hangdiver 1 #41951 August 6, 2013 quotes from:Mar 7, 2011, 11:43 PM Post #22899 of 45562 (6817) RobertMBlevinsThe old expression 'It's been fun but I gotta run...' certainly applies to yours truly, especially with my involvement over the past two years investigating the case of skyjacker 'D.B. Cooper'. After dozens of trips around the Northwest, office paranoia, a book, and an appearance on the History Channel, I am definitely ready to return to my normal life. Quote Those Cooper folks can go crazy on you. I guess ya forgot to run...now ya are one... nuff said... hangdiver "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41952 August 6, 2013 mrshutter45Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please.Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41953 August 6, 2013 georger***Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please.Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41954 August 6, 2013 georger Not even Dvorak, Myers and Weber, or the Titanic! went throught his kind of *xxit*. This is a FIRST in Cooperland? Good nite Irene - Things have got so confusing about who said what on this thread so I do NOT know who made the statement above, but I agree! I think WE can all ditto that! I may be Crazy, Delusional and Off my Rocker, but Blevins need containment....keeps altering facts and takes liberaties, twists and turns till no one knows who said what and when. Just Jo - I only know what Duane told me and what I learned about his past, the people I met and what he showed me. The technical stuff - I have to walk away from. Every once in awhile you guys need to remind me and to simplify the things you are discussing. NONE of this would get so confusing if Blevins would JUST SHUT UP! He has gotten so many posters either banned or put on vacation one would come to believe he makes complaint to the DZ. He is the soul source of confusion and he only has ONE object in mind - to sell his book. If the REAL Cooper is made known - his book is trash and he know this! How does he have enough time to make all of these posts and work a full time job or two? Does he ever sleep or is this his job?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41955 August 6, 2013 mrshutter45Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41956 August 6, 2013 Robert99 ******Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99 Quote Tough question! I was told in '08 (if this makes sense) that 'all of the tapes in various locations were collected, as much as still existed, and were transferred to either NWA or the FAA, then assembled, and transcripts made - and the tapes and/or copies of the tapes still exist and NW, the FAA, and FBI have a copy.' Would I swear this is true in Court. No! It's just hearsay. R2 who we both talked to, confirmed the tapes at his location were talken away. He didn't seem to know much beyond that. I tried to find out where the PI got their pdf and ran into a roadblock - they wouldn't talk (to me) except to say the people involved were no longer at the PI. But they wouldnt give me any names or references either. One manager at the PI told me bluntly: "This isn't current news!" The current staff I spoke with there didn't care and they weren't going to lift a finger to help ... That is literally all I can say on this subject. I literally don't know anything more except, I put out a few new feelers this morning. This has been a question in my mind since day-1. Maybe Sluggo, Kaye, or Snowmman know more? Somebody knows more (that is almost certain)! And, I have never tried to talk to the FBI about this and the reason I didn't was because I was trying to follow Carr's original mandate which was to analyse the money, focus on that, and not go on a wide fishing expedition. But the PI transcripts have always bugged me, as you know. Those flight comms are a key - What has always bugged me about the PI Transcript(s) is they are a strange mix of technical and other rather specific information, while obviously having been redacted of other deeper information and content, someone thought was more vital and should be redacted?. This concerns not only gaps in the technical information you want, but the deeper content given the wide communications that were obviously going on between Cooper and the crew, including the cockpit crew, at various times. At one point Al Lee even hears Cooper talking in the background! We even know that Cooper actually wrote out a second and third set of instructions (togive to Scott?) completely separate from his original hijack note(s) - and presumably Cooper got those back in the course of the hijacking also? We are told also that the crew didn't know and thought Cooper might still be on board clear down to Reno, but the Transcripts are deep enough that they tell another story - and those communiucation were left intact in the transcript(s)! That is an example of what I mean by "strange mix". The transcripts are superficial on the one hand then suddenly rather deep in the next set of passages ... and what kind of redaction or censuring by whom is that? Scott was a busy man communicating. That's an under- statement! Rataczak says he chimed in now and then especially during the fueling stall at SEA. (Where is that in the transcripts, identifying Rzck vs Scott?) Somebody who worked at the PI has a story to tell.. I did put out a few new feelers this morning. Maybe something will come of that. I have no idea. I finally stopped persuing the PI Transcripts in lieu of other opportunities and information that surfaced. I will get to that in due course but I decided getting an original copy of all of the flight comms and radar data per se, was an impossibility. It was a personal judgement and decision I made at the time, the full consequences of which are yet to be determined. Frankly Robert99, I thought your chances were better than mine and you would eventually get to the bottom of this, based on your credentials. I never communicated that directly to you, but that was part of my reasoning (and hope) at the time... and I want you to know that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41957 August 6, 2013 skyjack71***Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo. you mean like this one from Sluggo?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41958 August 6, 2013 All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41959 August 6, 2013 georger All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41960 August 6, 2013 Robert99*** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Robert99 50 #41953 August 6, 2013 georger***Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please.Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41954 August 6, 2013 georger Not even Dvorak, Myers and Weber, or the Titanic! went throught his kind of *xxit*. This is a FIRST in Cooperland? Good nite Irene - Things have got so confusing about who said what on this thread so I do NOT know who made the statement above, but I agree! I think WE can all ditto that! I may be Crazy, Delusional and Off my Rocker, but Blevins need containment....keeps altering facts and takes liberaties, twists and turns till no one knows who said what and when. Just Jo - I only know what Duane told me and what I learned about his past, the people I met and what he showed me. The technical stuff - I have to walk away from. Every once in awhile you guys need to remind me and to simplify the things you are discussing. NONE of this would get so confusing if Blevins would JUST SHUT UP! He has gotten so many posters either banned or put on vacation one would come to believe he makes complaint to the DZ. He is the soul source of confusion and he only has ONE object in mind - to sell his book. If the REAL Cooper is made known - his book is trash and he know this! How does he have enough time to make all of these posts and work a full time job or two? Does he ever sleep or is this his job?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41955 August 6, 2013 mrshutter45Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41956 August 6, 2013 Robert99 ******Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99 Quote Tough question! I was told in '08 (if this makes sense) that 'all of the tapes in various locations were collected, as much as still existed, and were transferred to either NWA or the FAA, then assembled, and transcripts made - and the tapes and/or copies of the tapes still exist and NW, the FAA, and FBI have a copy.' Would I swear this is true in Court. No! It's just hearsay. R2 who we both talked to, confirmed the tapes at his location were talken away. He didn't seem to know much beyond that. I tried to find out where the PI got their pdf and ran into a roadblock - they wouldn't talk (to me) except to say the people involved were no longer at the PI. But they wouldnt give me any names or references either. One manager at the PI told me bluntly: "This isn't current news!" The current staff I spoke with there didn't care and they weren't going to lift a finger to help ... That is literally all I can say on this subject. I literally don't know anything more except, I put out a few new feelers this morning. This has been a question in my mind since day-1. Maybe Sluggo, Kaye, or Snowmman know more? Somebody knows more (that is almost certain)! And, I have never tried to talk to the FBI about this and the reason I didn't was because I was trying to follow Carr's original mandate which was to analyse the money, focus on that, and not go on a wide fishing expedition. But the PI transcripts have always bugged me, as you know. Those flight comms are a key - What has always bugged me about the PI Transcript(s) is they are a strange mix of technical and other rather specific information, while obviously having been redacted of other deeper information and content, someone thought was more vital and should be redacted?. This concerns not only gaps in the technical information you want, but the deeper content given the wide communications that were obviously going on between Cooper and the crew, including the cockpit crew, at various times. At one point Al Lee even hears Cooper talking in the background! We even know that Cooper actually wrote out a second and third set of instructions (togive to Scott?) completely separate from his original hijack note(s) - and presumably Cooper got those back in the course of the hijacking also? We are told also that the crew didn't know and thought Cooper might still be on board clear down to Reno, but the Transcripts are deep enough that they tell another story - and those communiucation were left intact in the transcript(s)! That is an example of what I mean by "strange mix". The transcripts are superficial on the one hand then suddenly rather deep in the next set of passages ... and what kind of redaction or censuring by whom is that? Scott was a busy man communicating. That's an under- statement! Rataczak says he chimed in now and then especially during the fueling stall at SEA. (Where is that in the transcripts, identifying Rzck vs Scott?) Somebody who worked at the PI has a story to tell.. I did put out a few new feelers this morning. Maybe something will come of that. I have no idea. I finally stopped persuing the PI Transcripts in lieu of other opportunities and information that surfaced. I will get to that in due course but I decided getting an original copy of all of the flight comms and radar data per se, was an impossibility. It was a personal judgement and decision I made at the time, the full consequences of which are yet to be determined. Frankly Robert99, I thought your chances were better than mine and you would eventually get to the bottom of this, based on your credentials. I never communicated that directly to you, but that was part of my reasoning (and hope) at the time... and I want you to know that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41957 August 6, 2013 skyjack71***Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo. you mean like this one from Sluggo?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41958 August 6, 2013 All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41959 August 6, 2013 georger All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41960 August 6, 2013 Robert99*** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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skyjack71 0 #41954 August 6, 2013 georger Not even Dvorak, Myers and Weber, or the Titanic! went throught his kind of *xxit*. This is a FIRST in Cooperland? Good nite Irene - Things have got so confusing about who said what on this thread so I do NOT know who made the statement above, but I agree! I think WE can all ditto that! I may be Crazy, Delusional and Off my Rocker, but Blevins need containment....keeps altering facts and takes liberaties, twists and turns till no one knows who said what and when. Just Jo - I only know what Duane told me and what I learned about his past, the people I met and what he showed me. The technical stuff - I have to walk away from. Every once in awhile you guys need to remind me and to simplify the things you are discussing. NONE of this would get so confusing if Blevins would JUST SHUT UP! He has gotten so many posters either banned or put on vacation one would come to believe he makes complaint to the DZ. He is the soul source of confusion and he only has ONE object in mind - to sell his book. If the REAL Cooper is made known - his book is trash and he know this! How does he have enough time to make all of these posts and work a full time job or two? Does he ever sleep or is this his job?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41955 August 6, 2013 mrshutter45Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41956 August 6, 2013 Robert99 ******Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. Quote The first official description of DB Cooper was given by Wm Scott at 3:54pm pst on 119.5 MHz (reel No.1 PI Transcript) saying: "305: Also, name of man unknown. About 6 feet 1 inch high, black hair, age about 50, weight about 175 pounds, boarded at PDX. MSP Flight options ok." Presumably, the description was provided Scott by one or more of the cabin stews: Hancock, Schaffner, and Mucklow. All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99 Quote Tough question! I was told in '08 (if this makes sense) that 'all of the tapes in various locations were collected, as much as still existed, and were transferred to either NWA or the FAA, then assembled, and transcripts made - and the tapes and/or copies of the tapes still exist and NW, the FAA, and FBI have a copy.' Would I swear this is true in Court. No! It's just hearsay. R2 who we both talked to, confirmed the tapes at his location were talken away. He didn't seem to know much beyond that. I tried to find out where the PI got their pdf and ran into a roadblock - they wouldn't talk (to me) except to say the people involved were no longer at the PI. But they wouldnt give me any names or references either. One manager at the PI told me bluntly: "This isn't current news!" The current staff I spoke with there didn't care and they weren't going to lift a finger to help ... That is literally all I can say on this subject. I literally don't know anything more except, I put out a few new feelers this morning. This has been a question in my mind since day-1. Maybe Sluggo, Kaye, or Snowmman know more? Somebody knows more (that is almost certain)! And, I have never tried to talk to the FBI about this and the reason I didn't was because I was trying to follow Carr's original mandate which was to analyse the money, focus on that, and not go on a wide fishing expedition. But the PI transcripts have always bugged me, as you know. Those flight comms are a key - What has always bugged me about the PI Transcript(s) is they are a strange mix of technical and other rather specific information, while obviously having been redacted of other deeper information and content, someone thought was more vital and should be redacted?. This concerns not only gaps in the technical information you want, but the deeper content given the wide communications that were obviously going on between Cooper and the crew, including the cockpit crew, at various times. At one point Al Lee even hears Cooper talking in the background! We even know that Cooper actually wrote out a second and third set of instructions (togive to Scott?) completely separate from his original hijack note(s) - and presumably Cooper got those back in the course of the hijacking also? We are told also that the crew didn't know and thought Cooper might still be on board clear down to Reno, but the Transcripts are deep enough that they tell another story - and those communiucation were left intact in the transcript(s)! That is an example of what I mean by "strange mix". The transcripts are superficial on the one hand then suddenly rather deep in the next set of passages ... and what kind of redaction or censuring by whom is that? Scott was a busy man communicating. That's an under- statement! Rataczak says he chimed in now and then especially during the fueling stall at SEA. (Where is that in the transcripts, identifying Rzck vs Scott?) Somebody who worked at the PI has a story to tell.. I did put out a few new feelers this morning. Maybe something will come of that. I have no idea. I finally stopped persuing the PI Transcripts in lieu of other opportunities and information that surfaced. I will get to that in due course but I decided getting an original copy of all of the flight comms and radar data per se, was an impossibility. It was a personal judgement and decision I made at the time, the full consequences of which are yet to be determined. Frankly Robert99, I thought your chances were better than mine and you would eventually get to the bottom of this, based on your credentials. I never communicated that directly to you, but that was part of my reasoning (and hope) at the time... and I want you to know that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41957 August 6, 2013 skyjack71***Jo, the map Sluggo uses is the same map the FBI has. I attached the FBI map from there own site. the map is a navigational chart, not a population chart. you must be mixing something up. the path shows plenty of angles Rataczak could of seen Vancouver if the clouds allowed it. if you can't understand these maps, how do you defend what you think you see? perhaps Sluggo made his own map and discoveries as to where Cooper jumped. I don't know, but the maps he supplied on his site were taken from the original 1971 FBI chart. if I'm incorrect someone clue me in on this please. If it is the ORIGINAL one - how come my NO is written on IT!. You did NOT get that map with the NO on it from Sluggo. you mean like this one from Sluggo?"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41958 August 6, 2013 All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41959 August 6, 2013 georger All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41960 August 6, 2013 Robert99*** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Robert99 50 #41959 August 6, 2013 georger All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41960 August 6, 2013 Robert99*** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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georger 245 #41960 August 6, 2013 Robert99*** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Robert99 50 #41961 August 6, 2013 georger****** All descriptions delivered later are subject to this original basic first description. Georger, Are the tapes of the original communications between the airliner and the Seattle ATC and the ARINC system still available? If so, who has them? Robert99Quote By the way, I did locate the pre 1974 water level data. If you want that I can tell you where to get it privately. Please send me a PM with the information. My personal e-mail address has been changed recently due to problems with would be hackers. If you don't want to go the PM route, get in touch with Shutter. He has permission (this sentence) to pass my current e-mail address to you. Or, you can confirm that your former personal e-mail address is still the same. Robert99Quote will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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skyjack71 0 #41962 August 7, 2013 WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Along the way I communicated with a man who was present at that time in 1971 - his information has been buried for yrs in my files. The transcripts or whatever they were called no LONGER existed in their files. He indicated he thought N.W. had them. I remember commenting this was ODD....that on such a high profile incident they didn't keep a copies or transcripts. He had been contacted by others in the past regarding this. I want to say it was in 2001 when I went public. A lot of people tried to help me get information at that time and I was still TRYING to work with the FBI. It was useless. I kept emails, but NOT recordings of all phone conversations - so I do NOT even know were to look but 2001 is the time frame. I remember talking to the man - but, I assure you I would NOT have known how to contact him unless someone gave me the source and a name. I still have my phone record for that time frame back when they listed the place called and the phone number and the minutes. I frankly had forgotten about this! This all is beginning to SOUND like a cover-up, but WHY? You guys are getting the same run-around I did and anyone working on my behalf did. In the phone conversation above - I was also informed N.W. had them & N.W. was concerned about lawsuits. One researcher PHYSICALLY went into military records to obtain information - he went where NO man has gone before (now that sounds like a line from a movie)! THIS is how the Army Records (which the FBI denied existed) were found. Actual details the FBI refused to expose. Details that could NOT be given to me in writing, but which I found later thur the brother were actually true. Much of what I have NO LONGER exists anywhere - such as the McNeil files. I believe you can access a summary page, but NOT the actual file,Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41963 August 7, 2013 Hopefully if Blevins stands down I can reveal some of the other reseach - I have sat on for so many yrs. Now we are moving slower and NOT having to compete with the promoter of a book. I am promoting NOTHING! All I want is the truth and after 40 yrs it is time the truth about this case was made public...be it Duane was Cooper or NOT. NO company or entity should be allowed to cover up a crime in any way to protect anyone other than a victim from harm. NW was covering their ass. There is NO excuse in covering up information which could help the authorities solve the crime. You do the crime - you do the time. Just why the HELL did Weber pick me to confess to? One of his wives wanted to hang him by his balls and the other imbied a little too much. Pretty difficult for a man to spend 25 yrs of his life covering his tracks...and then confess when he knows death is knocking at the door. WHY ME! NOTE: N.W. has always been relative silent on Cooper! Although some have suspected the motive, it was taboo to discuss it...what a difference 40 yrs makes! You guys have actually been able to make over 20 posts without a media monger monopolizing the thread with useless repetitive and promotional posts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41964 August 7, 2013 skyjack71WOW! You guys are really crunching the numbers aren't you? If Blevins stays OUT of the WAY maybe U guys can get some WORK done. I have NO idea what PI is so someone help me out here. If you are referring to the data collect at PDX - that is GONE! Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. They released a written transcript of the flight communications between Flight 305, the plane Cooper was on, and various other entities, from the beginning of the hijacking to the end when it landed at Reno. The Transcript figures prominently on Sluggo's website and in people's research on the case. It was released by the Seattle newspaper sometime around 2008 when Ckret came here to talk about the case. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41965 August 7, 2013 Quote Jo, P.I. refers to the Seattle Post Intelligencer, a newspaper. Nobody seems to know how they got the transcript or from whom ? That was the yr after my husband died - I am going to check my communications for 2008 and see if anyone I spoke with could be suspect. When a woman BEGS - some people get soft hearted. Do you think it was Carr? Had all of the transcripts been made available to anyone outside of the FBI at that time? I never knew who Snowmman was but he had a lot of information? Are you sure it was NOT publicized some place before and it was not Sluggo? Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41966 August 7, 2013 skyjack71 *** Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public?Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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georger 245 #41967 August 7, 2013 will PM you tonight - its crunch time here .. I can include Shutter if thats ok ... Including Shutter is fine with me. Quote Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41968 August 7, 2013 Jo Asked: Why do you guys need to KNOW who made it public? Georger Replied: Quote To find an unedited transcript if one exists and the actual tapes! We are probably asking for the Moon! Jo's long Explanation: Somewhere along the line - I was told N.W. Airlines owned any properties connected from their side - like the communications from the crew - why you find some of that redacted....blank spots is what I call them. N.W. Airline had to approve anything released to the media - such as recordings or transcripts. They had to protect themselves from Lawsuits. N.W. demanded this. Power and Money buys a lot of things. In the first few yrs the only person I spoke with was Himmelsbach. Have you ever talked to him? It was prior to 2008 so I have to go to the paper files and YOU do not want to see them - suitcases full and all in binders from 1996 until 2007. Simple Simon me was hoping Cooper's voice could be heard and I wanted to know about the things Cooper said to Tina. I wanted to know what they talked about for 3 hours. When I saw the picture of Tina - it just got me. My daughter was 15 when I met Duane. The resembalance of how Tina looked in her pictures and how my own daughter looked in 1976 was uncanny. Now you know why I dug so deep and so hard and why I have always been so protective of Tina. I had to hold off Galen Cook for yrs as I knew Tina's location and phone number in 2003 and receive verification of that in 2004. Well, you KNOW what happened when he and Bruce did find her - disgusting and very untasteful. I did what I could to warn her and her family when Bruce was going to see her brother. Galen had the brazen gall to send me the pictures Bruce took of her. Those two have nicknames -Sneaky SNAKE & WEASEL! He might be your best friend, but I assure you both Galen and Bruce will cut your throat if you turn your back on them. Galen LOVES to bait people with FALSE information - because he is trying to extract the information he wants from them or others. He will turn around and use the info as his own and for his own purpose. Ask him why Jo calls him Glacier Boy (he didn't know I knew about that). He used me many many times and would never have gotten to the point he did without the information he extracted from me. I never understood how or why the FBI allowed him to have access to things - BECAUSE he was an attorney. Well, the FBI never dealt with the likes of Cook - I have a letter and emails that prove he is a SNEAKY damn snake! Cook did NOT even have a suspect until he started talking to me. His suspect resulted from a phone call to a radio station 4 yrs after he had been pumping me for information. Obviously Mr. H didn't talk to Cook, now I guess he is his buddy! If you don't believe my story about Galen - I welcome you to my files! Sneaky Snake in the Grass! Oft Track: Sorry! Back to the Transcripts! NO one has the unredacted other than N.W. They were the property of N.W. I wish I could remember who told me this. Himmelbach or Doug. Had to be one of them. I just wanted to know what transpired between Tina and Cooper! Word or phrases. She would only tell me "He was a very sad man". I have made it a point to not interfer with her life, but I want her to see the Jefferson file picture and the before and afters! It takes everything in me to refrain from just dropping them in the mail on a large post card. I just can't do that - I don't know how much she really remembers anymore - she was so young and this was so tramatic for her. The only pictures she saw was what was in the media - if she even saw those. Duane was 47 in 1971 and the description of Tina and Florence are the most reliable...but, it has been lots of year - too many yrs. The pursing motion Cooper made with his mouth - why Rose could not get the mouth right and that make the chin off - plus in that photo Duane had his head titled. This damn prison file come to the table 18 yrs after I contact the FBI - OBVIOUSLY the FBI did NOT show her that photo - especially since it was buried under John "Dusty' Collins and Carr didn't post it - I begged for it - ALL I got was a name and number with Duane L. Weber on it with NO pictures. IF the FBI did NOT show Tina that picture in 1996 - WHY? What Tina wrote on those notes you or Shutter made available to me.....the verbage and the sing song - Duane was watching her write those notes...and I think in his mind when he was dieing he was remember her and how badly he now felt for traumatizing her so badly. He was a good stepfather to my daughter and yet another wife could do NOTHING but screech horrible things about Weber. Duane must have been a Jeykell and Hyde depending on who he was with! Tina in our one conversation told me "Cooper was a VERY SAD man". He was sad - he failed his family, he failed at everything and he found out he had the kidney disease his mother died of. He didn't have a life - he had nothing to live for. He had spent most of his adult life in prison. At that point he didn't care if he died. I think it was sheer luck he did survive. I know he had a bad side as I saw it a few times - but he did finally find himself....how many people he hurt to get to that point I will probably never know. I miss him, but I am not the only one - other lives he touched remember him well and not badly. I hope Tina knows he did change - he did become the man he should have been...not perfect, but he was never really a bad man. He could scare the hell out of you, but he could never hurt anyone. I think Duane got the teeth knocked out by BOXING. He mentioned that he Boxed, but I just didn't believe him - he just did NOT come across as a boxer. Now I know where he learned to BOX and when. Now I believe prison medical records would have proven 19 yrs ago when they were still available that he had missing front teeth in 1966. How CONVENIENT for the FBI to SIT on the Jefferson pics for 17 yrs! Frankly I think THE FBI knew who Cooper was - if NOT it was some of the worse dectective work they ever did. TWO FBI agents in Missouri went to Jefferson because that is where the VERY first lead came out of. Carr could NOT find the papers regarding this - Seattle knew there was a enquiry sent to Ms, but no follow-up papers. Do you find anything ODD about that - WELL, I do. Where was N.W. located! If you put ALL of the mistakes together his spells - cover-up. DID that many agents over the last 41 yrs screw-up that badly? Leads over the yrs - they pointed right at Weber/Collins and the FBI just ignored them. Leads came out of N.Orleans and again they couldn't find the man. Protect and Do no Harm changed Duane from a criminal to a man of character - he felt he had value for the 1st time in his life. Did he become a model citizen - hell, no! But he did become a better person! He did try to atone for what he did, but unwilling to spend what was left of his life in a prison...he chose to do the BIG ONE or Die. All the FBI had to do was check to see who the person was they guys were ratting on and Cooper would have spent the rest of his life in prison. Who was John Collins?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParrotheadVol 70 #41969 August 7, 2013 Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41970 August 7, 2013 ParrotheadVol Found this while searching YouTube. Never knew someone had done a wax likeness of Mr. Cooper. Here is the video link, and the picture. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC6dZq9c_8&feature=related Yep, this was posted a couple months ago. I made a comment that he looks like the guy from Seinfeld Jason Alexander a good computer animation would work just as good. check out Bruce Lee done by a computer in 3D."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41971 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #41972 August 7, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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testxyz 0 #41973 August 7, 2013 Rob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41974 August 7, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41975 August 7, 2013 georger***Greetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, RobbQuote Bruce, the whole issue of the reserve lines is covered here in depth: http://www.citizensleuths.com/pink-parachute-gallery.html Thanks, G, I'll pass it along. -BAS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 Next Page 1679 of 2571 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 50 50
