Farflung 0 #37401 January 13, 2013 Your attachment is titled “not exactly lesbians” I’ll ask for the last time: How do you know they aren’t lesbians? If they or anyone of them is, then it shouldn’t matter. You have anointed yourself as USAF lesbian detector? How did you arrive at this conclusion? Is it just more talking out of your face again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #37402 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuote Why did Cooper reject the military chutes from McChord AFB? It was common knowledge in 1971 that military emergency parachutes, especially those used in Southeast Asia, carried a "pinger" or "beacon" that could be tracked by rescue aircraft. It appears that Cooper was aware of that information. Explain something is simple non jumper language. The emergency chute you are referring to - that WAS not one of the back packs but a front pack. Bear with a dumb woman for a moment with this. This is important. Before you guys talked in a language I could NOT follow so WHY I did NOT enter into conversations about chutes. NOW I am asking a specific question. 2 chutes and 2 front packs - which ones were missing? Explain in simple words - such as military chute and Military front pac. I NEED to know which ones were left on the plane and which ones were missing. There has been 2 or 3 stories. One chute left on plane and 3 chutes left on plane - what was actually left on the plane and in basic laymans terms describe the 4 items (be sure to say Front pac for the emergency and back pac for the 2 regular chutes. I know this sounds stupid but NOT for a NON jumper and someone who knows NOTHING about chutes. Quote Since this particular parachute was not under control of the military, Cooper could be reasonably certain that it did not have a tracking beacon. Would it not have also required special equipment to pack? I know stupid question...meaning it could not have quickly been unpacked and then repacked for Cooper with a homing device placed by the FBI. I know that is a stupid question but one I as a layman have always wanted to ask. Some of these guy pretend to know what the jumpers are talking about and when they write their article they get it all wrong. For flight crew members, the emergency parachute is usually mounted on the back. In such a situation there would not be a chest parachute. However, there is (or at least was during the World War 2 era) a chest emergency parachute that was used by flight crew members who were operating in extremely cramped compartments or their duties prevented them from wearing a back emergency parachute. This front emergency parachute consisted of a harness, which was worn by the crewmember at all times, with the actual parachute pack mounted on the aircraft structure where the crewmember could reach it and then fasten it to his harness by two snap fasteners in emergencies. This type parachute was sometimes called a "quick donning" parachute. Both of the parachutes described above were called emergency parachutes and a crewmember only had one parachute canopy. In the case of sports parachuting in the 1971 time frame, the jumper wore two parachutes. Typically, the back parachute was the one that would be opened on each jump and it could be packed by the jumper. The front chest pack was called the reserve and it was required to be packed by a certificated parachute rigger. The chest pack could be considered an "emergency" parachute in that respect. None of the sports parachutes in the 1971 era required any special tool for packing the back pack. The chest pack, which had to be packed by a certificated rigger, usually didn't require any special tool either. This is not to say that some simple tools and equipment such as spare pins, sand bag weights, awls, etc. (including a friend or two to help at some points), were not useful and time and labor saving in the packing of these parachutes. In the case of Cooper's jump, Tina observed one back pack (identified as an NB-6) being worn by Cooper prior to her going to the cockpit. Tina also saw Cooper open one of the chest packs and cut out some of the shroud lines which he then used to tie the money bag to his waist. One back pack definitely went with Cooper. One chest pack was opened on the plane and some of its shroud lines were cut out. One back pack was left on the airplane. The remaining chest pack was the dud and what happened to it is unknown. Cooper probably just threw it out. But if he did tie it to the back pack he had on in some jury rigged manner, in my opinion that would have been very dumb from just an aerodynamic point of view. Just using a single back pack, without a jury rigged chest pack, would have been safer and reduced his chances of tumbling in my opinion. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #37403 January 13, 2013 Quote Quote How do you know they aren’t lesbians? What wrong with being a lesbian? Your statement infers that and isn’t polite. You should be polite. You should be sensible and look up the meaning of 'misogynistic'. Thought you were a smart guy. I was standing UP for women. Not all our female military personnel are lesbians. Most are regular US babes fighting and/or serving their country. And even if some of them are gay, I don't have a problem with that. Everyone who takes the oath, picks up a weapon, or does a job in the forwarding of our continued freedom deserves our respect. I'm attaching the picture of those Air Force women one last time as a reminder. For the love of Blevins - GET OVER YOURSELVES! the one w two yrs comm college & the one w/o - Now. What would you do if they were lesbians? Cry? Stalk them? Write an editorial at Newsvine? Or pull your ear hair out? Simple Simon sayz ... This is purdy damned funny! You fell for it once again; hell you invent it - hook. line, and sinker. OH! and call up that producer in Portland and apologise. Yuve had your fifteen minutes tonight. [rolls eyes] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37404 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteHow do you know they aren’t lesbians? What wrong with being a lesbian? Your statement infers that and isn’t polite. You should be polite. You should be sensible and look up the meaning of 'misogynistic'. Thought you were a smart guy. I was standing UP for women. Not all our female military personnel are lesbians. Most are regular US babes fighting and/or serving their country. And even if some of them are gay, I don't have a problem with that. Everyone who takes the oath, picks up a weapon, or does a job in the forwarding of our continued freedom deserves our respect. I'm attaching the picture of those Air Force women one last time as a reminder. misogynistic = hatred of women. Not lesbians specifically. I'm not getting that from Georger's post and eye r 1. A woman, not a lesbian. And I can be a misogynist at times. Lots rather hang out with the boys. Regardless, ummm. I think Georger was making a joke. Joke = oh hell - you look it up.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37405 January 13, 2013 Quote How do you know they aren’t lesbians? What wrong with being a lesbian? Your statement infers that and isn’t polite. You should be polite. Gee another one of those hot shot college boys who calls all women that shoot them down for a date as a lesbian... .. saw a LOT of those Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #37406 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow do you know they aren’t lesbians? What wrong with being a lesbian? Your statement infers that and isn’t polite. You should be polite. You should be sensible and look up the meaning of 'misogynistic'. Thought you were a smart guy. I was standing UP for women. Not all our female military personnel are lesbians. Most are regular US babes fighting and/or serving their country. And even if some of them are gay, I don't have a problem with that. Everyone who takes the oath, picks up a weapon, or does a job in the forwarding of our continued freedom deserves our respect. I'm attaching the picture of those Air Force women one last time as a reminder. misogynistic = hatred of women. Not lesbians specifically. I'm not getting that from Georger's post and eye r 1. A woman, not a lesbian. And I can be a misogynist at times. Lots rather hang out with the boys. Regardless, ummm. I think Georger was making a joke. Joke = oh hell - you look it up. PC gone awry on the DBC thread. Will wonders never cease? Loving God deliver us! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37407 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow do you know they aren’t lesbians? What wrong with being a lesbian? Your statement infers that and isn’t polite. You should be polite. You should be sensible and look up the meaning of 'misogynistic'. Thought you were a smart guy. I was standing UP for women. Not all our female military personnel are lesbians. Most are regular US babes fighting and/or serving their country. And even if some of them are gay, I don't have a problem with that. Everyone who takes the oath, picks up a weapon, or does a job in the forwarding of our continued freedom deserves our respect. I'm attaching the picture of those Air Force women one last time as a reminder. misogynistic = hatred of women. Not lesbians specifically. I'm not getting that from Georger's post and eye r 1. A woman, not a lesbian. And I can be a misogynist at times. Lots rather hang out with the boys. Regardless, ummm. I think Georger was making a joke. Joke = oh hell - you look it up. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGvD5OSkJ_Q Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37408 January 13, 2013 Quote [reply 7Hell Jump pay was only $55 a month or so in the 1970's you had to have 1 jump per quarter... that is why I got so many on our rotation.. MANY of the guys I was stationed with only did their money jump.. and I would take as many of their jumps as I could.. I loved launching myself out over a Huey skid at 1200 feet over water. Just kick back and watch the C-9 inflate over your head. So to receive extra pay (aka jump pay) you had to have one jump per quarter? Is this the same as certification? With the post that I referenced there was also a question asked: Was annual jump certification required back then? I didn't look further for the answer but was assuming, if yes, that would mean there would be paperwork regarding jumping? If, for example, LE wanted more proof that he was at least familiar with parachute. Quote Nope.. you went to jump school.. got your wings... got assigned to a unit with a jump slot in your AFSC( Air Farce) or MOS Army. and maintained your qualification and check my making the required pay jump one a quarter... or be in a unit that required or allowed for more LOL...Okay I walked into that one. I kind of assumed that there might be training and an assignment involved Quote I still have a copy of my official jump folder.. listing every jump I made with extra qualifications like jump master etc. So there might be a jump folder on Kenny somewhere? Okay. So one more question....what all does a jumpmaster do? - I'm assuming at the least have achieved expertise and can now instruct / teach others. Reason I ask...I dated someone one years ago that was in the Vietnam war. He had a tattoo that said "God is my Jumpmaster" (Back when only bikers. rednecks, and guys in the military had tattoos)I got the analogy in the general sense but not really.. I mean I wouldn't have a tattoo saying God is my professor or God is my baseball coach....course those folks also might not have my back in a "bullets-are-flying-jump-or-go-down-with-the-plane" situation so I figure there must be more to it. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37409 January 13, 2013 The jumpmasters job is to make sure all the other jumpers.. leave the aircraft in the right place in an orderly and timely fashionIf Kenny was a jumper.. there had to be a record of it somewhere.. class roster.. or the most important thing.. from FINANCE.. how much he got paid and when. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37410 January 13, 2013 Quote So everyone: take it a step further - if Duane was really the hijacker, would he have said Dan Cooper or DB Cooper? Put yourself in his position. You've used a bunch of aliases, you know the press run with DB. SO on your deathbed confession is it Dan or DB? I just think Duane used what he told the ticket agent. Dan meant something to him and so did Cooper. Why did he choose that name in the first place. At one time I explained why he chose Cooper. Lie down in the FIRE! Duane was fixated on the Mann Gulch fire in Missoula. When we went to WA was NOT the only time Duane mentioned the Mann Gluch fire - it was something personal for him. He told me about the Indians and the prairie fires. He told me about The Gates of the Mountains and those who helped out and those who walked the dead out. Two of the deceased came out of Ca. Navon and Thompson both about Duane's age. I have only tried to piece Duane's life together with the thing he told me and the thing the family told me...no one will ever know who or what Weber was, but I do know some of the things in his life that made him what he became - a criminal and an ex-con and a shame to his family. He was a late life baby with obvious behaviour problems and was child like in his ways even after going to prison. His military record was an embarassment to the family and there was NO work for a boy who failed his country - not even picking apples. It was NOT until the government kicked him out of the Army that he turned to a life of crime. Obviously he did't always get caught he was just not clever enough to say out of jail. Well, if you are on your own and can't get work - he was consider the lowest of lowest and the least employable. He would run errands for the blacks to earn food - or past himself off as indian to get a jobs. He wasn't very good at anything he did. He spent most of his adult life in Prison until 1968 - that is a huge chunk out of a young man's life. He caused his parents great shame and to work at something besides manual labor he had to commit fraud and hide his past. He just kept crawling in deeper and deeper and then when his kidney problem came to surface he thought he would never have a normal life and a good job. He went into deep depression and he became so angry he chased away anyone who tried to help. He had NO escape. He had nothing and no one....and no choices unless he wanted to live on the streets and die that way. I think he made the only choice he thought was feasible. I truely having known Weber for 18 yrs believe he did NOT believe he would survive.... If indeed there was other participants why would they and how could they keep a secret all of these yrs. I heard the story about one such man who died many yrs ago. Now I find this man tried to get amnesty after I went public about Duane....after my 2001 trip to WA. If it was true that the yr was after I went public about Duane - WHY didn't the FBI look at this? Why did the governor NOT grant the man amnesty? Was he only going to admit knowing who Cooper was or was he going to admit to the crime? The Governor obviously didn't see any merit to granting the amnesty for whatever reason or did the FBI actually even attempt to get the amnesty? That is the REAL question. How does ONE get amnesty without giving your real name and how in the hell is this done. First time I ever had to question a law that sounds strange. Amnesty would only be granted if someone had knowledge of a crime - not if they were confessing to it or am I wrong? One of you lawyers out there tell me what the law is - I am not a lawyer. Does anyone remember the sound alike name I have thrown out here for yrs. Neuson Neustel, Knutson, Knutsen, Newstel - I threw lot of variation of the name out because it was a sound alike and I did NOT remember the first name - because Duane did NOT give a first name just the last name. The TV crew in 2001 knew I threw the names out at the Tavern, but we had no luck. I threw the names out here and now I realize someone did post something about this person and I can't find it. I know it is here and I have been looking all night. I still do not know how to do the damn searches. I read the story, but it was at a bad time and no one brought it specifically to my attention. I think the story that went with it did NOT make sense to me and I thought it was just a phoney. It still might be a phoney and some one out there might be playing me....but, until I ulled Spokane out of the basket - the story did NOT hit me. Even now I do NOT know what it means. Hell can anyone be that honest. I don't know what any of the means. It could be a cruel hoax and it could be true. NO one ever told me about TX and the 60's and that is what is kicking around in my mind right now. If it was the 60's the man only knew Duane as JOHN (Johnnie) COLLINS - not Duane L. Weber. What the hell is going on! I have never been as puzzled about anything as I am right now. I believe I have lost my mind entirely!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #37411 January 13, 2013 do you think they were aware John Collins was Duane Weber? you can't knowingly go to prison under an alias...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37412 January 13, 2013 Quote Quote Smokin99 says in part: ***'So there might be a jump folder on Kenny somewhere?...' Yes, there just might. But I'm not telling you where to find it. 1. What makes you think I want to find it? 2. As I said in my post, this would be helpful "If, for example, LE wanted more proof that he was at least familiar with parachute." 3. But if I wanted to, I bet I could find it. 4. Plus, God is a guy I dated once's jumpmaster. I have an in. You might want to watch your step little man. LOL...i swear 377, I'm really trying to be nice to him, but he makes it so hard. Such a DB kind of guy.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37413 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuoteQuote So everyone: take it a step further - if Duane was really the hijacker, would he have said Dan Cooper or DB Cooper? Put yourself in his position. You've used a bunch of aliases, you know the press run with DB. SO on your deathbed confession is it Dan or DB? Thanks Jo.. I'm putting down now to see if anyone else wants to take a crack at it.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37414 January 13, 2013 Quote Jo why don't you make it easier on yourself and everyone else and just say whatever it is that the person told you. Sometimes context allows others to make sense of what someone is trying to tell you. Your Co could be multnomah county, oregon, sonoma county, Ca. Context might help. I really really heard noma perhaps the so I didn't hear. I kept asking him to repeat things, but I wasn't getting it. I thought he was talking about WA and not Oregon. IT was very very confusing to me - too much at one time and too much that was the same as a similar story I had been told and discounted. I still do not grasp what the person was trying to say.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37415 January 13, 2013 Quotedo you think they were aware John Collins was Duane Weber? you can't knowingly go to prison under an alias.... IF they CHECKED the finger PRINTS like CARR boasted in the thread - then they would KNOW he was WEBER? THis is what I questioned with CARR - is that the system was not in full force at that time but, he claimed it was. Some one else claimed the print system was NOT fully functional until a much later date than 1968 and I have heard in the mid to late 70's there were still gliches and some were NEVER put into the system. Too OLD! They did it on a priority - OLDER criminals and older crimes LAST. With the input systems available in the 60's and 70's and into the 80's the process was SLOW!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #37416 January 13, 2013 Did you notice... we have surpassed 40,000 posts in this thread... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #37417 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuotedo you think they were aware John Collins was Duane Weber? you can't knowingly go to prison under an alias.... IF they CHECKED the finger PRINTS like CARR boasted in the thread - then they would KNOW he was WEBER? THis is what I questioned with CARR - is that the system was not in full force at that time but, he claimed it was. the way I see this is if they were aware Collins was Weber, he would have Duane Weber aka John Collins on his commutation certificate. I think Carr is speaking about the FBI checking the prints of Duane's alias names, not what Jefferson prison or Courts did. If the prison didn't know he was Weber and didn't have a criminal background, this gives more merit of a early release. the prisoner is the one who files the documents for release, or his Lawyer."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37418 January 13, 2013 I am going to bed - think I will take a sleeping pill - I am going to need it tonight. I just do NOT know where the hell this is all going. I do feel that the DZ and others are on to something (I just love borrowing Florence Schaffener's expression). It could be an elaborate hoax - as there have been plenty of those over the yrs - at least the 18 yrs I have been at this. NO ONE knows how many hours I have been at this today - totally exhausted - too exhausted to sleep - too wound up! Goodnight!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smokin99 0 #37419 January 13, 2013 Quote Women are a lot smarter than you think. LOL....Say what? Seriously? And you thought what Georger said was offensive. Actually, you are wrong yet again. The more accurate sentence structure would be: Women are a lot smarter than you. Think! D.A. Jim Trotter: Now, uh, Ms. Vito, being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me... what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor? Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question. D.A. Jim Trotter: Does that mean that you can't answer it? Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question, it's impossible to answer. D.A. Jim Trotter: Impossible because you don't know the answer! Mona Lisa Vito: Nobody could answer that question! D.A. Jim Trotter: Your Honor, I move to disqualify Ms. Vito as a "expert witness"! Judge Chamberlain Haller: Can you answer the question? Mona Lisa Vito: No, it is a trick question! Judge Chamberlain Haller: Why is it a trick question? Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. D.A. Jim Trotter: Well... um... she's acceptable, Your Honor.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #37420 January 13, 2013 Jo wroteQuoteWhat is a riggers field or shield? Is this something on the rig or a type of rig? I DON"T recall anything like this being mentioned by the FBI as to why Cooper selected the chute he did. What is this? I think you mean a riggers seal. It's a lead seal crimped onto thread and the crimping tool embosses a symbol unique to that rigger onto the lead. The purpose is to show that a rigger has packed a chute and that it hasn't been tampered with. If the rip cord pins are pulled the thread breaks. Intact thread loop with a seal means nobody has opened the rig since the seal was applied. "Pingers" (military rescue beacons) operate on 243.0 MHz and transmit a swept tone. Common ones from the Norjack era that were used in ejection systems include the URT 21. They are about the size of two cig packs, one on top of the other. QuoteTitle : AN/URT-21 LOCATOR BEACON JUMP TEST AND RECEPTION DISTANCES, Corporate Author : ARCTIC AEROMEDICAL LAB FORT WAINWRIGHT ALASKA Personal Author(s) : Schumann,John R. ; Millard,Walter W. Report Date : JAN 1966 Pagination or Media Count : 24 Abstract : The AN/URT-21 Locator Beacon and riser antenna were installed in several different locations in the B-5 Back Style and AP28S-10 parachutes. Live and dummy drop tests were conducted at altitudes of 1500 to 5000 feet in temperatures of -5F to 29F. Monitoring stations at a distance of 2 to 28 miles from the drop zones reported signals heard from time of parachute deployment until ground contact was made. Air-crew members wore the back style parachute with the beacon installed between the pack tray and back cushion. A study of their subjective evaluation of the comfort of this parachute was conducted in F-102, B-47 and KC-135 aircraft. After simulating ejection procedures and flying duties, aircrew members reported very minor or no discomfort and no interference with flying duties. It is recommended that beacons be installed between the pack tray and back pad, that the beacon activating button be made of rubberized material, and that the activating cord be tied on the riser. (Author) Descriptors : RESCUE BEACONS, RADIO BEACONS, RANGE(DISTANCE). Subject Categories : Escape, Rescue and Survival Radio Communications Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37421 January 13, 2013 Quote I think Carr is speaking about the FBI checking the prints of Duane's alias names, not what Jefferson prison or Courts did. If the prison didn't know he was Weber and didn't have a criminal background, this gives more merit of a early release. the prisoner is the one who files the documents for release, or his Lawyer. That is NOT what Carr's arrogant statements indicated. He was adamanate the FINGERPRINTS had been checked against the system - a system I argued was not completely inforce in 1968....he just did NOT get it. He refused to GET it! He kept SAYING the FBI used the McNeil file prints - prints that were supposedly cross checked with Jefferson. Yet, in 2000 the FBI agent of record was unaware of the McNeil file and claimed Weber was NEVER in McNeil. NOW do you get it? THE only thing that got thru was the photo copy of the ACTUAL commutation - he kept referring to what was currently in 2008 on the system - not what was. Paper I trust. FBI agents I do NOT trust.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #37422 January 13, 2013 QuoteMona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. ... With the vacuum advance diaphragm on the distributor disconnected from the vacuum line. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37423 January 13, 2013 QuoteJo wroteQuoteWhat is a riggers field or shield? Is this something on the rig or a type of rig? I DON"T recall anything like this being mentioned by the FBI as to why Cooper selected the chute he did. What is this? I think you mean a riggers seal. It's a lead seal crimped onto thread and the crimping tool embosses a symbol unique to that rigger onto the lead. The purpose is to show that a rigger has packed a chute and that it hasn't been tampered with. If the rip cord pins are pulled the thread breaks. Intact thread loop with a seal means nobody has opened the rig since the seal was applied. "Pingers" (military rescue beacons) operate on 243.0 MHz and transmit a swept tone. Common ones from the Norjack era that were used in ejection systems include the URT 21. They are about the size of two cig packs, one on top of the other. 377 Now do you understand the difficulty I had understanding this man. 377, I do not know how you do it - and yes, I think that is what the man was trying to say. Rigger's Seal. How come they have not been discussed here before or have they?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smokin99 0 #37424 January 13, 2013 Quote Quote ***Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. ... With the vacuum advance diaphragm on the distributor disconnected from the vacuum line. 377 Of course. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #37425 January 13, 2013 Yep Amazon - 40,000 posts are a lot of posts on ONE subject. It has been a long hard road, but I do believe we are seeing the end of the trail now. At least that is my opinion because of what has been happening. Just like everything else I have followed it will fall apart. What I do NOT understand if it is not hoax and the talk about the Governor of WA turning down an ammesty plea to end this - who does that make Look BAD? Means the STATE of WA spent a lot of money to keep the lid on Cooper and to promote the story! If an ammesty plea could have solved the case WHY! If the man was claiming to be Cooper I understand he may have been too short...and I have no information on this. Of course the state had NO idea what the man's pleas was going to be...if it was as an accessory that is one thing, but to being Cooper might be what kicked the plea out. The plea made have been about the man's involvement - not that he was Cooper. Perhaps the family since his death has made it sound that way - but, what would be the reason for that - money, a movie, whatever. The truth is the only thing that will ever survive and I do know I tried to find this person and have tried for yrs and yrs and yrs. No one knew who I was talking about and I didn't have the damn name spelled right and no first name. I could never remember exactly what Duane said. When I was in WA in 2001 the crew and I enquired of the Tavern guys. This man was suggested to me some time ago and the name sounded close, but since the rumor was the man claimed to be Cooper - I kicked it him out of my bed so to speak. Will we ever know exactly what his plea was going to be? Now even the attorney has died as I have been told. Only one person left to carry the torch and he is an old cogger - perhaps why he really needed for me to listen to him....perhaps the link I have looked for all of these yrs. Hell, I was going to bed hours ago and I am still at it. 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skyjack71 0 #37414 January 13, 2013 Quote Jo why don't you make it easier on yourself and everyone else and just say whatever it is that the person told you. Sometimes context allows others to make sense of what someone is trying to tell you. Your Co could be multnomah county, oregon, sonoma county, Ca. Context might help. I really really heard noma perhaps the so I didn't hear. I kept asking him to repeat things, but I wasn't getting it. I thought he was talking about WA and not Oregon. IT was very very confusing to me - too much at one time and too much that was the same as a similar story I had been told and discounted. I still do not grasp what the person was trying to say.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37415 January 13, 2013 Quotedo you think they were aware John Collins was Duane Weber? you can't knowingly go to prison under an alias.... IF they CHECKED the finger PRINTS like CARR boasted in the thread - then they would KNOW he was WEBER? THis is what I questioned with CARR - is that the system was not in full force at that time but, he claimed it was. Some one else claimed the print system was NOT fully functional until a much later date than 1968 and I have heard in the mid to late 70's there were still gliches and some were NEVER put into the system. Too OLD! They did it on a priority - OLDER criminals and older crimes LAST. With the input systems available in the 60's and 70's and into the 80's the process was SLOW!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37416 January 13, 2013 Did you notice... we have surpassed 40,000 posts in this thread... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #37417 January 13, 2013 QuoteQuotedo you think they were aware John Collins was Duane Weber? you can't knowingly go to prison under an alias.... IF they CHECKED the finger PRINTS like CARR boasted in the thread - then they would KNOW he was WEBER? THis is what I questioned with CARR - is that the system was not in full force at that time but, he claimed it was. the way I see this is if they were aware Collins was Weber, he would have Duane Weber aka John Collins on his commutation certificate. I think Carr is speaking about the FBI checking the prints of Duane's alias names, not what Jefferson prison or Courts did. If the prison didn't know he was Weber and didn't have a criminal background, this gives more merit of a early release. the prisoner is the one who files the documents for release, or his Lawyer."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37418 January 13, 2013 I am going to bed - think I will take a sleeping pill - I am going to need it tonight. I just do NOT know where the hell this is all going. I do feel that the DZ and others are on to something (I just love borrowing Florence Schaffener's expression). It could be an elaborate hoax - as there have been plenty of those over the yrs - at least the 18 yrs I have been at this. NO ONE knows how many hours I have been at this today - totally exhausted - too exhausted to sleep - too wound up! Goodnight!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37419 January 13, 2013 Quote Women are a lot smarter than you think. LOL....Say what? Seriously? And you thought what Georger said was offensive. Actually, you are wrong yet again. The more accurate sentence structure would be: Women are a lot smarter than you. Think! D.A. Jim Trotter: Now, uh, Ms. Vito, being an expert on general automotive knowledge, can you tell me... what would the correct ignition timing be on a 1955 Bel Air Chevrolet, with a 327 cubic-inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor? Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question. D.A. Jim Trotter: Does that mean that you can't answer it? Mona Lisa Vito: It's a bullshit question, it's impossible to answer. D.A. Jim Trotter: Impossible because you don't know the answer! Mona Lisa Vito: Nobody could answer that question! D.A. Jim Trotter: Your Honor, I move to disqualify Ms. Vito as a "expert witness"! Judge Chamberlain Haller: Can you answer the question? Mona Lisa Vito: No, it is a trick question! Judge Chamberlain Haller: Why is it a trick question? Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. D.A. Jim Trotter: Well... um... she's acceptable, Your Honor.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #37420 January 13, 2013 Jo wroteQuoteWhat is a riggers field or shield? Is this something on the rig or a type of rig? I DON"T recall anything like this being mentioned by the FBI as to why Cooper selected the chute he did. What is this? I think you mean a riggers seal. It's a lead seal crimped onto thread and the crimping tool embosses a symbol unique to that rigger onto the lead. The purpose is to show that a rigger has packed a chute and that it hasn't been tampered with. If the rip cord pins are pulled the thread breaks. Intact thread loop with a seal means nobody has opened the rig since the seal was applied. "Pingers" (military rescue beacons) operate on 243.0 MHz and transmit a swept tone. Common ones from the Norjack era that were used in ejection systems include the URT 21. They are about the size of two cig packs, one on top of the other. QuoteTitle : AN/URT-21 LOCATOR BEACON JUMP TEST AND RECEPTION DISTANCES, Corporate Author : ARCTIC AEROMEDICAL LAB FORT WAINWRIGHT ALASKA Personal Author(s) : Schumann,John R. ; Millard,Walter W. Report Date : JAN 1966 Pagination or Media Count : 24 Abstract : The AN/URT-21 Locator Beacon and riser antenna were installed in several different locations in the B-5 Back Style and AP28S-10 parachutes. Live and dummy drop tests were conducted at altitudes of 1500 to 5000 feet in temperatures of -5F to 29F. Monitoring stations at a distance of 2 to 28 miles from the drop zones reported signals heard from time of parachute deployment until ground contact was made. Air-crew members wore the back style parachute with the beacon installed between the pack tray and back cushion. A study of their subjective evaluation of the comfort of this parachute was conducted in F-102, B-47 and KC-135 aircraft. After simulating ejection procedures and flying duties, aircrew members reported very minor or no discomfort and no interference with flying duties. It is recommended that beacons be installed between the pack tray and back pad, that the beacon activating button be made of rubberized material, and that the activating cord be tied on the riser. (Author) Descriptors : RESCUE BEACONS, RADIO BEACONS, RANGE(DISTANCE). Subject Categories : Escape, Rescue and Survival Radio Communications Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37421 January 13, 2013 Quote I think Carr is speaking about the FBI checking the prints of Duane's alias names, not what Jefferson prison or Courts did. If the prison didn't know he was Weber and didn't have a criminal background, this gives more merit of a early release. the prisoner is the one who files the documents for release, or his Lawyer. That is NOT what Carr's arrogant statements indicated. He was adamanate the FINGERPRINTS had been checked against the system - a system I argued was not completely inforce in 1968....he just did NOT get it. He refused to GET it! He kept SAYING the FBI used the McNeil file prints - prints that were supposedly cross checked with Jefferson. Yet, in 2000 the FBI agent of record was unaware of the McNeil file and claimed Weber was NEVER in McNeil. NOW do you get it? THE only thing that got thru was the photo copy of the ACTUAL commutation - he kept referring to what was currently in 2008 on the system - not what was. Paper I trust. FBI agents I do NOT trust.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #37422 January 13, 2013 QuoteMona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. ... With the vacuum advance diaphragm on the distributor disconnected from the vacuum line. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37423 January 13, 2013 QuoteJo wroteQuoteWhat is a riggers field or shield? Is this something on the rig or a type of rig? I DON"T recall anything like this being mentioned by the FBI as to why Cooper selected the chute he did. What is this? I think you mean a riggers seal. It's a lead seal crimped onto thread and the crimping tool embosses a symbol unique to that rigger onto the lead. The purpose is to show that a rigger has packed a chute and that it hasn't been tampered with. If the rip cord pins are pulled the thread breaks. Intact thread loop with a seal means nobody has opened the rig since the seal was applied. "Pingers" (military rescue beacons) operate on 243.0 MHz and transmit a swept tone. Common ones from the Norjack era that were used in ejection systems include the URT 21. They are about the size of two cig packs, one on top of the other. 377 Now do you understand the difficulty I had understanding this man. 377, I do not know how you do it - and yes, I think that is what the man was trying to say. Rigger's Seal. How come they have not been discussed here before or have they?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #37424 January 13, 2013 Quote Quote ***Mona Lisa Vito: 'Cause Chevy didn't make a 327 in '55, the 327 didn't come out till '62. And it wasn't offered in the Bel Air with a four-barrel carb till '64. However, in 1964, the correct ignition timing would be four degrees before top-dead-center. ... With the vacuum advance diaphragm on the distributor disconnected from the vacuum line. 377 Of course. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #37425 January 13, 2013 Yep Amazon - 40,000 posts are a lot of posts on ONE subject. It has been a long hard road, but I do believe we are seeing the end of the trail now. At least that is my opinion because of what has been happening. Just like everything else I have followed it will fall apart. What I do NOT understand if it is not hoax and the talk about the Governor of WA turning down an ammesty plea to end this - who does that make Look BAD? Means the STATE of WA spent a lot of money to keep the lid on Cooper and to promote the story! If an ammesty plea could have solved the case WHY! If the man was claiming to be Cooper I understand he may have been too short...and I have no information on this. Of course the state had NO idea what the man's pleas was going to be...if it was as an accessory that is one thing, but to being Cooper might be what kicked the plea out. The plea made have been about the man's involvement - not that he was Cooper. Perhaps the family since his death has made it sound that way - but, what would be the reason for that - money, a movie, whatever. The truth is the only thing that will ever survive and I do know I tried to find this person and have tried for yrs and yrs and yrs. No one knew who I was talking about and I didn't have the damn name spelled right and no first name. I could never remember exactly what Duane said. When I was in WA in 2001 the crew and I enquired of the Tavern guys. This man was suggested to me some time ago and the name sounded close, but since the rumor was the man claimed to be Cooper - I kicked it him out of my bed so to speak. Will we ever know exactly what his plea was going to be? Now even the attorney has died as I have been told. Only one person left to carry the torch and he is an old cogger - perhaps why he really needed for me to listen to him....perhaps the link I have looked for all of these yrs. Hell, I was going to bed hours ago and I am still at it. GOOD NIGHT - for the 2ed or 3rd or 4th time tonight.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
