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Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight.
Did you catch I talked to Gray (on the telephone)
last week. A nice long conversation. Among other
things he apologised for his 'erroneous' remarks in
his book which including my having been born and
raised in Washington - the mantra Blevins
peddled for months calling me a liar about my own
birth!
Gray and I had a good conversation, to be continued
later, and I feel better about a few things.
Just thought you might want to know ... you might
give him a call in your own regard. That's up to you.
mrshutter45 21
'By the way, if the money was already in a moneybag, it seems to me the bills would have survived just fine in a milk can, submerged under water, for an extended period of time."
I not sure I would buy into this either, this condition would put sediments into the can
after a couple years the can would be dry and wet off and on turning the contents to a
mess. the can would have been filled with sediments and along with the money it's
extremely unlikely the can would pop up like a cork as BK claims. the top of a milk cans is
not water proof. 8+ years is a long time for money to survive under these conditions. the
can just wouldn't have any Buoyancy to it IMO....
If the bag was with the money, how did 3 bundles get out if the bag and the can before it
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?
Personal ? nope, I started questioning him a year ago and half way through all he would do is
divert and resort to name calling, so I started looking deeper into his story finding problem
after problem. the battle continued for some time. I simply remind him of this when ever he comments.
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Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight. With Blevins continued promotion of his rights and his story - nothing of value can be discussed. If we are lucky we get a post in that gets a reply. Why the DZ allows this man to continue to monopolize the thread with promotions I do not understand.
NOTHING of value can be discussed here, but what it gets buried in the promotions.
A lot is going on with the case in WA, but NOT sure it will lead to anything. The grapevine has some "BODY" claiming Weber really was Cooper! Since the source was not FBI and very vague - I just took it for what it was....useless comment with nothing to back it up. Yet, another party spoke with me and it was the same old repetition I have heard before "Weber was NOT Cooper" and claims to be in the loop with the FBI.
The drift I got the other day is a TEAM of people (within the FBI) are working on the case at this time.
Hopefully the information was CORRECT and the FBI is actually consolidating the files and looking for the things that could have slipped thru the cracks regarding old contacts.
I think if the FBI input all the contacts in a computer and all of the facts and misnomers available over the last 40 yrs, the anaylsis system or program being used would CRASH!
Computers can determine soil on Mars at one time supported life, but can't solve this old crime! Well, one is a computerized analysis with given factors - the skyjacking is just words and leads called into investigators.
Frankly I think someone in the background of Weber has already proven he was Cooper and the FBI is waiting for their information to be analyzed.
Not saying the information below is true:
Maybe an old roll top desk that used to belong to Weber showed up with 20 dollar bills hidden inside of it.
The next statement was true per Duane Weber:
His ex got rid of such a desk when they split. Duane was ready to kill, because he didn't know where it went - it had already been hauled off.Perhaps 40 yrs later it has been found - U Think!
MIGHT as well HAVE some FUN!
We can't post anything useful anymore - all we get is Blevins - REPEAT, REPEAT! Burn his story into the minds of the public readers and the public thru Google, yet - the public does NOT have the information available in this thread.
Is the case solved - Nahhh!
Jo, Just exactly how did I get involved with this post? I didn't start it.
Robert99
I have been called Crazy, delusional, Off my Rocker and I added obcessive and compulsive.
My neighbor said I was just eccentric!
I will die of natural causes - I hope! I did have a serious accident that should have killed me in 2000 right after I challenged the FBI. I moved forward - three inches saved my life. I was told if I had survived I would have wished I hadn't. It was bad enough and I still suffer from my injuries.
Yes, I am bitter - because the FBI communicates with the likes of Marla, but have not addressed the things I addressed with them.
A Syndrom - hardly. Duane did confess to the crime and unfortunately there was NO one to witness it. I was the first person to actually go public with my beliefs - and then came all of the others - Blevins, Marla and others we never knew about.
I am not an expert on the Cooper case but I do have to keep the misnomers down on others. The thread spreads a lot of false information or information that gets muddled by too many people. Like the WATCH thing. Bruce claimed Cooper looked at his watch. Himmelsbach says there is NO mention of this...and that Bruce is wrong.
Bruce supposedly removed the remark from his site.
Georger - I try to be real and do not know all of the story - I like you have never got to read the minutes of what the witness said and didn't say and the minutes of the description they gave. Something you stated regarding the co-pilot indicated you had not read the official reports within the FBI - yet, you are supposedly involved. How will U react if the FBI did finally finger Cooper? Or someone produces the proof a subject was Cooper?
Jo is not a handler - just a woman trying to tell what her husband told her and what the information she acqired indicates.
What I have seen and heard - not what I co-erced out of someone else! I was married to the man for 17 yrs. NOT one person with the exception of myself, who has promoted a suspect had that much intimate contact with the suspect.
Beside that Duane actually told me he was DAN COOPER. He didn't tell me he was D.B.Cooper and there is a difference. If you really study that statement and the circumstances under which it was told...it is a given the last 18 yrs had taken it toll on my emotions and my health. Do you know anyone to could or would have continued that many yrs if that person was NOT fully convinced they had been told the truth.
I have always stated that if Duane was NOT Cooper he sure as hell knew who was. What the FBI needs to explain to the public is HOW or WHY they missed the Spokane records on Weber.
Strange that tonight I had such a conversation with a gentleman. To me it is all about right and wrong and doing the right thing.
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Blevins:
Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it.....
MeyerLouie
some would say obsessive compulsive, just for starter.
We have been through enough of these suspect
handlers to know, there arrives a point where things
turn bitter. Anything can happen. One handler even
died! Auto accident. Maybe he was preoccupied and
thinking about the Cooper case. Who knows.
Geoff and I have discussed a little of the syndrome
and those in it. That includes our resident handlers.
One thing I have noticed is, these handlers arrive at a
point (pretty quickly) where they see themselves
as experts on the Cooper case, and in charge of
the Cooper case. It would be funny if it wasn't so
sad. They wave off all caution and act in front of the
whole world like they are .... Alexander(ess) the Great?
Personally I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten foot pole. The 'evidence' in the case is abstract enough.
Are you still doing some math as a hobby?
G.
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It's been a while since I've done math for a hobby, although teaching it has always been fun. Working with college kids keeps you on your toes. MeyerLouie
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?
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Good question, one worth thinking about -- and I do ......
I'm not saying I support the milk can theory, but I don't find it any more untenable than the "unnatural means" theory -- whatever that means, and which completely ignores the tattered and worn condition of the bills.
MeyerLouie
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QuoteAccording to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.
If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.
Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.
At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.
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georger 244
Wrong. Janet and her family lived in Vancouver at the time of the hijacking. This is documented.
georger 244
QuoteQuoteAccording to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.
If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.
Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.
At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.
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Interesting. I thought Tina was a witness. What was
Ckret's version ?
georger 244
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Blevins:
Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it.....
MeyerLouie
some would say obsessive compulsive, just for starter.
We have been through enough of these suspect
handlers to know, there arrives a point where things
turn bitter. Anything can happen. One handler even
died! Auto accident. Maybe he was preoccupied and
thinking about the Cooper case. Who knows.
Geoff and I have discussed a little of the syndrome
and those in it. That includes our resident handlers.
One thing I have noticed is, these handlers arrive at a
point (pretty quickly) where they see themselves
as experts on the Cooper case, and in charge of
the Cooper case. It would be funny if it wasn't so
sad. They wave off all caution and act in front of the
whole world like they are .... Alexander(ess) the Great?
Personally I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten foot pole. The 'evidence' in the case is abstract enough.
Are you still doing some math as a hobby?
G.
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It's been a while since I've done math for a hobby, although teaching it has always been fun. Working with college kids keeps you on your toes. MeyerLouie
Can you say what level math you teach ? Its no biggie
if you dont want to -
I'm working on Planck's revision of Blotzmann
equations tonight for a paper. I haven't worked with
this stuff for years and am in - deep. Thank God for
Jstor and the internet! This younger generation wants
each and every step, with proofs! Demanding
audience but glad for their enthusiasm!
QuoteJo, Blevins is easy to figure out. As I have stated before, the real mystery on this thread is you. Who are you, what are you doing here, what are you getting out of it?
And nothing you or Blevins are doing has anything to do with solving the Cooper hijacking.
Robert99
So where do U get your information? I am NO mystery, I am an OPEN book.
Why are U here and WHAT are U getting out of this?
The answer to your question will be within YOUR own answers to the same question.
I DO not present Technical Information - but, try to keep information regarding Weber up front and I explore with the thread and have been since I started the 1st thread and then Quade had to ice that one and start this one.
Keeping information about Weber from being distorted and jumbled (too many others inflect their ideas and statements as being mine).
Try to keep the misnomers down!
And make sure Weber is NOT forgotten withing the ravages of the new suspects since 2000 when I went public. There was little out there about Cooper prior to my going public in 2000 and since then there have been Suspect STORMs. Blevins. Gray, Marla do not remember them all such as the Taxi driver who everyone has forgotten about and one that JT made a fool of himself about. LARGE NEWS articles.
Do you remember Coffelt and the man who pursued him. I do and I am probably the only one here who knows his story. The man had ACTUAL interviews with the witnesses. If he was correct in his information the other night - he spent 2 hrs interviewing Tina Mucklow within the first few yrs after the skyjacking. I had contacted him because Bruce stated something about a watch - in 17 yrs I had read NOTHING about a watch.
This man along with Tosaw are some of the few who ever got to interview Tina Mucklow.
I have never seen the minutes and dialogue of interviews made by FBI agents and the composite artists and the crew. Have you?
The artist was interviewed by Doug Pasternak and he got things from him regarding interviews with the witnesses. ONE specific thing Tina and the others tried to express about the appearance of the skyjacker - something obviously NOT told to the investigators something he was NOT successful in portraying. That was the DAY I knew I really had Cooper all of those yrs and why I have never relented.
I finished Doug's sentence over the phone. He and I will NEVER forget that day! NOT ever!
It is the little things LIKE history & information that has become buried in the hype - the above is examples of why I am here.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteAccording to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.
If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.
Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.
At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.
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Interesting. I thought Tina was a witness. What was
Ckret's version ?
I don't give a HOOT what Ckret's version was - he did NOT speak with Tina, but Tosaw did.
Maybe U should give the man who wrote about Coffelt a call!
I can ask him the question for you if you wish. On the rare ocassion when I have called him I am afraid someone else will answer the phone and say "I'm sorry he died about 2 hours ago." Such was the case with Duane's ex-wife and she had BEGGED for my address when I spoke to her about 2 months before that Veterans day in 2004.
Now I will never know what she had to send me!
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mrshutter45 21
QuoteIf the bag was with the money, how did 3 bundles get out if the bag and the can before it
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?
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Good question, one worth thinking about -- and I do ......
I'm not saying I support the milk can theory, but I don't find it any more untenable than the "unnatural means" theory -- whatever that means, and which completely ignores the tattered and worn condition of the bills.
MeyerLouie
I do understand what you are saying about this , but, BK is not giving a
theory, he swears up and down this is all true. without any evidence to
support it. keep in mind Bk is claiming the President Of The United States,
the Pentagon, and the pilots union all had a hand in this?
Bob also claims McCoy was in one of the chase helicopters, claims he got
Weber out of prison. it goes on and on growing bigger as time passed.
how in Gods green earth would a Government mission this large end up
with so many loose ends? the Government may not run the Country very
well, but, rest assure that they are pretty dam good at military operations!
he puts words into public figures such as O'Hara by claiming he didn't kill McCoy
after the prison break. also claims Rataczak was part of this? when you ask
him how he knows this, he responds by going off the subject then returns
with an answer of "I was there so bite me" ? this again is only a small part
of the BK "theory"
"By the way, if the money was already in a moneybag"
the last known evidence has it in the bag, nothing supporting what happened
after he jumped. did the bag get loose on the way down, is it still attached to
Cooper out there with a no pull? all we have is 3 bundles that some how got
out of the bag that was last seen together on the plane....
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Okay..... BK may be really off on that one, but is he the only one? We can't even get the straight story on the parachutes themselves -- the "Cossey scandal" still leaves me confused. What's the real story? Who really packed and delivered the parachutes, and what's the real deal with the dummy chute, and which two (it was two, right?) chutes did Cooper actually take? I've heard lots of things on this issue, and maybe I need to do my own research on it.
Meyer Louie
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