DB Cooper

[georger 244]

Classic. I sure do miss Farflung.

+1.

Or Snowmman.

Anything to bring some order back to the
Maroonz where Wage Earner Sheeple
play ?

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Robert99
You say "Why is Cooper the one with all this aft stair experience and flight experience yet he becomes frazzled over the door and needs an intermediate level off"

My answer is DB had some residual pressure difference between the outside and inside pressures that kept the door from opening. With the help of the Flight Attendant, the door opened. The Flight Attendants were knowledgeable how the door worked and this was DB's first time at actually doing it. He did have text book knowledge but that was not enough to do it with out help.

Just my guess at what happened but not too unusual.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

[mrshutter45 21]

I should be back in the air in about 2 weeks. I bought a new computer replacing my old new computer.

HP/Compaq
500 Gig Hard Drive
3.0 dual core processor
4 Gigs of memory
Nvidia 9800 GTX video card.

If this doesn't work, I'm opening a computer store I have a total of 8 puters in my home
also put a little video together showing the building of my cockpit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5MiaT43VS4

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Robert99
You say "Why is Cooper the one with all this aft stair experience and flight experience yet he becomes frazzled over the door and needs an intermediate level off"

My answer is DB had some residual pressure difference between the outside and inside pressures that kept the door from opening. With the help of the Flight Attendant, the door opened. The Flight Attendants were knowledgeable how the door worked and this was DB's first time at actually doing it. He did have text book knowledge but that was not enough to do it with out help.

Just my guess at what happened but not too unusual.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com

Sailshaw, You are actually attributing something written by Bruce Smith to me. And I in turn am actually replying to Bruce's statement that he (Bruce) would want to check the parachute packing card. I'm just pointing out to Bruce that according to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper do just that.

Bruce's whole post concerns the aft stairs and not the pressure hull door. So there should not be any "residual pressure" on the aft stairs.

Robert99

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I should be back in the air in about 2 weeks. I bought a new computer replacing my old new computer.

HP/Compaq
500 Gig Hard Drive
3.0 dual core processor
4 Gigs of memory
Nvidia 9800 GTX video card.

If this doesn't work, I'm opening a computer store I have a total of 8 puters in my home
also put a little video together showing the building of my cockpit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5MiaT43VS4

The song at the start of the video is cool...and so is the part where you rip it off dragging the needle.
Suggestions: Up video card from 512MB to a gig. Increase RAM to 16 gig, if possible. Forget all that if the config you're setting up works well for you in flight. Failing that, you could pick up a 16gig flash drive and cram that sucker into a rear port and use Windows 7's Ready Boost option with it when you fly that 727.

We're going to want details on that pressure bump. You know that, right?

Hmmm, my buddy builds computers, he told me the 9800 would perform just fine, keep in mind the system doesn't really require a lot to run it. the only part that would drag it would be the Active Sky Evolution program. I questioned the video card myself, but I'm taking his word for it. hope he is right.....

The processor must be 2.6 or better in order to meet the demands. the ram total is 8 gigs that can be put into the system, that will be taken care of as well after the computer arrives. also need to change the power supply to meet the 450 watt minimum for this card.

believe it or not, the Emachine I started out with only bogged down once I installed the Active sky. this machine only had a single processor of 2.6 and a max of 4 MB's of ram and a cheap 1 gig Nvidia card. according to Microsoft, window's XP is the best system to run the sim....

FS2004 is 9 years old and doesn't require big numbers to run it...

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Meyer Louie says in part:

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'Circumstantial Blevins, it's all circumstantial -- the money, the tie, the toupee. Your circumstantial means inconsequential. What does it all prove? Absolutely nothing. There are numerous ways to come into money, the tie just might coincidentally bear a resemblance, and how does the toupee have much to do with anything signifant here? You've been on a big fishing trip, you've used the wrong bait, and you've come home empty handed -- you got skunked. Admit it -- so you can get on with your life...'

Well, as far as investigating KC or the Cooper case, I don't mind discussing some points, but I have moved on for the most part.

You are right in stating that a majority of the evidence against KC is circumstantial. You know how it is. Some New York PI tosses you a job, and you go out there and do the best you can. Of course, the evidence comes down to a lot more than a toupee, a possible ID on a tie tack, and some unexplained money. Maybe it's like Buddy Levy said on Decoded:

'When you take everything together, can it ALL be coincidence?'

Try to remember something. I cannot take full responsibility for the FBI report that was done on KC. This is because it was the final result from several different people and a couple of organizations, not just yours truly. Marisa Kagan, for example, who broke through Geestman's lies as easily as a hot knife cuts through butter. There are some certain things established on Christiansen, and others not so well established. But when you cut to the chase on him, the one thing I am 100% sure of is that Bernie Geestman and his ex-wife know the truth on Christiansen (and their possible involvement) one way or another.

Something was going on in Kenny's life between the time he stopped adding to his little collection of clippings (Summer 1971) and the following November in 1972. (Had gone through x5 yearly income in cash) What that something IS remains the question.

Is it really possible that the Geestmans were in collusion with Kenny and kept the whole thing a secret for decades? I don't know for sure. Sometimes I've wondered. Sometimes you have to look at the little things. Like Bernie turning white as a frickin' sheet the moment he heard the phrase 'Cooper case' that morning on his front porch. Or when his ex-wife, after months of denials, finally admits that Kenny and her husband went missing the week of the crime. Or maybe it was when Helen Jones and her daughter testified to the same thing. There are just too many witnesses, and too many lies that have been broken to say that NOTHING happened with these two. And whatever it was, the end result was money for everyone involved.

It's been suggested they robbed a bank, yet no one in this scenario has the slightest hint of a criminal record. It's been said that maybe KC and Geestman had some weird sex thing going, but the evidence doesn't show that, and neither does it explain the spending afterward.

One of the biggest things that made me wonder about these folks was the way that they went on the defensive right away. In other words, instead of laughing me off their property, they would begin pointing fingers at each other as being involved in the hijacking. Geestman did this in his first interview, and Mrs. Geestman did the same thing in hers, although she tried to keep Kenny's name out of the whole thing for a long time. She would name other people, but these people were checked out by Porteous and none of them panned out.

One time, I did an exercise where I made some educated guesses on how the whole thing went down...IF...they were involved. The end result was that I figured it was not Kenny, but Bernie Geestman who was the actual instigator. It was hard for me to imagine Kenny thinking up the idea all on his own. Geestman was insistent in saying that the year of the hijacking he was gone for Foss Tugs ten or eleven months out of that year. Yet Foss said absolutely not. We know Kenny lent Geestman's sister $5,000, and despite his denials, we know Geestman was the go-between on the money. We know Kenny got his Bonney Lake house from a couple where Geestman served as the Best Man at their wedding, yet Geestman claimed no knowledge on how Kenny got the house. Wherever you find Kenny spending or doing, there you also find Mr Geestman. And there you also find his lies.

When people lie to you, the first thing you ask yourself is this: What would motivate them to lie? What have they to gain or lose by lying? As I've said before, this is often where the truth resides. I think we did a pretty good job with the resources we had investigating Christiansen, although we couldn't prove he was Cooper. The one good thing that came out is that we were able to provide enough information that if someone in the future ever decides to check it all out, they might be able to either confirm him as Cooper, or eliminate him once and for all.

And that's good enough for me.

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Blevins:

Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it. You wrote a book on it. But it just doesn't hold up. In your heart you know it, I know it, and there's probably a lot of other people who know it. Maybe it's time to change your tune, make a change, move on to your next project. MeyerLouie

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" but who's to say BK's theory is any more untenable than anybody else's theory around here? "

BK's "story" sounds good on the outside until you dig into it, then it just falls apart.

Bob claims a lot of things, said he was a College drop out, false.
Bob claims he was drafted, but didn't know the process. (explained it backwards)
Bob claims McCoy is still alive, but, in 2006 said McCoy gave him a photo before he died?
Bob made many claims about Dave Haapala which also turned out to be false.
Bob claims Cooper walked 15-20 miles that evening? this makes no sense if you knew
the square mileage of the alleged jump area.
Bob claims a can, then a milk can was buried close to the river with the money in it.
milk cans are not water tight and would have destroyed the money in a short period
of time that close to the river.
Bob claims that Janet lived in Portland and not Vancouver?
Bob claims a oil pipeline ran along the Columbia. false again
Bob uses pictures not even from this Country about a "pump Station" along the Columbia.
Bob's claims are obviously taken from Jo Weber's story with his own twist on it.
Bob claims he was the "Record Keeper" but can't place anything correctly on his map.
Bob really got nailed by the screen shot given by Matt showing obvious deception to it's max!

This is only a small part of BK's "Story" you are correct by saying everyone has a right to
tell there story, but, if you are really trying to prove something you must have proof of
these actions. Bob Knoss has zero evidence and disappears or responds with childish
behavior when confronted with any part of his story. Blevins is correct about BK being kicked
off of many other sites. I think Bob has been doing this for his amusement, or he has a hidden
problem with truth & reality

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Okay, I hear ya, BK is not necessarily the most reputatble guy. But your list of BK's sins all seem harmless. He may have lied, he may have deceived, he may have made outlandish claims, but how has he really hurt anybody? All those things on that list sound pretty harmless to me. So what? I've heard a couple of other theories around here that don't have much more credibility than BK's claims, assumptions, and deceptions.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you have a personal vendetta against Bob Knoss.

By the way, if the money was already in a moneybag, it seems to me the bills would have survived just fine in a milk can, submerged under water, for an extended period of time.

MeyerLouie

[georger 244]

He spent almost a year trying to convince everyone on this thread that Gray told him I was a mental case. I finally get tired of this and asked Gray myself. Answer: He told Georger no such thing. Later, Georger admitted 'he might have heard it from someone else'.

Whatever.

I admitted no such thing.

I did no such thing.

I stand by what I said.

I posted last week I just talked to Gray by telephone again and he told me you were a "trouble maker", quote unquote.

He also apologised for his erroneous info on me in his book.

That's it.

Your craziness here at DZ speaks for itself. Does not
need Gray or me or anyone to confirm.

Please don't play it again, Sam! The only person keeping this alive is you!

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Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight. With Blevins continued promotion of his rights and his story - nothing of value can be discussed. If we are lucky we get a post in that gets a reply. Why the DZ allows this man to continue to monopolize the thread with promotions I do not understand.

NOTHING of value can be discussed here, but what it gets buried in the promotions.

A lot is going on with the case in WA, but NOT sure it will lead to anything. The grapevine has some "BODY" claiming Weber really was Cooper! Since the source was not FBI and very vague - I just took it for what it was....useless comment with nothing to back it up. Yet, another party spoke with me and it was the same old repetition I have heard before "Weber was NOT Cooper" and claims to be in the loop with the FBI.

The drift I got the other day is a TEAM of people (within the FBI) are working on the case at this time.

Hopefully the information was CORRECT and the FBI is actually consolidating the files and looking for the things that could have slipped thru the cracks regarding old contacts.

I think if the FBI input all the contacts in a computer and all of the facts and misnomers available over the last 40 yrs, the anaylsis system or program being used would CRASH!

Computers can determine soil on Mars at one time supported life, but can't solve this old crime! Well, one is a computerized analysis with given factors - the skyjacking is just words and leads called into investigators.

Frankly I think someone in the background of Weber has already proven he was Cooper and the FBI is waiting for their information to be analyzed.

Not saying the information below is true:

Maybe an old roll top desk that used to belong to Weber showed up with 20 dollar bills hidden inside of it.

The next statement was true per Duane Weber:

His ex got rid of such a desk when they split. Duane was ready to kill, because he didn't know where it went - it had already been hauled off.

Perhaps 40 yrs later it has been found - U Think!


MIGHT as well HAVE some FUN!
We can't post anything useful anymore - all we get is Blevins - REPEAT, REPEAT! Burn his story into the minds of the public readers and the public thru Google, yet - the public does NOT have the information available in this thread.

Is the case solved - Nahhh!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

Blevins:

Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it.....
MeyerLouie

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BK also says the chest mount reserve was rigged as a back mounted main by Duane and used for the Norjack jump. This makes zero sense and wasnt even possible with the rigs supplied.

377

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Okay..... BK may be really off on that one, but is he the only one? We can't even get the straight story on the parachutes themselves -- the "Cossey scandal" still leaves me confused. What's the real story? Who really packed and delivered the parachutes, and what's the real deal with the dummy chute, and which two (it was two, right?) chutes did Cooper actually take? I've heard lots of things on this issue, and maybe I need to do my own research on it.

Meyer Louie

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Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight.

Did you catch I talked to Gray (on the telephone)
last week. A nice long conversation. Among other
things he apologised for his 'erroneous' remarks in
his book which including my having been born and
raised in Washington - the mantra Blevins
peddled for months calling me a liar about my own
birth!

Gray and I had a good conversation, to be continued
later, and I feel better about a few things.

Just thought you might want to know ... you might
give him a call in your own regard. That's up to you.

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'By the way, if the money was already in a moneybag, it seems to me the bills would have survived just fine in a milk can, submerged under water, for an extended period of time."

I not sure I would buy into this either, this condition would put sediments into the can
after a couple years the can would be dry and wet off and on turning the contents to a
mess. the can would have been filled with sediments and along with the money it's
extremely unlikely the can would pop up like a cork as BK claims. the top of a milk cans is
not water proof. 8+ years is a long time for money to survive under these conditions. the
can just wouldn't have any Buoyancy to it IMO....

If the bag was with the money, how did 3 bundles get out if the bag and the can before it
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?

Personal ? nope, I started questioning him a year ago and half way through all he would do is
divert and resort to name calling, so I started looking deeper into his story finding problem
after problem. the battle continued for some time. I simply remind him of this when ever he comments.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Robert99 - there is NO way to keep these Guys straight. With Blevins continued promotion of his rights and his story - nothing of value can be discussed. If we are lucky we get a post in that gets a reply. Why the DZ allows this man to continue to monopolize the thread with promotions I do not understand.

NOTHING of value can be discussed here, but what it gets buried in the promotions.

A lot is going on with the case in WA, but NOT sure it will lead to anything. The grapevine has some "BODY" claiming Weber really was Cooper! Since the source was not FBI and very vague - I just took it for what it was....useless comment with nothing to back it up. Yet, another party spoke with me and it was the same old repetition I have heard before "Weber was NOT Cooper" and claims to be in the loop with the FBI.

The drift I got the other day is a TEAM of people (within the FBI) are working on the case at this time.

Hopefully the information was CORRECT and the FBI is actually consolidating the files and looking for the things that could have slipped thru the cracks regarding old contacts.

I think if the FBI input all the contacts in a computer and all of the facts and misnomers available over the last 40 yrs, the anaylsis system or program being used would CRASH!

Computers can determine soil on Mars at one time supported life, but can't solve this old crime! Well, one is a computerized analysis with given factors - the skyjacking is just words and leads called into investigators.

Frankly I think someone in the background of Weber has already proven he was Cooper and the FBI is waiting for their information to be analyzed.

Not saying the information below is true:

Maybe an old roll top desk that used to belong to Weber showed up with 20 dollar bills hidden inside of it.

The next statement was true per Duane Weber:

His ex got rid of such a desk when they split. Duane was ready to kill, because he didn't know where it went - it had already been hauled off.

Perhaps 40 yrs later it has been found - U Think!


MIGHT as well HAVE some FUN!
We can't post anything useful anymore - all we get is Blevins - REPEAT, REPEAT! Burn his story into the minds of the public readers and the public thru Google, yet - the public does NOT have the information available in this thread.

Is the case solved - Nahhh!

Jo, Just exactly how did I get involved with this post? I didn't start it.

Robert99

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Suspect Handler Blues! Well, I have had a lot of those, but I usually just roll with the punches!

I have been called Crazy, delusional, Off my Rocker and I added obcessive and compulsive.
My neighbor said I was just eccentric!

I will die of natural causes - I hope! I did have a serious accident that should have killed me in 2000 right after I challenged the FBI. I moved forward - three inches saved my life. I was told if I had survived I would have wished I hadn't. It was bad enough and I still suffer from my injuries.

Yes, I am bitter - because the FBI communicates with the likes of Marla, but have not addressed the things I addressed with them.

A Syndrom - hardly. Duane did confess to the crime and unfortunately there was NO one to witness it. I was the first person to actually go public with my beliefs - and then came all of the others - Blevins, Marla and others we never knew about.

I am not an expert on the Cooper case but I do have to keep the misnomers down on others. The thread spreads a lot of false information or information that gets muddled by too many people. Like the WATCH thing. Bruce claimed Cooper looked at his watch. Himmelsbach says there is NO mention of this...and that Bruce is wrong.

Bruce supposedly removed the remark from his site.

Georger - I try to be real and do not know all of the story - I like you have never got to read the minutes of what the witness said and didn't say and the minutes of the description they gave. Something you stated regarding the co-pilot indicated you had not read the official reports within the FBI - yet, you are supposedly involved. How will U react if the FBI did finally finger Cooper? Or someone produces the proof a subject was Cooper?

Jo is not a handler - just a woman trying to tell what her husband told her and what the information she acqired indicates.
What I have seen and heard - not what I co-erced out of someone else! I was married to the man for 17 yrs. NOT one person with the exception of myself, who has promoted a suspect had that much intimate contact with the suspect.

Beside that Duane actually told me he was DAN COOPER. He didn't tell me he was D.B.Cooper and there is a difference. If you really study that statement and the circumstances under which it was told...it is a given the last 18 yrs had taken it toll on my emotions and my health. Do you know anyone to could or would have continued that many yrs if that person was NOT fully convinced they had been told the truth.

I have always stated that if Duane was NOT Cooper he sure as hell knew who was. What the FBI needs to explain to the public is HOW or WHY they missed the Spokane records on Weber.

Strange that tonight I had such a conversation with a gentleman. To me it is all about right and wrong and doing the right thing.

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Blevins:

Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it.....
MeyerLouie

some would say obsessive compulsive, just for starter.

We have been through enough of these suspect
handlers to know, there arrives a point where things
turn bitter. Anything can happen. One handler even
died! Auto accident. Maybe he was preoccupied and
thinking about the Cooper case. Who knows.

Geoff and I have discussed a little of the syndrome
and those in it. That includes our resident handlers.

One thing I have noticed is, these handlers arrive at a
point (pretty quickly) where they see themselves
as experts on the Cooper case, and in charge of
the Cooper case. It would be funny if it wasn't so
sad. They wave off all caution and act in front of the
whole world like they are .... Alexander(ess) the Great?

Personally I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten foot pole. The 'evidence' in the case is abstract enough.

Are you still doing some math as a hobby?

G.

[MeyerLouie 5]

If the bag was with the money, how did 3 bundles get out if the bag and the can before it
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?

_________________________________________________

Good question, one worth thinking about -- and I do ......

I'm not saying I support the milk can theory, but I don't find it any more untenable than the "unnatural means" theory -- whatever that means, and which completely ignores the tattered and worn condition of the bills.

MeyerLouie

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According to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.

If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.

Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.

At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

Bob claims that Janet lived in Portland and not Vancouver?

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According to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.

If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.

Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.

At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.

377

Interesting. I thought Tina was a witness. What was
Ckret's version ?

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Blevins:

Your multi-paragraph soliloquy here, once again, changes nothing -- it's all a circumstantial case. It proves nothing whatsoever. This theory is why you are here, you've based your entire existence on it.....
MeyerLouie

some would say obsessive compulsive, just for starter.

We have been through enough of these suspect
handlers to know, there arrives a point where things
turn bitter. Anything can happen. One handler even
died! Auto accident. Maybe he was preoccupied and
thinking about the Cooper case. Who knows.

Geoff and I have discussed a little of the syndrome
and those in it. That includes our resident handlers.

One thing I have noticed is, these handlers arrive at a
point (pretty quickly) where they see themselves
as experts on the Cooper case, and in charge of
the Cooper case. It would be funny if it wasn't so
sad. They wave off all caution and act in front of the
whole world like they are .... Alexander(ess) the Great?

Personally I wouldn't touch that stuff with a ten foot pole. The 'evidence' in the case is abstract enough.

Are you still doing some math as a hobby?

G.

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It's been a while since I've done math for a hobby, although teaching it has always been fun. Working with college kids keeps you on your toes. MeyerLouie

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Jo, Blevins is easy to figure out. As I have stated before, the real mystery on this thread is you. Who are you, what are you doing here, what are you getting out of it?

And nothing you or Blevins are doing has anything to do with solving the Cooper hijacking.

Robert99

So where do U get your information? I am NO mystery, I am an OPEN book.

Why are U here and WHAT are U getting out of this?

The answer to your question will be within YOUR own answers to the same question.

I DO not present Technical Information - but, try to keep information regarding Weber up front and I explore with the thread and have been since I started the 1st thread and then Quade had to ice that one and start this one.

Keeping information about Weber from being distorted and jumbled (too many others inflect their ideas and statements as being mine).

Try to keep the misnomers down!
And make sure Weber is NOT forgotten withing the ravages of the new suspects since 2000 when I went public. There was little out there about Cooper prior to my going public in 2000 and since then there have been Suspect STORMs. Blevins. Gray, Marla do not remember them all such as the Taxi driver who everyone has forgotten about and one that JT made a fool of himself about. LARGE NEWS articles.

Do you remember Coffelt and the man who pursued him. I do and I am probably the only one here who knows his story. The man had ACTUAL interviews with the witnesses. If he was correct in his information the other night - he spent 2 hrs interviewing Tina Mucklow within the first few yrs after the skyjacking. I had contacted him because Bruce stated something about a watch - in 17 yrs I had read NOTHING about a watch.

This man along with Tosaw are some of the few who ever got to interview Tina Mucklow.

I have never seen the minutes and dialogue of interviews made by FBI agents and the composite artists and the crew. Have you?


The artist was interviewed by Doug Pasternak and he got things from him regarding interviews with the witnesses. ONE specific thing Tina and the others tried to express about the appearance of the skyjacker - something obviously NOT told to the investigators something he was NOT successful in portraying. That was the DAY I knew I really had Cooper all of those yrs and why I have never relented.

I finished Doug's sentence over the phone. He and I will NEVER forget that day! NOT ever!

It is the little things LIKE history & information that has become buried in the hype - the above is examples of why I am here.






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According to Tosaw's book, Tina saw Cooper get the packing card out and check it.

If that could be verified it would be a huge clue pointing to prior parachute experience.

Jerry Thomas kindly paved the way for a phone call with Ralph H. Ralph said he saw nothing that supported Tosaw's claim about DBC examining a packing card.

At the Portland symposium I challenged several people to find the packing card on my NB8 in under a minute. Nobody succeeded. It is really well hidden.

377

Interesting. I thought Tina was a witness. What was
Ckret's version ?

I don't give a HOOT what Ckret's version was - he did NOT speak with Tina, but Tosaw did.

Maybe U should give the man who wrote about Coffelt a call!
I can ask him the question for you if you wish. On the rare ocassion when I have called him I am afraid someone else will answer the phone and say "I'm sorry he died about 2 hours ago." Such was the case with Duane's ex-wife and she had BEGGED for my address when I spoke to her about 2 months before that Veterans day in 2004.
Now I will never know what she had to send me!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Mr.Green 0]

After battling several serious medical conditions I am pleased to announce the "Return of Mr.Green". Good morning ya'all

[mrshutter45 21]

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If the bag was with the money, how did 3 bundles get out if the bag and the can before it
sank, again? should have already been full of water as the river started to rise? way before
it had a chance to pop up?

_________________________________________________

Good question, one worth thinking about -- and I do ......

I'm not saying I support the milk can theory, but I don't find it any more untenable than the "unnatural means" theory -- whatever that means, and which completely ignores the tattered and worn condition of the bills.

MeyerLouie

I do understand what you are saying about this , but, BK is not giving a
theory, he swears up and down this is all true. without any evidence to
support it. keep in mind Bk is claiming the President Of The United States,
the Pentagon, and the pilots union all had a hand in this?

Bob also claims McCoy was in one of the chase helicopters, claims he got
Weber out of prison. it goes on and on growing bigger as time passed.
how in Gods green earth would a Government mission this large end up
with so many loose ends? the Government may not run the Country very
well, but, rest assure that they are pretty dam good at military operations!

he puts words into public figures such as O'Hara by claiming he didn't kill McCoy
after the prison break. also claims Rataczak was part of this? when you ask
him how he knows this, he responds by going off the subject then returns
with an answer of "I was there so bite me" ? this again is only a small part
of the BK "theory"

"By the way, if the money was already in a moneybag"
the last known evidence has it in the bag, nothing supporting what happened
after he jumped. did the bag get loose on the way down, is it still attached to
Cooper out there with a no pull? all we have is 3 bundles that some how got
out of the bag that was last seen together on the plane....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI