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If the safe deposit box was open in 90, why would the FBI even know about this??

Because I told them about it! And the agent saw the papers.

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Duane's biggest hurdle is the fact of him being a career criminal, it would be natural for him to change his name, nobody was looking for him as Cooper so changing his name would be for another reason.

Changing his name when he has property and friend in the area UNDER Duane L. Weber and has to depend on a machine to keep him alive. FIND A REASON Duane would take such a risk to obtain and old ID he had used
His SS and medical was under DUANE L. Weber....GIVE me a SOLID reason for his going to such risk to obtain the John Collins ID at that time in his life.

WHY WOULD HE HAVE NEEDED TO REACTIVATE THE COLLINS NAME IN 1990 WHEN HE ALREADY KNEW HIS TIME ON THIS EARTH WAS LIMITED AND HE HAD AT THE MOST WITH A MACHINE 5 YRS TO LIVE.

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but, he was a convicted criminal and should not own a gun, but nothing out of the ordinary really. possession of a firearm by a convicted felon carries a 5 years sentence, probably more today.

WELL! I it was NOT the first time he was arrested and walked away with his gun in the state of Florida. The first time was before I knew him...he was picked up in Jacksonville for a DUI with a gun on him. 1975 approx - before the state shared information on ex-cons.

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Duane having a lot of money at times should be obvious since he was a criminal.

Well, he had led a good life since 1972 and lived well with documented proven employment as an insurance agent and State manager....(ex-cons can NOT hold an Insurance License in most states).

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I just can't see the FBI putting a lot of time into checking 20/30 years before the crime with little information or evidence to keep them looking

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The John Collins was reactivation was in 1990 - 5 yrs before he died. This should have been a spot light for the FBI. DID they not ask themselve why this man need to re-activate the old ID at this stage of his life considering his personal circumstances.

You are NOT grasping what I am saying - perhaps I did NOT make myself clear.

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[mrshutter45 21]

If Duane changed his name to Collins in 88, why would this link him to Cooper? 16 years later, the FBI had no clue who he was until you came forward, why would he change his name if they were not looking for him as Cooper/Weber, must of been another reason why he changed it IMHO.

I think the question is, what does John Collins have in common with DB Cooper?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Mr. Blevins, this is something I have wondered about and I don't know if you have ever addressed it. Forgive me if I missed it.

Perhaps Bernie does not remember being with KC on that weekend. If they did the job, then certainly he would remember it. But, if they were together doing something completely unrelated to Norjack, then why would anyone expect a man his age to remember what he was doing or who he was with on a particular weekend 40 years ago? Other than the death of Elvis and 9/11, I don't remember where I was at or what I was doing at the time of many major events. So, when he says that KC could be the hijacker, is he even aware that they were supposedly together that weekend? That's a long time ago, and unless he is infatuated with the Cooper case, he probably don't have a clue what he was doing or who he was with on that day. Just a thought.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Maybe going to the already used fake identity was to get more cash for his medical needs?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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If Duane changed his name to Collins in 88, why would this link him to Cooper? 16 years later, the FBI had no clue who he was until you came forward, why would he change his name if they were not looking for him as Cooper/Weber, must of been another reason why he changed it IMHO.

I think the question is, what does John Collins have in common with DB Cooper?

Duane did NOT change his name to Collins in 1988?????

Duane had NO reason other than to get into the the safety deposit box in 1990. NONE! IOTA!

He obtained a drivers license to get into an old safety deposit box.

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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

In all probability it would have been only "SEA" and is the code for the airport. The ticket itself would have been in a standard format approved by the airline industry.

"SEA" would also be on the tags for the checked luggage headed to Seattle.

Robert99

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That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

SEA TAC
The stub was like a parking ticket or old theater ticket. It was blue or grey. I never understood how it could have been a parking ticket unless he parked a vehicle at the SEA TAC airport or maybe it was a Ticket someone else who was assisting him may have incurred. This has been discussed before and why I think there was someone with him.

This is not the same as the copy of the airline ticket that I saw in 1994 that would later reappear and then disappear again. Long story I will not repeat as this as I have told the story many time in this thread. Use key words and find my multiple post about this subject.

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There may be a record with the FBI on this break-in. Margaret said that she spoke to a female FBI agent out of Spokane shortly after the break-in, and more than once. Not because of the missing logbook, (she didn't realize it was gone back then) but because of some missing property ownership papers. I have no other details on that.

I think I have just about heard enough. If Margaret claimed the FBI was notified about a simple robbery she is lieing and that is a strong point that she lied about other things. NO ONE mistakenly calls the FBI for a break-in. The shop was broke into 3 times - Duane didn't even call the local sheriff or police department.

That was puzzling now that I think about it. One time when I was with him - we walked in and the AC unit had been torn out of the wall. Nothing seemed disturbed, but Duane walked into the work room (the room he used for furniture repair and unpacking things and storage). All he did was open the door and look behind it. Said "Damn they got it". I asked what it was and he never told me. Just a casual remark which I do not remember.

Of course now I know he did not call the police because - he had a record of his own...under Duane Weber. I knew about the John Collins record or rather I found out in 1990.

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***That same day was when the stub laying on the desk and I ask what that was - It said Sea Tac on it and he told me it used to mean something but didn't anymore and to just throw it away and I threw it in the trash.

I'm curious - would a ticket stub have Sea-Tac on it or simply the airport code "SEA"?
Admittedly I only did a very brief search but I'm seeing a lot more references to "SEA" on images of ticket stubs and the words "Seattle-Tacoma" are more frequently used in news articles of the day as well as in pictures/maps of the layout of the airport. Just wondering if the word Sea Tac would have been on a 1971 ticket stub.

SEA TAC
The stub was like a parking ticket or old theater ticket. It was blue or grey. I never understood how it could have been a parking ticket unless he parked a vehicle at the SEA TAC airport or maybe it was a Ticket someone else who was assisting him may have incurred. This has been discussed before and why I think there was someone with him.

This is not the same as the copy of the airline ticket that I saw in 1994 that would later reappear and then disappear again. Long story I will not repeat as this as I have told the story many time in this thread. Use key words and find my multiple post about this subject.

I'll pass. It's getting late and not gonna grind the point - which is moot anyway. As with so many things Cooper, there is no physical evidence and we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth".

I'm just saying that most of the "official" language that I'm seeing is "SEA" for anything flight related and "Seattle-Tacoma" for airport related stuff.

Not saying that there wasn't a parking lot or theater called "Sea-Tac" or that these particular entities didn't handle tickets with the word Sea-Tac - just saying that I'm not finding one.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Smokin99 reflectively reflects back to things said in the past before today with:

“…..we're still stuck with "cause I said so and I always tell the truth".”

So much purity, 99 44/100ths pure, so pure it floats. It’s just that this case is so complex (read packed with BS) and fluid (read runny BS) and there is so much information (read tons of BS) to digest (read eat the ‘S’ part of BS). I have an open mind (read the ‘S’ part of BS for brains) on the subject and if it turns out not to be Kenny, perhaps it is someone else (read unashamed BS).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuzpsO4ErOQ

Remember this smokin99, in the battle of 'wills' versus 'wits'; wills always win. That’s why there are fourteen Bigfoot research organizations and one Mensa International.

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Parking Tickets at the old airports in 1971. These things were small - the size of a movie stub from 1971. About 1 inch deep and probably less than 2 inches long. HOW much printing do you think they could put on that? SEA TAC was a suitable ticket designation to put on the stub. I held this thing in my hand and asked him what SEA TAC was. He did tell me it was the name of a Seattle Airport, but that it was NOT important any more and told me to throw it away.

Because he was acting funny after he went to diaylsis I went back to the shop to retrieve it.
The trash was still there BUT he had retrieved the STUB. I did this because he was acting STRANGE and this was during the wks we separated so he could get his bearing with the kidney machine and AFTER he had done the drivers license thing and was put under observation. It was about 1 wk/10 days before he moved back to the house.

It was also during this time span that - Duane let me know he had been in prison as John Collins. He never offered an explanation as to WHY he needed to obtain the new ID. BUT, I would not know that he did MANAGE to obtain the ID until the found wallet in the VAN was returned to me after I sold it over 5 yrs later after his death.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr



I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I agree it seems SA Carr did a pretty bang up job.
So now where do we look?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

I don't know, still working on the flight path, have some weather issues to pan out. perhaps 99 has a good idea on checking all of Tena and going over Catepillar island.

If the money didn't come from the bottom of the Columbia and was not planted, it's very possible the final clue could rest in these area's??? I don't know. I guess there is only one way to find out.....check the islands...$$$$$

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr

I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name.

John had been alienated from his brother for 38 yrs prior to Duane's death. He knew nothing of his brother since 1958 - I have letters from John that attest to this. The sister REFUSED to be interviewed, but I do not know if they finally got to her - she never mentioned it to me. The other wife in GA. - I think they contacted her, but their relationship was very volcanic so I do not know how well that would have gone. There was his friend - who he did NOT meet until after 1973 but who knew Duane well. THere were ex-employers - so that could be part of those they interviewed.

They DID NOT INTERVIEW
Tommy Gunn, Tony Wong, Ray (I forget the guys last name right now) or some of the others out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

The truth is Duane only had one friend he was close to and he did not meet him until 1973 and I still keep intouch with he and his wife. The others Duane contacted knew him as John Collins - but the FBI DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM - GOTTA ASK YOUR SELF WHY?

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Carr Stated:

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The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

What Carr told me. He posted the McNeil prints...and he maintained that was WHAT THEY FBI used. I wanted the JEFFERSON prints. THE PRIOR AGENT OF RECORD (the one who did the actual investigation) claimed that Weber was NEVER in MCNEIL and yet CARR used the MCNEIL prints in the thread.

When they sent me that letter in 1998 - they were using prints from a prison the agent told me Weber was never in?


Carr stated:

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Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

Maybe in CARRS day, but not in the early days - the sharing did not take place until they started the central print system, but not all states participated and evidently did not participate at the date of his last arrest in 1976.

THINK about this - Weber is arrested a multiple time felon in FL with a record and in possession of a gun - they would have locked him up and threw the key away. Yet, Duane Weber WALKED! Explain that one away. Carr couldn't,


It was later learned that the states DID NOT SHARE PRINTS at that time. (CARR MADE THAT MISTAKE). Remember Duane Weber was a licensed Insurance saleman from 1964 (as John Collins in Kansas) then as Duane Weber in 1969 in Alabama and then Georgia and S.C. until 1978. Then Colorado an Wy from 1977 to 1980 and then back to AL and GA from 1980 to 1983 and then VIRGINIA in 1983 until his disability in 1989. There were other states, but I don't remember them all right now.

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The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

WELL if they were - someone dropped the ball. There was a multiple felon running around all over the country selling insurance and getting DUI's and in possession of a GUN. Remember that in 1990 he had a gun STRAPPED on him when they arrested him and then returned they gun to him (although I was to understand the arrest was aborted and the 72 hour observation was done).
Where were the RECORD in 1990 and WHERE were the Records in 1979 when he was arrested in Fort Collins, CO for another DUI. I was with him so I expect that is the only reason a GUN did not surface. They took him and I drove home - 3 block from the house.

The file Carr is referring to is one he had NOTHING to do with. Just dug it out of the old files.

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Carr Stated:
On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane).

How could this resume NOT have contained the prints of Duane L. Weber? He handled it many times and he is the one who put it in a binder - the FBI kept the original and only gave me a copy of the resume. Duane personally put the binder together himself.

there WAS NO WAY DUANE PRINTS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THAT RESUME!
Take the next statement made:

CARR STATED:
"The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied."


NOW, how does that make any sense at all. Is that the only item they tried to lift prints off of?
If the prints did NOT belong to Duane L. Weber - how did DUANE manage to do that one - MAGIC?

Duane had that resume done in 1979 and it remained in our possession and his possession until I turned it over to the FBI.
Whose prints where on it if they were not Duane's? Did they check any other item they took from me against Duane's prints they had on file?????? Did they use any file other than the McNeil which was denied by the 1st agent of record?

Carr States:

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I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Well, right off the bat - the prints presented a problem. I expect about 100 pages of that was copies of things I sent them and they took from my home. The report would include the original resume. The tax returns I provide them - they didn't get those themselves - I DID as Duane had kept every tax report for 1968 forward.

They interviewed the ex-wife and her daughter - I have already explained her daughter refuted and so did she most of what they told the FBI. I have letters and a couple of tapes that refute in part what was told to the FBI. It was even claimed the family told the FBI, Duane was with them, but he wasn't as they were separated (supposedly at that time) in 1971, but they are together in 1972 and do not divorce until May or June (I have the divorce papers) and then he remarries in 2 months.

There should even be an ambulance report (in Georgia) for the early part of 1972 after Feb when there was an incident the ex relayed and her son told me about yrs later - she was very distraught over Duane asking for a divorce and the reason he wanted the divorce - which again is private. I asked JT and Himmelsbach about this - I thought they were relaying everything to the agent of record - of course now I know better.

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[mrshutter45 21]

keep in mind we are talking about the 70's.

Judges were not as strict as they were today, a DWI was not looked at the same way as today, I'm sure there is a simple reason to all of these charges.

Car explained that they have all 26 arrest records with prints. records can and have been lost or incorrect, even today.

I found a picture you have not posted in a long time of Duane at age 44 in 1968 (see photo) IMHO Duane does not fit the profile. his younger pictures fit the profile, but, not the important ones.

I mentioned this before and found others questioned the same, Duane seems to always have glasses on in 95% of the pictures leading one to believe he always needed them.

If he was selling Insurance as a convicted felon this is hardly the mistake of the FBI and would go unnoticed if the employer didn't do a background check. even today people can slip through the cracks because when a background check is done online they can pay for a certain amount of years back or a full background check, it is very easy not to check the box (yes) on a application for employment asking if you have ever been convicted of a felony, this was the same problem they had with thinking every bank in the world was looking for the 20's the FBI gave Cooper.

"Duane had that resume done in 1979 and it remained in our possession and his possession until I turned it over to the FBI."

1979 to late 1990's how many other people touched this document that is 16 plus years old at the time? prints get smeared.

looking from the outside in I just don't see anything linking Duane to Cooper, you wanted someone to look at this, I have and remain solid on the findings. this is my opinion only and hope you understand

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

sometimes I think people actually think they will see this (photo) if they hike around the backside of Rushmore

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

Mrshutter45 summarizes with:

“500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"”


Farflung responds with:

No….. no it doesn’t.


(This comment was sponsored by the committee to ATFQ and the Anti-Quibbling League)

[mrshutter45 21]

"Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name."

Jo, the post's made by Carr were from this thread, pages 80 and beyond.

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Shutter says:
my guess would be that Duane changed the name spelling in order to have other options, my past (long time ago) I would leave out my middle name when I would get pulled over, this was enough to hide who I really was and not show the bench warrants out for me for not having a drivers license, I would get a ticket again, but, throw it away because it was not really me and the address was not mine either so they are chasing a ghost! back then it was pretty easy to fool them! I also used my brothers name because he was squeaky clean, however he was not amused once this was discovered

you must understand after they have done a lot of checking on Duane and coming up with nothing but false names and time in prison and prints and DNA not matching they are not going to dig any further.

you keep reporting that Duane had guns, there is no indication that Cooper was armed! IMHO Duane doesn't fit the profile to this case.

you claim yourself Jo that the prints and DNA might not be Cooper's, so where are we going trying to establish Duane's? I understand how frustrating this must be, but looking from our stand point it makes sense to us more than what you can not see.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins comments without the use of data or thinking one (1) step downstream about his review with:

“1) Weber may have claimed on his deathbed that he was Dan Cooper, but there are no other witnesses to that alleged statement.”

And that’s exactly one witness more than RobertMBlevins had regarding Dan Cooper comics, Captain Scott talking to Cooper and Bernie breaking into a home and stealing a logbook.


RobertMBlevins ignores an oft repeated and genuine piece of evidence with:

“2) Weber cannot be linked to any verifiable parachute experience. And no one in a sane state of mind would attempt leaping out the back of a moving 727 without at least some prior experience.”

For the ‘Nth’ time, MARTIN MCNALLY JUMPED FROM A 727 WITHOUT ANY EXPERIENCE. He hijacked the most planes, had the most money and NO experience. Never had even touched a parachute before, but please, keep ignoring this evidence and history in your battle of wills.


RobertMBlevins obliquely infers:

“3) None of the stews or witnesses have even HINTED that Weber could be the hijacker from pictures.”

Gee is this some, oh gosh, you know, umm…, have I mentioned this before, a Stewardess said Kenny was the closest she had seen before, but Tina and Alice didn’t say squat, but I just left that out of my question, because I’m passive aggressive like that, and then form a leading statement, even though I deny any such activity statement? Yes.


He then continues like a runaway freight train with:

“4) The physical evidence, if any, is lost or otherwise unaccounted for.”

Like his fingerprints and DNA?


RobertMBlevins adds a non-sequitur to a non-sequitur with:

“5) The witness who said handwriting in a Cooper book was Weber's has retracted her story, or refuses to confirm.”

And if the handwriting in the Cooper book is Duane’s that would prove that he read a book on Cooper after the event, thus damning him to have done what? All it proves is there are many delusionals willing to reinforce the quality of this research with a random 50cc squirt of intellectual diarrhea.


RobertMBlevins continues to steer with the use of another non-sequitur:

“6) Weber cannot be positively placed in the NW United States at the time of the hijacking.”

If a person’s fingerprints or DNA matches the samples in FBI evidence, BUT can’t be placed in the NW United States they are exonerated? This only makes sense on this thread.


RobertMBlevins tweaks the nose of Captain Obvious with:

“7) None of Weber's ex-wives or other family members have offered definitive evidence leading to the possibility Weber was the hijacker.”

Neither has anyone else since ‘definitive evidence’ would lead to an investigation by the FBI, then the ‘definitive evidence’ would be used in a court of law to convict the hijacker.


Occam experiences forced ‘manlove’ with:

“8) Occam's Razor might suggest that with so many previous arrests and the extensive hunt for the hijacker, that Weber would have been discovered reletively quickly.”

Occam screams that an employee of the airline would be identified relatively quickly as well.


RobertMBlevins peers deep into a pool of irony by stating:

“9) Weber's occasional behaviors, (if true) such as tossing a bag off a bridge and taking his wife on a NW trip and dropping hints...might suggest he was living a fantasy and secretly wanted to be Cooper. Most of his life he was a loser. Maybe he wanted to be a winner, and used his wife to further those ends. If this is true, it only shows he was selfish and sentenced her to a life of endless hunting for a truth that was never there.”

Much the way Lyle said he never believed that Kenny was Cooper, but sparked some brain dead investigation which defied every statistic known to science, by ‘proving’ Kenny was coincidentally Cooper.


Captain Obvious hasn’t left the building with:

“10) The FBI did an obviously thorough investigation and may have discovered the same things.”

If Kenny isn’t Cooper, then perhaps, it’s someone else.

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seems Duane had lots of different names as I thought. I found this post from Carr

I'll vouch for the Collins name for Jo, Weber used the following names:

Duane Weber
Duane L Weber
Duane Lorin Weber
Duane Larin Weber
Duane Loren Weber
John Collins
John Chalk Collins
John Claudin Collins
John Claudian Collins

He also used different dates of birth and Socials. Weber was arrested 26 times under the various names provided (arrests that were submitted to the FBI, there could have been more but for minor offenses) starting on 12/22/1942 and ending on 06/27/1976. All 26 arrest would have been processed by the sheriff's department were the arrest occurred or the United States Marshal Service (he committed a few federal crimes). One set of prints would have been maintained by the local arresting authority the other copy sent to the FBI.

When the FBI receives the prints they create a "Master Set" of prints related to each person that prints are submitted for. If there are multiple sets for one person, the techs will use the best prints from each set to make one best Master Set.

The odds that Weber was able to have someone on the inside of the FBI to alter this process is not a reality. Someone suggested comparing all prints taken from Weber (AKA) et al to those recovered from flight 305. All of the prints are at the FBI, or at least the 26 I referenced.

a later post by Carr:

Jo, the arrest is in the system (the only way the arrests get into the system is if the arresting authority forwards the prints and charging info) and I am looking at it right now. On 06/27/1976 Duane was arrested by the Jasksonville (Fl) Sheriff's Office for Carrying Concealed Firearm, Receiving Stolen Property and DWI. JSO case number 76-278392.

The prints were forwarded to the FBI just like all of the other 26 arrests under his various alias names.

Jo,

I have located the investigative file on Duane which is chalk full of information that i am willing to provide you, I'll start with this:

On July 24 1997 our lab received the hand printed memo you have made mention of, Duane's resume and a set of your fingerprints for elimination.

On 11/06/1998, the lab reported that there were 19 prints of value discovered on the resume, of which 5 were yours. The remaining 14 prints of value were compared to the known prints of Duane Weber with negative results (meaning they didn't belong to Duane). The 14 unknown prints from the resume where compared to the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results. The known prints of Duane Weber where compared to those of the unknown latent prints recovered from flight 305 with negative results.

No prints of comparison value were recovered from the hand printed memo you supplied.

I now have and will keep at my desk the file on Duane. There are over 500 hundred pages in the file; his tax returns, court filings, interviews with relatives, results of the lab tests........ and so on.

If you want more answers to your questions I have them.

500 pages doesn't sound like a "quick botched investigation"

Where is this REPORT - you indicated it was in the thread - I never saw it! The list of name sounds like they didn't as for the spelling. John Claudian Weber was his brothers name.

John had been alienated from his brother for 38 yrs prior to Duane's death. He knew nothing of his brother since 1958 - I have letters from John that attest to this. The sister REFUSED to be interviewed, but I do not know if they finally got to her - she never mentioned it to me. The other wife in GA. - I think they contacted her, but their relationship was very volcanic so I do not know how well that would have gone. There was his friend - who he did NOT meet until after 1973 but who knew Duane well. THere were ex-employers - so that could be part of those they interviewed.

They DID NOT INTERVIEW
Tommy Gunn, Tony Wong, Ray (I forget the guys last name right now) or some of the others out of Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

The truth is Duane only had one friend he was close to and he did not meet him until 1973 and I still keep intouch with he and his wife. The others Duane contacted knew him as John Collins - but the FBI DID NOT INTERVIEW THEM - GOTTA ASK YOUR SELF WHY?

Jo, You need to get real. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror and then go to page 80 on this thread as Mrshutter mentions above.

The post with all the names is Post 1995, as Mrshutter lists in his post above, and then Post 1996 is by you. In addition, you have five more posts on page 80.

The above just confirms that you don't really read or understand or even care what other people post on this thread.

I think you owe the FBI and Carr an apology. You have mis-represented what they have done and tried to apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.

Robert99

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The one thing Carr did not do is compare the DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers after the NORJAK caper with the DNA they have taken from Sheridan Peterson. I am very certain they will find a match and this case will finally be solved. Possibly, the DNA is on its way to the FBI labs in Quantico, VA. That means we should know of the case being solved by the end of this year. The DNA under the stamps/envelope flaps is truly the Smoking Gun that will blow this case wide open.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

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Robert99 succinctly observes:

“….apply your own non-existent investigative skills to this matter.”

After I read Mrshutter45’s post, I did a search on ‘Claudian’ since it was an unusual name and went directly to Ckret’s comment. Then I noticed that skyjack71 was the next respondent and groaned at the temerity to admonish others to ‘read the thread’ while expecting some level of credibility, associated with decoding a pair of military serial numbers which confess to Duane being DB Cooper.

Stunned disbelief probably best describes the sensation I felt while reading some of the most elaborate garbage mathematics, leaps of logic and deeply buried critical thinking, while a pair of government assigned and created, serial numbers hold a secret clue to DB Cooper’s identity. One must divide by seven, then take the square root of the fourth digit and multiply by the nearest prime integer, unless it is a ‘flipper’! You must NOT forget the flipper in the code. Why aren’t you listening and using the flipper as I pointed out earlier? You have to use a flipper, don’t forget the flipper, the flipper, flipper…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akyJYeBVbuM