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I need to know if there was ever a shed on the river side along the tree line and on the beach side of the fence. Need to find out if there are any pictures of a shed ever being there at anytime between 1950 and 1978.
This is important!
Jo, Take a look at the aerial pictures on Sluggo's web page which were made of Tena Bar in the 1970s.
Robert99
Robert - DO YOU know how many time people have sent me to aerials - I can NOT make any sense out of them! I need ground pics. I did not know he had any of 1970's and I have a hard time downloading big files - remember I only have dial up and constantly loose the connection. Loose it about every 10 minutes.
I need to see it the way I saw it and I am not a BIRD!
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P.S. I WAS NEVER ABLE TO DOWN LOAD ANY OF THE PHOTOS ON SLUGGO'S SITE. ALL I GOT WAS A BOX WITH AN X IN IT! He was aware of this.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteQuoteJo,
The money wouldn't have fanned out if it stayed in the bag for most of those 8 years. Having stayed in the bag might explain why the bills showed wear and tear yet somehow remained intact and in close proximity to one ether -- rubber bands and all.
MeyerLouie
If the money ripped away from a bag after 8 yrs in the water the bundles would have torn apart. No rubber band would have survived being under water for 8 yrs.
Sure about that? I'm not. If the bills were tightly packed together, bundles inside of bundles, then those interior bundles, and their rubber bands, may have experienced only minimal exposure to possible damage caused by water submersion. I've pulled stuff out of water I thought surely would be damaged from prolonged submersion in water -- only to find that hardly any water damage occurred -- because of a good, "water tight" wrap. But then again, I didn't observe the state of affairs after 8 years ... I'm just thinking out loud now. Let's continue to explore.
So, just maybe -- DBC had a durable, canvas-type bag or equivalent. He very tightly secured the money bag with the parachute chord. Then the bag ended up in the River for a long period of time. It seems possible the interior bundles (protected by the exterior bundles) may have held up quite well and weathered the water submersion quite well, maybe even better than we think. For how long? Well that's a good question. Anybody got a spare 8+ years to check it out.
On another note: To say money packets floated downriver in a paper bag, then ended up in a nice pile at Tena's Bar -- well, I'm saying that's not only very unlikely, that's a virtual impossibility. The paper bag would have disintegrated rather quickly, and even if the packets stayed together (what are the chances of that?) as they floated downriver, it seems to me there just isn't enough elapsed time and river to cause the bills to end up in the tattered and worn condition they were found to be in at T-Bar.
MeyerLouie
QuoteI keep getting asked if I'm sure that DB Cooper jumped from the plane. I'm not sure, but I addressed the issue this evening.
Here's what I've come up with:
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Is it possible that DB Cooper didn’t jump? Did he simply crawl into a space above the lavatory or burrow his way into the cargo hold, wrap himself in a parachute and re-appear after all the commotion, or as part of the commotion dressed as a worker or FBI agent?
Maybe.
But let's walk through the scenario.
First, there is no concrete evidence to support this hypothesis, but let's not stop because of that.
Two, exactly where did he stash himself? How big was the spot? How did he get there? How did he pull the panels back into place and re-secure them?
Three: His getaway would still be problematic. At Reno, the place was filled with cops and FBI - at least two hundred LE - and then a ton o' media, so the chaos was great, lending some credence to the notion that Cooper could have blended into the mix and slithered away.
But:
It was 11 pm when the plane landed at Reno and presumably the airport was pretty quiet in terms of regular passengers, and one would hope that effective crowd control measures for the LE-media throng were in place. Were there effective screenings of all the police from different jurisdictions? The FBI agents who were first on the plane and conducted the primary evidence retrieval were from Las Vegas and landed at the Reno airport just minutes before 305 touched down.
Further, did cops check press passes in and out? How about maintenance workers and other airport support personnel?
Then, if DBC sneaked out, then how did he get away from the airport? It's unlikely that he rented a car. Take a bus? Was he picked up by an accomplice? Where was the accomplice hiding until Cooper appeared?
Or:
Did Cooper stay on the plane until it went to its next destination, which is unclear and no definitive statement about the immediate disposition of the airplane is publicly known that I am aware of, but it thought to be either Boeing Field for repairs, or Quantico, VA and FBI HQ for more forensics. How did he deal with the cold and de-pressurization issues? Now the walk-away scenario gets more dicey the longer he stays with the plane.
And:
If Cooper walked away somewhere did he take any money with him? In what? How about the rest of the evidence? Did Cooper take that, too? If not, did he leave it on the plane in his hidey-hole? Was it ever discovered? If not, why not? How big is the cover-up, then? How come the bomb-sniffing dogs never discovered Cooper or the bombs? Was it because the bombs were road flares and thus there wasn’t any explosive chemical to detect? Or Cooper lay-weighed their nostrils by filling the Styrofoam containers that he left on the front seats for the pilots' dinners with tacos and hot sauce that the canines ate when they got on the plane and afterwards couldn't smell anything? Etc.....
Plus, where did Cooper stash his coveralls (and work coat as it was 30 degrees F and rainy in Reno) when he first got on the plane? Did Cooper also disguise himself? Wig? Moustache?
But there is an Out-of-the-Box idea. It’s the same concept, only reversed:
Did DB Cooper start his day in Washington, DC and front-load the skyjacking on the East Coast? Did he board Flight 305 in one of the first stops, bring a ton of gear on board and stash it in the over-head compartments? Then he got off at its next stop, Pittsburg or Chicago I think, and take a direct flight to Portland, arriving well before 305 as it had to make several stops and get a new crew in Minneapolis. Then, in PDX Cooper re-boarded 305 knowing that all the stuff he needed was already in place, and even better, his arrival at Portland had been undetected.
So, as a result, Cooper had lots of warm clothes, the exact parachute and reserve he wanted free of detection devices and sabotage, radio gear for his ground crew and a thermos of hot coffee. Skyjack anyone?
Bruce,
You've opened up a whole new really big can of worms here. I often think about this possibility, and I always ask: How creative and resourceful was DBC and how thorough was the search and processing of the crime scene? You bring up nuggets in this post.
It makes me wonder what he was really doing in the restroom for all that time. Maybe he hid under the toilet. That's the last place I'd look. Moreover, I'm getting a strong feeling here (and this time it isn't gas -- pun intended) he may have put all that knowledge of that particular Boeing aircraft to lots of good use. He knew about deploying the aft stairs in flight -- knowledge that the flight crew didn't even have. What other knowledge or surprises did he have?
You got me thinking Bruce -- it's a totally different angle -- it's fun to consider the possibilities.
MeyerLouie
QuoteQuoteHowever, I think you should stop comparing me to Bob Knoss. The guy is certifiable.
What goes around comes around!
Knoss is CERTIFIABLE!
Blevin is FLAPPING like a FISH out of WATER!
JT can only throw STONES!
Smoking and Georger - are ON TO SOMETHING!
377 & Meyer are fishing!
Jo - Well is she a CERTIFIABLE story teller or liar?
The money tells Cooper's Story!
Gray Crawled into a hole and set up the tomato cans!
One need not ask WHY!
To be put in the same category as 377 is a true compliment. Thank you Jo.
NO chance catching fish if you don't go fishing. Weren't most of the disciples fishermen? Jesus made them fishers of men, I believe. I could go on and on, but I'd better quit while I'm ahead.
MeyerLouie
QuoteQuoteQuote" I have briefly reviewed the Palmer report"
wasn't the "Palmer Report" classified? how did you read it?
Truth is, I can't remember if someone sent it to me, or if I found it on a search. I think it was sent to me. There are two main computers in this office, and a laptop. Also, one other computer which was taken off-line about a year ago and sits in the closet. That one is where all the Cooper files resided, although I transferred a great deal of them using a 16gb flash drive.
Did a search on the main computer, the one I'm using now. No results. I guess I will have to take a look on all of them...what fun.
You might want to check with Bruce Smith. He says in one of his articles that the FBI released him a copy. I only looked at the copy I had one time and then filed it away. Didn't understand a lot of it, but then I'm not a geologist, either.
Exactly where did YOU pull up such a story! ANYONE who knows about the Palmer report (if you could call it a report) knows it is NOT technical.
The FBI did NOT released a report to Bruce.
Cook claimed to have a copy of this so called report! I expect Georger is also privey to it!
This is the very thing U have done since get go - U create stories and myths. U cannot say anything without changing the context of information as it came to U.
THIS is EXACTLY what U did with those poor women and BLESS the guy for trying to stand up against U. U twist and twist and repeated until they were brain washed. ONE tried to remorse, but U just shunned her! Senior Abuse!
So, Blevins, where did you see and "review briefly" the Palmer report? You know that's a classified document, don't you? If you read Jo's note to you here in this post, isn't that what she's trying to tell you? Grab a clue, big guy. They call me 'big guy' too, but I tell 'em it's just a rumor.
MeyerLouie
MeyerLouie
mrshutter45 21
"You've opened up a whole new really big can of worms here. I often think about this possibility, and I always ask: How creative and resourceful was DBC and how thorough was the search and processing of the crime scene? You bring up nuggets in this post. "
I have often wondered this myself, he was dressed as a non-jumper.
he either took everything with him, or he threw the chutes out the
back because the chutes were not found when they dismantled the
plane? one would think he would of left excess baggage?
I would guess he would have been on the manufacturing line in order
to have this type of information in dismantling the floor.
I have often wondered this myself, he was dressed as a non-jumper.
he either took everything with him, or he threw the chutes out the
back because the chutes were not found when they dismantled the
plane? one would think he would of left excess baggage?
I would guess he would have been on the manufacturing line in order
to have this type of information in dismantling the floor.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteJo, Would Duane be cited today if he threw trash into the Columbia River?
Robert99
I know a guy who was charged with a federal FELONY for using a backhoe to pull some old car wrecks out of a blocked salmon spawing tributary of the Idaho River that was on his property.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Jo, who are the VIPs to whom you are now beholden?
Why do you think they have ordered you to post in boldfaced RED?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
None for me other than something about a shed. I knew I had been there and Duane mentioned a box one could put money in at the entrance..
I didn't know the name of the place, but I told the FBI about it!
Remember when I told Himmelsbach my story - I had only read ONE book - a mostly fictional book by Max Gunther! I thought he was informing the FBI about our conversations.
The money find explained the places Duane took me. his little side trip alone while in The Dalles and his actions after the money surfaced in 1980 made sense....
Below is speculation on my part in 1996, but what I actually thought about all of this after I found out who Dan Cooper and my knowledge the money find occured only about 6 months after we had made those strange side trip in WA/OR in 1979.
I read Himmelsbachs book and this is where I learned about the condition of the money. It was a GUT feeling that when he went to see "an OLD friend in The Dalles area" or within a drive range too and from of 5 1/2 hours - it was actually a trip to retrive the money from its hiding place.
His comment about being soiled when he returned to the hotel was that the "lady" he went to see's husband had died and she asked him to move somethings in a shed....Who asks a quest to move some stuff ? He mentioned a leak and rotten wood. Sort of sounds like he might have buried the money beneath a shed floor.
This was all discussed with Himmelsbach in 1996 - 1999, and I waited patiently because I thought the FBI was actually still investigating and Mr. H. was telling the FBI everything I talked about - HOW naive I was!
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