camera and it caused an EXPRESSION not usually seen by others. Since it was Christmas at home he had NOT GROOMED his hair so it was a little wavy in the photo.

The hair is not the issue in the photo, but OTHER thing are!! George, it is not the fact that he has sideburns and from the angle which is the angle the stewardess viewed Cooper - the ears do not appear to be large like some photos and the expression on his face - well, you know one of the stewardess tried to describe a similar expression the artist was unable to depict.

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