DB Cooper

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If Lyle had said in a 2007 radio interview his brother WAS the hijacker, would you believe him? Would that convince you Kenny Christiansen was the hijacker? Of course not. The door swings both ways. Lyle didn't know whether or not his brother was the hijacker. So his opinion on it is worthless.

Lyle was watching a program on TV called Unsolved Mysteries regarding Cooper when he decided that his brother might be Cooper. He formed this opinion on that night watching that program. He did NOT attempt to contact the FBI, but instead wrote a letter to a movie producer. Supposedly she didn't get the letter and it ended up on Porteous's desk.

Robt, you cannot make that go away. Porteous had already shared his information with Gray who wrote an article before any investigation could be done. I do not remember the sequence - perhaps Porteous contacted the FBI - since I knew and had spoke with the individuals involved I felt NO threat and continued as usual - regarding Weber.

What I do find WRONG about the complete scenario is that Lyle contacted a movie producer 1st and NOT the FBI! He was "watching a Unsolved Mysteries program about Cooper" (THESE ARE LYLE'S WORDS)"and decide his brother could be Cooper". He knew little about his own brother and the Cooper case.... he "just thought it would make a good story".

After Gray does the article the man just went along for the ride not realizing he could taint the story for any REAL Cooper suspects.

In so far as Geestman goes it is very much the same scenario that played out with Lyle. These old geezers were playing around with this - and it just got out of hand.

When journalist and writers start contacting them - they had to save face. I appreciate how Geestman stood down. He tried to let the others know the position they were putting themselves in - but, they were already dealing with "their" celebrity status.

This is where I differ from the other individuals who have come forward - 1st thing I did was CALL the FBI. I am sure the person I talked to remembers the conversation. Wanted to know if I was drinking or taking drugs - prescription or non prescription! Yes, I did have 2 glasses of wine, but only after I contacted the FBI with that first phone call. Then several pages over into the book - I am calling them again - it was ALL there. This was my awakening - Duane had told me - he was Dan Cooooper, 14 months before I ever picked up that damn book and by page 13 or 14 was on the phone to the FBI.

My first gut reaction was to call the FBI - not a publisher or movie producer!

If my information is accurate Marla was already working on a book BEFORE she contact a law enforcement agent!

If all of the above is correct - why was their re-action NOT the same as mine? I am sure the FBI made a tape of those conversations - anyone who would listen to them would know there was a very distraught woman on the other end and not some person looking for a book, movie or attention. What I had just realize about my deceased husband defied all that I stood for - You Do the Crime - You Do the Time!

Because what I told the FBI was NOT fabricated or being done for profit or because it might make a good story - it was a NATURAL response for me to pick-up the phone and call the FBI. I knew nothing about Cooper except what I was reading in that book.

I didn't even wait to get past the first few pages. The FBI put me down, but I continued to read - and then was BACK on the phone - pleading with them to listen to what I was saying! Everything I knew about Duane suddenly made sense!

Duane had been dead for 14 months, I had just started a new career and I was being sought out by eligible men in our area.
I was never a person to seek fame or position - I was just happy being loved and being a good wife....I had the house and his insurance - so I was not doing without anything. My life was looking good and I was still young.

Damn Duane - Damn HIM! I loved him and will always remember his touch and his smile and how he knew just how to handle my temper - but his confession stole the next 17 yrs of my life fighting to finish his story and for others to see that bad can be good.

Jo WEBER did NOT approach this thing the way other did - she let her heart lead her and she let her memories guide her. For that I have spent 17 ys in a prison called HELL!

He was my husband of 17 yrs - how can I walk away form it - he was telling me the truths and then with the other storys I would learn about WEBER, I felt humiliated and that my life had fallen and I had failed him and angry at him for NOT giving me a heads up before he died or was too sick to tell me. I just did NOT know how to appoarch my feelings- I didn't really want to know!

I KEPT THINKING IT WOULD JUST GO ALWAY AND I WOULD GET A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THERE WAS NO WAY - BUT THAT PHONE CALL NEVER ARRIVED.

Weber was placed right there and was as a prime suspect.
Dan Cooper was the only real SKY Jacker. He made that just because they needed money and all those yr there were outstand warrents for Webber in other placel

DAMN DUANE - why DID HE HAVE TO TELL ME he was Cooper.? Why didnt he just keep his damn Cooper and let if be.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Does he get any dignity or peace in his twilight years? He so richly deserves this small courtesy since he is in his mid eighties. Does anyone care besides me?

I’m probably going to have a sleepless night after reviewing all this raw, naked and unprovoked savagery unloosed on a frail, kind and to be respected man. Well, at least we know what an invertebrate would probably type, if they had thumbs, and a neuromuscular system capable of such a task. But they don’t, so we’ll just have to settle for this painful parade, of hostile epithets, mercilessly lobbed at a person who may struggle with digesting tapioca, let alone his own ass handed to him on an electronic plate.

Bernie wasn’t abused by anyone’s hand, he was defiled by their being, which is inescapable. For the hours and hours that Bernie was kept in a sleazy, pay by the hour motel, which reeked of cheap booze and anonymous coitus, was he allowed to relieve himself? I notice that he is still wearing a jacket when he finally cracks, on that TV show masquerading as some sort of history program. I’m sure that if they kept him in there any longer than three hours, it may well have turned into some sort of ‘snuff’ flick. It was real nice of the crew to take Bernie to the restaurant in the parking lot after his inquisition. Did they even offer some time to nap in the motel before he began a several hours drive home? Cretins.

Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact. I noticed the
bailouts were all face forward, with one pair and the
pilot (an experienced skydiver) leaping half way
down the stairs ... the stairs were fully out and down
during all of the tests and final jumps ...worth a
watch. None of these people backed down the stairs
to exit.

These were all experienced skydivers.

Plenty of pics and stories on the net - just Google.

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Georger:

Says:
Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

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The program on the Discovery Channel was very interesting for us on the DropZone as the crew and pilot jumped out the back of the 727 just like DB Cooper. It is a myth buster in that they all just dove aft through the opening and into a stable position (belly down and arms and legs extended) and did it from about 5 steps down the airstair (the lower moving part of the airstair was removed from the hinge point and down). They were facing aft and were stable right away, no tumble, dis-orientation, or excessive slip stream beating. They seemed to delay pulling their rip cords about 10 seconds. It made the jump that DB did look very easy except it was not at night or raining.

The crash of the 727 was interesting as it looked to me like the forward section of the body of the airplane broke loose at about the attach point for the 41 section (41 section is the first 410 inches of the of the body - 34+ feet - Yes Boeing planes are designed in inches point XXX - not in feet). That nose separation was caused by the nose gear down and getting stuck in the sand and causing the nose to dive down and snap loose. The nose could have survived better if the nose gear were up and would have been better for the pilot, co-pilot etc

The decelerations measured 12 g's in the first class section and only 6 g's in the aft tail seating. Again showing it is safer to be in the aft seating in a crash.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?

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Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact.

Do do the guys who bailed qualify for membership in the Caterpiller Club? I say not. The plane was not disabled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Discovery had a program on tonight:
"Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season
premiere".

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv shows/curiosity/topics/plane-crash-pictures.htm

It was a controled crash in order to measure
destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed
out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear
stairs,several minutes prior to impact.

Do do the guys who bailed qualify for membership in the Caterpiller Club? I say not. The plane was not disabled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_Club

377

Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Face it, every time you throw your body out the door of an airplane, will need to do SOMETHING to save your life... but your intent is different than that of the driver of the plane who wears a bailout rig “just in case” who thinks you are all nutz anyway.

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Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3010437

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Amazon wrote:

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Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3010437

377

377, The fact that the seat belt was unfastened post-crash doesn't necessairly mean that it was unfastened pre-crash. I know of cases where the seat belts were known to have been fastened before but unfastened after the fatal crash.

Somehow and in some manner, the seat belts became unfastened during the impact/rebound and other wild gyrations the structure went through during the break up process. I think the FAA was aware of this in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

This may have been a problem with a specific type of belt. Such as the the one with the belt pulled through the buckle as opposed to the metal-to-metal belt buckles. I suspect that the Cessna had the first type of seat belt.

The possibility that the pilot was attempting a deliberate snap roll at 30 feet or so is beyond comprehension. Snap rolls are essentially a violent spin in a horizontal direction and your friend had enough experience to know that. And under the given conditions, he had enough experience to know the expected outcome. I would suspect that there were other causes involved in this.

Robert99

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It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

What causes such full blown psychosis?

Bernie Geestman ............Yada yada........ truth.

Read it again. I think you missed them Main point of the post.

I will not attach a picture to explain, because I have boundaries (sometimes).

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Lyle was watching a program on TV called Unsolved Mysteries regarding Cooper when he decided his brother might be Cooper. He formed this opinion on that night watching that program. Lyle did NOT attempt to contact the FBI, but instead wrote a letter to a movie producer. Supposedly she didn't get the letter and it ended up on Porteous's desk.

Robt, you cannot make that go away. Porteous had already shared his information with Gray who wrote an article before any investigation could be done. I do not remember the sequence - perhaps Porteous contacted the FBI - I spoke with the individuals regarding Lyle and felt NO threat and continued as usual - regarding Weber.

What IS WRONG about the complete scenario is that Lyle contacted a movie producer 1st and NOT the FBI! He was "watching an Unsolved Mysteries program about Cooper" (THESE ARE LYLE'S WORDS)"and decide Kenney could be Cooper". He knew little about his own brother and the Cooper case.... he "just thought it would make a good story".

After Gray does the article the man just went along for the ride not realizing he could taint the story for any REAL Cooper suspects.

In so far as Geestman goes it is very much the same scenario played out with Lyle. These old geezers were playing around with this - and it just got out of hand!

When journalist and writers start contacting them - they had to save face. I appreciate how Geestman stood down. He tried to let the others know the position they were putting themselves in - but, they were already dealing with "their" celebrity status. Talk to Geestman and record his conversation - NO one seems to know how to make telephone connections with Geestman. What would he tell the caller? Perhaps just what I stated above!

I differ from the other individuals who have come forward - 1st thing I did was CALL the FBI. Surely the person I talked to remembers the conversation. Wanted to know if I was drinking or taking drugs - prescription or non prescription! Yes, I did have 2 glasses of wine, but only after I contacted the FBI with that first phone call. Then several pages over into the book - I am calling them again - it was ALL there. This was my awakening - Duane had told me - he was Dan Cooooper, 14 months before I ever picked up that damn book and by page 13 or 14 was on the phone to the FBI.

My first gut reaction was to call the FBI - not a publisher or movie producer! THIS is a NORMAL reaction for a law abiding citizen!


If all of the above is correct - why was their re-action NOT the same as mine?Surely the FBI made tapes a tape of these conversations - anyone who would listen to them would know there was a very distraught woman on the other end and not some person looking for a book, movie or attention. What I had just realize about my deceased husband defied all that I stood for - You Do the Crime - You Do the Time!

Because what I told the FBI was NOT fabricated or being done for profit or because it might make a good story - it was a NATURAL response for me to pick-up the phone and call the FBI. I knew nothing about Cooper except what I was reading in that book.

I didn't even wait to get past the first few pages. The FBI put me down, but I continued to read - and then was BACK on the phone - pleading with them to listen to what I was saying! Everything I knew about Duane suddenly made sense!

Duane had been dead for 14 months, I had started a new career and was being sought out by eligible men in our area.
I was never a person to seek fame or position - I was just happy being loved and being a good wife....I had the house and his insurance - so I was not doing without. My life was looking good and I was still young.

Damn Duane - Damn HIM! I loved him and will always remember his touch and his smile and how he knew just how to handle my temper, but his confession stole the next 17 yrs of my life fighting to finish his story.

JO WEBER did NOT approach this thing the way others did - she let her heart lead her and she let her memories guide her. For that I have spent 17 ys in a prison called HELL!

He was my husband of 17 yrs, He had told me about his life in 3rd person...and I had NO idea what he was talking about in 1995.

In the yrs since I contacted the FBI and learned more about his past with the FBI turning a deaf ear and wearing blinders. I feel I failed Duane. I am angry at him and more angry at the FBI...regarding how they approached the case.

Weber was a prime suspect and I should have been more pro-active and have done what Blevins and Marla did - but I was never one to make a public fool out of myself...so I chose to continue my battle by learning more about the crime and jumping - WHY I came to DZ several yrs ago!

WHY DID HE HAVE TO TELL ME he was Cooper.? Why didnt he just keep his damn secret and let if be.

News Articles Today might explain WHY he could NOT tell anyone:


Suggested Reading:

Crimes by ATF, DEA informants not tracked
Article by Brad Heath and Kevin Johnson for USA Today.


Can't believe I just said that. Geeze, I must be feeling pretty desperate!

I KNOW! That statement above even provides Bruce's theory about a secret Mind Control group some credence. I can never remember the name of the group, but all of you know what I speak of.

Yrs ago I spoke with a man who worked with the government - he told me there was things he could NOT tell me. This man was a very very respected individual and very very high ranking - even I will not reveal his name to anyone. Will not and never have so don't ask - but, he did and does exist.

The article in part below gave me hope that someone was actually working trying to balance the scales of justice. The subject of my conversation with this man is reflected by the ARTICLE in our local paper which was provided by USA TODAY:


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"There has to be some new accountability." said Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass, who intorduced a bill last year to force federal enforcement agencies to tell Congress about crimes by their informants.
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(The rules do not require the agencies to tally how often their agents authorize "other-wise illegal actiavity." or what crimes they permit").
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Secrets - I am so tired of SECRETS! I am tired of going up against the walls of silence within the FBI. Perhaps the WALL are much higher than the FBI walls. You THINK!

At this point - I could easily fall into the covert theory that has been put out to me by MORE than BK. BUT, I have always believed that if there are more than 2 people involved in a secret is NOT a secret!

How many secrets have you guys kept?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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What the buck? I checked the reviews on the Motel Puyallup, where Bernie was tormented, and discovered that the limits of being cheap, truly knows no bounds. He wasn’t trying to lie, he was likely in the primary stages of anaphylactic shock. Bernie was probably forced to sit in a fourth generation chair, which had been thoroughly covered with male protein stains and a myriad of, yet to be identified, secretions from the several thousand previous, big sweaty, beer drinking and farting, truck drivers who waylaid a couple local strumpets in enchanting Puyallup.

Moldy peanuts, druggies and shouting matches are but a few of the delights awaiting a weary traveler. That and the heat of a camera’s light focused on the pitiful figure of an old man outnumbered by five to one. I guess if your goal is humiliation and belittlement, then a crack whore infested motif, matters little. Bernie is the most senior of senior citizens and you may not agree with him, but there’s no reason to pick on him as he may be someone’s grandfather. Another one came home to roost on you didn’t it? There’s a sound reason some struggle with thinking downstream when they shout something from the highest hilltop. It is why you appear to view things in a vacuum (Marla’s mother won’t back up her story so it is false/ Lyle won’t back up Kenny’s story so it is irrelevant), (It’s not YOUR job to check out what Lyle said on the radio/ It IS YOUR job to check out what Marla’s brother said) and select the version which compliments that moment. Then comes another day and you are in full contradiction mode and quibbling on every point. It is repetitive, just like the 40 plus times you screamed how Bernie (an 80 plus year old man) is a liar and crook.

For RobertMBlevins to constantly gloat about what ‘he’ did to Bernie is disturbing. Is there concern for Bernie’s treatment and his advanced years? Of course not, so strange for someone with ‘manners’ (read: not).

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That mistaken Scott reference was in the first edition, which was pulled before less than 30 copies sold. Only edition for sale has been up for almost two years now. Old news.

I have posted this BEFORE, but just encase you missed it! The 'story' about Scott was in a supposedly fiction book called
HA HA HA by Dan Cooper. I have the book stored away and I do not have the published date in my head or the exact statement made regarding Cooper.

Outside of the momentary claim you made and the one in that book- there was no other claim Scott went into the cabin and spoke to Cooper. It is funny what STICKS in our minds and we don't need a back-up file to remind us of it.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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As of a couple of minutes ago, the countdown is in progress for a 6:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time (5:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time) launch of the balloon.

It will then probably take an hour or so to get to 120,000 feet.

The Red Bull web page (http://www.redbullstratos.com) is active now but not showing pictures of the preparation.

If no problems are encountered, my guess (I haven't crunched the numbers) is that Baumgartner will get very, very close to Mach 1.

But it remains to be seen if he can actually exceed Mach 1. It's that wave drag matter. Hopefully, everything will go well and we will have an answer to the above question in about 10 hours from now.

Robert99

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My first RESPONSE upon understanding what my husband told me in the hospital in March of 1995 was to pick up the phone regardless of the time of day or night and CALL THE FBI. Note Duane told me 'I'm Dan Coooper in March of 1995, but I did NOT know who Dan Coooper was until May of 1996.

I remember that night like it was yesterday. It was late evening and I decide to read. I usually fell asleep with a book in my hands in bed...with the lights on.
Well, you know the rest or the story - needless to say I did NOT sleep that night until I was totally emotionally exhausted.

Perhaps this is what MAKES Duane's story or Jo's story (as some like to call it) have more validity. Yet, the FBI has made more mistakes than Carters' got farter starters. Sure later (much later) I did entertain the idea of a book and movie - BUT in the long run I made the decisions.

Book - I told the story before - I canceled my "arrangement" with the writer after 3 pages of NON truths. The writers have to show sensationalism regardless of what the truths might be. This would not be until I went public in 2000.

The only other thing I have consider was the option thing regarding a movie - again this was not until after 2000. I did take measrures to protect my legal rights.

There were several others who contacted me, but the 2 above are the only ones I actually went into any detail with. There was one JT claimed I asked to do a book - but I have the original emails from my contact with her and they do NOT say ONE thing about wanting her to do a book.
I was simply contacting her out of respect for a very dear friend of mine who contacted her on my behalf.

Somehow she mistook the communication as my wanting her to do a book. I was QUICK to let her know I did not think a WOMAN would be who I would want to do the book if I ever allowed one to be done and I wanted to see what the FBI was going to do. I felt that until the FBI acknowledged Duane was Cooper that there was no story. Yet, I knew I needed to make some kind of preparation "just encase".

The vultures were circling....yet, I kept holding out. Then in 2007 along comes Blevins with Christansen and the Marla with DL. I am glad I held out and continued to fight my battle with research and the help of this thread.

All of that was right after I went public - until then the only communications I had were with friends and family and the FBI (active and retired)and JT and Doug Pasternak as he was the pivitol that helped me go public and question the investigation of the FBI. I had made contacts trying to get help with the investigation - and sometimes that led to unwanted contacts which I quickly dismissed or checked out.

The FBI sent me a letter in 1998, but I preservered and kept calling them and finding family members and when the FBI flagrantly lied to me on the phone in March of 2000 - that did it and I went public.

Five (5) yrs after I contacted the FBI I finally went public. Blevins, Porteous, Gray and Marla - couldn't get wait for the FBI to run with their STORY and that is why their STORY is just that - A STORY!

Have I accomplished my GOAL?
You THINK? I expect all of you will have opinions about that, but don't get too complacent or you might get caught with your drawers down or is this just the same old repeat we see and hear every yr about this time.

NOW, 377 - that is a REAL TEASE!
You guys have come to expect the TEASES with the fall of the first leaves each yr - haven't you?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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What the buck? I checked the reviews on the Motel Puyallup, where Bernie was tormented, and discovered that the limits of being cheap, truly knows no bounds. He wasn’t trying to lie, he was likely in the primary stages of anaphylactic shock. Bernie was probably forced to sit in a fourth generation chair, which had been thoroughly covered with male protein stains and a myriad of, yet to be identified, secretions from the several thousand previous, big sweaty, beer drinking and farting, truck drivers who waylaid a couple local strumpets in enchanting Puyallup.

Moldy peanuts, druggies and shouting matches are but a few of the delights awaiting a weary traveler. That and the heat of a camera’s light focused on the pitiful figure of an old man outnumbered by five to one. I guess if your goal is humiliation and belittlement, then a crack whore infested motif, matters little. Bernie is the most senior of senior citizens and you may not agree with him, but there’s no reason to pick on him as he may be someone’s grandfather. Another one came home to roost on you didn’t it? There’s a sound reason some struggle with thinking downstream when they shout something from the highest hilltop. It is why you appear to view things in a vacuum (Marla’s mother won’t back up her story so it is false/ Lyle won’t back up Kenny’s story so it is irrelevant), (It’s not YOUR job to check out what Lyle said on the radio/ It IS YOUR job to check out what Marla’s brother said) and select the version which compliments that moment. Then comes another day and you are in full contradiction mode and quibbling on every point. It is repetitive, just like the 40 plus times you screamed how Bernie (an 80 plus year old man) is a liar and crook.

For RobertMBlevins to constantly gloat about what ‘he’ did to Bernie is disturbing. Is there concern for Bernie’s treatment and his advanced years? Of course not, so strange for someone with ‘manners’ (read: not).

You assume a lot for someone who was not there, and did not participate in the interview. I received a detailed report about it from the producers, and spoke to the film crew. They were VERY nice to Bernie, as a matter of fact. I may check with Marisa Kagan to see if he was paid their standard $2,500 to appear...an amount he was offered, plus a chauffeur for a trip of 115 miles each way. Since Bernie sent flowers and a teddy bear to one of the producers down in LA afterward, I would say he was happy with the way they treated him. I wonder if he told his live-in girlfriend about that...

As far as Marla and her family, it wasn't just her brother who didn't back her story. Same thing with mother and sister, and they were in attendance as well. Unless you are saying you actually BELIEVE her story, and if so...you should go on the record with that.

Lyle's radio interview: Asked and answered. At least you could come up with something NEW. It doesn't matter in the slightest bit whether Lyle ever said he didn't think his brother was the hijacker. He was living halfway across the country and to my best recollection, Kenny never told him he was the hijacker. So, excuse me...but HOW EXACTLY would Lyle know the truth one way or another? You've dodged that question more than a few times because it's convenient. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Lyle had said he DID think his brother was the hijacker, does that make it true? LOL. I think not.

Funny how the only logical choices you see, are
those you allow. Hannity and Himmler were good
that way too. The Jailhouse logic of thugs and
subprime property sellers and loan makers.

Actually your choices don't count. Who reviews his
own books or actions, except in Court, if he takes
the stand? Isn't that how the feud between you and
the Amazon book reviewer got started on another
website? You are always attacking somebody over
something. You seem to spend every day doing that.

It's almost as if nobody's else's opinions matter
if they don;t agree (or comply) with yours. You are
a very outspoken editorialist on a number of
websites and forums, since you joined and started
promoting Adventure Books. Your reputation and
theirs is now joined. No escaping that!

You keep saying I have never met you! Who in hell
are you here and on other websites where its all the
same with you?

And what lofty credentials inspire or condone you
to all of these "opinions" and "statements of
socalled fact", in behalf of exactly WHO ?

You keep bringing up "hard questions" -= there are
a few.

The issue may not be Geestman at all, but you.
YOU are the one with the Kenny story that got
Decoded going@! Without you there was no
program - yes? They surely were not suddenly
deciding to do a program for the public based on
Gray's little story clear back in 2007! ???

Without RobertMBlevins there would have been no
Decoded Kenny Christiansen story - right?

So put the horse before your cart for a change,
instead of behind it pushing, before trying to
sell it ? Lets see if the wheels on the cart work!

[MeyerLouie 5]

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My first RESPONSE upon understanding what my husband told me in the hospital in March of 1995 was to pick up the phone regardless of the time of day or night and CALL THE FBI. Note Duane told me 'I'm Dan Coooper in March of 1995, but I did NOT know who Dan Coooper was until May of 1996.

I remember that night like it was yesterday. It was late evening and I decide to read. I usually fell asleep with a book in my hands in bed...with the lights on.
Well, you know the rest or the story - needless to say I did NOT sleep that night until I was totally emotionally exhausted.

Perhaps this is what MAKES Duane's story or Jo's story (as some like to call it) have more validity. Yet, the FBI has made more mistakes than Carters' got farter starters. Sure later (much later) I did entertain the idea of a book and movie - BUT in the long run I made the decisions.

Book - I told the story before - I canceled my "arrangement" with the writer after 3 pages of NON truths. The writers have to show sensationalism regardless of what the truths might be. This would not be until I went public in 2000.

The only other thing I have consider was the option thing regarding a movie - again this was not until after 2000. I did take measrures to protect my legal rights.

There were several others who contacted me, but the 2 above are the only ones I actually went into any detail with. There was one JT claimed I asked to do a book - but I have the original emails from my contact with her and they do NOT say ONE thing about wanting her to do a book.
I was simply contacting her out of respect for a very dear friend of mine who contacted her on my behalf.

Somehow she mistook the communication as my wanting her to do a book. I was QUICK to let her know I did not think a WOMAN would be who I would want to do the book if I ever allowed one to be done and I wanted to see what the FBI was going to do. I felt that until the FBI acknowledged Duane was Cooper that there was no story. Yet, I knew I needed to make some kind of preparation "just encase".

The vultures were circling....yet, I kept holding out. Then in 2007 along comes Blevins with Christansen and the Marla with DL. I am glad I held out and continued to fight my battle with research and the help of this thread.

All of that was right after I went public - until then the only communications I had were with friends and family and the FBI (active and retired)and JT and Doug Pasternak as he was the pivitol that helped me go public and question the investigation of the FBI. I had made contacts trying to get help with the investigation - and sometimes that led to unwanted contacts which I quickly dismissed or checked out.

The FBI sent me a letter in 1998, but I preservered and kept calling them and finding family members and when the FBI flagrantly lied to me on the phone in March of 2000 - that did it and I went public.

Five (5) yrs after I contacted the FBI I finally went public. Blevins, Porteous, Gray and Marla - couldn't get wait for the FBI to run with their STORY and that is why their STORY is just that - A STORY!

Have I accomplished my GOAL?
You THINK? I expect all of you will have opinions about that, but don't get too complacent or you might get caught with your drawers down or is this just the same old repeat we see and hear every yr about this time.

NOW, 377 - that is a REAL TEASE!
You guys have come to expect the TEASES with the fall of the first leaves each yr - haven't you?

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Jo, I'm sorry, I still haven't got past Carter's farter starters. That's a hoot, cracks me up. MeyerLouie

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It doesn't matter in the slightest bit whether Lyle ever said he didn't think his brother was the hijacker. He was living halfway across the country and to my best recollection, Kenny never told him he was the hijacker. So, excuse me...but HOW EXACTLY would Lyle know the truth one way or another? You've dodged that question more than a few times because it's convenient. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Lyle had said he DID think his brother was the hijacker, does that make it true? And would you now be saying that this proves Kenny was the hijacker? LOL. I think not.

You are wrong in your thinking on this Blevins. Since it was Lyle's letter written to a movie producer that somehow ended up on Porteous desk - it is IMPORTANT what Lyle's intentions were and why it took an Unsolved Mystery program for him to 'think' his brother was Cooper.

Remember the story about Christiansen was built on what Lyle started. You have to look at Lyle's motive and NOT get so defensive. Yes, you did a lot of research and questioned his contacts, but NOT other associations which has been pointed out before.

Christiansen's world was NOT just in WA...he traveled a lot...and he had friends within that circle. Those 2 women saw $$ signs and that is why Geestman was upset. What they did was what a lot of people would do if they did NOT know all of the suspects presented and that others were much more viable than Kenny.

A writer contacts family and friends of a suspect - and they start thinking - WHAT IF? Both of those lady from their photos seemed up in age. The heavier set woman whose name you concealed - was that the daughter or the mother? The other woman was pictured next to a group of photos - that woman looked younger than the heavy set one.

I have NOT read your book (do not read on line) and have not wanted to allow myself outside of my focus of my own suspect, please assist me to understand which one is which.

Was the heavier set woman the mother who lived in Twisp? Do Not Know in my mind why this I am even asking this at this time.
Which one of the women rode the horses? Mother or Daughter and which is which?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[MeyerLouie 5]

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***Yeah! What SHE said!

You might not agree with her, but why pick on a lady who is old enough to be almost anyone's mother on this thread?


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Hey Blevins, this is one of stupidest, most disrespectful things you've said yet here. For one thing, it's just not true -- take the time since 11/24/71, add 20 or so years, and that total is not too far behind Jo's age. That does not make her old enough to be anyone's mother here. Pathetic Blevins.....really pathetic! MeyerLouie

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What the buck? ).

Exactly! Like a deer in the headlights.
When I finally saw the Decoded program, for a
minute, well longer than a minute, I wasnt sure who
was 'Geestman' and who was 'Blevins'! I had taken a
call and then turned back to the progrtam in
progress...

There was this droll saggy pale looking fellow with
little to say, looked depressed like somebody who
hadnt slept for three days or was ill, ... and I
thought "That's Geestman under pressure" !

Fuck me!

Turned out it was RobertMBlevins!
NOT what I expected at all. When Geestman
appeared he was older but 20 times more
animated and alive than "the low talking corpse".

The program became something of a farce, from
that point on .... and continues to be a farce with
Blevins "the weakest link".

I must be missing something - ?

The medical file?

Like a deer in the headlights - at Arial later -
attached.

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Secrets - I am so tired of SECRETS

Surely you jest. You Jo, are the undisputed queen of secrets, teases, selective and partial disclosures. I still enjoy your participation though. You set the forum standard for unswerving focus and tenacity. Duane could not have chosen a better advocate.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[skyjack71 0]

Yeah! What SHE said!

You might not agree with her, but why pick on a lady who is old enough to be almost anyone's mother on this thread?


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Hey Blevins, this is one of stupidest, most disrespectful things you've said yet here. For one thing, it's just not true -- take the time since 11/24/71, add 20 or so years, and that total is not too far behind Jo's age. That does not make her old enough to be anyone's mother here. Pathetic Blevins.....really pathetic! MeyerLouie

Well I am old enough to be anyones mother if they are under 57 yrs of age. I have gray hair and wear it in a bun on the back of my head (for real).

How old is Blevins?

AS for adding only 20 yrs - I wish!

Duane was born in 1924.

He was 70 when he died...he had not turned 71.

Duane was 17 yrs older than I was.

How many tab have you guys pulled tonight - hey it is NOT Friday, yet!

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Jo wrote

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Secrets - I am so tired of SECRETS

Surely you jest. You Jo, are the undisputed queen of secrets, teases, selective and partial disclosures. I still enjoy your participation though. You set the forum standard for unswerving focus and tenacity. Duane could not have chosen a better advocate.

377

Patience!
NOT something I am known for...but an art one has to have to succeed in any endeavor.

Truthful!
Well, a little white lie to keep from hurting someone's feelings, but really do not even do that well. They can usually see right through me....so I usually just change the subject.

Secrets! Don't have many of those - I tell everything I know "most of the time". But, know how to the keep the important secrets.

Teases or disclosure! You have NO idea how my mind works - I am completely unpredictable,

Temper!
Short.

Focus!
Well
Couldn't resist that one
Good Night.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

Fact Check: Yes, I was probably responsible for the idea behind that episode of Decoded. Because of the book. Like it's my fault the show was made. They called me, not the other way around. You are too funny, I swear. Do you realize how silly that sounds? LOL. Okay...I never should have investigated KC or done the book with Porteous so YOU wouldn't be burdened with watching the program. I mean that is the funniest thing ever.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got anywhere..."

Marilyn Monroe

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Yes, lets do the fact checking. You are the one who
has been stirring the waters for years on KC, filling
every possible niche with it, ad nauseum. Trying to
convince and pressure everyone (anyone) to accept
KC as DB Cooper, then when it all failed turning
Fence Rider saying ... "I cant prove ....".

Just like your recent bold headline at Newsvine:
"Who Will Win the Presidential Debates - Romney or
Obama?". And your conclusion after wordy prose -
" It could go either way. "

That is news? For Newsvine?

You have turned being a fence rider with nothing
into a loud-boisterous low art ... you think fit for
public consumption. Always ending here with: ""If
I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got
anywhere..." ... which adds further confidence in
your mission for Humanity and yourself.

And if that doesnt work then just insult someone
and threaten retaliation -

That's inspiring.

That's my conclusion.

You are just milking empty space, which nature
allows, like some temporary vortex in water. And
apparently after all of these months that is all you
have to show for your efforts.. along with a sagging
popularity and reputation.

"If I'd observed all the rules, I'd never have got
anywhere..." is your claim to meaninglessness.
Citing Marilyn Monroe a trageic figure, as if you have
permission, since you apparently see yourself in her
life. Dont you see this is presumptuous and sick?
Or is it simply for affect trying to score with the weak
minded ?

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Don't pick on Marilyn Monroe. She was a nice girl.

It's time for Americans to take a stand.'

There are certain things I stand for. And I'm not afraid to say what they are. But that's just me.

You didnt know Marilyn Monroe. You may have read
a little about her, but you did not know her.

But as you say, that's just you.

"Into The Blast: The TRUE Story of D. B. Cooper by Robert M Blevins"

Marilyn Monroe ~ DB Cooper ~ next icon

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In one of the most acute example of disregarding the downstream effect of what he says, RobertMBlevins scolds:

“You assume a lot for someone who was not there….”

Yes, that is correct, I was NOT there, and furthermore never made the claim or hinted that I was in the crack whore infested Motel Puyallup.

Then RobertMBlevins buttresses his blunt point with:

“I received a detailed report about it…”

Why would you need a detailed report if YOU were there? This makes is look like YOU were not there and therefore didn’t participate in the interview either. What could your point possibly be on this subject? That you state that I wasn’t there when I made no indication that I was in attendance versus your lack of being there? This is the typical logic used to make some point which was never in question.

Since you weren’t there and have a ‘special report’, are you inferring that you haven’t made any assumptions? Like the report is accurate? Guess you forgot about the Dan Cooper comics report. How could it have possibly taken hours and hours to get Bernie to answer three questions?

Common sense would indicate there was nothing natural or spontaneous about such an ‘interview’ and they kept poor, little, frail Bernie there until he finally said what they wanted to hear, truth be damned. At minimum I question the protocol of an hours long, ambush style, interrogation of a senior citizen, and the possible value of the heavily edited end result. You watched too much TV and believe that third degree slap downs and various deprivations are actually legitimate approaches. But you did get what YOU wanted which matched a pre-selected outcome. There is NO reason for these interviews which take hours unless there is resistance and the same question is asked multiple times.

You say Bernie sat there for an hour not saying anything? Really? Well it takes two, or more, to sit and say nothing. Why would this production crew silently sit and stare at Bernie for an hour? The only reason is because they were intimidating him, who sits silently for an hour staring at an old man?

But people like RobertMBlevins think there is an inherent quality in multiple hour interviews which should have been scheduled for little more than fifteen or twenty minutes. This has all the earmarks of an amateurish production staffed with understudies of the Marquis de Sade. Garbage in, garbage out; just like the ‘report’.