DB Cooper

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Someone made some alterations to a post and made it sound LIKE it was me saying those words - it WAS NOT.



Jo Weber apparently wrote and inserted the following:

I more than anyone here needs resolution and soon! Very tired and I don't know why I drive myself back everynight hoping some thing has happened and then go to bed with all of the qestions driving me insane.

I am already crazy, but I need to be set free and someone to help me live what is left of my life with dignity....I just want to be ME and I want to die with MY soul entact. I want to know what if feels like to crawl into bed a normal person and for there to be some holding me before I go.
Some one who know that I have done all I can do and that I gave it the best yrs of my life. I tried and I tried and now my life feels so useless because I accomplished NOTHING of what may be the only true story never be told about Weber.
NOTE IT WAS SIGNED
Person free of the Past - and JT does NOT post here anymore.

I did NOT write the words in green above. Those sound like -words JT would make - NOT Jo Weber. I want to know how someone could do this. I would never say something like "I want to die with MY soul entact" and some of the things said afterwards.

Read the syntac - "crawl in to bed" "some one who know that"
"my life feels so useless"
"accomplished NOTHING"

I do not know how this was done, but it is clearly NOT my wording.

Note the wording below the line which indicated I would take the test, but stating I wanted JT NO where near me - that part is JO WEBER. Looks like Jerry has learned how to spook a post. He is so obvious!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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'Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability. He needed an intelligent
cooperative (reliable) partner/hostage...'

Were you a passenger on Flight 305? Did you see this type of interaction happen between Mucklow and the hijacker?

"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."

Marilyn Monroe

No and neither were you. Especially - neither were
you! But Ive had intimate contact with people who
worked on this case ... in the aftermath.

Now go ahead and build you Straw Man while I do
paper work - I will come back later to see your
latest straw man concoction based on your
credentials as a failed book writer, lay preacher,
house cleaner, sci fi book pub;lisher, writing coach,
whatever else youa dvertise on the internet you will
do for money, and man about town -


Play it again, Marilyn.

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Georger says in part:

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'Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability. He needed an intelligent
cooperative (reliable) partner/hostage...'

Were you a passenger on Flight 305? Did you see this type of interaction happen between Mucklow and the hijacker? This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard you make here. You are talking like you are a shrink, and were actually present to see this. Strictly assumption on your part. Tina went along because it was either that, or get BLOWN UP.

Wasn't it only Flo Schaffner who actually got a look inside the briefcase? If so, she described it as some red sticks, about eight inches long, a 'bunch of wires,' and a battery 'larger than you would put into a flashlight'.

That doesn't sound like an overly detailed description to me. I'm not sure about Tina Mucklow, but Flo Schaffner has said several times that she was scared to death the whole time. Rataczak stated in his interview for Blast that the flight crew seriously considered the idea that Cooper might set the bomb to go off remotely after he jumped...or that it could just go off on its own, etc. He made a comment on that after Skipp Porteous asked him about the delays attempted on the ground in Seattle by the FBI:

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'Those were times when we were afraid we might only hear one syllable of the word ‘bang.’ We might only hear the first letter or two of it.' (Refers to Cooper becoming so angry he might set off the bomb)

Blevins: reading the rest of your tripe above, you
make errors of fact above. READ THE THREAD. Get
the facts of this case under your belt and come back
in 20 years!

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Jo: If you want to identify people from pictures, people need more than the city they live in and that the pic was taken more than thirty years ago. You have to narrow it down more than that. You are not even reaching a great number of people by posting these requests at Dropzone. I've heard about some new website that can take a picture you upload to them and compare it to similar images they've catalogued from the internet. I will check on this.

I think it's TinEyeDotCom.

Robert:
Totally useless - I took the photo and it has been widely distributed on the internet. There would be NO other photos of that man on the chapel grounds to compare with. I have NO idea where YOU got the idea this was even possible.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I think the answer to Tina ... is in the rest of her life.

I have been an instructor in a few adventure sports and a participant in many more. The USAF gave me 8 years of putting highly trained MOSTLY college boys in life threatening situations ( with the caveat that I could not break them beyond repair) while never forgetting I was there to impart my knowledge of staying alive no matter where and under what situations they might find themselves in.

People respond to stress and the influx of adrenaline in far different ways.

Some of us LIVE for that... others.... end up in a convent.

I think she did a whole lot of praying on that plane that night. I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him... it was on just how close she, as a young woman, could very well end up not growing one day older.

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I think the answer to Tina ... is in the rest of her life.

I have been an instructor in a few adventure sports and a participant in many more. The USAF gave me 8 years of putting highly trained MOSTLY college boys in life threatening situations ( with the caveat that I could not break them beyond repair) while never forgetting I was there to impart my knowledge of staying alive no matter where and under what situations they might find themselves in.

People respond to stress and the influx of adrenaline in far different ways.

Some of us LIVE for that... others.... end up in a convent.

I think she did a whole lot of praying on that plane that night. I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him... it was on just how close she, as a young woman, could very well end up not growing one day older.

I knew she remembered little and that last sentence wrapped it up. She was very kind when she spoke to me that one time so many yrs ago...and I kept the vow I made to myself - NOT to bug that girl and to keep her location secret. I did a good job, but then Sneaky Snake got into the act! You know who I call Sneaky Snake - Cook. That man will do whatever it takes to get a story and he does NOT care who he hurts or who he plagurizes - he is an attorney and knows just how to get around the law.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Good one Robert.

The ears are much higher on the Utah man though.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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"That man had on some type of uniform - perhaps a music director's or band director or even a choir leader. The case appears to be one that would carry a musical instrument."


Jo, if you are talking about the picture from Salt Lake, he does not have a case, he is carrying another jacket on a hanger, the black under his arm is a shadow

Try the photo in its entirety - THAT is a BRIEFCASE, but more like a music case. The man has the case in his LEFT hand.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Someone made some alterations to a post and made it sound LIKE it was me saying those words - it WAS NOT.



Jo Weber apparently wrote and inserted the following:

I more than anyone here needs resolution and soon! Very tired and I don't know why I drive myself back everynight hoping some thing has happened and then go to bed with all of the qestions driving me insane.

I am already crazy, but I need to be set free and someone to help me live what is left of my life with dignity....I just want to be ME and I want to die with MY soul entact. I want to know what if feels like to crawl into bed a normal person and for there to be some holding me before I go.
Some one who know that I have done all I can do and that I gave it the best yrs of my life. I tried and I tried and now my life feels so useless because I accomplished NOTHING of what may be the only true story never be told about Weber.
NOTE IT WAS SIGNED
Person free of the Past - and JT does NOT post here anymore.

I did NOT write the words in green above. Those sound like -words JT would make - NOT Jo Weber. I want to know how someone could do this. I would never say something like "I want to die with MY soul entact" and some of the things said afterwards.

Read the syntac - "crawl in to bed" "some one who know that"
"my life feels so useless"
"accomplished NOTHING"

I do not know how this was done, but it is clearly NOT my wording.

Note the wording below the line which indicated I would take the test, but stating I wanted JT NO where near me - that part is JO WEBER. Looks like Jerry has learned how to spook a post. He is so obvious!

Jo, You need to stop playing games!

I wrote post 38609 and you replied to it in post 38614 and added the text in question but you got it intermingled with my own comments. In addition you edited post 38614 so it was you who added the text that you now deny knowing anything about.

I replied to your post 38614 in post 38625 and returned my comments to their original order and grouped your comments together.

You then posted a duplicate of post 38614 as post 38641.
I am now replying to your post 38642 in which you deny making the comments in post 38614 and 38641.

YOU MADE THE COMMENTS THAT YOU NOW DENY MAKING! STOP PLAYING SILLY GAMES!

Robert99

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"That man had on some type of uniform - perhaps a music director's or band director or even a choir leader. The case appears to be one that would carry a musical instrument."


Jo, if you are talking about the picture from Salt Lake, he does not have a case, he is carrying another jacket on a hanger, the black under his arm is a shadow

Try the photo in its entirety - THAT is a BRIEFCASE, but more like a music case. The man has the case in his LEFT hand.

That is a medium thickness attache case in the fellow's left hand. But he is NOT wearing a uniform of ANY kind.

Robert99

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I think the answer to Tina ... is in the rest of her life.

I have been an instructor in a few adventure sports and a participant in many more. The USAF gave me 8 years of putting highly trained MOSTLY college boys in life threatening situations ( with the caveat that I could not break them beyond repair) while never forgetting I was there to impart my knowledge of staying alive no matter where and under what situations they might find themselves in.

People respond to stress and the influx of adrenaline in far different ways.

Some of us LIVE for that... others.... end up in a convent.

I think she did a whole lot of praying on that plane that night. I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him... it was on just how close she, as a young woman, could very well end up not growing one day older.

Also, please remember that the Chief Psychologist for the FAA in Washington, DC had passed the word to the flight crew that Cooper would probably take a hostage with him and blow up the airliner when he jumped.

Further, as discussed on this thread just a few days ago, Tina had to calm Cooper down after the refueling delays and at one point she thought he was going to accidentally set off the bomb. And Tina did see the bomb.

Robert99

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Also, please remember that the Chief Psychologist for the FAA in Washington, DC had passed the word to the flight crew that Cooper would probably take a hostage with him and blow up the airliner when he jumped.

What an idiot. Like a PhD in psychology qualifies him to predict this. I wonder if he predicted the exit point and deployment altitude too.

Looks like he was wrong on all fronts. Amazon would call him a "college boy". I'd be less kind.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Also, please remember that the Chief Psychologist for the FAA in Washington, DC had passed the word to the flight crew that Cooper would probably take a hostage with him and blow up the airliner when he jumped.

What an idiot. Like a PhD in psychology qualifies him to predict this. I wonder if he predicted the exit point and deployment altitude too.

Looks like he was wrong on all fronts. Amazon would call him a "college boy". I'd be less kind.

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Yes he called it wrong. But there is context for how
he called it, which you obviously forget since we
discussed this at length previously in this thread.
I guess you did not pay attention being not
entertained, in your subliminal id.

For your information psychiatry is a medical
discipline awarded by medical schools and State
boards, physician first, not necessarily a PhD in any
discipline (psychology or electrical engineering). Many
psychiatrists go on to get a PhD ... as do some
orthopedists or pediatrists or veterinarians or
vegetarians or Moose Lodge members!

Are you saying you don't trust psychiatrists?

You should deal with an FBI profiler!!


Merry Entertainment to you and the Wicked Tuna.

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'Blevins: reading the rest of your tripe above, you
make errors of fact above. READ THE THREAD. Get
the facts of this case under your belt and come back
in 20 years!...'

This thread does not have all the answers. If it did, the case would be solved already. I didn't SAY Flo was the only one to see the bomb. I ASKED if she was the only one. In any case, my previous comment on your assumptions, fantasies, etc stands. Stop trying to shrink the stews. You weren't there. Tripe? You are the one slaughtering the beef and cooking up the whole stomach here, not me.

I'm happy to hear you had 'intimate relations' with people involved in the case. Hope you used protection, or if they were kinda homely...that you had a few drinks beforehand.

What a COWARDLY thing to say!

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I think the answer to Tina ... is in the rest of her life.
I have been an instructor in a few adventure sports and a participant in many more. The USAF gave me 8 years of putting highly trained MOSTLY college boys in life threatening situations ( with the caveat that I could not break them beyond repair) while never forgetting I was there to impart my knowledge of staying alive no matter where and under what situations they might find themselves in.

People respond to stress and the influx of adrenaline in far different ways.

Some of us LIVE for that... others.... end up in a convent.

I think she did a whole lot of praying on that plane that night. I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him... it was on just how close she, as a young woman, could very well end up not growing one day older.

Well, Ive stated my position - take it or leave it.

Ive said about all Im going to say, in this context.

Your first remark: 'I think the answer to Tina ... is in
the rest of her life.'

causes me to say: dont look for a simple monolithic
solution. Basic life issues do not suddenly get
suspended just because a person finds themselves
in a combat zone, sudden victim in a criminal attack
or traffic accident, etc ... threads in life which existed
prior to an event usually continue in some form after
an event, or serie of events ... life and neurology
are not monolithic but a bit more complicated and
rugged than stereotypes might suggest.

You would really have to talk to Tina to know ...

That's my opinion.

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Yes he called it wrong. But there is context for how
he called it, which you obviously forget since we
discussed this at length previously in this thread.
I guess you did not pay attention being not
entertained, in your subliminal id.

I doubt very much that this guy went to med school G. Read it closely. Psychologist not Psychiatrist. Not that it matters much in this context.

I know something about the training Psychologists get. My ex got her PhD in psych at UCLA while we were together. Six years of classes and clinical work. Nothing in her doctoral or post doc curriculum or practical training made her qualified to make a similar behavioral predictions based on such scanty second hand info.

Do I have a grudge against behavioral scientists? Not if they act like scientists. When they go into fortune teller mode then I do. In a life threatening emergency, guesses masquerading as science can get people killed.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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you must have put the picture on here twice? this was the pic I was looking at, missing lower half.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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"I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him"

can we really assume that Tina didn't pay any attention to Cooper's characteristics, due to stress, I can see this happening with a crime that is much shorter (Robbery, car jacking) most crimes are over in minutes giving less of a chance to ID the individual due to stress. this crime went on for hours and yet we still have different descriptions. one can still be intelligent, calm cool and collective and still be missing the perception of what they recall.

this almost plays out as if Cooper hijacked the plane and 20 minutes later removed the stews before taking off, then one could understand why the descriptions were off, but hours with him boggles me in understanding differences description wise? I do understand the stress of the bomb going off, but nowhere have I read panic was in play. she was calm enough to light a cigarette for him, that's up close and personal.

I think in IMO Flo had a better perception of recalling what she seen vs what Tina seen?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhMdC7MO0U

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Yes he called it wrong. But there is context for how
he called it, which you obviously forget since we
discussed this at length previously in this thread.
I guess you did not pay attention being not
entertained, in your subliminal id.

I doubt very much that this guy went to med school G. Read it closely. Psychologist not Psychiatrist. Not that it matters much in this context.

I know something about the training Psychologists get. My ex got her PhD in psych at UCLA while we were together. Six years of classes and clinical work. Nothing in her doctoral or post doc curriculum or practical training made her qualified to make a similar behavioral predictions based on such scanty second hand info.

Do I have a grudge against behavioral scientists? Not if they act like scientists. When they go into fortune teller mode then I do. In a life threatening emergency, guesses masquerading as science can get people killed.

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TRANSCRIPT T8:
TIME PERIOD 6:59 – 7:41

time: xxx

[message from FAA psychiatrist]
Lee: 305? Did you hear the message? FAA
from Washington DC, from the FAA
Chief Psyhiatrist. He believes the second parachute
is for the stewardess to
use with him to go out, and after he leaves the
airplane will be blown up !
P: ALL, I kind of figured some way to get
her out, Id kind of like to get her out
when we’re ready to go.
GC: OK you got the message. That’s what we
needed to forward.
AL: Bill, this is Al here.
P: Yea
AL: Have you been able to get in the back
end of that cockpit or won’t he come
out?
P: He doesn’t want any of us in the aisle.
The only one he negotiates with is the
Stewardess (Mucklow) and he doesn’t
want anybody beyond that first
curtain. We’ve never left the cockpit.

GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do
(is OK with us).

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My mistake G, looks like he was an MD Psychiatrist, but I still think he was in fortune teller mode, using a "sciencey" job title to push a guess.

Unrelated, but cool and relevant to aviation, wind drift etc. A small (about 6 ft dia) latex ham radio balloon carrying position reporting radio gear was launched from San Jose CA the other day. Last evening it crossed the Morrocan coast!!! It was travelling at about 100,000 ft. Filled with hydrogen.

http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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My mistake G, looks like he was an MD Psychiatrist, but I still think he was in fortune teller mode, using a "sciencey" job title to push a guess.

Unrelated, but cool and relevant to aviation, wind drift etc. A small (about 6 ft dia) latex ham radio balloon carrying position reporting radio gear was launched from San Jose CA the other day. Last evening it crossed the Morrocan coast!!! It was travelling at about 100,000 ft. Filled with hydrogen.

http://www.californianearspaceproject.com/

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well you may still be correct. After several searches
Im not sure myself. The transcript clearly says
psychiatrist but the FAA in 1968-75 also had a
Chief "Psychologist" named: Dr. John T. Dailey,
Chief Psychologist of the FAA ...

Google that name :
Dr. John T. Dailey, Chief Psychologist of the FAA
and you find a Google document where he discusses
the psychology of skyjackers .. and procedures.

I couldnt find Snowmman's prior discussion of this
on the thread search ... may look later when I have
more time.

Whoever it was I cant find the name at Sluggo's site
either .. tried searching there.

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From G's radio transcript quote:

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GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do

Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC speculates that DBC has that info too.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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"I think Dean Martin could have been the hijacker and she would not have been able to describe him. Her focus was not on him"

can we really assume that Tina didn't pay any attention to Cooper's characteristics, due to stress, I can see this happening with a crime that is much shorter (Robbery, car jacking) most crimes are over in minutes giving less of a chance to ID the individual due to stress. this crime went on for hours and yet we still have different descriptions. one can still be intelligent, calm cool and collective and still be missing the perception of what they recall.

this almost plays out as if Cooper hijacked the plane and 20 minutes later removed the stews before taking off, then one could understand why the descriptions were off, but hours with him boggles me in understanding differences description wise? I do understand the stress of the bomb going off, but nowhere have I read panic was in play. she was calm enough to light a cigarette for him, that's up close and personal.

I think in IMO Flo had a better perception of recalling what she seen vs what Tina seen?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buhMdC7MO0U

What would be the effect on someone being terrified and internalizing that fear over several hours.... as opposed to a short duration with a rapid adrenaline crash. Both can leave someone shaking... but with an extended period of that level of stress, it leaves people mentally and physically drained.
People deal with the after effects of traumatic events differently. Some recover quickly, others are never the same again. PTSD does not affect everyone but to some it is completely debilitating. We saw those effects after the South East Asian War Games... and we are seeing them again now with our young people coming home and just like my generation, many find an exit from all that internal pain in ways that society finds abhorrent. Trust me on this one... finding a loved ones brains splattered over the their books in the study is something I would wish on no one.

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From G's radio transcript quote:

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GC:
Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do

Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on
operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC
speculates that DBC has that info too.

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That doc I refer to to above: Dr. John T. Dailey, Chief Psychologist of the FAA

Dailey's comments about skyjackers (profile) as a
group is remarkably close to what Farflung said.
Makes me wonder if Farflung read this doc? You
really should take a look at this document: here's
the url ... hopfully somebody who knows how can
wrap it:

http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?
article=2103&context=flr&sei-redir=1&referer=http%
3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fhl%3Den%
26source%3Dhp%26q%3DDr.%2BJohn%2BT.%
2BDailey%252C%2BChief%2BPsychologist%2Bof%
2Bthe%2BFAA%252C%26gbv%3D2%26oq%3DDr.%
2BJohn%2BT.%2BDailey%252C%2BChief%
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26gs_l%3Dheirloom-
hp.3...2391.2391.0.4110.1.1.0.0.0.0.172.172.0j1.1.0
...0.0...1c.YMDa8eUc6zQ#search=%22Dr.%20John%
20T.%20Dailey%2C%20Chief%20Psychologist%
20FAA%2C%22

G.

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From G's radio transcript quote:

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GC: Did you get the maps I sent out there?
P: Yea we got all that stuff.
GC: And you got that ‘deal’ from Boeing on
how to get out of there?
P: Yea we got that.
GC: He’s got that himself maybe. I don’t
know – whatever you elect to do

Is the "'deal' from Boeing" referring to info on operating a 727 as a jumpship? Interesting that GC speculates that DBC has that info too.

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I think they were discussing the possibility of getting Tina back in the cockpit and then Tina and the entire flight crew would use the cockpit "escape rope" to vacate the aircraft through a cockpit window.

If they could have done that, Cooper would have been the only one on the aircraft and the matter would have been resolved in whatever manner he chose. Surrender or hot lead.

Robert99