georger 244 #39826 May 1, 2013 QuoteSgt West declined to comment on how the day of death was determined, nor what kind of tool or instrument caused the death. "We're not releasing that kind of information at this time," she told me. http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00206/text_ta_time_since_death.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39827 May 1, 2013 In the South we are NOT getting any information - not even an article about the initial finding when the body was found. ZERO. I have gotten is what you guys provide the links to here. Thanks. ANYONE out there: Do any of you have a picture of another man who was checked out in 1971 by the name of Pummel. I just did a sound alike as I do not know the spelling. Anyone have any old news about other sitings of Cooper on or near the Columbia and East of Washougal from 1971. Just checking out some old information I have. PS: I am embarrassed at the way U guys are acting on this thread. Blevins - just SHUT up! Georger - the same for U! Let this family bury Cossey in peace. As for Bruce he is doing the same thing he did with Tina and her family. Again these victims should NOT have to defend themselves. I am totally ashamed of you guys. Sharing reports for the news is fine. But, all of this hype and squabbling between Georger and Blevins needs to be STOPPED! Cossey was a jumper and I am surprised the DZ has put up with this mocking & bickering during a time of grieving regarding one of their own. NOT one of you have mentioned the GOOD things about Cossey and the other things that need to be remembered about this man. We have 3 children on this thread who are need of some serious discipline.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39828 May 2, 2013 Please STOP what you are doing! Please show some respect for the family with SILENCE! Blues SKIES Cossey! I never met him in person and from the few conversations I had with him - he came across as a Bantam Rooster in the skydiving world. Surely there are individual in the DZ who knew him and some of the stories that transpired over his years of jumping and packing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #39829 May 2, 2013 I have posted my latest findings and a photograph of Earl at the Mountain News. http://themountainnewswa.net/2013/05/01/the-hunt-for-db-cooper-the-murder-of-earl-cossey-has-been-confirmed/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #39830 May 2, 2013 Part of newspaper article Oregonian, Nov 26, 1971. 2 excerpts a little easier to read While it is very possible there was more than one set of back chutes, looks more likely that the whole conumdrum just hinges on different perspectives of the same truth that probably got a little tangled over the years. Makes sense....Even though the wedding cake is bought and paid for by the happy couple, if I baked the cake I will probably tell you that is MY wedding cake. And I can tell you all the ingredients and how it was made, and how hot the oven had to be. The bride and groom owners only know how to cut it and eat it ......(and these days grind it in each other's faces.......who the hell started that stupid tradition?).Likewise, who will the Dept of health want to talk to when everyone at the wedding gets food poisoning from eating said cake? Simple analogy but you get my drift.... but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39831 May 2, 2013 Quote Part of newspaper article Oregonian, Nov 26, 1971. 2 excerpts a little easier to read While it is very possible there was more than one set of back chutes, looks more likely that the whole conumdrum just hinges on different perspectives of the same truth that probably got a little tangled over the years. Makes sense....Even though the wedding cake is bought and paid for by the happy couple, if I baked the cake I will probably tell you that is MY wedding cake. And I can tell you all the ingredients and how it was made, and how hot the oven had to be. The bride and groom owners only know how to cut it and eat it ......(and these days grind it in each other's faces.......who the hell started that stupid tradition?).Likewise, who will the Dept of health want to talk to when everyone at the wedding gets food poisoning from eating said cake? Simple analogy but you get my drift.... just as I said: different definitions for "his". so why the kerfuffle over it!? good work Smokin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #39832 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote Part of newspaper article Oregonian, Nov 26, 1971. 2 excerpts a little easier to read While it is very possible there was more than one set of back chutes, looks more likely that the whole conumdrum just hinges on different perspectives of the same truth that probably got a little tangled over the years. Makes sense....Even though the wedding cake is bought and paid for by the happy couple, if I baked the cake I will probably tell you that is MY wedding cake. And I can tell you all the ingredients and how it was made, and how hot the oven had to be. The bride and groom owners only know how to cut it and eat it ......(and these days grind it in each other's faces.......who the hell started that stupid tradition?).Likewise, who will the Dept of health want to talk to when everyone at the wedding gets food poisoning from eating said cake? Simple analogy but you get my drift.... Nice article find. Well, you can see how Cossey became the go-to guy for the FBI, and it makes perfect sense. He was the only one to see the canopies. Norman Hayden has said he bought them packed, and never observed the re-packing(s) personally. I think Cossey's only mistake may have been with the Amboy chute. He may have been right about the chute not being Cooper's, but the choice to use the silk reason might not have been the best choice as the reason he gave. Well, we've discussed all that ins and outs of the silk thing before so I'm not gonna go there tonight - except to say...my main problem with dismissing Cossey's silk statement out of hand is -- based on what I've read -- certified master riggers know fabrics. It's part of their job and part of their knowledge base when it comes to certification and such. So you'd think that his opinion would be based on that knowledge. Now I don't know, maybe the training and knowledge is not as rigorous as I've been led to believe, but one would hope that it's not like just any ol guy saying it is or isn't silk, you know?but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39833 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Part of newspaper article Oregonian, Nov 26, 1971. 2 excerpts a little easier to read While it is very possible there was more than one set of back chutes, looks more likely that the whole conumdrum just hinges on different perspectives of the same truth that probably got a little tangled over the years. Makes sense....Even though the wedding cake is bought and paid for by the happy couple, if I baked the cake I will probably tell you that is MY wedding cake. And I can tell you all the ingredients and how it was made, and how hot the oven had to be. The bride and groom owners only know how to cut it and eat it ......(and these days grind it in each other's faces.......who the hell started that stupid tradition?).Likewise, who will the Dept of health want to talk to when everyone at the wedding gets food poisoning from eating said cake? Simple analogy but you get my drift.... Nice article find. Well, you can see how Cossey became the go-to guy for the FBI, and it makes perfect sense. He was the only one to see the canopies. Norman Hayden has said he bought them packed, and never observed the re-packing(s) personally. I think Cossey's only mistake may have been with the Amboy chute. He may have been right about the chute not being Cooper's, but the choice to use the silk reason might not have been the best choice as the reason he gave. Well, we've discussed all that ins and outs of the silk thing before so I'm not gonna go there tonight - except to say...my main problem with dismissing Cossey's silk statement out of hand is -- based on what I've read -- certified master riggers know fabrics. It's part of their job and part of their knowledge base when it comes to certification and such. So you'd think that his opinion would be based on that knowledge. Now I don't know, maybe the training and knowledge is not as rigorous as I've been led to believe, but one would hope that it's not like just any ol guy saying it is or isn't silk, you know? not to mention others also inspecting the chute - a fact Blevins refuses to accept. But let's chuck all of that! For the sake of welfare let's just accept Blevins as the expert on this and everything else, including morality and manners! That should just about wrap this up. Another problemo DECODED and in Blevin's can. I'm goin fishin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39834 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote Quote Part of newspaper article Oregonian, Nov 26, 1971. 2 excerpts a little easier to read While it is very possible there was more than one set of back chutes, looks more likely that the whole conumdrum just hinges on different perspectives of the same truth that probably got a little tangled over the years. Makes sense....Even though the wedding cake is bought and paid for by the happy couple, if I baked the cake I will probably tell you that is MY wedding cake. And I can tell you all the ingredients and how it was made, and how hot the oven had to be. The bride and groom owners only know how to cut it and eat it ......(and these days grind it in each other's faces.......who the hell started that stupid tradition?).Likewise, who will the Dept of health want to talk to when everyone at the wedding gets food poisoning from eating said cake? Simple analogy but you get my drift.... Nice article find. Well, you can see how Cossey became the go-to guy for the FBI, and it makes perfect sense. He was the only one to see the canopies. Norman Hayden has said he bought them packed, and never observed the re-packing(s) personally. I think Cossey's only mistake may have been with the Amboy chute. He may have been right about the chute not being Cooper's, but the choice to use the silk reason might not have been the best choice as the reason he gave. Well, we've discussed all that ins and outs of the silk thing before so I'm not gonna go there tonight - except to say...my main problem with dismissing Cossey's silk statement out of hand is -- based on what I've read -- certified master riggers know fabrics. It's part of their job and part of their knowledge base when it comes to certification and such. So you'd think that his opinion would be based on that knowledge. Now I don't know, maybe the training and knowledge is not as rigorous as I've been led to believe, but one would hope that it's not like just any ol guy saying it is or isn't silk, you know? Dont wish to bore anyone but I will post it again for those who missed it tending to Blevins-business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39835 May 2, 2013 Portions of PINK Canopy torn. So why have we not heard this before. Did Cooper tear up the canopy? If so - we can guess for what purpose? Perhaps he just meant cutting ropes off of it. Something Paperlegs was known to mention....can't remember why I thought about Paperlegs when I read that paragraph. Where did that article come from? What Newpaper and who was the reporter? We know he cut rope off the chute. Is this what they reporter is mistakenly reporting? Torn Canopy or cut ropes? I suppose it means the same to a non jumper. Glad to see everyone back on target. I did not read Bruce's article and do not intend to do so. I expect I might relent on that, but I really hate the way he handles himself on the Enquirer level. He like lots of writers exploits and does not report just facts. Do NOT even question why I am making the statement below! Just an observation: Wrapped in what appeared to be plastic of some kind. I wonder if someone seeing wet wrappings on a package could possibly have not known what silk/nylon looks like when it is wet. Just me thinking out loud - not a good thing! Not related to the above: In Duane's wallet was piece of 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 fabric with pinked edges. Note I did not say a pink piece of fabric. I told this to JT and to Mr. Himmelsbach during the first yrs. I thought it was a piece of prayer cloth. Himmelsbach wanted to know if it was pink? WHY? I remembered it as prayer cloth so it would have been white or off white. I do not think I would have thought that had it been pink. Now you guys will say unbelieveable - I guess so, because I do not know what happened to it. It was seen at the same time I saw the ticket and something about that article caused me to remember this. I had mentioned it to JT and to Himmelsbach as a piece of prayer cloth...this was in the first yr when I was talking to Himmelsbach - before the FBI ever came to see me. Certain things just trigger memories you think are gone forever. I realize no one believes me and I will go to my grave without anyone ever believing the things I say, but I know they are true. I have done the best I could and there is just not much left of me phsically and emotionally to continue this battle. I tried! I really tried, but I am so very very tired. I am so SORRY I didn't listen to Duane and that I didn't understand what he was telling me. I am so Sorry! I understand why he couldn't tell me the truth until the very end - because of what I am and who I am - I would have turned my own husband in. I can't even fathom what it must be like to have lived with the secrets he kept from me for 17 yrs. If he could keep his criminal records from me - think - really think about the rest of the story! I knew nothing for the first 12 yrs. He only told about the Jefferson time, because he had to give me and the phycologist some kind of explanation for his actions when he obtained the drivers license in 1990 under the name of John Collins. The FBI did NOT even note the license was real and the fact it was a re-issue of a lost license issue the day before they picked him up for attempting to do the same thing in another County. The FBI missed this! Why - but, it was significant! He needed that license to get into a safe deposit box under the John Collins name in another state. What he did with all of the contents - I do not know, but that is the same time frame pictures of this parents other little things - an ivory belt buckle and button from a baby boys baptismal suit. The canvas Satchel trimmed in leather that used to have a strap on it. The same time the money bag showed up - it was pristine and not soiled. I actually opened the bag and he told me it was just an old bank bag. I remember that day. No one can take my memories from me except the creator! No one! I didn't know the bag was from a Seattle hijacking. It was just a WA bank Bag. This was 5 yrs before he died and right after he started dialysis in 1990. I didn't know what all of that stuff meant. I didn't know what I was supposed to find in the van. It was trash to me - and I really don't remember what all we got rid of. I just know I did NOT see that wallet - not until the day 2wks later when the new owner returned it to me. You guys do REALIZE the new owner did NOT know until 2 months ago (Feb of 2013) that the ransom was paided in $20 bills.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #39836 May 2, 2013 QuoteGeorger says in part, regarding other experts the Seattle FBI said they were going to contact regarding the Amboy chute: Quote'not to mention others also inspecting the chute - a fact Blevins refuses to accept. But let's chuck all of that! For the sake of welfare let's just accept Blevins as the expert on this and everything else, including morality and manners! That should just about wrap this up. Another problemo DECODED and in Blevin's can. I'm goin fishin!' Robert replies: Name one other outside expert the Seattle FBI consulted on the Amboy chute. Just one. The Seattle FBI, in articles, said they were planning to consult outside experts by telephone regarding the chute. But less than 48 hours after that announcement, they went public with the silk-not-nylon explanation. (after a few minor gaffes along the way) No experts were ever named, nor were the results of any research ever made public about the chute, except for a statement saying they (Seattle FBI) would no longer discuss it. After that, Citizen Sleuths were not allowed to examine it, even though they offered to do so. In some earlier articles, (the total length of time it was investigated was just over a week) the Seattle FBI said the chute was being examined in their local lab. Nothing was said about any results discovered from that examination, nor did the Seattle FBI even mention the lab when they finally wrote it off. _________________________________________________ I wasn't aware the FBI was obligated to report in to you, Blevins. Maybe they did lots of things, like consult outside experts, and just didn't find it necessary to check in with you and run things by you. The FBI won't necessarily play their trump card because you think they ought to. Just because they didn't tell you what you think they ought to have told you doesn't mean they didn't do a good thorough examination...... It may come as a shock to you, Blevins (Are you sitting down?), but the universe does not revolve around your belly button. I know, I've just traumatized you with this stunning revelation. I suggest you get some good counseling -- you'll be back on your feet in no time. Another point: Why not take the picture of the packing card from the Hayden chute (that Bruce provided, the chute that's at the Tacoma Museum) and compare it to the card or visual characteristics from the Amboy chute? Based on that comparison, the amboy chute could possibly be ruled in or out as the one that Cooper used (Mr. Sailshaw, I hope it's okay with you to share this). MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #39837 May 2, 2013 I wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #39838 May 2, 2013 In Duane's wallet was piece of 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 fabric with pinked edges. Note I did not say a pink piece of fabric. I told this to JT and to Mr. Himmelsbach during the first yrs. I thought it was a piece of prayer cloth. _________________________________________________ So, Jo, what was Duane doing with a prayer cloth? That's kind of an unusual thing for a career criminal to possess. When did he take up prayer? The only prayer I've ever heard a career criminal pray is, "Don't let me get caught!" Or..... maybe it was like the prayer the little girl prayed really hard for that night -- after she accidentally walked past daddy's computer in the "man cave": "Please God, help daddy get enough money to buy all those girls some clothes." Now, don't get mad, Jo -- it was just a joke. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smokin99 0 #39839 May 2, 2013 Quote Robert replies: Name one other outside expert the Seattle FBI consulted on the Amboy chute. Just one. The Seattle FBI, in articles, said they were planning to consult outside experts by telephone regarding the chute. But less than 48 hours after that announcement, they went public with the silk-not-nylon explanation. (after a few minor gaffes along the way) No experts were ever named, nor were the results of any research ever made public about the chute, except for a statement saying they (Seattle FBI) would no longer discuss it. The Seattle FBI agent said, on this thread, that the FBI consulted Cossey and two others, in addition to other things. No, he didn't mention names -- go figure . Doubtless they told him to keep their names away from the public and out of this crazy house. Robert - you have at times said you were withholding certain things and not making them public - who remembers why - but I 'm sure you thought you had good reason. Carr said the investigation of the chute was done, over and it was not Cooper's. No need to discuss anymore. You want it carbon dated and a team of experts with magnifying glasses, then maybe you can get somewhere with requesting info through FOIA. Go for it. Hey I'd love to see every piece of info too. I just never got the feeling that there was a great "conspiracy" or "ulterior motive" (for want of a better word - don't get defensive) about the chute. Maybe one day something different will come out about the chute. Til then, I'm thinking it is what it is. One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #39840 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote Robert replies: Name one other outside expert the Seattle FBI consulted on the Amboy chute. Just one. The Seattle FBI, in articles, said they were planning to consult outside experts by telephone regarding the chute. But less than 48 hours after that announcement, they went public with the silk-not-nylon explanation. (after a few minor gaffes along the way) No experts were ever named, nor were the results of any research ever made public about the chute, except for a statement saying they (Seattle FBI) would no longer discuss it. The Seattle FBI agent said, on this thread, that the FBI consulted Cossey and two others, in addition to other things. No, he didn't mention names -- go figure . Doubtless they told him to keep their names away from the public and out of this crazy house. Robert - you have at times said you were withholding certain things and not making them public - who remembers why - but I 'm sure you thought you had good reason. Carr said the investigation of the chute was done, over and it was not Cooper's. No need to discuss anymore. You want it carbon dated and a team of experts with magnifying glasses, then maybe you can get somewhere with requesting info through FOIA. Go for it. Hey I'd love to see every piece of info too. I just never got the feeling that there was a great "conspiracy" or "ulterior motive" (for want of a better word - don't get defensive) about the chute. Maybe one day something different will come out about the chute. Til then, I'm thinking it is what it is. One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. Hmmm. Good work chasing the cobra through the hayloft! One set of standards for the one; a different set of standards for everyone else. I think Farflung referred to it as: "ass hat". These "ass hatters" always know more than "wage earner sheeple". It must be nice to be Perfect! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #39841 May 2, 2013 QuoteI wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187 What I saw was not as yellow looking at that one. In fact had grey flecks in it and was more whitish/greyish. My memory says the writing was larger, but I only unfolded it just a little and quickly put it back in the console. He immediately wanted to know if I was snooping. This was during the period he lived in the travel trailer at the shop till he could get his bearings. The same time period a plane ticket was charged one way to my credit card. During the same time his friend would after he died told me about walking into the shop and Duane was counting money. The friend insisted it was $100 bills and about 50K. He just thought Duane kept cash in a safe the way he did. This friend was the one who had gone to Tallahasse with him the wkend he disappeared for 2 days leaving the friend to manage the site. The shop was broke into during that time frame - 2 times! After one incident Duane walked to the work room and looked behind the door. "Oh damn they got it" I had NO idea what he was talking about and he didn't tell me - evidently the thief was only after that one thing as nothing else in the shop had been touched. The AC in the window had been torn out to gain access. They had to have had 2 individuals or a ladder to reach that window from the ground, The shop had been broke into before that about a wk or two before. Duane did NOT report the break-ins. Hell, of course at that time I didn't know why and now I do. He was an ex-con!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #39842 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote I wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187 What I saw was not as yellow looking at that one. My memory says the writing was larger, but I only unfolded it just a little and quickly put it back in the console. He immediately wanted to know if I was snooping. This was during the period he lived in the travel trailer at the shop till he could get his bearings. The same time period a plane ticket was charged one way to my credit card. An during the same time his friend would after he died told me about walking into the shop and Duane was counting money. The friend insisted it was $100 bills and about 50K. He just thought Duane kept cash in a safe the what he did. This friend was the one who had gone to Tallahasse with him the wkend he disappeared for 2 days leaving the friend to manage the site. The shop was broke into during that time frame 2 times! After one incident Duane walked to the work room and looked behind the door. "Oh damn they got it" I had NO idea what he was talking about and he didn't tell me - evidently the thief was only after that one thing as nothing else in the shop had been touched. The AC in the window had been torn out to gain access. They had to have had 2 individual or a latter to reach that window from the ground, The shop had been broke into before that about a wk or two. Duane did NOT report the break-ins. Hell, of course at that time I didn't know why and now I do. He was an ex-con! What if Cooper was the guy from Waterworld? Did Duane have gills behind his ears, webbed toes, and a shrunken superior laryngeal nerve which at times made him sounds like a high soprano? Its very possible Cooper just found a creek and swam away, eventually reaching the Columbia. That would account for the money at Tena Bar and your story of a ham sandwich in a paper bag... and smoke jumping and duDop, and the Kennedy assassination, and the Cuban Insurrection, and your early posts on the website for platypus researchers ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #39843 May 2, 2013 Quote In Duane's wallet was piece of 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 fabric with pinked edges. Note I did not say a pink piece of fabric. I told this to JT and to Mr. Himmelsbach during the first yrs. I thought it was a piece of prayer cloth. _________________________________________________ So, Jo, what was Duane doing with a prayer cloth? That's kind of an unusual thing for a career criminal to possess. When did he take up prayer? The only prayer I've ever heard a career criminal pray is, "Don't let me get caught!" Or..... maybe it was like the prayer the little girl prayed really hard for that night -- after she accidentally walked past daddy's computer in the "man cave": "Please God, help daddy get enough money to buy all those girls some clothes." Now, don't get mad, Jo -- it was just a joke. MeyerLouie Then I was only a voice in the wilderness and now 17 yrs later I am still lost, but found a cave where I have dwelled in with my memories. Still shouting out occassionally hoping someone will rescue me from the darkness. Perhaps I shall die in that dark cave of secrets.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MeyerLouie 5 #39844 May 2, 2013 One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. __________________________________________________ I thought I read a report that the landowner cut the lines because he (and the kids) couldn't get it to come out. If so, it's either totally ridiculous or suspicious. If I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #39845 May 2, 2013 Just rooted around in the old wallet wonder what I missed. Did I tell you before it was made of Genuine Ostrich. It is so rotten it falls apart. The stuff that was in the wallet has been shuffle through for yrs now. I did note that it was evident old cards - their numbers are imbedded in the linings of the pockets. The wallet appears to have been WET at one time. His father's obituary was in that old wallet with the John Collins ID and other things. Claudian J. Weber Age 68 400 Valquero Road Acadia, Ca. The funeral was at the Turner, Stevens & turner Mortuary, Alhambra, CA. Buried at Rose Hills Memorial PK. His brother was in Azusa and his sister was in Temple City. Duane was listed since he was in prison as Sacramento, Ca. There is NO date.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #39846 May 2, 2013 Quote That would account for the money at Tena Bar and your story of a ham sandwich in a paper bag... and smoke jumping and duDop, and the Kennedy assassination, and the Cuban Insurrection, and your early posts on the website for platypus researchers ? Georger - that was CRUEL. NO HAM in "my story"! DuDop - yes! Still to this day believe Duane Weber was involved in some 'stuff' from 1962 to 1969 and still had his hand in the pot up until 1983. Would I make it part of HIS story - not unless I could prove it! It is NOT part of the Cooper Story unless you continue to give me a hard time, SIR! Remember Texas!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #39847 May 2, 2013 QuoteIf I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Even more curious - why did AGENT CARR go alone and why was he and he alone allowed to continue to dig! That was my understanding from what was told. NO agent ACTS on his own - there must be a witness to any excavations made.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #39848 May 2, 2013 I thought I read a report that the landowner cut the lines because he (and the kids) couldn't get it to come out. If so, it's either totally ridiculous or suspicious. MeyerLouie [reply thingy thing that doesnt work...)) ______________________________________________ You did and I read a dozen of those reports! The problemo is those reports are not from Jo or Blevins so, ad hoc, those reports are wrong. We have the DB Cooper thread. We have the Jo Weber Duane thread. We have the Blevins knows everything about everything thread. Rarely do they coincide. In fact, I think there is a deeper Tom Kaye thread! So take your choice and place your bets. In order to win your license number must match the DNR number stenciled on a mallard released in 1971, which sooner or later should show in strata on Tena Bar ... to be revealed by guess who! Tom Kaye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #39849 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteIf I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Even more curious - why did AGENT CARR go alone and why was he and he alone allowed to continue to dig! That was my understanding from what was told. NO agent ACTS on his own - there must be a witness to any excavations made. [reply thingy thing that does not work any more] _________________________________________________ Who knows, Jo! Maybe your script writer Queen Margaretta, is a frog? Ribbet ribbet. Meow meow. Mooooo Moooo? The next Full Moon will know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #39850 May 2, 2013 who says the chute had to be in the ground for years? could of been there a short time before it was found?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 Next Page 1594 of 2569 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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mrshutter45 21 #39837 May 2, 2013 I wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #39838 May 2, 2013 In Duane's wallet was piece of 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 fabric with pinked edges. Note I did not say a pink piece of fabric. I told this to JT and to Mr. Himmelsbach during the first yrs. I thought it was a piece of prayer cloth. _________________________________________________ So, Jo, what was Duane doing with a prayer cloth? That's kind of an unusual thing for a career criminal to possess. When did he take up prayer? The only prayer I've ever heard a career criminal pray is, "Don't let me get caught!" Or..... maybe it was like the prayer the little girl prayed really hard for that night -- after she accidentally walked past daddy's computer in the "man cave": "Please God, help daddy get enough money to buy all those girls some clothes." Now, don't get mad, Jo -- it was just a joke. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #39839 May 2, 2013 Quote Robert replies: Name one other outside expert the Seattle FBI consulted on the Amboy chute. Just one. The Seattle FBI, in articles, said they were planning to consult outside experts by telephone regarding the chute. But less than 48 hours after that announcement, they went public with the silk-not-nylon explanation. (after a few minor gaffes along the way) No experts were ever named, nor were the results of any research ever made public about the chute, except for a statement saying they (Seattle FBI) would no longer discuss it. The Seattle FBI agent said, on this thread, that the FBI consulted Cossey and two others, in addition to other things. No, he didn't mention names -- go figure . Doubtless they told him to keep their names away from the public and out of this crazy house. Robert - you have at times said you were withholding certain things and not making them public - who remembers why - but I 'm sure you thought you had good reason. Carr said the investigation of the chute was done, over and it was not Cooper's. No need to discuss anymore. You want it carbon dated and a team of experts with magnifying glasses, then maybe you can get somewhere with requesting info through FOIA. Go for it. Hey I'd love to see every piece of info too. I just never got the feeling that there was a great "conspiracy" or "ulterior motive" (for want of a better word - don't get defensive) about the chute. Maybe one day something different will come out about the chute. Til then, I'm thinking it is what it is. One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39840 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote Robert replies: Name one other outside expert the Seattle FBI consulted on the Amboy chute. Just one. The Seattle FBI, in articles, said they were planning to consult outside experts by telephone regarding the chute. But less than 48 hours after that announcement, they went public with the silk-not-nylon explanation. (after a few minor gaffes along the way) No experts were ever named, nor were the results of any research ever made public about the chute, except for a statement saying they (Seattle FBI) would no longer discuss it. The Seattle FBI agent said, on this thread, that the FBI consulted Cossey and two others, in addition to other things. No, he didn't mention names -- go figure . Doubtless they told him to keep their names away from the public and out of this crazy house. Robert - you have at times said you were withholding certain things and not making them public - who remembers why - but I 'm sure you thought you had good reason. Carr said the investigation of the chute was done, over and it was not Cooper's. No need to discuss anymore. You want it carbon dated and a team of experts with magnifying glasses, then maybe you can get somewhere with requesting info through FOIA. Go for it. Hey I'd love to see every piece of info too. I just never got the feeling that there was a great "conspiracy" or "ulterior motive" (for want of a better word - don't get defensive) about the chute. Maybe one day something different will come out about the chute. Til then, I'm thinking it is what it is. One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. Hmmm. Good work chasing the cobra through the hayloft! One set of standards for the one; a different set of standards for everyone else. I think Farflung referred to it as: "ass hat". These "ass hatters" always know more than "wage earner sheeple". It must be nice to be Perfect! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39841 May 2, 2013 QuoteI wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187 What I saw was not as yellow looking at that one. In fact had grey flecks in it and was more whitish/greyish. My memory says the writing was larger, but I only unfolded it just a little and quickly put it back in the console. He immediately wanted to know if I was snooping. This was during the period he lived in the travel trailer at the shop till he could get his bearings. The same time period a plane ticket was charged one way to my credit card. During the same time his friend would after he died told me about walking into the shop and Duane was counting money. The friend insisted it was $100 bills and about 50K. He just thought Duane kept cash in a safe the way he did. This friend was the one who had gone to Tallahasse with him the wkend he disappeared for 2 days leaving the friend to manage the site. The shop was broke into during that time frame - 2 times! After one incident Duane walked to the work room and looked behind the door. "Oh damn they got it" I had NO idea what he was talking about and he didn't tell me - evidently the thief was only after that one thing as nothing else in the shop had been touched. The AC in the window had been torn out to gain access. They had to have had 2 individuals or a ladder to reach that window from the ground, The shop had been broke into before that about a wk or two before. Duane did NOT report the break-ins. Hell, of course at that time I didn't know why and now I do. He was an ex-con!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39842 May 2, 2013 Quote Quote I wonder if this is the bag similar to what they gave Cooper? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seafirst-Bank-Money-Deposit-Bag-/370577601187 What I saw was not as yellow looking at that one. My memory says the writing was larger, but I only unfolded it just a little and quickly put it back in the console. He immediately wanted to know if I was snooping. This was during the period he lived in the travel trailer at the shop till he could get his bearings. The same time period a plane ticket was charged one way to my credit card. An during the same time his friend would after he died told me about walking into the shop and Duane was counting money. The friend insisted it was $100 bills and about 50K. He just thought Duane kept cash in a safe the what he did. This friend was the one who had gone to Tallahasse with him the wkend he disappeared for 2 days leaving the friend to manage the site. The shop was broke into during that time frame 2 times! After one incident Duane walked to the work room and looked behind the door. "Oh damn they got it" I had NO idea what he was talking about and he didn't tell me - evidently the thief was only after that one thing as nothing else in the shop had been touched. The AC in the window had been torn out to gain access. They had to have had 2 individual or a latter to reach that window from the ground, The shop had been broke into before that about a wk or two. Duane did NOT report the break-ins. Hell, of course at that time I didn't know why and now I do. He was an ex-con! What if Cooper was the guy from Waterworld? Did Duane have gills behind his ears, webbed toes, and a shrunken superior laryngeal nerve which at times made him sounds like a high soprano? Its very possible Cooper just found a creek and swam away, eventually reaching the Columbia. That would account for the money at Tena Bar and your story of a ham sandwich in a paper bag... and smoke jumping and duDop, and the Kennedy assassination, and the Cuban Insurrection, and your early posts on the website for platypus researchers ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39843 May 2, 2013 Quote In Duane's wallet was piece of 1-1/2 by 1-1/2 fabric with pinked edges. Note I did not say a pink piece of fabric. I told this to JT and to Mr. Himmelsbach during the first yrs. I thought it was a piece of prayer cloth. _________________________________________________ So, Jo, what was Duane doing with a prayer cloth? That's kind of an unusual thing for a career criminal to possess. When did he take up prayer? The only prayer I've ever heard a career criminal pray is, "Don't let me get caught!" Or..... maybe it was like the prayer the little girl prayed really hard for that night -- after she accidentally walked past daddy's computer in the "man cave": "Please God, help daddy get enough money to buy all those girls some clothes." Now, don't get mad, Jo -- it was just a joke. MeyerLouie Then I was only a voice in the wilderness and now 17 yrs later I am still lost, but found a cave where I have dwelled in with my memories. Still shouting out occassionally hoping someone will rescue me from the darkness. Perhaps I shall die in that dark cave of secrets.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #39844 May 2, 2013 One of the things that always bugged me about the Amboy chute doesn't really have anything to do with Cooper so much. It's my understanding that the lines were cut. Did the FBI cut the lines or were they already cut as buried. If you're digging anyway - why cut lines? go on and see what's on the other end. My curiosity - no matter how old the chute was and even if I had already ruled it out for being Cooper's, (which may be what happened) would have been to get the entire rig out of the ground. Just because it's a WTH? - how did this rig get out here? kind of thing. Unfortunately we don't have agent Carr to kick around anymore or we could ask him. __________________________________________________ I thought I read a report that the landowner cut the lines because he (and the kids) couldn't get it to come out. If so, it's either totally ridiculous or suspicious. If I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39845 May 2, 2013 Just rooted around in the old wallet wonder what I missed. Did I tell you before it was made of Genuine Ostrich. It is so rotten it falls apart. The stuff that was in the wallet has been shuffle through for yrs now. I did note that it was evident old cards - their numbers are imbedded in the linings of the pockets. The wallet appears to have been WET at one time. His father's obituary was in that old wallet with the John Collins ID and other things. Claudian J. Weber Age 68 400 Valquero Road Acadia, Ca. The funeral was at the Turner, Stevens & turner Mortuary, Alhambra, CA. Buried at Rose Hills Memorial PK. His brother was in Azusa and his sister was in Temple City. Duane was listed since he was in prison as Sacramento, Ca. There is NO date.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39846 May 2, 2013 Quote That would account for the money at Tena Bar and your story of a ham sandwich in a paper bag... and smoke jumping and duDop, and the Kennedy assassination, and the Cuban Insurrection, and your early posts on the website for platypus researchers ? Georger - that was CRUEL. NO HAM in "my story"! DuDop - yes! Still to this day believe Duane Weber was involved in some 'stuff' from 1962 to 1969 and still had his hand in the pot up until 1983. Would I make it part of HIS story - not unless I could prove it! It is NOT part of the Cooper Story unless you continue to give me a hard time, SIR! Remember Texas!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #39847 May 2, 2013 QuoteIf I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Even more curious - why did AGENT CARR go alone and why was he and he alone allowed to continue to dig! That was my understanding from what was told. NO agent ACTS on his own - there must be a witness to any excavations made.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39848 May 2, 2013 I thought I read a report that the landowner cut the lines because he (and the kids) couldn't get it to come out. If so, it's either totally ridiculous or suspicious. MeyerLouie [reply thingy thing that doesnt work...)) ______________________________________________ You did and I read a dozen of those reports! The problemo is those reports are not from Jo or Blevins so, ad hoc, those reports are wrong. We have the DB Cooper thread. We have the Jo Weber Duane thread. We have the Blevins knows everything about everything thread. Rarely do they coincide. In fact, I think there is a deeper Tom Kaye thread! So take your choice and place your bets. In order to win your license number must match the DNR number stenciled on a mallard released in 1971, which sooner or later should show in strata on Tena Bar ... to be revealed by guess who! Tom Kaye. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #39849 May 2, 2013 QuoteQuoteIf I found something mysterious or different or of possible worth buried on my property, I would get a pick and shovel and dig until I got it completely out -- even it took an hour or two. Why would you dig out just a part of a chute, then cut it and leave the rest in the ground? That's silly. This whole Amboy thing just isn't quite right. No one knows where the chute was found or no one is talking, and only part of the chute was dug up. Strange. MeyerLouie Even more curious - why did AGENT CARR go alone and why was he and he alone allowed to continue to dig! That was my understanding from what was told. NO agent ACTS on his own - there must be a witness to any excavations made. [reply thingy thing that does not work any more] _________________________________________________ Who knows, Jo! Maybe your script writer Queen Margaretta, is a frog? Ribbet ribbet. Meow meow. Mooooo Moooo? The next Full Moon will know! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #39850 May 2, 2013 who says the chute had to be in the ground for years? could of been there a short time before it was found?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
