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QuoteI am pretty sure I know what happen to the seat
my profile pic is of one of the last shots of the plane.
If we are on the same page I believe the rear stairs
were mentioned as well?
I didn't know they had Tina's uniform, interesting...
Is this what you are referring to - from the Peidmont site? attached -
Years ago we had some discussion/posts about
the back sets being pulled out of N467US after the
hijacking ... not sure if saved as evidence but the
plane did get a makeover prior to being sold to the
new owner ... stews used to get questions from
passangers who wanted photos: 'is this the Cooper
hijacking plane?'.. I will scare up the Pieidmont url
for you if you want it... may be something about this
over at Sluggo's site.
georger 247
This may not matter. Tina's uniform probably got pretty wet while she made those trips in and out dragging in the chutes and money out of the rain. I'll also assume the FBI didn't make her strip when they got to Reno...since the tech for DNA was nonexistent in 1971. She almost certainly had it cleaned after the hijacking............ blah blah blah blah blah blah .................................
Huh?
Did the scent-horse go on board at Reno?
The bigger the nose, the bigger the smeller.
Thats why horses come up behind you and hit you
right between the butt-cheeks.
What happened to Tina's gloves?
Hmm. More food for thoughtness.
mrshutter45 21
I will have to find the site, upon destroying the plane Cooper buffs
were asked if the seat was wanted along with the rear stairs
my profile pic is of N467US being dismantled
B727-51 18803 Line Number: 137 First Flight 9-4-65
N407US assigned but not used.
N467US....22-4-65.....Northwest Airlines
N838N......6-6-78.......Piedmont Airlines
...............1-12-82.......leased to United Technologies returned 1-2-83
...............1-5-83.........leased to Flight Dynamics for Heads-up display
..................................testing returned 20-1-84
...............9-84............Key Airlines
N29KA.....5-85............Key Airlines reregistered
...............1-87............AvSales/Key Airlines
...............7-88............WorldCorpLeasing/Key Airlines
apparently a piece of the plane surfaced (see photo)
Withdrawn from use Feb 93, flown to Greenwood MS Oct 93 to be
broken up. Scrapped 1996.
Clyde Jabin, who's mistake applied "D.B." to Cooper's name, spent more than three decades with UPI, but died in a 2001 car accident at age 73.
were asked if the seat was wanted along with the rear stairs
my profile pic is of N467US being dismantled
B727-51 18803 Line Number: 137 First Flight 9-4-65
N407US assigned but not used.
N467US....22-4-65.....Northwest Airlines
N838N......6-6-78.......Piedmont Airlines
...............1-12-82.......leased to United Technologies returned 1-2-83
...............1-5-83.........leased to Flight Dynamics for Heads-up display
..................................testing returned 20-1-84
...............9-84............Key Airlines
N29KA.....5-85............Key Airlines reregistered
...............1-87............AvSales/Key Airlines
...............7-88............WorldCorpLeasing/Key Airlines
apparently a piece of the plane surfaced (see photo)
Withdrawn from use Feb 93, flown to Greenwood MS Oct 93 to be
broken up. Scrapped 1996.
Clyde Jabin, who's mistake applied "D.B." to Cooper's name, spent more than three decades with UPI, but died in a 2001 car accident at age 73.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
377 22
Jo writes
Jo,
Care to cite any research linking pot smoking and a rise in crime? When I worked in the public defenders office I saw tons of drug related crime, but it was heroin, coke, pain killers, etc. I never saw anyone doing robberies to buy pot. Junkies would steal from their own mother to buy more, but I just didn't see that behavior in people who were cited for pot posession. Pot growers and dealers get robbed but that's about money not something caused by smoking pot.
That Hubbard book sounds quite a bit like shooting from the hip rather than serious scientific research. But engineers often look critically at social research.
It's occurred to me that Cooper could have been an addict. I remember junkies telling me in jail interviews how awful it was to have to do a small burglary every day or two. They wished they could do one big job and relax. Nobody seeks money harder than a junkie who is running out of cash.
And don't think junkies are all disheveled bums. They have included working doctors, lawyers and even airline pilots. As long as they have the income they don't need to turn to crime.
377
QuoteWA legalizing marijuana was a
very bad move. The crime rate will go off the wall...
Jo,
Care to cite any research linking pot smoking and a rise in crime? When I worked in the public defenders office I saw tons of drug related crime, but it was heroin, coke, pain killers, etc. I never saw anyone doing robberies to buy pot. Junkies would steal from their own mother to buy more, but I just didn't see that behavior in people who were cited for pot posession. Pot growers and dealers get robbed but that's about money not something caused by smoking pot.
That Hubbard book sounds quite a bit like shooting from the hip rather than serious scientific research. But engineers often look critically at social research.
It's occurred to me that Cooper could have been an addict. I remember junkies telling me in jail interviews how awful it was to have to do a small burglary every day or two. They wished they could do one big job and relax. Nobody seeks money harder than a junkie who is running out of cash.
And don't think junkies are all disheveled bums. They have included working doctors, lawyers and even airline pilots. As long as they have the income they don't need to turn to crime.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Quote
Let's change the subject - NEW TOPIC!
What happened to Tina's uniform?
I never heard anything about Tina's uniform being a question. Unlikely Cooper touched her uniform and DNA was just not even thought about in those days.
Good question about the seats on the plane - but where are they now?
No my posts are not my book, they are part of a search for answers just like everyone else who posts here.
Yes, I do try to keep in touch with others who seem to have been affected by this...but that is irrelevant. I have compassion for them - but, do NOT agree with them. I fight my own battles.
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Seems that is the direction the thread is taking lately. Think I will just fill out the forms I received in the mail with Copies to the FBI. At least it might be productive.
NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U.
As for the hijacked Boeings parts - ask the co-pilot about this. I remembered him making some statements to me, but do NOT recall what he said - it was a long time ago....
Wish someone would find out if Sluggo is still alive and how he is doing. That would at least be productive.
NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U.
As for the hijacked Boeings parts - ask the co-pilot about this. I remembered him making some statements to me, but do NOT recall what he said - it was a long time ago....
Wish someone would find out if Sluggo is still alive and how he is doing. That would at least be productive.
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mrshutter45 21
If you seen my post at the top of the page it shows what happened to old 305.
parts went into other planes I'm sure the seats were destroyed....
to answer 377's question, I just watched on DVD "Flight" with Denzel Washington
Pilot with alcohol and drug problem crashes a plane.....anyone can have the addection,
parts went into other planes I'm sure the seats were destroyed....
to answer 377's question, I just watched on DVD "Flight" with Denzel Washington
Pilot with alcohol and drug problem crashes a plane.....anyone can have the addection,
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Robert99 50
QuoteSeems that is the direction the thread is taking lately. Think I will just fill out the forms I received in the mail with Copies to the FBI. At least it might be productive.
NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U.
As for the hijacked Boeings parts - ask the co-pilot about this. I remembered him making some statements to me, but do NOT recall what he said - it was a long time ago....
Wish someone would find out if Sluggo is still alive and how he is doing. That would at least be productive.
Jo, It takes some gall for you to make such a statement about Georger. You probably don't have the slightest idea of who he is.
If he or anyone else had even hinted at such a thing about you, you would have posted about 10 red outrageous replies and demanded that they be banned from the list.
Robert99
mrshutter45 21
last I heard about Sluggo was he was alive and well and lost interest in Cooper......
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
smokin99 0
Quotelast I heard about Sluggo was he was alive and well and lost interest in Cooper......
Or maybe he just lost interest in the forum?
lol..I would post more but I've got to clean my laptop....when a certain person said he was ignoring another person's posts, I spewed Mountain Dew all over my screen.
. If wishes were pennies........but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
mrshutter45 21
that works too, and understandable, at least your laptop will have mountain fresh scent 
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
QuoteQuoteSeems that is the direction the thread is taking lately. Think I will just fill out the forms I received in the mail with Copies to the FBI. At least it might be productive.
NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U.
As for the hijacked Boeings parts - ask the co-pilot about this. I remembered him making some statements to me, but do NOT recall what he said - it was a long time ago....
Wish someone would find out if Sluggo is still alive and how he is doing. That would at least be productive.
Jo, It takes some gall for you to make such a statement about Georger. You probably don't have the slightest idea of who he is.
If he or anyone else had even hinted at such a thing about you, you would have posted about 10 red outrageous replies and demanded that they be banned from the list.
Robert99
Robert U need to have your head examined. Do you actually read the little remarks Georger and I share - we do this to each other and be assured he has done me more times than you care to count. I am NOT going to change that wording - and U can bet Georger will get a kick out of it.
I don't know the man personally, but I know who he is and his accomplishments. YOU really need to read WAY back in this thread. Georger is very hard on me and every once in a while I get a punch in on him. Sometimes he is OK with it and sometimes he comes out fighting like a BANTY ROOSTER.
U need to clean UP your act and try to have some fun with this - do U need some preparation H?.
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Robert99 50
QuoteQuoteQuoteSeems that is the direction the thread is taking lately. Think I will just fill out the forms I received in the mail with Copies to the FBI. At least it might be productive.
NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U.
As for the hijacked Boeings parts - ask the co-pilot about this. I remembered him making some statements to me, but do NOT recall what he said - it was a long time ago....
Wish someone would find out if Sluggo is still alive and how he is doing. That would at least be productive.
Jo, It takes some gall for you to make such a statement about Georger. You probably don't have the slightest idea of who he is.
If he or anyone else had even hinted at such a thing about you, you would have posted about 10 red outrageous replies and demanded that they be banned from the list.
Robert99
Robert U need to have your head examined. Do you actually read the little remarks Georger and I share - we do this to each other and be assured he has done me more times than you care to count. I am NOT going to change that wording - and U can bet Georger will get a kick out of it.
I don't know the man personally, but I know who he is and his accomplishments. YOU really need to read WAY back in this thread. Georger is very hard on me and every once in a while I get a punch in on him. Sometimes he is OK with it and sometimes he comes out fighting like a BANTY ROOSTER.
U need to clean UP your act and try to have some fun with this - do U need some preparation H?.
Jo, And just earlier today you claimed you hadn't been smoking pot!
Robert99
QuoteQuotelast I heard about Sluggo was he was alive and well and lost interest in Cooper......
Or maybe he just lost interest in the forum?
lol..I would post more but I've got to clean my laptop....when a certain person said he was ignoring another person's posts, I spewed Mountain Dew all over my screen.. If wishes were pennies........
Got another laugh out of this tonight....Blevins is FOREVER selling his book NO matter HOW much he may protest.
Robert99 is really getting testy lately. He attacks everything I say and he has NO sense of humor - at least Georger "most of the time" can take a good punch and so do I.
So what deductions do I make about Robert99 - he knows the OLD girl is ON something and he can't stand it. I have been taking the punches for YRS and he can't stand for me to say ONE word lately.
He sure is GETTING TESTY about my posts lately. He tries to find something negative about every word I post - even when I am having fun.
AHH! I got it - he can't stand for anyone to have FUN. When the thread gets like it has lately - WE have to have some fun with it. I don't think Robert99 has a fun bone in his body. One thing for sure he doesn't want me posting here at all.
What is wrong Robert99, has Spokane got you a little nervous.
If not - something has got you rattled. Me on something or on to something? Duhhh! At least I am not an old cranky guy with nothing to offer....and at least I keep on investigating. How about a little more investigating and a little less bashing.
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QuoteMeyer Louie says in part:
QuoteSpeaking of ridiculous assumptions, where did you come up with the one that I was a prison guard?
(You said you worked at McNeil Island Prison, and used that as a reference on your Cooper-was-a-sociopathic post)QuoteI also forgot to tell you I worked for the FBI -- I was a Frickin' Boiler Inspector. You make assumptions sbout people, out of the clear blue, and then you just go with it -- no verification, you just go.
(I basically asked you TWICE in posts whether you were a guard, but you didn't answer. Most people who would say they worked at a prison and use that reference to make a psych opinion are either a psych or a guard. Obviously you were neither. Hopefully you got the heating system going at McNeil so the prisoners don't freeze their asses off.QuoteI can tell you this much, Blevins: my involvement at McNeil was a bit more specialized, but I just don't feel comfortable sharing any specifics with you...
(Not a problem)QuoteYou can understand that -- we're just not really all that close. I don't see us sitting around the campfire singing "Cum By Ya" any time soon...'
(I got enough friends anyway. At least you quit with the idiot stuff, I'll give you that.
Georger says in part:Quote'What happened to Tina's uniform? Does the FBI have it? Why wasnt Tom Kaye allowed to see and test it? Why hasn't Geoff Gray written about it?
How did Adventure Books B.I/C.S.I. forget to
mention it in reference to Kenny's dna on the
uniform!? Or Weber's dna on the uniform?...'
This may not matter. Tina's uniform probably got pretty wet while she made those trips in and out dragging in the chutes and money out of the rain. I'll also assume the FBI didn't make her strip when they got to Reno...since the tech for DNA was nonexistent in 1971. She almost certainly had it cleaned after the hijacking. I guess she should have stripped on the plane, left her uniform on the same seat as the tie and met the press in her underwear. To preserve that future DNA possibility. As an added bonus...those pictures of the crew de-planing in Reno would have been WAY more interesting.
You are a barrel of laughs today.
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No Blevins, you assumed twice I was a prison guard at McNeil, you didn't ask --you just assumed, as usual. Even if you had asked me what I actually did at McNeil, I wouldn't have told you -- I divulge personal things only to friends and people I respect.
You're such an expert on everything. How does one attain such knowledge, Grasshopper? How does one become more confused at a higher level, and about more important things? Speak, oh Wise One -- oh Great Expert.
MeyerLouie
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QuoteSkyjack 71 says in part:
Quote'NO ONE is doing one thing that is related to attempts to solve the crime anymore. All U guys are doing is throwing things out there - and with NO basis for them.
Blevins is selling his book,
Georger is making NO sense at all - is he a closet alcoholic? Being to sound like it - that or he is MORE off his Rocker than I am proposed to be by some of U...'
Okay, first...stop with the book thing. Whether I post here or not makes absolutely no impact on sales. For the 100th time: 97% of our sales come from the wholesale-only Ingram catalog. About two percent from Amazon, and the remaining one percent from direct sales, mostly from deliveries to local bookstores in the Puget Sound area.
I spent almost three months creating a detailed report on Christiansen for the Seattle FBI. That is something regarding 'helping solve the case'. Or at least trying to eliminate one of the known suspects.
I think Georger's a smart guy, but his posts are increasingly nonsensical and bitter in the extreme. I find myself ignoring his posts more and more. After Geoff Gray emailed me last week and said he NEVER told ANYONE I was 'untrustworthy' or those other things Georger claimed he said...well, I no longer pay attention to Georger much.
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One big problem around here is that everyone thinks their opinion is the only one that counts, and everyone else is either wrong, or full of BS.
Practice what you preach, Blevins. Meyer Louie
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Attacking the messenger instead of addressing the message has become the norm. Also...at least three of you who post here (one is known) trashed Regina's article over at Wordpress with the most filthy crap I've ever read. So now I no longer trust anyone around here except 377 and a couple of others.
It's part of the reason I decided to withhold the release of the KC report from Dropzone, because frankly...some of you can't be trusted.
Cooperland, I have discovered, has a Hate Department.
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Especially for the know-it-alls and vitriol magnets...
Let 's get real Blevins, how much time and attention do you really think your KC report is going to get? I heard the FBI scrapped your theory years ago (not much has changed, from what I've heard) and guys like Georger barely acknowledge your report's existence. I see you waving the banner, but no one is falling in behind you. I think it's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that you just might be a legend in your own mind. It really is true -- when you do so little to establish crediblity, you get so little respect.
MeyerLouie
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georger 247
QuoteTheory: Let's assume for a moment that Cooper reached the ground and somehow made his way out of the area. If this were true, then in 2012 this might be the loftiest goal of all, short of actually ID'ing Cooper:
Narrow down within one square mile the actual spot where Cooper landed. For real.
Since there will undoubtably be variables, you might have to pick several of these possible square-mile spots for a search. But each spot can be no larger than one square mile.
After at least three to five of these possible LZ's are established, you could advertise their locations to the general public and encourage searching. I would recommend metal detectors.
Since no other evidence has been found other than the Tina Bar money and the placard, and so much time has passed, and SO many people comb the forests in the area Cooper jumped...you might assume Cooper buried some of the evidence. Briefcase, the bomb, the chute come to mind. Maybe even a body, although the Tina Bar money does present problems with that scenario if you believe the FBI's official flight path. Since no chute, briefcase, or bomb have ever been found, assuming any evidence hasn't come to light because it was buried might be a safe assumption. And let's face it, if anything was ABOVE ground after all these years you might just stumble over it.
Searching an entire square mile of woods in SW Washington forests is no easy task. The FBI and the Army found this out forty-some years ago. What's needed here is the interest of the public in conducting additional searches next summer, in small groups with at least one metal detector per group. All you have to do is advertise and give people a few spots to try looking.
I can establish a webpage at AB with the maps and instructions for anyone interested in trying...but some possible locations for those maps need to be decided first. I have a White's MXT to add to the effort.
Nice to see you're working with noted author
Geoffrey Gray again. Will you be editing his revised
edition for him?
Likewise taking a positive direction for a change and
conducting an actual searches of the dropzone area.
Are permits required? Gray and the FBI can help you
with that.
Looks like you are on a roll, with Geoffrey Gray and
the FBI at your side. A TV documentary cannot be
far behind.
Thanks for the announcement!
georger 247
You're just pissed off I caught you in a lie that you kept repeating for almost a year. That is a personal problem for you, and no concern of mine. If you want to call Gray a liar on that, you know where his website is.
"Just because you fail once doesn't mean you're gonna fail at everything..."
Marilyn Monroe
Why would anyone take your word for anything?
I have stated the facts and the FACTS have not
changed. Gray made the remarks I say he did.
Your problem Blevins is to figure out why Gray would
lie to you, if he has.
Keep in mind Blevins, I am not the only person on
Earth Gray has made remarks to concerning you.
Gray has made "remarks" about a lot of people, as
have you right here on Dropzone.
You put a lot of people to a lot of trouble - or so
you try.
One thing Ive noticed about you and Gray; you are
both big talkers. Maybe you need to talk it out, and
leave the rest of the world alone - FOR A CHANGE!
Your problem is between the two of you and nobody
else. The rest of us are just "spectators" and your
"audience".
Try your act in a mini skirt and a beanie hat with a
propeller? That should get a laugh from "Americans
want to know!" (your line).
Nighty night Marilyn.
"I dont like boasters"
Gen. Douglas MacArthur
my profile pic is of one of the last shots of the plane.
If we are on the same page I believe the rear stairs
were mentioned as well?
I didn't know they had Tina's uniform, interesting...
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