DB Cooper

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Transcripts and Handwritten notes from Flo,

3:13 PM Crew is hijacked

3:26 Approaching LOFALL for holding

3:57 Already have backpack chutes

4:53 Waiting for chutes from McChord

I would be surprised if an Air Force Base would have reserve chutes. I could see them saying they only have bail out rigs, but not delaying the delivery.

5:07 Within ten minutes, should have two other chutes.

44 minutes from first notice of hijacking to having the backpack chutes doesn’t really allow much time for McChord to be refused or play games. McChord is 35 miles away and it looks more like the most expedient selections, with backups were made.

5:22 He is getting very impatient for the chutes.

He has inquired three times now about chutes.

He is not accepting the fact they are not available locally.

5:26 He (presume Cooper) is aware that TCM (FAA ID for McChord) is 20 miles away.

From page 10 of the handwritten notes:

“he” said why it took
Money + chutes long time
-Chutes came from
McCord air force base.

He does wants to
Wait for the chutes
Before we land.
5 to 10 min.

That looks like McChord chutes weren’t an issue to Cooper. Where did this information come from about refusing McChord or the base not cooperating?

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I would be surprised if an Air Force Base would have reserve chutes. I could see them saying they only have bail out rigs, but not delaying the delivery.

If McChord had an Air Rescue Squadron in Nov 71 then they had reserves. PJs (ARS parachute rescue jumpers) wore chest reserves in 1971. Some time ago ARS were called ARRS (Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Squadrons) I think.

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'How could anyone go to Tina Bar today and
locate the exact spot and "hole" that existed in 1980 but does not remotely exist in physical form today? Some 30 feet of beachfront has ceased to exist since 1980, according to Tom Kaye! Were Galen and the boys standing in the water? Galen needs to provide a map and a few more details if we are to take this seriously -'

Mr. Fazio was with us in 2001 for the documentary. Even with changes in the beach at that time. The fence was still there and a couple of the original trees.
He knew where the shed was and since those 2 trees were pretty large they were pretty old.

At that time Fazio was able to pin point the find. Therefore he probably still could even if he is getting old and feeble like myself. If the original house and foundation are there - I am positive he would be able to again pin point it.

I just know what I saw and I what I witnessed on the beach and what I heard Fazion tell the crew.

If those guys on the crew took some good footage they would release (if they kept it) to us or the public or FBI that would help.

Would help validate where the money was and show how the beach changed.

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[MeyerLouie 5]

Galen G. Cook
Attorney at Law

As to the shard discovery by the kids: they were young teens, and their parents had no reason to get involved. These are fishermen, not scientists or sleuths. They prefer to be left alone and fish. I doubt any of them read the DZ, or sit around and try to establish the latest preferred theory. Most of the fishermen I talked to could care less about D.B. Cooper.
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I find this hard to believe, but as Georger says, it's too early to draw conclusions. MeyerLouie

[Farflung 0]

So here we go, round and round, where the answer is, nobody knows, but everyone’s sure.

So if there were PJs at McChord, they would have some reserve chutes. If they are PJ chutes, with reserves, then there wouldn’t be any ‘built in’ ELTs.

This is considered, even though the chutes from Cossey/Hayden and Issaquah, were visually indistinctive from military rigs, and were handled by FBI agents, who could have inserted a homing device at any time.

Cooper is getting uptight because he knows McChord is only 20 miles (actually 35) away, but ‘refuses’ rigs from the Air Force? This shit shouldn’t take 40 years to sort out.

But even if Cooper didn’t care about McChord, the Air Force had some bug up their ass about handing out chutes, even though they gave one to LaPoint for a hijacking, less than two months later.

The transcripts paint a story of the backpack chutes showing up rapidly, with the reserves being the chokepoint. Additionally the reserve and primary were incompatible.

Cooper has also been credited with selecting a military chute, and therefore making a superior ‘choice’, in spite of the fact that he ‘refused’ chutes from the military.

Cooper reads the data cards, but ignores the fact that the chute is out of time, and the reserve is a training dummy.

So the logistics of the chutes, and what Cooper said, which is recorded by Northwest, the FBI and the FAA, is still, how should I say this….. somewhat murky. But so help me god, people know exactly who Cooper is and precisely where the rest of the money is buried. Yep, that sounds just about right. You can imagine the concern I felt, when something may have started to actually follow the arc of something from Earth. Whew, that was a close one.

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'How could anyone go to Tina Bar today and
locate the exact spot and "hole" that existed in 1980 but does not remotely exist in physical form today? Some 30 feet of beachfront has ceased to exist since 1980, according to Tom Kaye! Were Galen and the boys standing in the water? Galen needs to provide a map and a few more details if we are to take this seriously -'

Agree.

And what's a good explanation for the corners of twenties to be torn off and allegedly buried right next to Ingrams find?

Does anyone recall when the news broke about Ingram's money find? It was a VERY big deal.

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You know where I grew up, if my uncle or father had taken 12 and 14 yr olds fishing and there had been a lot of talk and news items about some money found, WHAT better way to entertain your charges. Tear off the corners of some 20's & stick them in the ground near the find. Just sounds like what an Uncle or Grandpa would do!

He could always turn the rest of the bills in at a bank and get replacements. This was the first thing I thought of when I heard the story Galen supposedly uncovered.

One has to look at the other stories Galen "uncovered".

Lets call some of the things Hinges - a hinge is something that connects something to something else or JUST hangs off of something else.

I will NOTE at this time Cook used a lot of Hinges in his story connected to the story I have told since 1996. Prints on the Aft stairs is just one of the hinges to the story of Jo Weber as my accounting came many yrs before I ever heard of Cook.

Note: Cook was communicating with me for yrs. before this thread....but, he always had a suspect (he didn't even tell me his real name until I tracked him thru a source).

The information Cook provide yrs ago - he had NO idea I had others who could track the source - that one really really got Cook going when I told him who owned a certain piece of property). Cooks suspects have changed several times over the many yrs he as been at this. I expect he and I have been on this Hunt for about the same lenght of time - I just do NOT know when he started his hunt.

Hinges to my story can be identified. I am just getting old and can't put my finger on them at this time. But all of us know that some of the "stuff" he comes up with is just NOT logical:

1. A witness who sees a plane and sees the skyjacker on the aft stairs (logically everyone knows that is just NOT possible).

2. A judge who Gosset told about leaving some prints - the judge is dead. NOW this one is a HINGE to the story Jo Weber has told - about Duane's nightmare in 1978 about leaving his prints on the Aft stairs. Yrs before he ever heard of Gossett.

3. Wolfgang Gossett being protrayed as Cooper AFTER Cook get a phone call from a guy who was a kid in 1971 - claiming his father was Cooper and Cook bites - hook and sinker.

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Try this one:

Cooper may have used the Dummy Chute to pack the money in or maybe he intended to and saw something that WAS not supposed to be there - like some kind of homing device - So he tosses out of the plane. MIGHT be why the FBI was looking around Ariel and the Grist Mill.

Just a Dumb Broad think outside of the box about something she know nothing about!

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Farflung (and others) on the idea of using DF or other similar gear in the hijacking:

What makes any of you believe that Cooper was PLANNING to jump in a location where he would NEED a DF setup with someone on the ground?

You keep missing a common-sense point. If Cooper were planning on jumping south of Olympia, into the Middle of Nowhere...he probably would not have requested the stairs be down for takeoff. This choice of having to jump into the more heavily forested areas south of Olympia was probably forced upon him by circumstances. Just a few minutes' delay in getting the airstairs open could make quite a difference from where the hijacker PLANNED to jump, and where he actually DID jump.

Jeez...read the posts. Absolutely no one is advocating that they believe this. It's just being discussed and most are saying it's unlikely.

A lot of folks think that his plan was to jump immediately, but here's some more food for thought...Maybe, just maybe.... for several reasons...he wanted it open because he was just not at all sure that the door would open in flight.

Seems to me for all his "insistence", he gave in pretty easy on the door thing if he indeed knew that they could take off with it open.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Try this one:

Cooper may have used the Dummy Chute to pack the money in or maybe he intended to and saw something that WAS not supposed to be there - like some kind of homing device - So he tosses out of the plane. MIGHT be why the FBI was looking around Ariel and the Grist Mill.

Just a Dumb Broad think outside of the box about something she know nothing about!

Jo, Start thinking INSIDE the box again.

First, the dummy chute was sewn shut. It would not open when the dummy rip cord was pulled since the rip cord pins were not connected to it.

Second, the only logical place to put a tracking device would be in the main chute which was expected to be used which would activate the tracking device. The reserve chute would have been used only as a last resort even if it was operational.

Third, I doubt if the dummy chute could have held more than about one-third of the money in the first place. The reserve chute containers are quite small.

Robert99

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You might as well not get the concept too, RobertMBlevins.

Just because I TALK about something does not mean I believe in it or support it (slavery, UFOs, NAZIs). DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

DF or not, first of all, you published a pile of pure bullshit about it being too difficult to use. Pure crap and typical of everything you say. Total junk and you knew it was guano when you typed it, you knew it was garbage when you reviewed it, and you knew it was more deception when you hit the post comment button. No accidents, mistakes, or miscommunications, you made all that sorry tripe up about something you were convinced that no one would know about, let alone be intimate with the subject. If you tell the truth, you don’t have to fret and worry about covering your tracks constantly.

Why are you so terrified of the very suggestion of something, which resides in the land of probability? Did Cooper live? Could have. Did Cooper die? Could have. Gosh, I’m so conflicted, I should just consult my Ouija Board and see if it leads me to my pre-selected, although publically denied, solution.

So you lie about DF systems because you don’t think Cooper used them. Gee, thanks for the adult supervision, Mr. ‘Knows A Woman Who Was The First To Drive Four Horses Abreast AND Ran In The Iditarod’ guy. Your common sense managed to avoid case studies again where you are proven wrong, yet again.

Heady took off with the stairs closed and landed less than 17 miles from the airport. So much for your brilliant theory about having the stairs down for takeoff. McCoy flew from San Francisco to Utah, then managed to land within 10 miles of his house. Not bad for someone with nothing more than a watch, in a plane doing 3 miles a minute. How did he do that one? (insert long cricket chirps)

Where’s the common sense that would research the publication dates of a Dan Cooper comic, before declaring how ‘his’ suspect saw Dan Cooper comics in Shemya?

If it turns out to be unfeasible or impossible to use any RF devices, THEN SOME RESEARCH will support that assumption. RobertMBlevins repeating things to the point where one has such a primal reaction, that they puke until there is chunks of Mastodon meat in the bile, is not using common sense.

Why not publish your data that shows the propagation footprint of a LF beacon, or a VHF one for that matter. Hell, go up to the India band or Ka and Ku for all I care. What sort of antenna gain would you need? Would you use a parabolic system or a semi-truncated, rotating array? I certainly wouldn’t rule out gain differential techniques or interferometric for their obvious advantages. How would you handle noise reduction? Signal attenuation or channelized receivers are simple forms of filtration. Oh well, we will never be graced with those parameters because this isn’t common sense.

Now common sense is having some goober sitting in an Airstream, at some property with a phone but no building. Sure it’s almost 100 miles away from Battle Ground, but that doesn’t matter because this is better than the ‘common sense’ solution with Paradise Point Park. See he calls Bernie, but here’s the brilliant part….. he cups his hand over his mouth and talks in a whisper. See, because that way the cops can’t hear him telling Bernie how he got away with it and he needs a ride to the Airstream, where there will be no buttseks.

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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/11/19/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-disclosure-of-parachute-find-at-tinas-bar-fuels-interest-in-baffling-case/

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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Well, your assessment makes just as much sense as the one I presented. I still don't think he was planning on staying aboard long enough to have to jump into an area with few towns and roads.

I'll have to peruse the transcripts again for true numbers but don't they take off about 730ish, and some think - based on Hancock and Mucklow accounts if I remember correctly - that he supposedly has the gear on and -- the money tied before Mucklowe is in the cockpit and before the aft stair light comes on / door is down.
So Aft stair light on/door is down within 5 - 10 mins after takeoff ------ But they don't get the oscillation until around 8:12.
I don't think any of us can really know what his plan was and I'm not saying that his aim was not to make a quick dive --- - but for someone that's in a hurry to get out of there, that's approx 30 mins that he's back there twiddling his thumbs.

the magic number we have found that works so far is 7:36:33 for take off and to date I have only went as far as Toledo/Maylay area until further testing with weather is complete

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Galen has made another momentous announcement - this time telling us about a discovery of a pilot chute in 1988 by Richard Tosaw. The information had been lost in the investigatory shuffle, but a number of ciurcumstances have brought it forward now, with added weight.

I've written about it at the Mountain News:

http://themountainnewswa.net/2012/11/19/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-disclosure-of-parachute-find-at-tinas-bar-fuels-interest-in-baffling-case/

Come on, Bruce. I read the article. That find was all over the newspapers. Cook is coming off like it is a brand new discovery. Found the attached at the Lodi News Sentinel, and it's in the Deseret News and a TON of other papers.

I like you a lot, Bruce. You have gotten better, I think, on your technique. But in my humble opinion when you deal with Cook you need to start cutting through the BS and the unneeded mystery with him.

LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings.

I will definitely look forward to hearing more about it, though, with you. For one thing, the Pilot chute Is described as being 18 inches in the article, but 24 - 36 in Bruce's article. Perhaps they are talking about two different finds?? I guess we'll have to wait til more info comes out.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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no shutter did not "quote" anything, read the thread properly!!!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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'LOL... you and Jo kill me with your "venom" towards Galen Cook.

I thought that the "find" was referenced appropriately.

***"Although this information had been reported in a local newspaper at the time, it had never been carried by major media outlets and subsequently has gotten lost in 40 years worth of investigatory dust.

.... he felt the 41st anniversary of the skyjacking was an ideal moment to re-release the information, updating its meaning with the weight of recent findings...'

That information wasn't 'lost in 40 years of investigatory dust'. I found four direct references to it and dozens more available in many western newspapers and some east-coast papers. Lodi is in California, and so is San Jose. Salt Lake City is where a lot of Mormons hang out. Article appears in all of those and more. Those are not 'local media'. This story definitely hit the wire.

I don't have 'venom' toward Cook. I just have a short fuse for someone who tries to re-invent a known story, and then engage in puffery to make it sound as if HE made a big discovery out of it.

I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.

First of all, Mr Shutter didn't make that statement, I did.
Second -- anyone that knows about Cooper or has done more than a little bit of reading about the case is aware of that "pilot Chute". How old were those articles? I believe that is the reference made to 40 years of Investigatory dust.
Third - I'm calling bullshit on you not having venom toward Cook AND condescension to BSmith. It reeks as much from your posts about him as anything directed by others toward you. Cook has done no different than you in that you guys take some facts, some loose coincidental information and then try to make a story out of it. Good for him, good for you, but seriously you, of all people, have no grounds to call someone on taking liberty with the facts.
And finally, "Engage in Puffery" Really? Ye gads I've heard it all now.
Your condescending attitude or the perception of it towards Smith's writing is confusing to say the least. I'm not going to be downright ugly so you will have to read between the lines on that one.

I'm willing to wait on the rest of the info - just like I did with KC.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Why not publish your data that shows the propagation footprint of a LF beacon, or a VHF one for that matter. Hell, go up to the India band or Ka and Ku for all I care. What sort of antenna gain would you need? Would you use a parabolic system or a semi-truncated, rotating array? I certainly wouldn’t rule out gain differential techniques or interferometric for their obvious advantages. How would you handle noise reduction? Signal attenuation or channelized receivers are simple forms of filtration. Oh well, we will never be graced with those parameters because this isn’t common sense.

That is seriously impressive EE RF talk. I thought you were a bomber driver. This sounds like EWO speak. All that ECM EW lingo. We're you at the front of the BUFF or in the bowels spinning knobs?

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Smokin99 says in part:

***'Cook has done no different than you in that you guys take some facts, some loose coincidental information and then try to make a story out of it. Good for him, good for you, but seriously you, of all people, have no grounds to call someone on taking liberty with the facts.

And finally, "Engage in Puffery" Really? Ye gads I've heard it all now. Your condescending attitude or the perception of it towards Smith's writing is confusing to say the least. I'm not going to be downright ugly so you will have to read between the lines on that one.

I'm willing to wait on the rest of the info - just like I did with KC...'

Fair enough. But consider this: When I make a mistake, people point it out to me so many times it becomes redundant. I can understand that, and I can 'take it'.

However...fair is fair. And what is good for the goose is good for the gander. This means I should not be the only one pointing out the deceptions and flaws in Cook's story.

Do you know what would happen to me if I posted up (without naming names or giving details) that some boys found shards a month before Brian did (corners only, no serial numbers sorry)...and offered ZERO evidence? And then tried to connect this to an old article by using deceptive information to promote it?

Ha. You think Farflung and Georger are hard on me now?

They would have a field day with this one. I don't blame the content of that article on Bruce Smith. He simply reports what Galen Cook tells him.

And I'm saying that Cook misrepresented the information in his statements for the article. I believe he dipped into that 'patch' story in an effort to support his OTHER allegation about the 'corner-only money shards'. Then he dressed up the patch story to make the whole package look better.

I'm not necesarily the arrogant type. I'm a pretty laid-back guy, generally. This article, these claims, have nothing to do with whether or not Ken Christiansen was the skyjacker. This goes to credibility. And if Mr Cook misrepresents the information about Tosaw's nylon, and tries to pass off this 'long-buried discovery' as something new, then you have to ask what would motivate him to do that. I believe his motivation is simple. He's trying to link these stories together, and the whole thing is thinner than a sheet of Saran Wrap. No names, many claims (hired-scientist studies) and more general BS and unnecessary mystery than I can list.

It may sound like I am angry, but I am not. Disappointed in Cook? Yes. When I come to Ariel this year I am doing a video. You want to tell your side, your suspect, your story, hey...I will shoot your stuff as long as the harddrive holds out. But remember it all goes to YouTube later.

See you there. Maybe I will buy you a beer if you're polite. We may disagree on the case, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your viewpoint. Even Cook, yes. Um, BK...maybe not.

Besides, everyone knows I can't say for sure it was KC. If I knew that, I'd be on Letterman next week.

I don't know why I bothered. Suffice to say that none of you can prove anything, you are all writing what you hear others say - which might or might not be true - and frankly, on some levels, Cook's stories are as believable as yours.

Face it - the guys can't profit in any way from this, according to Cook, they could care less, don't want to be in the public - so what motivation is there for deception or fraud?
I don't necessarily think that people "lie", but the further away from an actual event you are, the less likely what you "remember" will match up with the actual event. That goes for everyone.

That's why when I read in the transcript that the people who are in the plane with him - at the moment they are in the plane with him - are saying he is 6'1 inches - then I'm gonna give that a little more credence than some internet blogger trying to figure out a way to make everyone believe he was really 5'8.

Cook's story is not going to be enhanced either way since he can't prove anything he writes about. As with your story - until you/he/they come across with some DNA, a chute, a body, or a twenty you are all just whistling in the wind with circumstantial speculation.
Every writer of every book about DB Cooper takes "artistic License" - every last one of you. And you all cherry pick your data. God forbid another rational explanation might be more logical.

Listen, When Cook's book comes out I'm quite sure we will pick it apart as per standard m.o. Whether he knows it or not, Cook also has some loose ends out there that he will need to tie up - but apparently he's still out there trying to dig up some evidence (pardon the pun).

As to which of you makes it to Letterman, well....
I personally have begun to doubt that any of the known "suspects" are/were, in fact, DB Cooper. Who knows, maybe time will tell.

And with all due respect, I'm sure you are just a peach of a fellow in real life, but you've got quite a bit of the arrogant puff adder hubris thing going on in your internet persona...and it's not flattering, nor does it help your cause. I don't think people dislike you so much as the way you come across. Oh well...it is what it is..... When I get tired I'll just put your posts in the skip over list. Sometimes I put mine in there as well...And I'll gladly let you buy me a drink, but only if you're polite. Carry on.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Any feeding frenzy is premature. The whole story
could be true. I simply raised questions which need
to be answered. The answers may come. Or may
not. Galen has been working on this for months.
Only the announcement is new. Im simply asking
questions, not even the hard questions (yet), not
passing judgement out of the box, like you.

There is virtually nothing to agree or disagree about
yet.

I have read all of the posts but just in too much pain to post much lately.

I do want to state that I have NO VENOM for Galen. I just do NOT agree with some of the "stuff" he comes up with. Why? Because all of you know if you read Sluggo's site and if you were to read the exchange of information Galen I have shared over the yrs. you might understand.

When he pulled his little "stunt" with Tina - I felt he had gone OVER-BOARD and let him know how I felt. The fact he shared some of the knowledge he gained from me and then made it basically public regarding Tina's location - I highly disapproved of...I felt I had led the Devil to Tina's santuary.

Because of that I have NOT spoke to him in a long time. Yes, Galen and I used to share a some ideas and communicated by email. I do NOT run my mouth ALL of the time about everything I know.

I was supposed to meet with Galen in 2010, but my schedule was too tight on that trip and every moment counted. I lost 2 days due to illness and only able to search 5 hours per day. I fondly refer to Galen as
"Glacier Boy". It is just some of his tactics and the fact I think he goes too far sometimes.
He is aware of this - we are NOT enemies.

You can like someone, but not agree with them all of the time.
Over the yrs - Galen has had several suspects - some which none of you will ever know about.

He like myself is unrelentless in the "Chase", but I am afraid he takes somethings just a little too far. There is NO Venom between us. He doesn't share things with me because of the "thing" regarding Tina. He also knows I do NOT like some of the tactic he uses....I have even referred to him as "Sneaky Snake in the Grass". He is aware of this.

He can say the same things about me and I am sure he has NO venom for me. At this time I have little to offer to the current conversations. The little chute story was around, but it didn't mean anything. It was part of the research others helped me do. I have an actual copy of the article.

It does appear Galen is casting his bait with a hook to show how the money got into the river, but it just will not wash. As for finding REAL testimonies about seeing the plane with the aft stairs down - I think he let a woman "use" him. She may have saw some kind of flash and heard the plane - but that is ALL.

She did NOT live in the area he keeps tooting - she lived toward the East part of Vancouver. NOTE they have NOT given her exact address just a vague indication of where she lived which covered a broad area - was she east or west in that area? Note Galen never gave her exact address.

He likes to stay vague about these things....but he sure was VOCAL about Gossett and you know where that got him. He does use a lot of hinges to any story or theory others come up with....part of the "Sneaky Snake" thing.

Galen and I are probably the two people who have spent more time in this search than all of the others put together.

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[georger 245]

I found those articles in less than 30 seconds on my first Google search.

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And I'm saying that Cook misrepresented the information in his statements for the article. I believe he dipped into that 'patch' story in an effort to support his OTHER allegation about the 'corner-only money shards'. Then he dressed up the patch story to make the whole package look better.

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Blevins you are FOS.

Your socalled "PATCH" story is just one of a number
of articles published at the time and the only one I
can find that mentions PATCH, is the one you
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This fits your bias.

If you want to blame someone blame me. I am the
one who brought this to Galen's attention. Galen
didnt even know about it.

The small chute was identified by Earl Cossey as a
possible flare chute - not by Cook or Tosaw! Cook
wasnt even on that expedition. Tosaw wasnt even
present when it was found by Rainey. Ive talked to
Rainey. (part of my "scores of interviews".) Ive
talked to another person who was involved and a kid
at the time learning diving and salvage ... happens
to own a small dive shop today.

My only disagreement with Galen about this is I was
told the FBI wound up with the chute, in their
evidence file, not Tosaw or Tosaw's family. The FBI
definately got to see it . . . up close and personal.

There are other aspects of this story Galen isnt
telling (yet). I he doesn't then at length I may.

Like Farf says: we are just discussing things. Trying
to review history and sort through things. We dont
need a minute-by-minute review and rebuke from
you. Thank you very much...

Look at the photo of the thing, See the strings at
each corner? You say it had no strings wherever you
got or invented that! How would you know? Look at
the photo. See the strings? Care to revise your
statements/propoganda?

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That was a very fair post you made. I am just too tired to carry-on much longer, but I do want to add one thing about all of the recent posts regarding Cooper having some kind of communication device or homing device.

I feel he did because of the things Duane told me and showed me in Wa.

His knowledge of small plane communications was VAST and since he pointed out a lot of small airports - he evidently flew in and out of them. 2 of these were very specific.

He knew how to make a car CD communicate with small aircraft.
He was very aware and had connections in air traffic control in the Atlanta area.

He pointed to me a spot - saying he knew someone who left a car there. This was just off of Hwy 500 on the north side not far from Green mountian and strip that was used for small plane and jumpers just north of Green Mountain.

Because JT refused to acknowledge Greene Mountain for these last 17 yrs - that is a surmounting puzzle to me. Had I not have made that trip in 2010 I would not have found it. Strange as someone stated that Bruce who was with me at that time has never commented about it. Not to one soul in the thread or privately although I am sure he and Cook may have talked about it.

What any of this means I don't know - but, putting together the things Duane talked about on that trip and the things he stated during the yrs of our marriage I am sure he used that knowledge to at least know about when to jump or to find his way after he hit the ground. I asked Mr. H if a car was ever reported abandoned there - but, he never gave me an anwer. He was out of Portland and NOT privey to everything going on in WA.

Good Night! Had a long day with an MRI today and they gave me a disk before I left. I have spent most of the night trying to compare that with other tests. Don't like what I see, but I won't have the report till Wednesday.

Hopefully it will be okay as other tests have been. I didn't like what I thought I was seeing on the disk tonight, but I am not a radiologist. My fear is based on HOW badly I have been feeling - lots of pain and so much fatique.

P.S. I don't cherry pick any information. As most of you know my story has been consitent and straight forward as it comes into the conversation. I do not strive to hide anything, because I don't know much about flight or communications.

Others hold Duane's record against the posiblity he actually pulled this off, but is is why I believe he actually did it. NO WAY he knew so much about the area and claiming he was Cooper not to have been...or and I add this - Cooper didn't make it and somewhere in WA there is a grave with 2 bodies in it. I base that on 2 things he said.

1. Maybe I was the on on the ground. (to change the direction the trip was going in or Cooper died and he buried him.)
2 The 2 grave yards puzzle me as does signal mountain (Green Mountain).

OKAY, I really have to go to bed.
Good night.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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He [Duane] knew how to make a car CD communicate with small aircraft.

Jo,

That's impossible unless the plane also had a CB radio, which is highly unlikely.

What exactly did you witness in this alleged car to plane communication?

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The little chute (seen in article photo) is DEFINITELY not a bailout rig pilot chute. It's almost certainly a flare chute. The other possibility is a radiosonde chute used to recover weather balloon payloads, but it's a bit too small for this type.

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Jo wrote

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P.S. I don't cherry pick any information

That might be true...

But what you do is speculate without supporting evidence. The speculation always supports a benevolent view of Diane and often connects him with parachuting and Norjack.

Fact: Duane spent a lot of time in prison.

Speculation: Duane was protecting young inmates from being raped. He also was associated with a prisoner smoke jumper program at Folsom Prison.

Fact: Duane stole purses, wallets etc.

Speculation: Duane left enough money for the victims to get by for a day.

Fact: Duane knew an airplane mechanic.

Speculation: The airplane mechanic was involved in parachuting activities.

Fact: Duane was familiar with geography in the area in which Cooper allegedly landed.

Speculation: Duane was either Cooper or the "man on the ground".

Fact: Duane had unexplained large amounts of cash.

Speculation: Duane was Cooper.

Fact: Duane had some odd hardware items which you sold at a garage sale.

Speculation: The items were from a parachute rig.

Fact: Duane hid some items in a van headliner.

Speculation: Items not disclosed or returned to you were related to Norjack.

Fact: Duane claimed familiarity with paraglider controls.

Speculation: Duane was a parachutist.

Fact: Duane knew a person called "Paperlegs".

Speculation: Paperlegs was associated with smoke jumping.

Fact: Duane had a prison sentence commuted.

Speculation: Duane was getting paid back for something he did for the govt.

Fact: Duane told you he was "Dan Coooooper".

Speculation: Duane was telling the truth and referring to DBC.

Fact: Duane prevented you from watching a TV show about Norjack.

Speculation: Duane was DBC.

Need I continue?

The "facts" above assume your accounts of what you saw and heard are accurate and truthful

I don't think you are a liar Jo, but I do think you are obsessed and biased and that it hugely influences the conclusions you draw from ambiguous evidence.

I know I am echoing the thoughts of most folks here when I say I hope your MRI is clean and that you recover from whatever illness you have.

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