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Until the airlines stopped it, probably sometime in the early 1970s, four cigarettes and a book of matches were part of the lunch and dinner service on airline flights. There was nothing unusual about the matches you mention.

Blevins, your strange actions on the thread this evening are a cause for confusion. Don't you want to prove that KC was Cooper anymore?

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Have any of you looked at the ticket agents job application? and possibly the 200-500 tickets he wrote out that night?



I haven't. Have you? Is he still alive?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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***"Otherwise, it's the same as if I tried to say that I (or a witness) saw a book of SkyChef matches in Kenny's possessions years previous to the public revelation on them, and that (*surprise*) they were tossed out.

Now, if the ID on these matches was public knowledge shortly after the hijacking, then this changes everything. Then you have to provide the matchbook Duane had, otherwise there is no evidence here. Anyone could claim the same thing, i.e. 'I saw those matches'."

KC wearing a toupee is different? (*surprise*) no pictures, no toupee. no proof other than people stating he wore a toupee. no evidence here...right? anyone could claim he wore a toupee....



Except that the people who have testified to this are real folks, named, still alive, and can be contacted by the FBI anytime for verification on their previous statements and testimony.

You kinda forgot about that part. I'm not in the habit of presenting available evidence without a means of verification. The unedited version of this document has always been available to the people who matter, the media. or anyone who presents legit credentials and a reason why they need it. I am always happy to provide, but because of the prevalence of Cooper Nuts (trust me, they exist) I have to make an effort to protect those people listed in the document. To do anything else would be irresponsible. What? Do you think I am so desperate to sell a friggin' book that I would act irresponsibly to do so? LOL, I may be poor as a church mouse but my family in general will never have to worry where their next meal is coming from. My mother says she's leaving a quarter of the estate to the Humane Society and my sister and I split the rest. And on the day that happens, I will be crushed beyond belief and lucky if I don't paddle out into the Pacific and never come back. 'Cause I kinda love my mom. We shared a lot together.

You guys are SO funny sometimes. You think you know me, but you really don't. Not even a smidgen.

It's never been about whether I make a buck on Cooper. It's only been about the truth. That's why I don't claim KC was without doubt the hijacker.

Because the truth is, I don't know. You don't listen. Maybe you're starting to believe the 900 comments. (*laughs*)


I didn't really need a big explanation from you trying to explain the fact that the two are the same. the bottom line is you just told Jo without any evidence (matchbook) she has nothing. "I saw those matches" "anyone could claim the same thing"

now, you are claiming KC wore a wig, but, you have zero proof other than someone telling you this correct? Testified and Testimony are court terms. was this a court record you are speaking of?

one of your witnesses states that KC stopped wearing the toupee shortly after the crime (*laughs*) she was able to pinpoint this 40 years later? give me a break Matlock (*giggles*) she states he didn't wear it to work, so I guess he was worried if he wore it to a movie theater someone would yell out "hey, look it's DB Cooper"
(*eyes roll to back of head*)

why is it you can't accept Jo stating she had those matches, but, you can claim KC wore a rug because someone said so? "Anyone could claim the same thing"

lets do a test shall we. I will replace the word matches with Toupee in your response to Jo.

Now, if the ID on the toupee was public knowledge shortly after the hijacking, then this changes everything. Then you have to provide the toupee Duane had, otherwise there is no evidence here. Anyone could claim the same thing, i.e. 'I saw the toupee'."

not the same (*laughs*)

"You kinda forgot about that part. I'm not in the habit of presenting available evidence without a means of verification"

what available evidence, someone telling you this? can you prove these statements, can you verify them with real evidence like a picture of KC with a toupee? otherwise there is no evidence here!

ah yes, the famous 900 comments shows up to rescue you once again. must you tell this story 900 times to get the point across about those stupid comments? it's been about 3 pages since you last commented about them. keep the quota up (*giggles*)
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This is Paul Geivett, I am not a skydiver, or a pilot. I will always fall short on technical questions on these matters. I solved this case on the ground, not in the sky. No descriptions or vague memories, nor discrepancy of 1-2 inches, nor any description of color of clothing, nor the seat he sat in. This case has to be solved on forensics period.

Handwriting, DNA on and under stamps or envelope flaps. There are handwriting experts by the thousands that would love to have their name on this case for the pages of history and hands of time. The tickets of all the passengers should be and should have been collected that night... the ticket agent did NOT write the Van 9 letter, nor fill out the envelope to the Oregonian/Playboy letter.... nor fill out a 1958 flight log that seems to have Kenny Christiansens name on it. Nor did he fill out everything Kenny Christiansen wrote since he was in Kindergarten.

Have any of you looked at the ticket agents job application? and possibly the 200-500 tickets he wrote out that night? Or the stack of writing Kenneth sent home from the Military... or the fact he quit writing home after the Highjacking?



Welcome aboard, btw.

I don't know...I'm no handwriting expert, for sure, but, going with the premise that the hijacker filled out the ticket rather than the ticket agent, I briefly looked at DAN vs VAN without magnification and I'm just not seeing the likeness at first glance. Slants, size, rounding looks different to me. Hopefully you will go into more detail. :)
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Because the truth is, I don't know. You don't listen. Maybe you're starting to believe the 900 comments. (*laughs*)


I didn't really need a big explanation from you trying to explain the fact that the two are the same. the bottom line is you just told Jo without any evidence (matchbook) she has nothing. "I saw those matches" "anyone could claim the same thing"

now, you are claiming KC wore a wig, but, you have zero proof other than someone telling you this correct? Testified and Testimony are court terms. was this a court record you are speaking of?

one of your witnesses states that KC stopped wearing the toupee shortly after the crime (*laughs*) she was able to pinpoint this 40 years later? give me a break Matlock (*giggles*) she states he didn't wear it to work, so I guess he was worried if he wore it to a movie theater someone would yell out "hey, look it's DB Cooper"
(*eyes roll to back of head*)

why is it you can't accept Jo stating she had those matches, but, you can claim KC wore a rug because someone said so? "Anyone could claim the same thing"

lets do a test shall we. I will replace the word matches with Toupee in your response to Jo.

Now, if the ID on the toupee was public knowledge shortly after the hijacking, then this changes everything. Then you have to provide the toupee Duane had, otherwise there is no evidence here. Anyone could claim the same thing, i.e. 'I saw the toupee'."

not the same (*laughs*)

"You kinda forgot about that part. I'm not in the habit of presenting available evidence without a means of verification"

what available evidence, someone telling you this? can you prove these statements, can you verify them with real evidence like a picture of KC with a toupee? otherwise there is no evidence here!

ah yes, the famous 900 comments shows up to rescue you once again. must you tell this story 900 times to get the point across about those stupid comments? it's been about 3 pages since you last commented about them. keep the quota up (*giggles*)
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Where is the news coverage of these great claims and
revelations. I happen to know there are 4-5 crack reporters in
News departments in Washington, all Cooper saavy, who aren't
reporting any of the Blevins-Geivette revelations and claims.

When is the story going to break from Eng, Fowler, etal since
their names are being dropped daily. "Eng looked at it and agrees
with hand writing analysis". We don't even have any public
statements being issued by Lindsay Lohan or Thomas Jefferson!

Sure the claimants have somebody willing to stand up and
support them publically? I know if I had just discovered the
wheel, or fire, I would definately want some support from the
tribe!

Has a press conference been scheduled. ?

How come when 4-5 crack reporters are contacted at their
stations, they and their producers quip "Blevins who?"...
"Geivette who?..."

I fail to understand how or why the Cooper Case having been
solved is being greeted with such little acclaim, support, or even
free Kool Aide at Shoppco!? Or at Ace Rubberbands Inc!?

Where are these alleged photos of Bigfoot?

In the meantime here's a prize winning pig! That is real!
Isnt she pretty ?

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Paul, are you suggesting that the DNA on the envelopes has now been tested?



I'm wondering the same thing. And are the results in? That's kind of how it sounds since the case is now solved since 6/13/13.

From Greycop's previous post: I reserve the rights to solving this case, not simply bringing a suspect to the forefront. As of 6/12/2013 was claimed unsolved by you and the FBI. As of 6/13/2013 I Claim it to be solved by me

Re: reserving rights. Is that just bragging rights or is there still a reward? Just curious - I think either the insurance company or NWA had one out there at one time - is it expired?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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***This is Paul Geivett, I am not a skydiver, or a pilot. I will always fall short on technical questions on these matters. I solved this case on the ground, not in the sky. No descriptions or vague memories, nor discrepancy of 1-2 inches, nor any description of color of clothing, nor the seat he sat in. This case has to be solved on forensics period.

Handwriting, DNA on and under stamps or envelope flaps. There are handwriting experts by the thousands that would love to have their name on this case for the pages of history and hands of time. The tickets of all the passengers should be and should have been collected that night... the ticket agent did NOT write the Van 9 letter, nor fill out the envelope to the Oregonian/Playboy letter.... nor fill out a 1958 flight log that seems to have Kenny Christiansens name on it. Nor did he fill out everything Kenny Christiansen wrote since he was in Kindergarten.

Have any of you looked at the ticket agents job application? and possibly the 200-500 tickets he wrote out that night? Or the stack of writing Kenneth sent home from the Military... or the fact he quit writing home after the Highjacking?



Welcome aboard, btw.

I don't know...I'm no handwriting expert, for sure, but, going with the premise that the hijacker filled out the ticket rather than the ticket agent, I briefly looked at DAN vs VAN without magnification and I'm just not seeing the likeness at first glance. Slants, size, rounding looks different to me. Hopefully you will go into more detail. :)
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He says Curtis Eng saw it right away and agreed!

I see a similarity in prints!

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"When is the story going to break from Eng, Fowler, etal since
their names are being dropped daily"

sounds to me like a phone call to Seattle would be the right thing to do?
can we verify the statements being made with a phone call?
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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"When is the story going to break from Eng, Fowler, etal since
their names are being dropped daily"

sounds to me like a phone call to Seattle would be the right thing to do?
can we verify the statements being made with a phone call?

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they are deluged by phone calls!

any sane person wants this all to go away -

Foodstamps in Washington will be cut just to pay for it!

The Blevins-Geivette Bill.

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Jo, where exactly is "Frenchman's Bar" are you sure you want to butt heads with someone who lives in Vancouver? at this point I don't see the need to go into auto assault mode. let the guy tell his story.



Note this is elementary my dear and if one has to explain it to the new guy there is NO reason for me to waste my time...he needs to do his OWN research

I suggest everyone here read Tosaw's book. I just made a long post and for some reason it would NOT post.

Page 100 / 101 is a very important statement by the Fazios.

I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!

Frenchman's bar and Tina's bar ARE NOT one and the SAME. The man does NOT know what he is talking about.

Remember that Tosaw made his extensive interviews on a personal level and did many test in REAL TIME.

"The fazios surmised that the money was probably washed ashore during the recent runoff from a big snow storm that covered the entire area. The brothers said that althought their poroperty is only a few feet above seal level, rarely --- maybe once or twice a yr. ---- does the river rise to the level where the money was found."

I am only posting part of what was in the original post - because of a time factor right now. READ the BOOK!
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Jo, where exactly is "Frenchman's Bar" are you sure you want to butt heads with someone who lives in Vancouver? at this point I don't see the need to go into auto assault mode. let the guy tell his story.



Note this is elementary my dear and if one has to explain it to the new guy there is NO reason for me to waste my time...he needs to do his OWN research

I suggest everyone here read Tosaw's book. I just made a long post and for some reason it would NOT post.

Page 100 / 101 is a very important statement by the Fazios.

I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!

Frenchman's bar and Tina's bar ARE NOT one and the SAME. The man does NOT know what he is talking about.

Remember that Tosaw made his extensive interviews on a personal level and did many test in REAL TIME.

"The fazios surmised that the money was probably washed ashore during the recent runoff from a big snow storm that covered the entire area. The brothers said that althought their poroperty is only a few feet above seal level, rarely --- maybe once or twice a yr. ---- does the river rise to the level where the money was found."

I am only posting part of what was in the original post - because of a time factor right now. READ the BOOK!



Jo, I never said they were the same. how can it be east of Tena Bar?

"I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!?

not possible Jo. you are telling me that someone sits in front of a computer waiting on you to make a post? are you kidding me??????
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Skyjack 71 says in part:

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'Cooper took the match book and I described it to Mr. H, but I had already thrown it out. One time I asked Duane what the fork and knife on it meant. He told me it was matches from a catering service he used to work for. Light faded blue with a green I think knife and fork on it. I have since seen photos courtesy of the thread of match books that looked just like it - other than the faded blue color. Time fades things as it has my mind...'



I would like to see testimony on this matchbook from Himmelsbach, i.e. that this matchbook was described to him by Jo, years before its 'identity' (SkyChef) was actually made public.



This was during the first yr I was talking to Himmelsbach. I did not have a recorder and can only hope he remembers it. I think one can go back to 101 and find I discussed this there. I even discussed it with JT, but HE never heard anything I ever told him.

I probably told the agent of record after I discussed it with Mr. H. It was a hectic time. For yrs I described the things in that drawer, but I was ignored. HOW and who To - I could not begin to recount. I didn't have a computer until 2000 so by then I would have had knowledge of the match book being taken - but in 1996 I was frantic on the phone with Mr. H.

I told Doug about this but our conversations didn't start until 1998 if I remember correctly. IT is all in my logs and my notes - but, who give a damn about those.
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When I was talking to Mr. H those first few months I told him the things I had seen and described them to him. We had a lengthy conversation about the match book. I describe the match book that was in the desk drawer, but remembe this I had NEVER seen or heard of SkyChef and didn't know what it was. I told Mr. H exactly what I told this thread - that I threw a lot of stuff away and that was one of the things I had asked Duane about. Mr. H told me the same thing - Weber could have gotten them from anywhere.

It is fair to ask for proof and the only thing I have is a conversation between Mr. H and myself. I thought he told the FBI everything, to me he was FBI.

Surely there is an expert out there who can take my desperate words and be able to analyze if I am lieing or if I am a desperate woman trying to get someone to hear the real truth...to hear what I do know and can tell if I am a liar or telling the truth. am a liar! Since I am not a liar and this is an actual truth I can only hope that someone - the FBI or someone finds the links that prove Duane was Cooper and if he wasn't he was right there with him.

Please GOD deliver me from this HELL on earth. Please! Please GOD help me get thru this PLEASE! Please help me to get people to hear me and know I have told the truth for 18 yrs now. I got lost along the way by listening to what others TRIED to drill into my mind, but I have held strong on what I do know. Damn YOU Duane! DAMN YOU! WHY didn't you SPELL it out for me! Made sure I understood what you were telling me and you tried. I am sorry I didn't listen more closely. I am sorry I didn't keep your "stuff". I kept the mouse and that spike thing you had. I don't know where you put the stub and the ticket and any of the money!

God HOLD me right now - PLEASE!
I can't take any more of this persecution....I can't hold on much longer. I have given it all I have.

BYE!
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I am HIGHLIGHTING THE FRENCHMANS BAR STATEMENT!

I AM ALSO HIGHLIGHTING THE OTHER ERRONEOUS STATEMENT that I addressed:


GreyCopGC148

The FBI states that the money had not been there longer than 1day to one year. FBI refused to give the Ingrams their reward, thus the involvement of attorney Townsend. Three year court battle ensued to get 50% of the recovered money.

The money did not arrive by natural means. If you don't believe me, ask the owner of the Ariel Store. Brian admitted it to her as well as me.

How he did not tell Blevins this on the same day I was standing there, or maybe you weren't there? at Frenchmans Bar (not Tina's bar)

How do you think the Ingrams got out through the gate, but on private property.... unless they knew somebody. Is it not true that you gained permission. You can not simply walk out there.

From the mouth of the Washougal River, to the mouth of the Lewis River, this is the only stretch of beach that cannot be accessed by the public


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I am HIGHLIGHTING THE FRENCHMANS BAR STATEMENT!

I AM ALSO HIGHLIGHTING THE OTHER ERRONEOUS STATEMENT that I addressed:


***The FBI states that the money had not been there longer than 1day to one year. FBI refused to give the Ingrams their reward, thus the involvement of attorney Townsend. Three year court battle ensued to get 50% of the recovered money.

The money did not arrive by natural means. If you don't believe me, ask the owner of the Ariel Store. Brian admitted it to her as well as me.

How he did not tell Blevins this on the same day I was standing there, or maybe you weren't there? at Frenchmans Bar (not Tina's bar)

How do you think the Ingrams got out through the gate, but on private property.... unless they knew somebody. Is it not true that you gained permission. You can not simply walk out there.

From the mouth of the Washougal River, to the mouth of the Lewis River, this is the only stretch of beach that cannot be accessed by the public




ok, my error, or someone didn't allow me to see it B| anyway he is speaking about where he was at that moment. and not on Tena's bar. how is he mixing things up?
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Jo wrote
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"I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!?



MrShutter wrote
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not possible Jo. you are telling me that someone sits in front of a computer waiting on you to make a post? are you kidding me??????



It actually would be possible if someone had shared control of her computer, but I don't believe for a moment that it is happening.

Jo has been advised MANY times how to prevent things from going "poof" (compose your post text in Word and set it up for autosave, then copy the text from the Word doc. and paste it on the Cooper forum form)... but Jo keeps on doing things the same old way. Sigh.

Jo, if things go "poof" when you are not connected to the Interet then there is no way some third party could be doing it as you type. Since you have dialup it is very easy to disconnect without any doubt. Just pull the phone line plug out of your computer.

You are not persecuted here Jo, you are challenged. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You cannot reasonably expect intense emotion and personal certainty to substiitute for objective evidence.

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Shutter stated:
Jo, I never said they were the same. how can it be east of Tena Bar?

Jo Replies:
Remember that I cannot position myself EAST and WEST in Washington. When I state EAST from Tena's bar I mean back toward the Bridge and Back toward Vancouver.
I do NOT keep a map of the area infront of me....I have tried to explain this before. To me standing on Tena's bar facing across the Columbia - East is to my left and West is to my right and infront of me is South and to the back is North.

I have had to explain this before, but that is OK. One has to just GET what I am trying to say sometimes. Before I had to explain my position in reference to Tena's bar. I now realized this confuses others as to what I am saying. Not the first time it has come up. Guess I need to get a map of the area and put it on the wall infront of the computer...so I can get directional comments correct.
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I have a thought here Jo. lets try something shall we? why don't we let Paul tell his story in a civil manor, and take from that point. you know nothing about him, you think you do, but, no proof he is who you think he is.

let the man speak. are you afraid of something? is this not a form where evidence is discussed? or is it just your evidence? should we judge him by looking only at the cover? people are already asking him questions in a respectable manor. let's try it?
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Jo wrote

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"I typed it all on the thread and it went POOF! Someone is monitoring what I post and if it does NOT meet with their standards they make sure it goes POOF!?



MrShutter wrote ***not possible Jo. you are telling me that someone sits in front of a computer waiting on you to make a post? are you kidding me??????



It actually would be possible if someone had shared control of her computer, but I don't believe for a moment that it is happening.

Jo has been advised MANY times how to prevent things from going "poof" (compose your post text in Word and set it up for autosave, then copy the text from the Word doc. and paste it on the Cooper forum form)... but Jo keeps on doing things the same old way. Sigh.

Jo, if things go "poof" when you are not connected to the Interet then there is no way some third party could be doing it as you type. Since you have dialup it is very easy to disconnect without any doubt. Just pull the phone line plug out of your computer.

You are not persecuted here Jo, you are challenged. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You cannot reasonably expect intense emotion and personal certainty to substiitute for objective evidence.

377

correct, this is why I was saying it's doubtful someone sits in waiting. cloning is the term I believe.
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I have a thought here Jo. lets try something shall we? why don't we let Paul tell his story in a civil manor, and take from that point. you know nothing about him, you think you do, but, no proof he is who you think he is.



Jo States: I am not afraid of this man's story, but because of who I think he is. Read your PM then you will understand.
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I have a thought here Jo. lets try something shall we? why don't we let Paul tell his story in a civil manor, and take from that point. you know nothing about him, you think you do, but, no proof he is who you think he is.



Jo States: I am not afraid of this man's story, but because of who I think he is. Read your PM then you will understand.



my box is empty? the FBI cleaned it out moments ago B|:P just kidding, but, I have no new PM's. nothing from you?
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Jo, I'm willing to offer you a better computer. I have about 10 computers here. this would at least help you better with documents, You Tube etc. just let me know where to send it, and I will with no problem.

E-machine
250 gig Hard Drive
1 gig of memory
XP-Professional operating system.
dial up modem
PDF reader

it's just sitting here collecting dust. it needs a home.
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Jo, I'm willing to offer you a better computer. I have about 10 computers here. this would at least help you better with documents, You Tube etc. just let me know where to send it, and I will with no problem.

E-machine
250 gig Hard Drive
1 gig of memory
XP-Professional operating system.
dial up modem
PDF reader

it's just sitting here collecting dust. it needs a home.


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You are a Saint! :) Makw sure it has win Office on it -
Word. She will need that to write her memoirs.. I love it!

The Good Guy Award 2013 goes to you hands down.

Where do I send it?

:D

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