georger 256 #41826 July 31, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only think we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. Sending my Cooper twenty to the museum tomorrow. They have a very fine exhibit set up. I love public museums. Glad to help with this. Snow offered to loan some original 71 NWA schedules one which shows Coopers flight. They already had one. I offered my vintage Seafirst bank bag but they had one of these too. Offered my NB 8 rig. Ditto. 377Quote WW2 spring loaded jumping boots is the tip of the iceberg. You will love other items on the list when it comes out. It's a feast of new claims! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41827 July 31, 2013 Side Note: Can we eliminate the 'cow crapped out the money at Tina Bar' idea? I've raised cows. Anything that goes into their mouths they chew to pieces before swallowing. They're kind of laid back when they eat, LOL. Even partial bundles stuck together with the numbers aligned is very unlikely to exit intact at the other end. Geez. And people say I go overboard sometimes... Quote Nobody has contended that, not even the guy at Vancouver. The issue related to cows was something else. Read the thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41828 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsLOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41829 July 31, 2013 georger*********Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99Quote Was considered - ask Tom directly. (The former Chair of Animal Husbandry U-Wash was consulted. He knows the Fazio's and has been at their farm...). The primary pollutants are methane, ammonia, and nitrates. Is there still a runoff retention ditch behind the road, behind the area where the money was found? Confirm three times or more, anything JT says about the Fazio property and its operations over the years. Im sorry but this is necessary. Georger, There is no "ditch", rather it is a "reservoir" (and a fairly large one) with that briar patch that shows in Meyer Louie's picture (with his cap) being on the top of the western rim of the "reservoir". I had not anticipated this "reservoir" being such a short distance from the money find location. Robert99Quote Yes its large by all accounts. I didnt see it at first on maps but then JT pointed it out to me. And there it is. I think the Faxio were more-or-less mandated to put it in to be in compliance with increasingly restrictive environmental regs. In addition the Faxio and JT told me they never really used the west pasture to graze or keep their cattle, but the east pasture immediately adjacent to the feeding lot. I expected to see contamination in Tom's bills but Tom didn't find levels high enought to warrant that conclusion, if Im recalling this correctly . Did you visit the creeks and area further in and east? you were once most interested in, if I have that correct? Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41830 July 31, 2013 Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41831 July 31, 2013 why don't you just take an ad out in the local newspaper about your worries about safety. those articles you constantly bring up were brought on by you. seems to me this is a personal issue you need to handle off this thread. I don't really care who you linked it to. Quade seems to know Knoss made a lot of those posts. he's still here. you are the only one bringing up things that happened dating as far back as 2011 if not mistaken. phone threats are your problem. people raging and teasing you on other sites are also your problem. these things happen for a reason. obviously you can't see why they are happening or understand why they happen. the bottom line is they are not related to Cooper. they surround you. when I was ghost hunting I also saved the comments. should I constantly post the ones where they said I was a child molester? how much dirty laundry can we post? I rocked the boat by showing there tricks on camera. you seem to constantly rub people the wrong way inviting this behavior. take all of your problems and post them in your local newspaper where it would help you feel more safe."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41832 July 31, 2013 377 Quote he also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack Sending my Cooper twenty to the museum tomorrow. They have a very fine exhibit set up. I love public museums. Glad to help with this. Snow offered to loan some original 71 NWA schedules one which shows Coopers flight. They already had one. I offered my vintage Seafirst bank bag but they had one of these too. Offered my NB 8 rig. Ditto. 377 he also claims that he was trying to put the money in the reserve chute. but wouldn't fit. he said there was D-rings on the harness and attached the dummy chute to the harness?? he said evidence shows a "paratrooper knife" was used to cut the cords vs a standard pocket type of knife. the only sense he really made was some connections to the letters. he goes off the chart again claiming Cooper put his name on the ticket. he said the FBI agreed to this. he stated that the agents would not fill the tickets out over and over with each passenger they confront. he has some really wild connections with McCoy's jump and Cooper's jump. he stated he has been involved with the case for 23 years. his book is coming out very soon. he told me he would send me a copy. he claims the FBI has grown tired of the case, but continues to claim they are closing the case 11/24/13 why would they pick that day if they were tired of the case? this guy seems to have more flags than what was seen in the first Gulf war seems to me that he has a very small window to claim the evidence he will be presenting. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41833 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevins ******LOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 I'm sure it was. (discussed and 'explained') Actually, it IS a flight plan. More or less. I'm not a pilot. Or it is crew notes on a map (weather map?) for a particular flight. The flight existed. And the names of the NWA crew listed are verified as past employees of NWA. All but one, which I could not discover. But then NWA was known for purging their employee files every few years back then to save paper. Ask Bruce Kitt. It's from a 1958 NWA flight that originated in Seattle, stopped at Shemya Island, and continued on from there. I couldn't post up the whole document. It exceeds DZ image restrictions. I only posted a small section of it. It was found in KC's effects after he died. We do have a few original documents regarding that guy somewhere around here....(*smiles*) Oh, yes. The big file cabinet over in the corner. Blevins, I realize you don't know anything about flight plans, flight planning, navigation logs, etc., etc.. But even the Great Blevins calling some pieces of paper one doesn't make them a flight plan. You don't even know what type of information is on a flight plan, who prepares that information, etc.. But you can bet KC didn't prepare the flight plan for any flight he was on. This was discussed years ago. You should get your memory fixed and start reading the posts even if they contradict your pronouncements. Finally, for you information, I have never attended any event in Auburn and won't be attending any in the future. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41834 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsYou keep saying you're not trying to move the flight path without proof, but your posting says different. You think the money only traveled a short distance, which would imply a jump point miles from what the FBI says. Proof is required to claim that, you know. Blevins, You need to start paying attention to what is going on here. For the last several years, I have stated that the FBI's flight path is not believable and have given reasons to support that belief. If you have valid reasons to support the FBI's flight path then this would be a good place to mention them. I suppose that you now also support the FBI's conclusions about the Amboy chute? If not, then why do you believe the FBI about the flight path but not about the Amboy chute? Why don't you just plainly state that the reason you believe one but not the other is because of your scenario about KC? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41835 July 31, 2013 georgerGeorger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41836 July 31, 2013 Robert99 ***Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote I think I know exactly were you are at. When I get over to my other computere tonight I will post a couple of those photos to check out ... its thearea around that containment pool and the general slope and features around the beach (you were talking about last night) that Im concerned about ... I will be back tonight, maybe later tonight depending on the cloud cover - we have a project going. ps: more of the Geivette story is surfacing and in a word it's "wild"! Really funny. I am told Bruce is all over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41837 July 31, 2013 for those who get confused about Navigational maps or even route maps. here is a flight plan document. (see photo) What you put down on that form is far more than just more paperwork. It's an insurance policy that indicates you've done your homework. It could also have a significant payout. if you don't file a flight plane it could be hours or days before someone knows you are missing. a paper form of GPS you could say "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41838 July 31, 2013 Quotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #41839 July 31, 2013 Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41840 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. yes, he was one of the last on the plane. he is comparing the ticket to the 4 letters sent after the hijacking. he also claims to have something from 1958 that belongs to KC. he also said he has multiple signatures of KC. how much of this is true, nobody knows at this point. his story is very strange and hard to swallow. perhaps it's time to call someone on this. I know just the person to find answers he is trying to conceal."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41841 July 31, 2013 matthewcline Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. Matt this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41842 July 31, 2013 "In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41843 August 1, 2013 Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41844 August 1, 2013 ParrotheadVol Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself. if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41845 August 1, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. 377 I am sure he is thinking of those sexy French jump boots. BUT... they do not have "springs" in them just extra thick rubber soles. I think you will find most jump boots in the WWII era were just plain old Corcoran jump boots that were still all the rage even in the 1970'shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1942_Paratrooper_uniform#M42_Jump_Uniform Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41846 August 1, 2013 Robert99Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99 Sorry, I couldn't hesitate. I did snicker a laugh. In a serious note seems like someone in the past did bring that subject up - Cow Piles! Someone else might remember why and how it came up and the extent of the conversation. Oh, now I remember. It was something Fazio said in 2001 about letting the cow on the beach in the past....Doubt it was legal or for any extended time. Perhaps in a drought - if they even have droughts in WA. Just a thought!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41847 August 1, 2013 Quotethis was his answer to KC being short. I found these, they might work! Picture attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41848 August 1, 2013 Quote More to the point, 377, Jo is now sending me XXXXX's and OOOOOO's. After all we're Cooper Kin. Just a family spat... ...ahem....but if there was was o.ooo1 more decibel of volume in her voice my little cabin would have been filled with itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic, if you catch my drift... HAVE no idea what U are talking about. Yes, I got mad back when you told me what you wrote about me - I think I had a right to do so. As for itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic - that is way over my head. I am the only one you addressed negatively in the 1st draft you sent a long time ago. I have not read the final draft. If it is the same - yes, it pisses me off!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41849 August 1, 2013 georger I might be wrong, but seems like I remember that cattle or cows grazed the Fazio property. Would that be significant to your question?Quote The thread is FULL of info about this! It was a major concern at the time. And I (for one) expected to see contamination. To my knowledge Tom reported no such contamination ... which semeed to verify a number of Fazio's claims (to his credit), ie that his cows had never grazed the beach, that his cows had never spent much time in the south pasture adjacent to the rentention ditch above the beachfront, and that none of his cattle runoff had (ever?) reached the beach because there had been testing done by (XY&Z) on specific dates .... etc. This is merely a synopsis of the reaearch that was done on that issue, as I recall it. Well, a tv crew heard the remark about cows being allowed on the beach at times. The Laws regarding doing this were changed over they yrs. It may even have been illegal when Fazio allowed them on the beach in the past. We do know that laws were passed that made it illegal to do so. Mr. H was with us during that conversation. At the time in 2001 it was not the issue it has now became and was not an issue in 1971. There may have been restrictions - but livestock was on those beaches at periods of time.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 Next Page 1674 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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georger 256 #41827 July 31, 2013 Side Note: Can we eliminate the 'cow crapped out the money at Tina Bar' idea? I've raised cows. Anything that goes into their mouths they chew to pieces before swallowing. They're kind of laid back when they eat, LOL. Even partial bundles stuck together with the numbers aligned is very unlikely to exit intact at the other end. Geez. And people say I go overboard sometimes... Quote Nobody has contended that, not even the guy at Vancouver. The issue related to cows was something else. Read the thread? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41828 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsLOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41829 July 31, 2013 georger*********Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99Quote Was considered - ask Tom directly. (The former Chair of Animal Husbandry U-Wash was consulted. He knows the Fazio's and has been at their farm...). The primary pollutants are methane, ammonia, and nitrates. Is there still a runoff retention ditch behind the road, behind the area where the money was found? Confirm three times or more, anything JT says about the Fazio property and its operations over the years. Im sorry but this is necessary. Georger, There is no "ditch", rather it is a "reservoir" (and a fairly large one) with that briar patch that shows in Meyer Louie's picture (with his cap) being on the top of the western rim of the "reservoir". I had not anticipated this "reservoir" being such a short distance from the money find location. Robert99Quote Yes its large by all accounts. I didnt see it at first on maps but then JT pointed it out to me. And there it is. I think the Faxio were more-or-less mandated to put it in to be in compliance with increasingly restrictive environmental regs. In addition the Faxio and JT told me they never really used the west pasture to graze or keep their cattle, but the east pasture immediately adjacent to the feeding lot. I expected to see contamination in Tom's bills but Tom didn't find levels high enought to warrant that conclusion, if Im recalling this correctly . Did you visit the creeks and area further in and east? you were once most interested in, if I have that correct? Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41830 July 31, 2013 Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41831 July 31, 2013 why don't you just take an ad out in the local newspaper about your worries about safety. those articles you constantly bring up were brought on by you. seems to me this is a personal issue you need to handle off this thread. I don't really care who you linked it to. Quade seems to know Knoss made a lot of those posts. he's still here. you are the only one bringing up things that happened dating as far back as 2011 if not mistaken. phone threats are your problem. people raging and teasing you on other sites are also your problem. these things happen for a reason. obviously you can't see why they are happening or understand why they happen. the bottom line is they are not related to Cooper. they surround you. when I was ghost hunting I also saved the comments. should I constantly post the ones where they said I was a child molester? how much dirty laundry can we post? I rocked the boat by showing there tricks on camera. you seem to constantly rub people the wrong way inviting this behavior. take all of your problems and post them in your local newspaper where it would help you feel more safe."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41832 July 31, 2013 377 Quote he also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack Sending my Cooper twenty to the museum tomorrow. They have a very fine exhibit set up. I love public museums. Glad to help with this. Snow offered to loan some original 71 NWA schedules one which shows Coopers flight. They already had one. I offered my vintage Seafirst bank bag but they had one of these too. Offered my NB 8 rig. Ditto. 377 he also claims that he was trying to put the money in the reserve chute. but wouldn't fit. he said there was D-rings on the harness and attached the dummy chute to the harness?? he said evidence shows a "paratrooper knife" was used to cut the cords vs a standard pocket type of knife. the only sense he really made was some connections to the letters. he goes off the chart again claiming Cooper put his name on the ticket. he said the FBI agreed to this. he stated that the agents would not fill the tickets out over and over with each passenger they confront. he has some really wild connections with McCoy's jump and Cooper's jump. he stated he has been involved with the case for 23 years. his book is coming out very soon. he told me he would send me a copy. he claims the FBI has grown tired of the case, but continues to claim they are closing the case 11/24/13 why would they pick that day if they were tired of the case? this guy seems to have more flags than what was seen in the first Gulf war seems to me that he has a very small window to claim the evidence he will be presenting. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41833 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevins ******LOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 I'm sure it was. (discussed and 'explained') Actually, it IS a flight plan. More or less. I'm not a pilot. Or it is crew notes on a map (weather map?) for a particular flight. The flight existed. And the names of the NWA crew listed are verified as past employees of NWA. All but one, which I could not discover. But then NWA was known for purging their employee files every few years back then to save paper. Ask Bruce Kitt. It's from a 1958 NWA flight that originated in Seattle, stopped at Shemya Island, and continued on from there. I couldn't post up the whole document. It exceeds DZ image restrictions. I only posted a small section of it. It was found in KC's effects after he died. We do have a few original documents regarding that guy somewhere around here....(*smiles*) Oh, yes. The big file cabinet over in the corner. Blevins, I realize you don't know anything about flight plans, flight planning, navigation logs, etc., etc.. But even the Great Blevins calling some pieces of paper one doesn't make them a flight plan. You don't even know what type of information is on a flight plan, who prepares that information, etc.. But you can bet KC didn't prepare the flight plan for any flight he was on. This was discussed years ago. You should get your memory fixed and start reading the posts even if they contradict your pronouncements. Finally, for you information, I have never attended any event in Auburn and won't be attending any in the future. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41834 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsYou keep saying you're not trying to move the flight path without proof, but your posting says different. You think the money only traveled a short distance, which would imply a jump point miles from what the FBI says. Proof is required to claim that, you know. Blevins, You need to start paying attention to what is going on here. For the last several years, I have stated that the FBI's flight path is not believable and have given reasons to support that belief. If you have valid reasons to support the FBI's flight path then this would be a good place to mention them. I suppose that you now also support the FBI's conclusions about the Amboy chute? If not, then why do you believe the FBI about the flight path but not about the Amboy chute? Why don't you just plainly state that the reason you believe one but not the other is because of your scenario about KC? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41835 July 31, 2013 georgerGeorger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41836 July 31, 2013 Robert99 ***Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote I think I know exactly were you are at. When I get over to my other computere tonight I will post a couple of those photos to check out ... its thearea around that containment pool and the general slope and features around the beach (you were talking about last night) that Im concerned about ... I will be back tonight, maybe later tonight depending on the cloud cover - we have a project going. ps: more of the Geivette story is surfacing and in a word it's "wild"! Really funny. I am told Bruce is all over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41837 July 31, 2013 for those who get confused about Navigational maps or even route maps. here is a flight plan document. (see photo) What you put down on that form is far more than just more paperwork. It's an insurance policy that indicates you've done your homework. It could also have a significant payout. if you don't file a flight plane it could be hours or days before someone knows you are missing. a paper form of GPS you could say "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41838 July 31, 2013 Quotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #41839 July 31, 2013 Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41840 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. yes, he was one of the last on the plane. he is comparing the ticket to the 4 letters sent after the hijacking. he also claims to have something from 1958 that belongs to KC. he also said he has multiple signatures of KC. how much of this is true, nobody knows at this point. his story is very strange and hard to swallow. perhaps it's time to call someone on this. I know just the person to find answers he is trying to conceal."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41841 July 31, 2013 matthewcline Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. Matt this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41842 July 31, 2013 "In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41843 August 1, 2013 Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41844 August 1, 2013 ParrotheadVol Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself. if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41845 August 1, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. 377 I am sure he is thinking of those sexy French jump boots. BUT... they do not have "springs" in them just extra thick rubber soles. I think you will find most jump boots in the WWII era were just plain old Corcoran jump boots that were still all the rage even in the 1970'shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1942_Paratrooper_uniform#M42_Jump_Uniform Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41846 August 1, 2013 Robert99Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99 Sorry, I couldn't hesitate. I did snicker a laugh. In a serious note seems like someone in the past did bring that subject up - Cow Piles! Someone else might remember why and how it came up and the extent of the conversation. Oh, now I remember. It was something Fazio said in 2001 about letting the cow on the beach in the past....Doubt it was legal or for any extended time. Perhaps in a drought - if they even have droughts in WA. Just a thought!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41847 August 1, 2013 Quotethis was his answer to KC being short. I found these, they might work! Picture attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41848 August 1, 2013 Quote More to the point, 377, Jo is now sending me XXXXX's and OOOOOO's. After all we're Cooper Kin. Just a family spat... ...ahem....but if there was was o.ooo1 more decibel of volume in her voice my little cabin would have been filled with itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic, if you catch my drift... HAVE no idea what U are talking about. Yes, I got mad back when you told me what you wrote about me - I think I had a right to do so. As for itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic - that is way over my head. I am the only one you addressed negatively in the 1st draft you sent a long time ago. I have not read the final draft. If it is the same - yes, it pisses me off!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41849 August 1, 2013 georger I might be wrong, but seems like I remember that cattle or cows grazed the Fazio property. Would that be significant to your question?Quote The thread is FULL of info about this! It was a major concern at the time. And I (for one) expected to see contamination. To my knowledge Tom reported no such contamination ... which semeed to verify a number of Fazio's claims (to his credit), ie that his cows had never grazed the beach, that his cows had never spent much time in the south pasture adjacent to the rentention ditch above the beachfront, and that none of his cattle runoff had (ever?) reached the beach because there had been testing done by (XY&Z) on specific dates .... etc. This is merely a synopsis of the reaearch that was done on that issue, as I recall it. Well, a tv crew heard the remark about cows being allowed on the beach at times. The Laws regarding doing this were changed over they yrs. It may even have been illegal when Fazio allowed them on the beach in the past. We do know that laws were passed that made it illegal to do so. Mr. H was with us during that conversation. At the time in 2001 it was not the issue it has now became and was not an issue in 1971. There may have been restrictions - but livestock was on those beaches at periods of time.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 Next Page 1674 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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georger 256 #41830 July 31, 2013 Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41831 July 31, 2013 why don't you just take an ad out in the local newspaper about your worries about safety. those articles you constantly bring up were brought on by you. seems to me this is a personal issue you need to handle off this thread. I don't really care who you linked it to. Quade seems to know Knoss made a lot of those posts. he's still here. you are the only one bringing up things that happened dating as far back as 2011 if not mistaken. phone threats are your problem. people raging and teasing you on other sites are also your problem. these things happen for a reason. obviously you can't see why they are happening or understand why they happen. the bottom line is they are not related to Cooper. they surround you. when I was ghost hunting I also saved the comments. should I constantly post the ones where they said I was a child molester? how much dirty laundry can we post? I rocked the boat by showing there tricks on camera. you seem to constantly rub people the wrong way inviting this behavior. take all of your problems and post them in your local newspaper where it would help you feel more safe."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41832 July 31, 2013 377 Quote he also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack Sending my Cooper twenty to the museum tomorrow. They have a very fine exhibit set up. I love public museums. Glad to help with this. Snow offered to loan some original 71 NWA schedules one which shows Coopers flight. They already had one. I offered my vintage Seafirst bank bag but they had one of these too. Offered my NB 8 rig. Ditto. 377 he also claims that he was trying to put the money in the reserve chute. but wouldn't fit. he said there was D-rings on the harness and attached the dummy chute to the harness?? he said evidence shows a "paratrooper knife" was used to cut the cords vs a standard pocket type of knife. the only sense he really made was some connections to the letters. he goes off the chart again claiming Cooper put his name on the ticket. he said the FBI agreed to this. he stated that the agents would not fill the tickets out over and over with each passenger they confront. he has some really wild connections with McCoy's jump and Cooper's jump. he stated he has been involved with the case for 23 years. his book is coming out very soon. he told me he would send me a copy. he claims the FBI has grown tired of the case, but continues to claim they are closing the case 11/24/13 why would they pick that day if they were tired of the case? this guy seems to have more flags than what was seen in the first Gulf war seems to me that he has a very small window to claim the evidence he will be presenting. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41833 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevins ******LOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 I'm sure it was. (discussed and 'explained') Actually, it IS a flight plan. More or less. I'm not a pilot. Or it is crew notes on a map (weather map?) for a particular flight. The flight existed. And the names of the NWA crew listed are verified as past employees of NWA. All but one, which I could not discover. But then NWA was known for purging their employee files every few years back then to save paper. Ask Bruce Kitt. It's from a 1958 NWA flight that originated in Seattle, stopped at Shemya Island, and continued on from there. I couldn't post up the whole document. It exceeds DZ image restrictions. I only posted a small section of it. It was found in KC's effects after he died. We do have a few original documents regarding that guy somewhere around here....(*smiles*) Oh, yes. The big file cabinet over in the corner. Blevins, I realize you don't know anything about flight plans, flight planning, navigation logs, etc., etc.. But even the Great Blevins calling some pieces of paper one doesn't make them a flight plan. You don't even know what type of information is on a flight plan, who prepares that information, etc.. But you can bet KC didn't prepare the flight plan for any flight he was on. This was discussed years ago. You should get your memory fixed and start reading the posts even if they contradict your pronouncements. Finally, for you information, I have never attended any event in Auburn and won't be attending any in the future. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41834 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsYou keep saying you're not trying to move the flight path without proof, but your posting says different. You think the money only traveled a short distance, which would imply a jump point miles from what the FBI says. Proof is required to claim that, you know. Blevins, You need to start paying attention to what is going on here. For the last several years, I have stated that the FBI's flight path is not believable and have given reasons to support that belief. If you have valid reasons to support the FBI's flight path then this would be a good place to mention them. I suppose that you now also support the FBI's conclusions about the Amboy chute? If not, then why do you believe the FBI about the flight path but not about the Amboy chute? Why don't you just plainly state that the reason you believe one but not the other is because of your scenario about KC? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 53 #41835 July 31, 2013 georgerGeorger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41836 July 31, 2013 Robert99 ***Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote I think I know exactly were you are at. When I get over to my other computere tonight I will post a couple of those photos to check out ... its thearea around that containment pool and the general slope and features around the beach (you were talking about last night) that Im concerned about ... I will be back tonight, maybe later tonight depending on the cloud cover - we have a project going. ps: more of the Geivette story is surfacing and in a word it's "wild"! Really funny. I am told Bruce is all over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41837 July 31, 2013 for those who get confused about Navigational maps or even route maps. here is a flight plan document. (see photo) What you put down on that form is far more than just more paperwork. It's an insurance policy that indicates you've done your homework. It could also have a significant payout. if you don't file a flight plane it could be hours or days before someone knows you are missing. a paper form of GPS you could say "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41838 July 31, 2013 Quotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #41839 July 31, 2013 Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41840 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. yes, he was one of the last on the plane. he is comparing the ticket to the 4 letters sent after the hijacking. he also claims to have something from 1958 that belongs to KC. he also said he has multiple signatures of KC. how much of this is true, nobody knows at this point. his story is very strange and hard to swallow. perhaps it's time to call someone on this. I know just the person to find answers he is trying to conceal."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41841 July 31, 2013 matthewcline Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. Matt this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41842 July 31, 2013 "In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41843 August 1, 2013 Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41844 August 1, 2013 ParrotheadVol Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself. if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41845 August 1, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. 377 I am sure he is thinking of those sexy French jump boots. BUT... they do not have "springs" in them just extra thick rubber soles. I think you will find most jump boots in the WWII era were just plain old Corcoran jump boots that were still all the rage even in the 1970'shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1942_Paratrooper_uniform#M42_Jump_Uniform Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41846 August 1, 2013 Robert99Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99 Sorry, I couldn't hesitate. I did snicker a laugh. In a serious note seems like someone in the past did bring that subject up - Cow Piles! Someone else might remember why and how it came up and the extent of the conversation. Oh, now I remember. It was something Fazio said in 2001 about letting the cow on the beach in the past....Doubt it was legal or for any extended time. Perhaps in a drought - if they even have droughts in WA. Just a thought!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41847 August 1, 2013 Quotethis was his answer to KC being short. I found these, they might work! Picture attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41848 August 1, 2013 Quote More to the point, 377, Jo is now sending me XXXXX's and OOOOOO's. After all we're Cooper Kin. Just a family spat... ...ahem....but if there was was o.ooo1 more decibel of volume in her voice my little cabin would have been filled with itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic, if you catch my drift... HAVE no idea what U are talking about. Yes, I got mad back when you told me what you wrote about me - I think I had a right to do so. As for itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic - that is way over my head. I am the only one you addressed negatively in the 1st draft you sent a long time ago. I have not read the final draft. If it is the same - yes, it pisses me off!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41849 August 1, 2013 georger I might be wrong, but seems like I remember that cattle or cows grazed the Fazio property. Would that be significant to your question?Quote The thread is FULL of info about this! It was a major concern at the time. And I (for one) expected to see contamination. To my knowledge Tom reported no such contamination ... which semeed to verify a number of Fazio's claims (to his credit), ie that his cows had never grazed the beach, that his cows had never spent much time in the south pasture adjacent to the rentention ditch above the beachfront, and that none of his cattle runoff had (ever?) reached the beach because there had been testing done by (XY&Z) on specific dates .... etc. This is merely a synopsis of the reaearch that was done on that issue, as I recall it. Well, a tv crew heard the remark about cows being allowed on the beach at times. The Laws regarding doing this were changed over they yrs. It may even have been illegal when Fazio allowed them on the beach in the past. We do know that laws were passed that made it illegal to do so. Mr. H was with us during that conversation. At the time in 2001 it was not the issue it has now became and was not an issue in 1971. There may have been restrictions - but livestock was on those beaches at periods of time.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 Next Page 1674 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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mrshutter45 21 #41831 July 31, 2013 why don't you just take an ad out in the local newspaper about your worries about safety. those articles you constantly bring up were brought on by you. seems to me this is a personal issue you need to handle off this thread. I don't really care who you linked it to. Quade seems to know Knoss made a lot of those posts. he's still here. you are the only one bringing up things that happened dating as far back as 2011 if not mistaken. phone threats are your problem. people raging and teasing you on other sites are also your problem. these things happen for a reason. obviously you can't see why they are happening or understand why they happen. the bottom line is they are not related to Cooper. they surround you. when I was ghost hunting I also saved the comments. should I constantly post the ones where they said I was a child molester? how much dirty laundry can we post? I rocked the boat by showing there tricks on camera. you seem to constantly rub people the wrong way inviting this behavior. take all of your problems and post them in your local newspaper where it would help you feel more safe."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41832 July 31, 2013 377 Quote he also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack Sending my Cooper twenty to the museum tomorrow. They have a very fine exhibit set up. I love public museums. Glad to help with this. Snow offered to loan some original 71 NWA schedules one which shows Coopers flight. They already had one. I offered my vintage Seafirst bank bag but they had one of these too. Offered my NB 8 rig. Ditto. 377 he also claims that he was trying to put the money in the reserve chute. but wouldn't fit. he said there was D-rings on the harness and attached the dummy chute to the harness?? he said evidence shows a "paratrooper knife" was used to cut the cords vs a standard pocket type of knife. the only sense he really made was some connections to the letters. he goes off the chart again claiming Cooper put his name on the ticket. he said the FBI agreed to this. he stated that the agents would not fill the tickets out over and over with each passenger they confront. he has some really wild connections with McCoy's jump and Cooper's jump. he stated he has been involved with the case for 23 years. his book is coming out very soon. he told me he would send me a copy. he claims the FBI has grown tired of the case, but continues to claim they are closing the case 11/24/13 why would they pick that day if they were tired of the case? this guy seems to have more flags than what was seen in the first Gulf war seems to me that he has a very small window to claim the evidence he will be presenting. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41833 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevins ******LOL maybe he thinks the 1958 flight plan I posted up with Kenny's name on it (Seattle to Japan) was filled out by Kenny. I think that job would be reserved for the pilots, not the purser. Blevins, That piece of paper you posted was NOT a flight plan. This was discussed and explained to death when you posted it. Robert99 I'm sure it was. (discussed and 'explained') Actually, it IS a flight plan. More or less. I'm not a pilot. Or it is crew notes on a map (weather map?) for a particular flight. The flight existed. And the names of the NWA crew listed are verified as past employees of NWA. All but one, which I could not discover. But then NWA was known for purging their employee files every few years back then to save paper. Ask Bruce Kitt. It's from a 1958 NWA flight that originated in Seattle, stopped at Shemya Island, and continued on from there. I couldn't post up the whole document. It exceeds DZ image restrictions. I only posted a small section of it. It was found in KC's effects after he died. We do have a few original documents regarding that guy somewhere around here....(*smiles*) Oh, yes. The big file cabinet over in the corner. Blevins, I realize you don't know anything about flight plans, flight planning, navigation logs, etc., etc.. But even the Great Blevins calling some pieces of paper one doesn't make them a flight plan. You don't even know what type of information is on a flight plan, who prepares that information, etc.. But you can bet KC didn't prepare the flight plan for any flight he was on. This was discussed years ago. You should get your memory fixed and start reading the posts even if they contradict your pronouncements. Finally, for you information, I have never attended any event in Auburn and won't be attending any in the future. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41834 July 31, 2013 RobertMBlevinsYou keep saying you're not trying to move the flight path without proof, but your posting says different. You think the money only traveled a short distance, which would imply a jump point miles from what the FBI says. Proof is required to claim that, you know. Blevins, You need to start paying attention to what is going on here. For the last several years, I have stated that the FBI's flight path is not believable and have given reasons to support that belief. If you have valid reasons to support the FBI's flight path then this would be a good place to mention them. I suppose that you now also support the FBI's conclusions about the Amboy chute? If not, then why do you believe the FBI about the flight path but not about the Amboy chute? Why don't you just plainly state that the reason you believe one but not the other is because of your scenario about KC? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41835 July 31, 2013 georgerGeorger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41836 July 31, 2013 Robert99 ***Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote I think I know exactly were you are at. When I get over to my other computere tonight I will post a couple of those photos to check out ... its thearea around that containment pool and the general slope and features around the beach (you were talking about last night) that Im concerned about ... I will be back tonight, maybe later tonight depending on the cloud cover - we have a project going. ps: more of the Geivette story is surfacing and in a word it's "wild"! Really funny. I am told Bruce is all over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41837 July 31, 2013 for those who get confused about Navigational maps or even route maps. here is a flight plan document. (see photo) What you put down on that form is far more than just more paperwork. It's an insurance policy that indicates you've done your homework. It could also have a significant payout. if you don't file a flight plane it could be hours or days before someone knows you are missing. a paper form of GPS you could say "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41838 July 31, 2013 Quotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #41839 July 31, 2013 Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41840 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. yes, he was one of the last on the plane. he is comparing the ticket to the 4 letters sent after the hijacking. he also claims to have something from 1958 that belongs to KC. he also said he has multiple signatures of KC. how much of this is true, nobody knows at this point. his story is very strange and hard to swallow. perhaps it's time to call someone on this. I know just the person to find answers he is trying to conceal."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41841 July 31, 2013 matthewcline Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. Matt this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41842 July 31, 2013 "In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41843 August 1, 2013 Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41844 August 1, 2013 ParrotheadVol Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself. if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41845 August 1, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. 377 I am sure he is thinking of those sexy French jump boots. BUT... they do not have "springs" in them just extra thick rubber soles. I think you will find most jump boots in the WWII era were just plain old Corcoran jump boots that were still all the rage even in the 1970'shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1942_Paratrooper_uniform#M42_Jump_Uniform Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41846 August 1, 2013 Robert99Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99 Sorry, I couldn't hesitate. I did snicker a laugh. In a serious note seems like someone in the past did bring that subject up - Cow Piles! Someone else might remember why and how it came up and the extent of the conversation. Oh, now I remember. It was something Fazio said in 2001 about letting the cow on the beach in the past....Doubt it was legal or for any extended time. Perhaps in a drought - if they even have droughts in WA. Just a thought!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41847 August 1, 2013 Quotethis was his answer to KC being short. I found these, they might work! Picture attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41848 August 1, 2013 Quote More to the point, 377, Jo is now sending me XXXXX's and OOOOOO's. After all we're Cooper Kin. Just a family spat... ...ahem....but if there was was o.ooo1 more decibel of volume in her voice my little cabin would have been filled with itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic, if you catch my drift... HAVE no idea what U are talking about. Yes, I got mad back when you told me what you wrote about me - I think I had a right to do so. As for itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic - that is way over my head. I am the only one you addressed negatively in the 1st draft you sent a long time ago. I have not read the final draft. If it is the same - yes, it pisses me off!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41849 August 1, 2013 georger I might be wrong, but seems like I remember that cattle or cows grazed the Fazio property. Would that be significant to your question?Quote The thread is FULL of info about this! It was a major concern at the time. And I (for one) expected to see contamination. To my knowledge Tom reported no such contamination ... which semeed to verify a number of Fazio's claims (to his credit), ie that his cows had never grazed the beach, that his cows had never spent much time in the south pasture adjacent to the rentention ditch above the beachfront, and that none of his cattle runoff had (ever?) reached the beach because there had been testing done by (XY&Z) on specific dates .... etc. This is merely a synopsis of the reaearch that was done on that issue, as I recall it. Well, a tv crew heard the remark about cows being allowed on the beach at times. The Laws regarding doing this were changed over they yrs. It may even have been illegal when Fazio allowed them on the beach in the past. We do know that laws were passed that made it illegal to do so. Mr. H was with us during that conversation. At the time in 2001 it was not the issue it has now became and was not an issue in 1971. There may have been restrictions - but livestock was on those beaches at periods of time.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 Next Page 1674 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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georger 256 #41836 July 31, 2013 Robert99 ***Georger, I can only speak for myself on this point but after seeing the containment area, and how it is relatively isolated from the rest of the Fazio property by small rises in the ground contours, I see no way that the money could have entered the river coming from the north, east, or south unless it was already within the "basin" that also includes the containment area. These small changes in elevations cannot be seen on any map that I have found of Tina Bar but are readily visible to the naked eye. Robert99 Quote when you get a moment could you jot in a rectangle or something on a map that defines this area ... even something penciled in on a map then scanned ...? ... to keep in mind for future referece. sounds like you and Meyer had a good fun trip .. I envy it! Thanks G Georger, I don't have a scanner at the present time due to my AIO printer having a disaster a few months ago and I am not going to replace it (but I am planning to get a separate scanner). The area of interest is shown on some of the photos you sent me a few years ago. If you can find one of your most detailed photos, with the money find location indicated, then the containment pond is clearly visible. I am looking at a 13 x 19 inch blow up of one of your pictures and the containment pond looks brown in color on this picture. There is now also a lot more vegetation than shown in this picture. If you can find a copy of this photo, then I can point out exactly everywhere Meyer Louie and I went. Robert99 Quote I think I know exactly were you are at. When I get over to my other computere tonight I will post a couple of those photos to check out ... its thearea around that containment pool and the general slope and features around the beach (you were talking about last night) that Im concerned about ... I will be back tonight, maybe later tonight depending on the cloud cover - we have a project going. ps: more of the Geivette story is surfacing and in a word it's "wild"! Really funny. I am told Bruce is all over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41837 July 31, 2013 for those who get confused about Navigational maps or even route maps. here is a flight plan document. (see photo) What you put down on that form is far more than just more paperwork. It's an insurance policy that indicates you've done your homework. It could also have a significant payout. if you don't file a flight plane it could be hours or days before someone knows you are missing. a paper form of GPS you could say "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41838 July 31, 2013 Quotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #41839 July 31, 2013 Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41840 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe was positive that Cooper wrote his name on the ticket Attached is a copy of the entire DB Cooper plane ticket. I don't know what the procedures were back then, but some of the ticket appears to be typed and some of it appears to be handwritten.... the handwritten parts looks like last minute items that were added such as the Dan Cooper name. In addition to the last minute handwriting there appears to be a last minute stamp of "used Nov 24 71 305" (stamp slanted at an angle) I think Cooper might have been one of the last people on the plane. Maybe this is why the ticket guy hand wrote his name. Again, I don't know what the usual procedures were. yes, he was one of the last on the plane. he is comparing the ticket to the 4 letters sent after the hijacking. he also claims to have something from 1958 that belongs to KC. he also said he has multiple signatures of KC. how much of this is true, nobody knows at this point. his story is very strange and hard to swallow. perhaps it's time to call someone on this. I know just the person to find answers he is trying to conceal."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41841 July 31, 2013 matthewcline Maybe he meant the French Para's Jump Boot? It is said to have a "springier" sole. But they too look very much like a boot, not dress shoes. Matt this is what I found...Men Vintage PARA SAUT France Paraboot Black Leather Jump Combat Lace Up Boots Size 9 (see photo) you would see him a mile away walking around in these.... this was his answer to KC being short....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41842 July 31, 2013 "In reality, it's too bad the flight crew weren't able to somehow drag out an Instamatic" funny you mention this. he has this in his story....."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParrotheadVol 70 #41843 August 1, 2013 Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41844 August 1, 2013 ParrotheadVol Well, if they had an Instamatic, they could have just took a picture of Uncle LD himself. if she would of picked the phone up. I'd bet she could of found out exactly were Uncle LD was in 73,74,75 etc. or did she already know "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41845 August 1, 2013 377 Quotehe also claims he had WW2 spring loaded jumping boots Never heard of such WW 2 boots. Amazon? Airtwardo? Guru? These Whuffos really get gear configuration all twisted up. Imagine Cooper outfitted by them. Spring loaded jump boots, chest reserve clipped on over the NB 8 container on the jumpers back, the only thing we are missing is the Bell Jet Pack. 377 I am sure he is thinking of those sexy French jump boots. BUT... they do not have "springs" in them just extra thick rubber soles. I think you will find most jump boots in the WWII era were just plain old Corcoran jump boots that were still all the rage even in the 1970'shttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-1942_Paratrooper_uniform#M42_Jump_Uniform Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41846 August 1, 2013 Robert99Somebody needs to ask this question and I guess I'll have to do it. WARNING - THIS QUESTION MAY NOT BE SUITABLE TO SENSITIVE POSTERS (BUT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT THE CASE IN VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON HERE). Does anyone know if Tom Kaye's team, or anyone else, has found, on the money or elsewhere, any evidence that would point to contamination by anything that would be fed to cows or excreted by them? Since cows today are pumped full of exotic chemicals, some of which may be even more exotic after going through the cow's system, just about anything is possible here. This is a serious question, no snickering please. Robert99 Sorry, I couldn't hesitate. I did snicker a laugh. In a serious note seems like someone in the past did bring that subject up - Cow Piles! Someone else might remember why and how it came up and the extent of the conversation. Oh, now I remember. It was something Fazio said in 2001 about letting the cow on the beach in the past....Doubt it was legal or for any extended time. Perhaps in a drought - if they even have droughts in WA. Just a thought!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41847 August 1, 2013 Quotethis was his answer to KC being short. I found these, they might work! Picture attached. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41848 August 1, 2013 Quote More to the point, 377, Jo is now sending me XXXXX's and OOOOOO's. After all we're Cooper Kin. Just a family spat... ...ahem....but if there was was o.ooo1 more decibel of volume in her voice my little cabin would have been filled with itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic, if you catch my drift... HAVE no idea what U are talking about. Yes, I got mad back when you told me what you wrote about me - I think I had a right to do so. As for itty, bitty shards of Japanese plastic - that is way over my head. I am the only one you addressed negatively in the 1st draft you sent a long time ago. I have not read the final draft. If it is the same - yes, it pisses me off!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41849 August 1, 2013 georger I might be wrong, but seems like I remember that cattle or cows grazed the Fazio property. Would that be significant to your question?Quote The thread is FULL of info about this! It was a major concern at the time. And I (for one) expected to see contamination. To my knowledge Tom reported no such contamination ... which semeed to verify a number of Fazio's claims (to his credit), ie that his cows had never grazed the beach, that his cows had never spent much time in the south pasture adjacent to the rentention ditch above the beachfront, and that none of his cattle runoff had (ever?) reached the beach because there had been testing done by (XY&Z) on specific dates .... etc. This is merely a synopsis of the reaearch that was done on that issue, as I recall it. Well, a tv crew heard the remark about cows being allowed on the beach at times. The Laws regarding doing this were changed over they yrs. It may even have been illegal when Fazio allowed them on the beach in the past. We do know that laws were passed that made it illegal to do so. Mr. H was with us during that conversation. At the time in 2001 it was not the issue it has now became and was not an issue in 1971. There may have been restrictions - but livestock was on those beaches at periods of time.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1669 1670 1671 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 Next Page 1674 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 51 51
mrshutter45 21 #41850 August 1, 2013 I would say you would have to put a lot of false memory in the passenger accounts. they had no reason to pay attention to him. if I seen you walk into a store and noticed you passed the same guy several times. I wonder if you could tell me how old he was, weather he had a round jaw etc. nobody claimed seeing a wig or makeup on Cooper. these are hard facts to get around. Tina said she had to look up at him. very hard to dispute. she was calm enough to interact with him, take part in notes etc. everyone see's things differently. a friend could call you and say he ran out of gas and walked at least a mile and a half. you show up and take him to his car and realize it was only about a half a mile. is the drawing of Cooper close? who knows. it's funny how all of you put your suspect right beside him though. then claim descriptions could be incorrect on his hair, eyes, height etc. you have shown how bad witnesses can be on composites, but you have KC right beside the drawing. I've said it many times. this is much different than the average crime that last only seconds and descriptions are bad in these cases, but not all the time. this crime lasted hours. I'm sure it was an eternity for a few. they were able to look long and hard at him. this is also different than other unsolved cases like Alcatraz & Hoffa. it's a little harder to create a suspect since there backgrounds are known. only false sightings can spawn from them. I would tend to think the description will be better than the composite. Williams said it was off, Flo said the same, but I don't recall the height or weight being an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
