DB Cooper

[georger 244]

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Yeah. Why waste time talking about that Blevins guy. He's a frickin' bore anyway... I know cause I met him once. B-O-R-I-N-G, all caps.

Your name wasn't even mentioned, BIGSHOT!

Why?

Because he's constantly in our faces ... just like your
'comeback' to my post to Air and 377... now.

Maybe you should mind your own business for a
change if you have any business ?

Why do you feel this need to comment and expand
and clarify everybody's everything all the time?

Mind your own business for a change if you have any!



ps: Here BIGSHOT! Comment on this!

http://www.selectscience.net/product-news/Integrated-DNA-Technologies-Inc/IDT-and-SGI-DNA-Broaden-Their-Collaboration-to-Provide-Synthetic-DNA-Products-up-to-2-Mbp/?&artID=27697

Do you think this will have ramifications for Next-Gen
splicing and genetic testing at Quantico, which could
have ramifications for testing in the DB Cooper case! ?

Your expert opinion is being asked for!

"Wager-earner sheeple" which includes me wanna
know!

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The venom against Blevins seems to come primarily (but not exclusively) from non jumpers. Why is that Airtwardo? Are we jumpers just more tolerant?

377

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Dunno - I'm just a n00b compared to you & Guru, but I kinda figure jumpers tend to put more stock in action than words, we listen but are skeptical without proof across the board...if we tried to argue with every line of ego-fuel bullshit we encounter we'd get nothing done - so we just smile.


That and we tend to see people in the rawest extremes of emotion - that reinforces the premise we're all more alike than different in the 'big picture' so we're more tolerant, knowing eventually the bell tolls for thee

I have a shorter answer to the problem.. throw all the damn non jumpers out of the plane.... let them see just how much bullshit they have brought to the party.( that also pertains to dope ropers as well)

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With all the talk about Victor air routes this has a tiny relevance. It's an amazing video shot from an F18 cockpit.

http://biggeekdad.com/2012/09/f-18-low-level-flying-vr-1251/

Recognize any of the terrain Amazon or Blevins?

377

Nope.. good IFR skillz though

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The venom against Blevins seems to come primarily (but not exclusively) from non jumpers. Why is that Airtwardo? Are we jumpers just more tolerant?

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Dunno - I'm just a n00b compared to you & Guru, but I kinda figure jumpers tend to put more stock in action than words, we listen but are skeptical without proof across the board...if we tried to argue with every line of ego-fuel bullshit we encounter we'd get nothing done - so we just smile.


That and we tend to see people in the rawest extremes of emotion - that reinforces the premise we're all more alike than different in the 'big picture' so we're more tolerant, knowing eventually the bell tolls for thee

Why do you and 377 continue to 'poke the dog' and
incite people?

Got anything on the Cooper case, for a change?

You keep 'talking' about 'responsibility for actions';
and I for one have yet to see you or 377 define just
what "actions" and "responsibilities" you are talking
about!

Maybe there would be more "glory" in this for you and
377 if you hatched something concrete for a change
beyond: "he backed down the stairs" ?

Something concrete like: "He walked up the stairs to
get into the plane" ?

Or, "Tests show the Cooper money was only exposed
to the atmosphere for three weeks between 11-24-71
and 2-11-1980" ?

Or, "Tosaw and his salvage consultants identified only
five places where Cooper and his loot could have been
tied up on the bottom, between mile markers BBB and
ZZZ, which means Cooper loot might have had to
enter the Columbia to arrive at Tina Bar between mile
markers 666 and 999 ..." ?

Carry on Skippy, you've made my point FOR me!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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The idea that Cooper may have backed down the stairs is pretty small potatoes in the Cooper Saga.

Simple version: Cooper hits lever for stairs. The stairs only drop 24-36 inches. They may even be moving up and down in flight. (Rataczak statement from the Chronicle article) Cooper has parachute and other load going. Leaning over that far, or crawling forward through opening could be fatal. Maybe turning around and backing down is best/safest option.

It's no big deal one way or another. Just sounded logical, I guess.

Blevins, Please note that if the stairs drop 2 or 3 feet under their own weight, then they will drop several more feet as Cooper descends the stairs. It doesn't make any difference if he faces forward, backwards, walks on his hands, or whatever.

So there is no way Cooper is going out through a small opening between the stairs and tail cone. And once Cooper's weight is off those stairs, they are going to eventually go back to 2 or 3 feet after slamming into their closed position if they are opened into the airstream sufficiently for the dynamics to do that.

Robert99

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The idea that Cooper may have backed down the stairs is pretty small potatoes in the Cooper Saga.

Simple version: Cooper hits lever for stairs. The stairs only drop 24-36 inches. They may even be moving up and down in flight. (Rataczak statement from the Chronicle article) Cooper has parachute and other load going. Leaning over that far, or crawling forward through opening could be fatal. Maybe turning around and backing down is best/safest option.

It's no big deal one way or another. Just sounded logical, I guess.

Blevins, Please note that if the stairs drop 2 or 3 feet under their own weight, then they will drop several more feet as Cooper descends the stairs. It doesn't make any difference if he faces forward, backwards, walks on his hands, or whatever.

So there is no way Cooper is going out through a small opening between the stairs and tail cone. And once Cooper's weight is off those stairs, they are going to eventually go back to 2 or 3 feet after slamming into their closed position if they are opened into the airstream sufficiently for the dynamics to do that.

Robert99

IT WAS BACKWARDS! GET WITH THE PROGRAM AND
COME ON IN FOR THE BIG WIN!

YOU MUST LEARN TO CONFORM WITH MEDIOCRITY
TO GET ALONG!

THEY WANT IT THEIR WAY!

ITS THEIR WEBSITE.

THEY DID IT THEIR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

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The idea that Cooper may have backed down the stairs is pretty small potatoes in the Cooper Saga.

Simple version: Cooper hits lever for stairs. The stairs only drop 24-36 inches. They may even be moving up and down in flight. (Rataczak statement from the Chronicle article) Cooper has parachute and other load going. Leaning over that far, or crawling forward through opening could be fatal. Maybe turning around and backing down is best/safest option.

It's no big deal one way or another. Just sounded logical, I guess.

Blevins, Please note that if the stairs drop 2 or 3 feet under their own weight, then they will drop several more feet as Cooper descends the stairs. It doesn't make any difference if he faces forward, backwards, walks on his hands, or whatever.

So there is no way Cooper is going out through a small opening between the stairs and tail cone. And once Cooper's weight is off those stairs, they are going to eventually go back to 2 or 3 feet after slamming into their closed position if they are opened into the airstream sufficiently for the dynamics to do that.

Robert99

IT WAS BACKWARDS! GET WITH THE PROGRAM AND
COME ON IN FOR THE BIG WIN!

YOU MUST LEARN TO CONFORM WITH MEDIOCRITY
TO GET ALONG!

THEY WANT IT THEIR WAY!

ITS THEIR WEBSITE.

THEY DID IT THEIR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Sorry, but I am a very slow learner and need patience and understanding on these complex problems.

Robert99

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I just read 6 repetitions of one paragraph Blevins wrote. I have heard this same thing before and he just keeps on and on and on. Repetition to the point of regurgitaion! Repeating it makes it true - or overcome anyone's disbelief! That is how he functions regarding Cooper.

I feel too badly tonight to post and there will be less as time goes on. If any of U ever meet Blevins when all of this is over and I am NOT around to do it.
Please order a drink and throw it into his face for me. Also get a bucket of Ice with water and dump that over his head!

As for JT - I would rather the drink be urine and the bucket be filled with vomit or animal feces.

Really feeling very badly and my opinions and how I feel about certain Cooper individuals will NOT be held back! Keep hoping everyday it will be a better day than yesterday - but, that is not how it is going right now.

Got to GO! Never felt so sick in my life! By!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

Said to Robert99-

IT WAS BACKWARDS! GET WITH THE PROGRAM AND
COME ON IN FOR THE BIG WIN!

YOU MUST LEARN TO CONFORM WITH MEDIOCRITY
TO GET ALONG!

THEY WANT IT THEIR WAY!

ITS THEIR WEBSITE.

THEY DID IT THEIR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

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Okay, Georger. I get it. The all-caps was kind of a hint. Just another example of you constantly going to personalities, or personal issues. I suggest you come up for air occasionally. Your 'Blevins' thing is becoming an obsession. It's like you engage in baiting simply to get a response. Look at that post you made. And you're a college-educated guy and everything.
It's JUVENILE.

I'll bet you think this song is about YOU!

Nice evaluation of yourself above and for the last four
days of your personal hysteria on Dropzone.

I guess we don't need Gray's analysis anymore!

Do you believe in atoms or do we have to give
that up too, as a personal attack against YOU !?

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God Willing and the Creek doesn't rise - referring to my health, I will be on a flight to WA in the near future!

Got a decent nights sleep and started to work with the maps I have. Now need a more detailed map of a specific area - that is not heavily populated, but do NOT want to reveal the area in the thread. I need OLD detailed maps of that area. I think I found where the towers used to be. Something was triggered in my memory bank last night - probably an unrelated thing - BUT, all of sudden a light came on.

I mentioned this area before and all I got was young folks who biked and raced 4 wheels in that area. NOW I need OLD maps and I know I have found the area the towers used to be in.

Need map pre 1971. Black and White and don't tell me to go to this place or that place and order the maps - not enough time and I have ordered maps and they are never what I expected.

I will not talk about this on this thread - only to physical researcher and older people who will understand and remember what I saw! Have had to take a pill to calm me down - after what I found drinking my coffee. Making this post and then try to re-start my morning so I can make it to the grocery. Can't go one more day with a trip to the grocery.

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Jo:

In my earlier days, when I attended high school and undergrad school, I worked for the US Forest Service summers and part-time doing stand exams (timber inventory/timber management technique that several state and federal foresters used to do, and still do). We used aerial photographs, fairly good quality, to find and pinpoint exact locations of specific trees! No kidding, we used to pinpoint the location of a single tree using a USFS aerial photograph. If the land you're talking about is federal or state land, it may be possible to get the aerial photos. I reviewed aerial photos from the Okanogan National Forest as early as 1970. Lots of that forest data were made available on microfiche. Forest service personnel from all over the Northwest used to go to the Forest Service Regional Office in Portland, OR to photograph their maps and records so as to get that data onto microfiche -- the technology of the time. I got to work in that photo/microfiche lab in the USFS Portland Regional Office. We photographed tons of forestry maps and records. PM me, I can look into this for you if you like. I know these records were archived, but for how long, I don't know. It may be worth a try.

MeyerLouie

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Tell us about Robert Ballard. I'm sure you know him
well too.

Can't say I've met him. I have met Merilee Rush, some of the Wailers, and others involved in what they once called the Northwest Sound. Bass, sometimes rhythm when they turned me loose with my Gibson SG. I was the young kid on the block, though.

After some shows, I would wake up the next morning in a strange place and wonder who that woman was next to me. I was always polite, though.
Even if I didn't know her, I would give her a kiss anyway.

OK. Robt Ballard is not a rock band. Robt Ballard
found the Titanic.

Oh well! Each to his own.

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Blevins, you are such a worldly man. I didn't know you partook in sexual innuendo and social intercourse -- and an aspiring rock star to boot. Here's one for you -- who was Merrilee Rush's husband -- Rush is her married name, you know. He used to bring his band over to Spokane to play in a couple of the bigger clubs, he played sax, he was good, he had a good band. He was a nice guy, we talked often. Who was he, Mr. Man-of-the-World? MeyerLouie

[airtwardo 7]

http://www.neilrush.com/

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Robert99 50]

The gage for measuring the water level in the Columbia River at Vancouver, WA is located on the north side of the river and just east of the I-5 bridge.

Georger and I spent quite a bit of time discussing the water levels in 2010 and I am looking at them again. The water level data for a period of years is available online, and I downloaded it several years ago, but I cannot now find a description of the terms used in some cases. Hence, the following questions.

1. The Vancouver gage zero is given as "+1.8 NGVD29/MSL" and my understanding is that means the gage zero is 1.8 feet above MSL (Mean Sea Level) on the National Geodetic Vertical Datum for 1929. Is that correct?

2. If the above is correct, then 1.8 feet must be added to the gage reading to get the elevation above sea level (ASL). Is that correct?

3. There are four data sets for the "Columbia River at Vancouver" with the following subtitles:

a. Stage Height (FT), Instantaneous, Manual Collection, Max of Day (HGIRVXZAZD).

b. Stage Height (FT); Daily (24 Hourly); Processed; Min of Day; HG.

c. Stage Height (FT); Daily (24 Hourly); Processed; Mean of Day; HG.

d. Stage Height (FT); Daily (24 Hourly); Processed; Max of Day; HG.

I want to determine the DAILY MAXIMUM water level at the Vancouver gage. So presumably, I would use either data set "a" or "d". However, those numbers differ for the same date.

So which data set should I use? And what does the terms "Processed" and "HG" mean here?

Robert99

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Robert99: Are these questions about water levels on the Columbia a research tool attempting to explain the Tena Bar money? No problem there, but I would like to hear your version of any washdown theory you have going. I would answer those questions you posed, but I don't know the answers.

MeyerLouie: I don't think Merrilee Rush is married to that guy anymore, although I could be wrong. When I say I 'met' her, it was like the thousands of other NW folks who have done the same thing. I got to shake her hand after a show. Any aspirations I may have had at rock at roll stardom were interrupted by the Army, anyway. Then when I got out, I had to give it up permanently and get a real job.

Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

Robert99

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic? I'm not attempting humor or sarcasm; it seems to me that "how the money got there" ...given the speculated ways...has not been definitively determined and agreed upon.

Oddly. <---This is sarcasm.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic? I'm not attempting humor or sarcasm; it seems to me that "how the money got there" ...given the speculated ways...has not been definitively determined and agreed upon.

Oddly. <---This is sarcasm.

Stay tuned. More will follow in due time.

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic?
Oddly.

Well for one thing, how does money get into the
Columbia in the first place, and from where?

Then for another, . . . maybe the Theory of Everything
with the shotgun approach will stumble on something
inside everything, like a monkey at a typewriter
claiming Shakespeare ?

Have you ever looked at this Columbia and thought in
terms of pressure differentials in the water column?
Is a flow route to Tina Bar possible? Well of course it
is. Things do wash up on Tina Bar with regularity from
somewhere - even Blevins has to agree to that, or I
am a Pygmy born and raised in Vancouver, South
Afrika!

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic?
Oddly.

Well for one thing, how does money get into the
Columbia in the first place, and from where?

Then for another, . . . maybe the Theory of Everything
with the shotgun approach will stumble on something
inside everything, like a monkey at a typewriter
claiming Shakespeare ?

Have you ever looked at this Columbia and thought in
terms of pressure differentials in the water column?
Is a flow route to Tina Bar possible? Well of course it
is. Things do wash up on Tina Bar with regularity from
somewhere - even Blevins has to agree to that, or I
am a Pygmy born and raised in Vancouver, South
Afrika!

Currents in the Columbia are notoriously fickle. You also have one of the Columbias largest tributaries dumping into the Columbia just a mile or so upriver from Tena Bar. The mixing of the currents there also have an effect of pushing some of the water column to the east bank. Anyone want to claim he and the money went into the Wilamette River south of Portland??? That is about as dain bramaged as some of the other "theories"

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Well for one thing, how does money get into the
Columbia in the first place, and from where?

Have you ever looked at this Columbia and thought in
terms of pressure differentials in the water column?

Is a flow route to Tina Bar possible? Well of course it
is. Things do wash up on Tina Bar with regularity from
somewhere?

I won't be posting tonight, but Good luck to ALL of you on keeping the subject out of NEVER NEVER land!

I am sure Repeat (my NEW name for one of our posters) will repeat till the end of time trivial posts that are useless in the case. Perhaps he will repeat himself onto the river and down to Tena's Bar out to sea.

The posts are not entertaining much less useful in allowing any one to move on with real information. This pool of sources and intellect has allowed itself to stagnate in a quamire of writer promotional efforts...to continue to support such is useless!

I'll be back when I have something to offer or new information - GOOD LUCK keeping this thread on target or being productive.

Maybe the CASE has already been solved - you think? NAHH then you guys wouldn't have anything to do with your spare time.

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic?
Oddly.

Well for one thing, how does money get into the
Columbia in the first place, and from where?

Then for another, . . . maybe the Theory of Everything
with the shotgun approach will stumble on something
inside everything, like a monkey at a typewriter
claiming Shakespeare ?

Have you ever looked at this Columbia and thought in
terms of pressure differentials in the water column?
Is a flow route to Tina Bar possible? Well of course it
is. Things do wash up on Tina Bar with regularity from
somewhere - even Blevins has to agree to that, or I
am a Pygmy born and raised in Vancouver, South
Afrika!

Currents in the Columbia are notoriously fickle. You also have one of the Columbias largest tributaries dumping into the Columbia just a mile or so upriver from Tena Bar. The mixing of the currents there also have an effect of pushing some of the water column to the east bank. Anyone want to claim he and the money went into the Wilamette River south of Portland??? That is about as dain bramaged as some of the other "theories"

+1 1000%. Great post!

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Currents in the Columbia are notoriously fickle. You also have one of the Columbias largest tributaries dumping into the Columbia just a mile or so upriver from Tena Bar. The mixing of the currents there also have an effect of pushing some of the water column to the east bank. Anyone want to claim he and the money went into the Wilamette River south of Portland??? That is about as dain bramaged as some of the other "theories"

A zillions posts ago I attached PDFs of an article written by a Columbia River Pilot, someone with special training and qualifications who takes the helm on freighters transiting the Columbia. The author wrote about all sorts of current anomalies including the "bank suction effect." River currents are complicated and when tides are and tributary mixing are involved they get even more complex. I'm not saying water flows uphill, but you do see some couterintuitve effects.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Blevins is HERE for promotion. Every time the word Blast and KC and Skyjacking are used - it hits on B and his book. Does Blevins ACTUALLY think we are so stupid we do not know this...how he used this thread. I have said this since get GO, but NO one heeded what I was saying. So any post I make from now on will say Duane Weber was D.B.Cooper.

I should have been doing this since day one when RB came here to promote his book. I came to the DZ looking for help and not to publicize Weber. I needed to know more about the case and chutes and all of that good stuff. I was also hoping beyond all hope - old timers would be posting here who might have known him. But guys in their 80's do NOT normally take up posting to threads - so what the hell was I thinking? I don't know.

I was not coming back today, but had a moment to hit the thread and see what was going on. Well, as expected promotion was going on hard and heavy. He cannot make a post without using the name of his suspect and his name and skyjacking and the book name. This is how his mind works. He cannot deny this - plug in the key words and see where it takes you - why he stays here.

Check Out how many times he uses name of book and name of publisher in his posts! He gets HITS everytime he does that!

Maybe I should have done that since 2004!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo, there is also something to be said about repetition with your own story...or offering up said story repeatedly without any evidence to back it up.
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And Blevins, your proof is......? You have repeated your story over and over again without any proof, and you criticize Jo for one and the same? C'mon Blevins, how about a little humility once in a while.

Merriee's ex-husband was Neil Rush -- nice guy. They divorced years and years ago, right after she became a big star.

MeyerLouie

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Jo, there is also something to be said about repetition with your own story...or offering up said story repeatedly without any evidence to back it up.
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And Blevins, your proof is......? You have repeated your story over and over again without any proof, and you criticize Jo for one and the same? C'mon Blevins, how about a little humility once in a while.

Merriee's ex-husband was Neil Rush -- nice guy. They divorced years and years ago, right after she became a big star.

MeyerLouie

I do not promote a publishing company.

I do not promote book title.

Those 2 thing should be a NO NO - outside of an introduction.
His motives in coming to this thread WAS NOT to Learn, but to profit!

Mention of the subject is acceptable.

That is HOW I feel about all of this and I am surprised he has managed to side step what should have been a set rule, but that is NOT for me to judge. It is simply my Opinion! I have been observing his KEY words for about 2 yrs now. Check it out yourself!

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Blevins, I have never had a washdown theory. I simply don't think such a theory is realistic.

How intriguing. What's your theory as to why a wash down theory isn't realistic? I'm not attempting humor or sarcasm; it seems to me that "how the money got there" ...given the speculated ways...has not been definitively determined and agreed upon.

Oddly. <---This is sarcasm.

Two problems with the washdown theory: First, the condition of the found money. Second, the fact that MORE than one bundle was found in the same exact spot on the beach. Even if you say the money bag got hung up somewhere, eventually disintegrated, and some of the money washed up at Tena Bar...it's tough to explain how approximately three bundles of the cash ended up in the same exact spot. I talked to retired FBI agent Furhman about this over a beer when Geoff Gray was in Seattle. (Fuhrman interviewed witnesses in Seattle) He told me no one at the FBI had thought of that concept when the money was discovered. He also said my idea on it made sense, but like me...he had no way to explain it.

Edit: Noticed over at the Citizen Sleuths website that they think the money was buried deeper originally than the shallow depth in which it was found. They attribute this to the cessation of dredge spoils being dumped there after 1974, causing natural erosion that eventually brought the bills closer to the surface.

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Somehow Blevins, it's always the FBI who just never ever does quite enough to get the job done. I just can't believe the FBI is as blatantly incompetent, inconsistent, and incomplete as you think. You don't think they put some serious thought and consideration into how the money ended up at Tina Bar? You thought up something before the FBI did? Don't think so, Blevins.

It's possible the money was buried deeper than the shallow depth it was found. Did you and others ever think of the possibility the moneybag ended intact at Tina Bar? The bills ended up together because they spilled out of a partially damaged moneybag -- that had been buried under some sand for an extended period, that had gotten there and departed because of a flood event. BK may not be as crazy as some of you make him out to be.

Here's another thing: we can't prove or substantiate the exact time DBC exited 305. Some say we can nail it down pretty close because of the pressure bump. The pressure bump says he jumped real close to Ariel. But it was 377, I believe, who implied earlier, that it is conceivable, possible, that DBC could have faked the jump at Ariel. That is, DBC could have gone to the bottom of the aft stairs, jumped up and down a few times to activate the pressure gauge, then climb back up the stairs, wait several minutes, then gently step off, do a freefall from, the bottom step of the aft stairs -- gentle enough so no pressure bump was indicated. Blevins, who cares if he backed down the stairs -- why do you pole vault mouse tirds? It's such a non-point.

In any event.... if what I posit is possible -- when it really gets down to it, Cooper could have jumped anytime, anywhere during that flight -- we don't really know, do we? He could have jumped closer to Portland and the Columbia River. We heard earlier Cooper could have possibly ended up in the Villamette River, the major tributary that dumps into the Columbia River just upstream from Tina Bar (add that one to the theory list).

There is some indication, however, that water was involved, possibly a great deal of water -- water from the Columbia River, to be exact -- since some of the money was found on her banks.

MeyerLouie