DB Cooper

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Jo States:

I agreed that is one thing that has bothered me for some time - the new system is confusing to some, because the poster does NOT take the time to read thru and address the post.

NOW, for what I did tonight! I found a site I feel was started by and for Galen Cook, but it is what is on the site - things I didn't know or if they were made available before I didn't know how to down load the items to read.

The actual notes taken by Tina:
WHAT struck me was something I will NEVER EVER forget. When Duane was in the hospital and his last words before he died. He was heavily drugged by that time.

Some of you can go back in the thread and find my quotes, but what I did not know and certainly did NOT have access to when I contacted the FBI in 1996 was any information about the crime, other than what was written in Max Gunthers book.

Remember my words - they are written in my planner right after he said them. I am sure the ink could be dated and prove this to be so.

I was writing a letter when Duane started talking in his drugged stupor so I wrote down what he said:

"Take the Baby downstairs"
"Bring the Baby back up the stairs"
"I can't go till the Baby get's here"

It was only moments later he said "I love you" and then the death gurgle - the first I had ever heard it in my life.

Those words have haunted me all of these yrs. I had guessed he was talking about my daughter who was expecting and/or the step-daughter who had to give away her baby.

Reading the notes Tina wrote on the plane - when I read what she wrote - it was like I was sitting in that hospital when he said the words. NO way Weber ever had access to the notes written by Tina, but he was sitting right beside her.

It is about her going down the stairs and the coming back up the stairs before the passengers would be allowed off the plane. The way it is phrased in the actual note.

I will try to do a link to the site and hope it works -but, u guys know how poorly I do things like that.

There is NO QUESTION in my mind that Duane Weber was indeed Dan Cooper! NOT after I read those words. Remember I have this on tape and in notes to Himmelsbach and to the FBI. Anyone who knows me knows the story about what he said that afternoon. His last words!

Until this thread I had NO access to the notes written by Tina.
Perhaps it is just the brevitity of the words - but it left me with tears running down my face when I read it tonight.

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A boatload of posts here are misdirected in the header box. Then again, sometimes people get it right. Most don't even notice after a while. I'll try to remember, but I'm going to expect you to drop your same reminder on anyone else who forgets as well.

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Define "boatload". Can you, Patches?

The only load in a cargo container here, ist yous.

The only person who misdirects posts is you!

You try to reply to everyone off one person you pick at random,
not to the people addressing you ....... and sometimes nobody IS
addressing you so you reply to the first person handy in order to
wade in to spread your wisdom and expertise -

We know who the Troll is here, Patches.

Will it change? (no)

Do you care (no).

Is it a technique you employ (yes).

Is it you and only you for the mostpart? (yes)

So "boatload" is you!

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Since the THREAD is at a stand still this means things are happening - football and baseball and hopefully the conclusion of the D.B. Cooper saga.

I know I have been hitting the media hard and heavy - none of you know what I have been doing. Unlike Marla or Blevins or Galen - I needed more, before I made the plunge. I had read all the wannabe stuff and found they rode on the coat-tails of the story I told to the FBI in 1996 and until 2001, but I was not heard.

How skillful the FBI and the Government were in evading the obvious, but perhaps I know why they did so. The government would need to cover its own ass - because of the association Duane had with key individuals in an operation...like the comic character there was another side to Weber - one that even I would never know. Perhaps he had multiple personalities also...but I fell in love with the only one I knew. Would I or could I have loved the other man I have learned so much about?

His life and our life depended on his keeping secrets! Of course there will always be that doubt in my mind about WHY he married me. His alias was my name and why he quizzed me so much about the family names on that 1st meeting in Atlanta, Ga.

When he left Colorado in 1980 headed to supposedly Alabama - where I did not even know his location for 2 months - was he just going to do a disappearing act one last time.

Who did he see and who did he talk to - was his very existance as a free man depending on what I did not comprehend or might find out about Cooper when the media frenzy was going on about the money find? He knew he had told me TOO MUCH on the trip to WA in 1979 and what would have happend to me had I been able to make the connections in 1980.

How many other individuals would Duane's past have affected?

Yet, he came back for me and for my daughter and in the end he tried to tell me what I would need to know. He died believing his secret would die with him - when I did not grasp what he was telling me....because I never found what he had left and when I did it was too late - I had discarded so much. I moved on with my life, but it was short lived. A happen chance conversation with a suitor was what led me to the past of Weber.

What would my life have been like had I never have known who he really was? I believe from the things he tried to tell me that last yr of his life he wanted his secret known. He left clues, but I had no knowledge of the crime other than the brief reading of the crime in 1971 and then the money find in 1980.

Will anyone ever listen or believe me? The only reason the FBI would need to cover it up would be if there was other involvements - or activities other than Duane being a common criminal. Galen Cook was involved with the UNIONS and remember he was the first interested person to contact me! Perhaps his job if this is true - was to divert me...and to divert others. How many suspects did Galen have? Galen was pushy with me and perhaps only trying to find out how much I knew. NOW, since he is involved - that makes his actions very suspect. NO one - not the FBI, the government nor Cook knew some guys on the internet would provide me with the things that made it all possible.

Perhaps Cook involvment with the case has been a diversion for a purpose.

Yet, Cook is still pushing his suspect - an unlikely suspect or is he just feeding off of the frenzy to solve this thing. Perhaps he just got involved and wanted to make a name for himself. I still have all the emails I exchanged with Cook - so I can prove he used me and diverted the information to his suspect. He was coercive in his phone call to me yrs ago - using his attorney cross examination tactics. That only made me mad and more determined.

He has been quoted as having stated he had too much invested in this to let it go. So he waits until Jo is pushing the end stage of her life - then he can make anyone he wants to be Cooper other than Weber. It is all about the cause!

The revealment of WEBER being Cooper would possibly sully too many reputations or make the authorities look bad.

There is one other solution! Weber just a common criminal who actual beat the system or was there actually more to it.

You'll Never Know if YOU Don't Know Now! The ending has not been written, yet. The authorities are the ones who determine the ENDING!

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A boatload of posts here are misdirected in the header box. Then again, sometimes people get it right. Most don't even notice after a while. I'll try to remember, but I'm going to expect you to drop your same reminder on anyone else who forgets as well.

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Define "boatload". Can you, Patches?

The only load in a cargo container here, ist yous.

The only person who misdirects posts is you!

You try to reply to everyone off one person you pick at random,
not to the people addressing you ....... and sometimes nobody IS
addressing you so you reply to the first person handy in order to
wade in to spread your wisdom and expertise -

We know who the Troll is here, Patches.

Will it change? (no)

Do you care (no).

Is it a technique you employ (yes).

Is it you and only you for the mostpart? (yes)

So "boatload" is you!





I'm really busy this week. Maybe you should drop your rambling on someone else. Nice touch making fun of the dead guy who was loved by practically everyone in the Northwest.

Yeah, you'll garner a lot of friends by doing that. Well, maybe not.

You call me a troll, but when you hit bottom, you simply reached for the shovel.

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That's right - change the subject! Keep up the hypocrisy
Patches. Then blamming others for it! Did Patches teach ya
that? Let's call it your "Patches Defense". Spoiled by tv
programming designed to make misanthropes ? And you thought
it was everyone else on trial since you appeared on the scene!
More venom and violence on the playground!

When the 3 year old case managers arrive hide your jewels!
Wage Earner Sheeple are vulnerable to more advanced
civilsations who attack with wormy truths!

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That's right - change the subject! Keep up the hypocrisy
Patches. Then blamming others for it! Did Patches teach ya
that? Let's call it your "Patches Defense". Spoiled by tv
programming designed to make misanthropes ? And you thought
it was everyone else on trial since you appeared on the scene!
More venom and violence on the playground!

When the 3 year old case managers arrive hide your jewels!
Wage Earner Sheeple are vulnerable to more advanced
civilsations who attack with wormy truths!

So when are you going to stop with the copious amounts of very childish attacks??

Talk about loading and it ain't boats

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That's right - change the subject! Keep up the hypocrisy
Patches. Then blamming others for it! Did Patches teach ya
that? Let's call it your "Patches Defense". Spoiled by tv
programming designed to make misanthropes ? And you thought
it was everyone else on trial since you appeared on the scene!
More venom and violence on the playground!

When the 3 year old case managers arrive hide your jewels!
Wage Earner Sheeple are vulnerable to more advanced
civilsations who attack with wormy truths!

So when are you going to stop with the copious amounts of very childish attacks??

Talk about loading and it ain't boats

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Uhh duhhh: last time I checked the topic was DB Cooper not
Patches or TV programming for Kids or your topic above morphed
by Blevins off Robt99's statement about WEATHER! ??? !

When are you and Blevins going to MOVE ON - ON TOPIC - AS
PROMISED?

THATS THE ISSUE!

What is there about "on topic" you people don't understand?

Here: let me direct you back to the topic...

What was the closure time of the rear stairs in the DB Cooper
Hijacking 727 tests? Why is that important?

And why has it taken since March to get back to this after
diversion after diversion by . . .

Or, you could bring up an On Topic topic? Is there anything
in the Cooper case that interests you? I mean if you want to
runt his class give us some direction vs smarm? But at least stay
ON TOPIC! ??? every now and then? I keep trying but it keeps
falling off the rail ? ? ?

I didn't bring up Patches ? !

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RobertMBlevins

Come on, Georger. Face it. You overreacted to my original post. I was just giving my personal experience of the weather on the day of the hijacking. SeaTac Airport is like a dozen miles from the place I grew up. There wasn't any storm. Nasty NW drizzle, though. Grey and depressing. No storm.

JP was just a side note. Was watching it when they cut in, or maybe it had just ended. Not a real big deal. What WAS a big deal (around here, anyway) was when Chris Wedes (JP) died last year. You should have seen it. People were crying all over the damn place...including yes...(*blushes*) ME.

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I see a pattern here. It's been firmly established.

I know nothing about Chris Wedes (who ever that is) of what's
it's got to do with the Cooper Thread here. This is nothing more
or less than an alternate Newsvine column for you, while others
are here because it's supposed to be a DB Cooper Thread. You
post all of your crap here then Aamazon chimes in to defend you
and I see a pattern:

Aamazon's sharp tone indicates that SHE thinks this thread is a
bunch of bullshit ... and she and a few fellow skydivers have
solved the DB Cooper case, long ago, and Aamazon has solved
it, since the rest of us are too stupid to see through it! And of
course you ride her coatails with equal stature and
accomplishment.

There it is: as clear as I can put it.

Explain the DB Cooper case to the rest of us since you know the
solution? Or if it does not matter or is private information, you
might give us a hint about that too so some of us can bugger off
and let you superior being have your Esteemed Select club.

[georger 245]

I already made a Cooper-related post above. It's about Cossey. I
just can't figure out why the cops haven't at least ID'd a 'person
of interest' yet.

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And so did I, clear back in MARCH! STILL WAITING ..... !!!!!

How many seconds or fractions of seconds for the rear stair
closure in the 727 Cooper flight test ? The answer might give
cause to think ... ? But you obviously already know everything.

SO TELL US! Aamazon?

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RobertMBlevins

I just can't figure out why the cops haven't at least ID'd a 'person of interest' yet.

Blevins, Maybe the cops are trying to catch the killer, which is what they get paid to do, rather than provide fragments of information for some wild-eyed speculations by posters on this thread.

So get off the cops backs. And same for the FBI.

Robert99

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Uhh duhhh: last time I checked the topic was DB Cooper not
Patches or TV programming for Kids or your topic above morphed
by Blevins off Robt99's statement about WEATHER! ??? !

Then stay on topic... and stop attacking other posters...

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I mean if you want to
runt his class give us some direction vs smarm? But at least stay
ON TOPIC! ??? every now and then? I keep trying but it keeps
falling off the rail ? ? ?

Then stay on topic... and stop attacking other posters...


OH and as far as SMARM goes... quit projecting onto others that with which you are so full of little grasshopper

Why not go back over to your super secret Cooper site... that you want to ban me from.. please.. go because frankly my dear I have never been there... and more importantly.... I don't give a damn.

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Uhh duhhh: last time I checked the topic was DB Cooper not
Patches or TV programming for Kids or your topic above morphed
by Blevins off Robt99's statement about WEATHER! ??? !

Then stay on topic... and stop attacking other posters...

***I mean if you want to
runt his class give us some direction vs smarm? But at least stay
ON TOPIC! ??? every now and then? I keep trying but it keeps
falling off the rail ? ? ?

Then stay on topic... and stop attacking other posters...


OH and as far as SMARM goes... quit projecting onto others that with which you are so full of little grasshopper

Why not go back over to your super secret Cooper site... that you want to ban me from.. please.. go because frankly my dear I have never been there... and more importantly.... I don't give a damn.

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STAY ON TOPIC! ? ? ? ? ?

You have me confused with somebody else ...

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I happen to catch a rerun of the National Geographic show "The SkyJacker that got Away"

Starring!

Coss, Kaye, Carr and a cast of many.

My take aways....

Coss thinks Cooper was inexperieced

Kaye thinks Cooper is Dead and thinks Cooper body, parachute and money got pulled "up-river" by the prop of a ship. The prop action and pulling might have caused the money bag to rip open, allowing the bundles of money to come out and deposit at Tena Bar. Cooper body probably in the ocean.

Carr thinks Cooper is dead.

My take on Kaye and Carr thinking Cooper is dead (a) only evidence found on the ground was the small amount of money (b) money was found on a river bank (c) He must have hit the cold water and died in the cold water.

If I was to believe them, then I would think Cooper had a death wish.

Oh Yea....something was said about KC but I only watched the last 1/2 hour.

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I watched it also, as well as the show on the Unabomber that was on before it. I've seen it before, but can never pass up another viewing. I even DVR'd both of them to watch again later. Watching both shows, the thing that stood out to me was how little, at least to me, that Kaczynski looked like the police sketch. Wonder how little our guy looks like any of the sketches?

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Wish I could have seen the video. The only way I get to watch any of those is if someone puts them on a DVD and sends them to me. I have a little 9inch player for DVD's. I bought it so I could see the clips people sent me. My old VCR can't be played with the converter box on my old TV.

Until the Converter boxes came out I could watch tapes on it.

My budget which I am way over on right now because of car repairs and medication - has NO stretching room in it for cable or any of that stuff I wouldn't be able to use anyway. Hard enough just to use the converter remote and the TV remote.

I have had a REAL bad day. Today I have a temperature and my glands are swollen - pretty miserable.

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RobertMBlevins

Not enough evidence to say either way. That Tina Bar money created more questions than it actually answered. The biggest reason being it was discovered some distance away from the *official* flight path.

I believe SafeCrack was the first person to make that observation, so make a new one! So what deductions does one make?

1. A bungling criminal who always got caught pulls of the BIG one and then goes straight or NOT!

2. Was it a group or one man. More than one survivor and it is no secret anymore.

3. If there were 2 individuals - one survived and one died or they were so closely connected they would put down their life for the other.

4. Cooper was the soul perpetrator and he died in the act.

The money on the bank of the river. I was with Duane when he went to the river at 3 locations where he had an opportunity to plant money or evidence. There was also the crossing of the river earlier that day over to OR from the hwy - to St Helen, OR- not in Vancouver as JT tried to claim I said. It was on the return trip back to OR and the HWY from the little side trip that Duane threw a package (which he said was a candy wrapper - about the size of a Hersey BAR out of the window. It was a long narrow iron bridge...if that one was money it would have sank or washed out to sea. A candy wrapper would have got caught in the wind...what ever he threw was flat and solid.

For some stupid REASON JT claimed I was talking about the bridge in Vancouver. I argued with him till I was blue in the face that he was NOT understanding anything I was trying to say...and when I talked to him IT WAS BEFORE I WENT TO WA IN 2001 and when I got HOME I called him and told him where to go. There was 2 iron bridges in 1979.

You Will NEVER Know If You Don't Know NOW! Oh, Well soon it won't make any difference what JT said or says or what anyone else Says of Does!

Goon Night! VERY VERY TIRED!

P.S. first time I ever explained in detail the package thrown out when we crossed the river far far NORTH of Vancover. I have played that memory out in my mind many times - because a candy wrapper did NOT fit the motion of the package - If it was a Hershey Bar wrapper - it damn sure had something in it because a flat candy wrapper would have got caught up in the wind of the car. All I caught was a glimpse of it, but the memory says it did not float or swirl in the air drifts from the car and it was flat.

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RobertMBlevins

I'm sure you plan to submit your flight map results to them at some point, which I think is a very good idea by the way. It's a bummer that Paul Soderlind of NWA is no longer alive to see those results. According to Rataczak, Soderlind had a major hand in helping track the flight, determining where Cooper probably jumped, and organizing the data that was used for the map. I suggest that maybe you should submit your final results not only to the Seattle FBI, but mail a print copy to Bill Rataczak and let him look as well. His address is in the online phone book for Minnesota.

A quote by Rataczak, just for interest:

'I do know that our technical support people who were on the radio with us during the hijacking, especially Paul (Soderlind), tried to determine the exact area where Cooper might have jumped. We relied heavily on him for technical information during the flight. He was head of Technical Operations in our Flight Training Department.

Paul and many others did a lot of work trying to determine the exact area in general, and then tried to narrow down where the hijacker could have landed after he jumped from the airplane. They finally determined the likely spot. Well, our crew on board was 99% sure they were correct because we felt a tremendous amount of pressure bump in our ears when the aft stairs rebounded when they closed.

Where he jumped was up to air-traffic control to coordinate with our technical people. They plotted an area based on winds that were prevalent at that time, and then, of course, there were different approaches to his fall that could have occurred. When did he deploy the chute, for example? Did he deploy it immediately? If he did, then he would be carried farther from the jump point by the wind. Or if something went wrong and he didn’t deploy at all and ended up boring a hole in the ground and is forever buried and is now nothing more than a skeleton, then he would have been closer to point of departure. So, somewhere in between is where he probably landed. With the winds it is hard to say.

Blevins, Since you piggy backed the original post to another subject, I have changed the heading to reflect the change.

First, did you note the term "technical information" in your Rataczak quote? Do you know what it means? Are you aware that the hijacked airliner was almost to Portland before the NWA technical people in Minneapolis informed the crew that they would probably have enough fuel to get to Reno? So, initially at least, the main job of the NWA technical people was to make sure the airliner could get to Reno. By the time that was determined, Cooper had already jumped and the predicted jump point was done in retrospect.

Did you notice Rataczak's statement that "Where he jumped was up to air-traffic control to coordinate with our technical people."? This brings up the question as to what happened to the flight data that air-traffic control used to coordinate with NWA. Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Rataczak reportedly stated late last year that he was the only one who knew which side of Portland the airliner was on when it passed by. Does that sound like Rataczak believes the Blevins version of the flight path?

Paul Soderlind and others presumably had all available data to predict where Cooper jumped and landed. At least they had MUCH more than we have today. How come they didn't find Cooper in the predicted drop zone? Or anywhere else for that matter.

Blevins, here is a promise. If I ever deliver anything on the flight path to the FBI in Seattle, it won't be half-baked and it will be accompanied by a plastic bag containing Cooper's bones or some such indisputable artifact.

Robert99

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Odd indeed. Anyone care to guess why the redactions were made?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Odd indeed. Anyone care to guess why the redactions were made?

377

I wouldn't care to guess but do you know?

Robert99

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377

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Odd indeed. Anyone care to guess why the redactions were made?

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... that is a very odd question coming from you.

Maybe Jo could fill everyone in!

Possible Answer: They all watched Patches?

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377

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Odd indeed. Anyone care to guess why the redactions were made?

377

I would say a lot depends on which entity did the redacting.
NW was clearly running the show - at least up until the time he jumped and, I've heard, even afterwards - as least as far as access to the employees was concerned. But that part is just rumor.
I've often wondered if NWA was forthcoming with all the info to the FBI - esp in light of the concerns about insurance, liability, publicity. No reason to think that they didn't other than idle speculaton, and maybe these concerns weren't as prevalent in 70s as they would be now, but I would imagine that Nyrop would be looking at all the angles.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Odd indeed. Anyone care to guess why the redactions were made?

377

I would say a lot depends on which entity did the redacting.
NW was clearly running the show - at least up until the time he jumped and, I've heard, even afterwards - as least as far as access to the employees was concerned. But that part is just rumor.
I've often wondered if NWA was forthcoming with all the info to the FBI - esp in light of the concerns about insurance, liability, publicity. No reason to think that they didn't other than idle speculaton, and maybe these concerns weren't as prevalent in 70s as they would be now, but I would imagine that Nyrop would be looking at all the angles.

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who had what data ... its in this thread ... been discussed
before.

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I don't know the answer. Speculation is that the FBI feared that anyone who found a body and money together would take the money and conceal the body thus thwarting their investigation. Perhaps they didn't want to give too much info that would help civilians pinpoint the landing area. Just a crude guess. Nothing more.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Robert99

Last week enroute to Vancouver, I made a specific point of driving the entire length of the Columbia River Gorge from east to west during a beautiful, sunny, afternoon with no cloud cover whatsoever. The wind cooperated a bit by blowing from the west at about 30 miles per hour.

While the wind at ground level (the entire route is at sea level for all practical purposes) was sufficient to create an occasional problem in driving, it was not indicative of any wind problems at higher altitudes. In fact, the terrain along the Gorge is not very high and the wind would only cause problems, if any at all, for light aircraft flying at low altitude within the Gorge itself.

Consequently, I see no reason at all to believe that an airliner flying at 10,000 feet above sea level, and about 20 or 30 miles (minimum) upwind of the Gorge, would be adversely impacted by any winds in the Gorge itself.

The winds at Portland were relatively light both at ground level and at 10,000 feet above sea level and were no problem. The clouds and light rain at Portland were, in reality, no problem either.

So as I have maintained before, the weather was not of any significance to the hijacked airliner as it passed through the Portland area.

As far as I am concerned, the weather discussion is closed.

Robert99

I'm not disagreeing......yet .... just asking. What would the effects of icing on the aircraft be in relation to this particular flight?

From Ratacsak:
At 10,000 feet out of Seattle there was a cloud layer, causing icing to occur on the aircraft. We
were flying what we call a “dirty airplane” with flaps and gear down. We were unpressurized. We had
another problem besides Cooper. Icing."

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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377 states:

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Isn't it a bit odd that the required information was deleted from the Seattle ATC transcripts as well as other radio transcripts?

Georger replies:

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Maybe Jo could fill everyone in!

Possible Answer: They all watched Patches?

Jo States:
Smarty Pants, You know I do NOT get into those kind of details....All I do is tell what Duane told me & showed me and my memory of these things. The technical stuff is why I came to DZ.

I have snooped around in Duane's past far more efficiently than the FBI did and I lived with the man for 17 1/2 yrs. I used the things I remembered and the people I met during those yrs - to learn more about this ODD man! I questioned and talked to people the FBI could not get near. I have had my life threatened and where I have gone the FBI did NOT dare go. I was threatened by more than ONE individual - You didn't know that did you?

Coming to the DZ was more than a fact finding venture.

I also formed a relationship with the former wife and what family Duane had left. I learned things the FBI never mentioned - after all they would not talk to me about Duane - just one phrase "Your husband was not Cooper" - since that is how it was worded by 2 agents over the last 18 yrs I have to assume it is a reply they are supposed to give when the caller ID says it is Jo Weber.

I left it up to the FBI until I caught an agent in an out and out lie in 2001. After that I did it MY WAY! The rest needs NO explanation!

Many people have question the fact there are NO transcripts...ODD is not the only word. SUSPECT is another!

How much was actually recorded in those days as far as communications are concerned? The notes Tina made are all written - and I will say the way she worded about Down the stairs and up the stairs - gave me GOOSE bumps.

There was someone I spoke to over the yrs who voiced the Airlines being fearful of law suits - note that before the Skyjacking there was a couple of major airline accidents involving crashes and one of those was an actual bomb that exploded...a man who wanted to collect his mother's insurance - maybe that was after the 1971 incident! I forget!

If before - perhaps someone needs to look at the passenger list - of those who died. Would be a great motive! I believe we studied this stuff way back in the beginning in of the thread. Most everything anyone needs about the case is in this long long thread.....

Going back to bed! I got up and the COMPUTER screen had turned itself on!

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I don't know the answer. Speculation is that the FBI feared that anyone who found a body and money together would take the money and conceal the body thus thwarting their investigation. Perhaps they didn't want to give too much info that would help civilians pinpoint the landing area. Just a crude guess. Nothing more.

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That's a legitimate concern, however given
the fact this situation had already generated hundreds (if not
thousands) of people interested with some out looking on their
own for Cooper, trading gossip, speculating .. the chance was
higher than normal that someone from the public might find
something ahead of LE.

There is always a fine line between asking for public help or not.
Its a management issue and in the case of a hijacking there are
a lot of party interests at stake. Many (if not most) of the
parties involved had been sworn to secrecy as a part of their
normal employment. That included Rataczak, incidently. And a
probable drop zone had already been given the public, by the
FBI.

I take it that Robt99 is not 'surprised' by redaction, as much as
just citing the fact of it... if it is all intentional redaction.

And of course nobody generally was looking for Cooper at
Vancouver, especially on the ground. LE as far as I understand
it was looking more in Portland for some Cooper connection,
and to a lesser extent in the Tacoma area.

The scenario concerning how the flight path was developed and by who has been previously developed in this thread.

But the oathes people had taken and were working under were
a normal routine for many 'handlers' in the Cooper case, and
some of it still operates today. I could cite chapter and verse on
that.

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