CCharger 0 #42276 August 16, 2013 georger*** One of the names was something like Neustel, Nuetel or a sound alike names such as Knutson. Quote Nuttal? as in George Nuttal ? I think your mind is playing tricks on you. How about Abraham Lincoln? Nutella? Yum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42277 August 16, 2013 Can someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42278 August 16, 2013 This came across the news wire today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23731759 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57598871/area-51s-existence-acknowledged-by-cia-in-declassified-documents/ QuoteThe CIA has officially acknowledged the secret US test site known as Area 51, in a newly unclassified internal history of the U-2 spy plane program QuoteThe document, a secret 1992 internal CIA history of the U-2 programme, was originally declassified in 1998 with heavy redactions. Many of the blacked-out details were revealed this month after a public records request by the National Security Archive at the George Washington University in Washington DC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42279 August 16, 2013 CChargerCan someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? Let me do some speculating and I would like to emphasize that these are NOT necessarily Tom Kaye's conclusions even though he did the work that I am going to base these speculations on. Maybe he agrees with them and maybe not. Tom Kaye did quite a bit of research related to the rubber bands that were used to bundle the bills. In the rubber band analysis, which is on his web page, he lists a "Fact", an "Experimental Fact", and an "Interpretation" of those facts. See his web page for an explanation of the facts. Tom Kaye's interpretation of those facts is as follows: "Interpretation: The bundles must have been buried while the rubber bands were still pliable, within approximately one year of the skyjacking." If the bundles were covered with sand within about a year of the hijacking, then they must have been exposed to water action for a period of time before that to do the "torqueing" of the bills that is discussed on Tom Kaye's web page. For the "torqueing" to take place, the bottom of the bundle would have to be constrained in one place while a stream of water crossed the bundle in a manner that would fan out, or "torque", the bills. The time required for this "torqueing" would probably not be more than two or three weeks assuming the bundle was exposed to water throughout that time. Tom Kaye has also reported on his web page, that based on some of his other experiments, the money did not come down the Columbia River. In my opinion, it is logical to conclude that the money was at its found location and covered with sand within a few months of the hijacking at the very latest. An obvious conclusion is that the money entered the water very near where it was found. Consequently, there is no need for convoluted theories of an off-course airliner, Washougal River flooding, the money transported down the Columbia River and arriving at Tena Bar in near pristine condition, and then being acted on by water and sand to achieve the condition in which it was found. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42280 August 16, 2013 QuoteCan someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? A few weeks ago I posted my thoughts on the 2011 documentary "The Skyjacker that got away" featuring Kaye...he explains how he thinks the money got to Tena Bar.....Next Airing of the documentary in on Monday, August 19th 11am ET. QuoteI happen to catch a rerun of the National Geographic show "The SkyJacker that got Away" Starring! Coss, Kaye, Carr and a cast of many. My take aways.... Coss thinks Cooper was inexperieced Kaye thinks Cooper is Dead and thinks Cooper body, parachute and money got pulled "up-river" by the prop of a ship. The prop action and pulling might have caused the money bag to rip open, allowing the bundles of money to come out and deposit at Tena Bar. Cooper body probably in the ocean. Carr thinks Cooper is dead. My take on Kaye and Carr thinking Cooper is dead (a) only evidence found on the ground was the small amount of money (b) money was found on a river bank (c) He must have hit the cold water and died in the cold water. If I was to believe them, then I would think Cooper had a death wish. Oh Yea....something was said about KC but I only watched the last 1/2 hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42281 August 16, 2013 georger*** One of the names was something like Neustel, Nuetel or a sound alike names such as Knutson. Quote Nuttal? as in George Nuttal ? I think your mind is playing tricks on you. How about Abraham Lincoln? NO SILLY! Not Nuttal - he is just a NUT like me. At one time I had the name and now I have lost it again....old age and not writing things down! So much of what I have not told the thread is on paper and in my head, but I haven't made somethings public like the identity of this man. His first name was real weird - an Indian name I think. This person contacted Margie Boule when the article ran in 2001, but like me she didn't think it meant anything. She gave me lots of contact information - like the night Clerk and some witnesses...but for some reason this one we both glossed over. Then low and behold his name POPPED up and I knew I had the right guy and it was the same guy who contacted her trying to find me. This man died around 2004, but NOT before asking the FBI thru a 2ed and then 3rd party to help him obtain - my mind won't let me remember the name of the documents that would have protected his identity. He had information for the FBI, but did NOT want them to prosecute him. I believe all the man wanted to do was tell them who Cooper was, but he was afraid they would try to incriminate him. He never got that amnesty (finally remembered the word). Was told it had to go thru DC and not the state of WA.). All the man wanted to do was tell them he recognized the man who claimed he was Dan Cooper....and had known him from the past...in WA & ID & or OR. The name was NOT the same, but he knew the face. Needless to say he was afraid of being incriminated! I don't think he had anything to do with the crime, but if there was more than one it would have been this man. Both of them took what they knew to the grave. This name was also the same name as the one Duane told me and for some reason even today I cannot retain that name in my vocabulary. Georger, you KNOW the man I am referring to! Some one briefly posted his obit and then took it down. Whoever posted that KNEW - that was the person Duane was talking about and hoped it would trigger my brain. It did, but I didn't know what to do with what I had at that time. Like the man who wanted amnesty - no one would have believed me, but for yrs on this thread - I had tried to pull that name out of my memory and could not. Perhaps it was NOT meant to be - perhaps even in death someone is protecting and trying to do no harm. IF this was the same man and I do believe it was - he probably had NOTHING to do with the crime - just reconized the face, but not the name. His own reputation might have been tainted - and therefore he didn't want anyone to think he had anything to do with this - as it would have harmed his family and his security. NO he didn't recognize him from the composites, but the new article that Margie did (there were 2 of them) in 2001...not sure on that yr right now....not digging up the copy she sent me of what she was writing. I never got an actual copies of the new articles so I do NOT know what pictures she used. Would be nice to have hard copies of both stories - the actual newspaper articles.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42282 August 16, 2013 mrshutter45what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... Shutter - did Charger EVER reply to the post you made above - regarding Geivett? I do NOT remember seeing his reply. OF COURSE - charter is being selective and note how his posts directed at you for information state tie/tac. That is an old journalist & police tactic used on witnesses of crimes. Watch what he does with that! I see it coming - writer claims the Tie tac and the tie were purchased at J.C. Penneys. Maybe they were, but probably NOT as a set!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42283 August 16, 2013 CCharger***what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42284 August 16, 2013 testxyz*** Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Too many of us are interpreting it to mean what WE think it means. Kaye came to the thread and made a post for clarification, but I do not know how to search for it. He left margins in that statement - and if I was in his position I would have done the same thing. I was at Tina's (Tena's ) bar in 1979 with Duane Weber. He went down to that beach by himself and out of my sight. I have repeatedly asked and never got an answer about there being a small building on the beach near the fence and just behind the edge of the house from my standing point. I had been told by Fazion in 2001 that there used to be a shed there - they stored equipment they used on the beach and I assumed with the boats. This shed was on the river side of the wire fence. We were there about 7 months before the money was found! Less than a yr before it was found. The key is were was the money before it was put on the beach. It was buried in WA or OR somewhere in the area along the Columbia River and Duane retrived it in 1979 and it was damaged - so he made several deposits along the river. Anyone finding old rotten tattered 20's on him - would have put him in prison. Actually it was a pretty good idea because then they authorities thought Cooper died in the Columbia. It was a pretty good idea. What else can you do with molded unspendable money? Duane drove fast and he drank a lot - so his risk of being pulled over were pretty high. He couldn't burn it with me there...and hell who knows what went thru his mind. He was always the "Crook" who ended up getting caught. Remember that in Treasure Isle in 1958 when asked his occupations - he said "Crook, I guess". Duane did some really dumb things! WHY none of us will ever really know! I just know he could be the sweetest lovingest guy on the earth, but then there was another side to him that was scary! He covered up his fear by doing stupid crazy things...some of which an old friend told me about. Duane Weber was a complex personality. How many sales trainers would get up in front of a group of agents he worked with when asked what their opinion was about the NEW restrictions on how the leads would be worked. Duane made history with the company with his actions and they were addressed yrs later when they presented him with the Manage of the Yr Award in St. Martin just as he was going out on disablility. I had never heard the story and asked later if it was true - it was true. Duane had gone to the front of the room where the Regional and others out of Seattle were sitting and leaned over and FARTED! He left the room! They got the idea - when he was retired on disability it was WITH THIS SAME COMPANY. He left them several time, but they ALWAYS took him back. Heaven only knows WHY! He did work hard and he made the production and everyone like him - OBVIOUSLY since the rehired him at least 3 times after he - FARTED in their face. Duane was CRAZY. He would do crazy things and without thinking about the consequences!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42285 August 16, 2013 CCharger******what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. OOPS! Sorry! I start reading at the top a couple of pages back when there have been several postings. I responded before I got caught up! Sorry! I have been know to post to the same post twice when I do this. Guess I should mark down the number of the last post I read and start there. Just too darn much trouble.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42286 August 16, 2013 georger My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42287 August 16, 2013 skyjack71***Quote Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Jo, Stop trying to distract from what Tom Kaye plainly said on his web page by adding a lot of unrelated speculations in your posts. Tom Kaye's exact quote on when the money arrived at Tena Bar is quoted in my post no. 45920. And if you don't believe me, go to Tom's web page and check for yourself. Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000. Jo, Have you taken Shutter up on his offer of a computer? You should do so and you should also check out if the "aol" files that you claim you would lose if you upgraded from your dial-up ISP can be printed out or put on a DVD. Of course if you did up grade to a high speed ISP, you wouldn't be able to blame your misinformation on anyone except yourself. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42288 August 16, 2013 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt, but I have no verification of this. Also been unable to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #42289 August 17, 2013 testxyz Quote getting a Lawyer is not needed for a FOIA request. As far as DB Cooper I think we all know who has information...the FBI I never used a FOIA, but I have the seen results of a FOIA. Your right, be specific. (For ex.) If pages are missing from already released documents, ask for those page numbers. Don't give them a reason not to help. You can also visit the reading room at FBI headquarters in Washington DC. Below is a link to instructions on getting FBI records via FOIA. They have a phone number to call in order to find out the status of your FOIA. http://www.fbi.gov/foia they have all kinds of clauses that will block getting the info we need. it's an open case number one. then they will say certain parts are deemed "classified" they could say trade secrets are involved that could compromise the FBI etc. etc. it's worth a shot, but, don't hold your breath. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42290 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42291 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 *** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42292 August 17, 2013 Every WORD typed here is OWNED by DropZone. Ever notice.... © 2013 D4DR Media - All rights reserved At the bottom of the page? If Dropzone took this message board down tomorrow and decided to delete everything or not repost it.....Tough doo doo for everyone. With all the chaos that exists here I wouldn't be surprised if they took the board down. In the Beginning..... Quade said.... QuoteKeep it civil or it's all going to be trashed. If you'd like to discuss this topic without my moderation, Yahoo.com makes "groups" all day long. Feel free to use them. My 2 cents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42293 August 17, 2013 CCharger ****** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42294 August 17, 2013 Quoteit was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GreyCopGC148 0 #42295 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Hi, Paul Geivett here AKA GC148 The Grey Cop I have lived in Clark County my entire life and have spent more of my time than any other in the Washougal river area. Mainly in the Silver Star area. This is the mountain range that starts the Washougal rivers, there are two. This also starts the lower Lewis river that flows through La Center. The upper Lewis river starts on the South flanks of Mt St Helens, after passing through a series of dams that form three lakes. The lowest lake being Lake Merwin at Ariel, which then flows through Woodland and the two rivers reconnect at the lower Lewis, which then empties into the mighty Columbia. I have hunted the entire lower river road area where the DB Cooper money had been found. I live across the river from PDX Airport and view the runway Cooper's plane used that stormy night in 1971. I have jet skied the Columbia for over 20 years in temperatures ranging from 32 degrees F up to over 100. Snow skied Mt Hood my entire life, climbed Mt St Helens, and ride my motorcycles along the Lewis river highway. A route that takes me past Ariel dam on my way to Cougar Washington, putting me through La Center Wa at the beginning and end of each trip. As you can see, I live with and along Cooper's flight path along Vector 23. I watch jetliners leaving PDX. I love watching them leave in storms from our living room window . I think of DB Cooper ever time. In the 1980's, when I was still in my 20's, I purchased my first small home in downtown Vancouver on 27th st. Located close to vector 23 again. This was after the DB Cooper money had been found and I had long forgotten the name of the family that had found the money. A Lot of older people in my neighborhood had military backgrounds and lived close to the Veterans Hospital. Most people do not realize that Clark county has a US military history stretching back to the late 1800's (officers row Ft Vancouver etc) One day a man from across the street approached me and a long conversation ended with him stating to me, and I quote: "The people that found the DB Cooper money lived right next door to you before moving to California" I thought this was interesting, then he stated: " I have always wondered how it could still have the rubber bands on it" this was something I had never heard about (the rubber bands) until then. He then told me: " They had pulled up in a boat, and the children were told where to dig a firepit..and that is when it happened, the money was found that way" So I started to see if I could find out something more about this, and learned the name of the people: The Ingrams, and it was Brian that had found the money. The next time I approached my neighbor, I stated " So it was the Ingrams that lived next door to me" he looked puzzled and said no, it was B.A. "The Ingrams must be the people he took down to the river in his boat" This confused me.. The official story was that Brian Ingram had been walking along and saw a bundle of money while gathering kindling for a fire. When his father realized what his son had found, he allegedly dug near the same spot with a stick, unearthing a completely separate bundle, but of the same denomination: $20 bills. $2000 per bundle. After continuing to look with no avail, they decided to call the Clark County Sheriff, who then immediately notified the FBI. After the FBI had looked for several days with the assistance of a backhoe and operator supplied by nearby Fazio Brothers gravel quarry, the FBI found an additional bundle of money bringing the total found to $6000. Now my neighbor looked at me as confused and puzzled as I had been earlier. I simply assumed my neighbor did not have the correct story, which was completely understandable to me, but he looked at me with absolute certainty, almost with a smile on his face and said: " No, all the money was found at one time and they were digging a firepit" Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr To whom it may concern: I have never spoken to poster SKYJACK 71, I did however have a great conversation with DBGATOR FL305 ;) Shutter, you are correct about who has all the evidence PDX & SEATTLE Sincerely, Paul Geivett GC148 "I enjoyed the Grey Cop Game" DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film Written by Paul Geivett Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42296 August 17, 2013 Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. Quote Well your neighbor fed you a bunch of Whoppers(@). Not one word of what you say your neighbor said is true - Go back and READ THE THREAD for the facts if you're interested. This is no longer open for discussion - by me at least. Instead GO REED THE THRED. It's all there and more. Merry Christmas! Oh! and see you at the Lazy-Z reunion in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42297 August 17, 2013 GreyCopGC148 So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42298 August 17, 2013 Robert99 *** So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote It is 1000% obvious the poster doesn't know what he's talking about. If he got this nonsense from some neighbor then that neighbor was FOS. He doesn't even have the basic facts in had. So sorry. GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. BTW: a great deal of this is public record anyway. Why are these moroons guessing and making stories up about what is public record and public fact, in the first place. It was in the newspapers and on the radio! Obiously 'that neighbor' can;t read and hasa tin ear~! Its laughable. And Im talking specifically about Crystal Ingram married to Harold's brother and their daughter DENISE! Except for Harold's brother they were all there. And Crystal had at least one formal meeting with Himmeslbach etal at the FBI office in Portland. ............ REED THE THRED! This has all been laid out before years ago. (Maybe it got covered up by Weber and Blevins?) GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. See yawl at the Lazy-Z Reunion in Vancouver ... Yeeehaw! Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42299 August 17, 2013 Robert99 Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Robberrtt! You know how and why I say that. It was the last wk of Sept or the first day of Oct. 1979 the money was found Feb. 1980 - and Duane doesn't let me see a program on TV or read the newpaper. The only articles I got to read were AFTER he had left for the South - supposedly Ga or Al. By then I had forgotten his actions and I was busy trying to get ready to move and also selling a little insurance. My daughers birthday party and her graduation from high school and prom. March, April and May I was pretty busy with these things - and didn't pay a lot of attention to the news. Then when Duane lets us know where he is - he said he would be flying in for Donna's graduation, but then he chose to drive. He asked my daughter a lot of question about one of the teachers. Check out the names of the teachers there in 1979 and I think you just might get the drift. At the time I didn't give these things a second thought. Then in 1995 he makes a confession that I didn't understand. In 1996 I find out who DAN COOPER was - yea, I am a Southern Hick - I knew hardly antything about Cooper. I remembered the remarks he made in 1979 on that trip to WA and then I found Max's book. When I read a book and before I was on page 13, I was on the phone to the FBI. I think that was May 25, 1996 - the FBI didn't even believe me - they ignored me. I found a PI who helped me get a letter to Ralph Himmelsbach and he encouraged the FBI to talk to me. Until then they treated me like I was some kind of freak! The agent who came to see me didn't even know who Cooper was. He had to read up on him before our visit. The damn book I was reading was 95 percent fiction, but enough facts were there that the things that happened in CO and on that trip to WA and the strange things Duane said and did over the yrs. screamed at me - Oh my God he was Cooper! One of the school teachers had the same last name as one of the stewardess. I had thought it was Mucklow but Florence's husband was a teacher also (football). I found little to nothing about Tina's husband, but some about Florence husband. My daughter could not remember the names of the teachers and coaches other than the ones she studied under. Someone on this thread did a little searching into that matter, but we came up with nothing that was similar - yet, we could not obtain a full registar. At any rate he did ask about the teachers and since Duane never asked about her teachers before that was ODD. I would not look at this at that time as ODD in its entirety, but when I found out who Dan Cooper was - it made all of the things that happened from Feb 1980 to July of 1980 make sense. Since I had never had a man to seemingly love me and be so attentative the way Duane was - I guess I did not look at who he really was, but I knew nothing about his past - so I had no reason to suspect him. OH! Well, I do not know why the answer to your question led to the above post, but I will let it stand. I might not remember to tell it again and I might not get a chance to tell it again. I don't KNOW what Duane did when he was out of my sight at Tena's bar. he had told me he has spent some time in Wa. I figured it was all about private memories and I did not intrude in those. I know he was comtemplative and he seemed calm. He was adamate I stay in the car. I did NOT get out until he came back to the car at the parking lot. Then I got out to stretch and he told me a few things about that area. I did NOT question WHY he wanted to be a the river alone. I may have asked because that is when he told me about knowing a man who used to live in Portland. He told me a little about the area across the river. He told me he had one more stop to make at and I could go to the girls room there and get us some snacks at the machines - he knew exactly where they were. You could NOT see them from the front. He told me the restrooms and the office was on my left and the machine down to the right. There was at that time a way thru ot the back. He told me that is where we would be....again he is staring out at the river. Why the damn paper bag. No need in telling that story again I have told it till most of you know it by heart. NO I do not know what he did at Tena's bar, but considering after the fact the money was found there and he gets really nervous and leaves me at the most important part of my daughter's life and goes to the south. It was quick and it was fast - I didn't even know his job was in any jeopardy. Duane did NOT discuss things with me. I continued to work some of the lead and some of the last communications with the office in Denver came from me - returning leads and asking for a letter asking them for a confirmation of the communication. It is what happened before and after and before....Too many unusual thing Duane said and did on that trip and after the money find and then nothing for another 15 yrs and then tell me he is DAN Cooper - like I was supposed to know who Dan Cooper was!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42300 August 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins *** Quote it was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Who? I was talking about actual professional folks who work in media. Not Cooper Nuts. Actually, Marisa Kagan has gotten out of History Channel and is currently studying toward her law degree down in the LA area. Peter Berg is HERE. He's working with Nat Geo and has his own production company now. Quote Not Cooper Nuts. 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CCharger 0 #42277 August 16, 2013 Can someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #42278 August 16, 2013 This came across the news wire today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23731759 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57598871/area-51s-existence-acknowledged-by-cia-in-declassified-documents/ QuoteThe CIA has officially acknowledged the secret US test site known as Area 51, in a newly unclassified internal history of the U-2 spy plane program QuoteThe document, a secret 1992 internal CIA history of the U-2 programme, was originally declassified in 1998 with heavy redactions. Many of the blacked-out details were revealed this month after a public records request by the National Security Archive at the George Washington University in Washington DC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #42279 August 16, 2013 CChargerCan someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? Let me do some speculating and I would like to emphasize that these are NOT necessarily Tom Kaye's conclusions even though he did the work that I am going to base these speculations on. Maybe he agrees with them and maybe not. Tom Kaye did quite a bit of research related to the rubber bands that were used to bundle the bills. In the rubber band analysis, which is on his web page, he lists a "Fact", an "Experimental Fact", and an "Interpretation" of those facts. See his web page for an explanation of the facts. Tom Kaye's interpretation of those facts is as follows: "Interpretation: The bundles must have been buried while the rubber bands were still pliable, within approximately one year of the skyjacking." If the bundles were covered with sand within about a year of the hijacking, then they must have been exposed to water action for a period of time before that to do the "torqueing" of the bills that is discussed on Tom Kaye's web page. For the "torqueing" to take place, the bottom of the bundle would have to be constrained in one place while a stream of water crossed the bundle in a manner that would fan out, or "torque", the bills. The time required for this "torqueing" would probably not be more than two or three weeks assuming the bundle was exposed to water throughout that time. Tom Kaye has also reported on his web page, that based on some of his other experiments, the money did not come down the Columbia River. In my opinion, it is logical to conclude that the money was at its found location and covered with sand within a few months of the hijacking at the very latest. An obvious conclusion is that the money entered the water very near where it was found. Consequently, there is no need for convoluted theories of an off-course airliner, Washougal River flooding, the money transported down the Columbia River and arriving at Tena Bar in near pristine condition, and then being acted on by water and sand to achieve the condition in which it was found. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #42280 August 16, 2013 QuoteCan someone clear something up for me? Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? A few weeks ago I posted my thoughts on the 2011 documentary "The Skyjacker that got away" featuring Kaye...he explains how he thinks the money got to Tena Bar.....Next Airing of the documentary in on Monday, August 19th 11am ET. QuoteI happen to catch a rerun of the National Geographic show "The SkyJacker that got Away" Starring! Coss, Kaye, Carr and a cast of many. My take aways.... Coss thinks Cooper was inexperieced Kaye thinks Cooper is Dead and thinks Cooper body, parachute and money got pulled "up-river" by the prop of a ship. The prop action and pulling might have caused the money bag to rip open, allowing the bundles of money to come out and deposit at Tena Bar. Cooper body probably in the ocean. Carr thinks Cooper is dead. My take on Kaye and Carr thinking Cooper is dead (a) only evidence found on the ground was the small amount of money (b) money was found on a river bank (c) He must have hit the cold water and died in the cold water. If I was to believe them, then I would think Cooper had a death wish. Oh Yea....something was said about KC but I only watched the last 1/2 hour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42281 August 16, 2013 georger*** One of the names was something like Neustel, Nuetel or a sound alike names such as Knutson. Quote Nuttal? as in George Nuttal ? I think your mind is playing tricks on you. How about Abraham Lincoln? NO SILLY! Not Nuttal - he is just a NUT like me. At one time I had the name and now I have lost it again....old age and not writing things down! So much of what I have not told the thread is on paper and in my head, but I haven't made somethings public like the identity of this man. His first name was real weird - an Indian name I think. This person contacted Margie Boule when the article ran in 2001, but like me she didn't think it meant anything. She gave me lots of contact information - like the night Clerk and some witnesses...but for some reason this one we both glossed over. Then low and behold his name POPPED up and I knew I had the right guy and it was the same guy who contacted her trying to find me. This man died around 2004, but NOT before asking the FBI thru a 2ed and then 3rd party to help him obtain - my mind won't let me remember the name of the documents that would have protected his identity. He had information for the FBI, but did NOT want them to prosecute him. I believe all the man wanted to do was tell them who Cooper was, but he was afraid they would try to incriminate him. He never got that amnesty (finally remembered the word). Was told it had to go thru DC and not the state of WA.). All the man wanted to do was tell them he recognized the man who claimed he was Dan Cooper....and had known him from the past...in WA & ID & or OR. The name was NOT the same, but he knew the face. Needless to say he was afraid of being incriminated! I don't think he had anything to do with the crime, but if there was more than one it would have been this man. Both of them took what they knew to the grave. This name was also the same name as the one Duane told me and for some reason even today I cannot retain that name in my vocabulary. Georger, you KNOW the man I am referring to! Some one briefly posted his obit and then took it down. Whoever posted that KNEW - that was the person Duane was talking about and hoped it would trigger my brain. It did, but I didn't know what to do with what I had at that time. Like the man who wanted amnesty - no one would have believed me, but for yrs on this thread - I had tried to pull that name out of my memory and could not. Perhaps it was NOT meant to be - perhaps even in death someone is protecting and trying to do no harm. IF this was the same man and I do believe it was - he probably had NOTHING to do with the crime - just reconized the face, but not the name. His own reputation might have been tainted - and therefore he didn't want anyone to think he had anything to do with this - as it would have harmed his family and his security. NO he didn't recognize him from the composites, but the new article that Margie did (there were 2 of them) in 2001...not sure on that yr right now....not digging up the copy she sent me of what she was writing. I never got an actual copies of the new articles so I do NOT know what pictures she used. Would be nice to have hard copies of both stories - the actual newspaper articles.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42282 August 16, 2013 mrshutter45what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... Shutter - did Charger EVER reply to the post you made above - regarding Geivett? I do NOT remember seeing his reply. OF COURSE - charter is being selective and note how his posts directed at you for information state tie/tac. That is an old journalist & police tactic used on witnesses of crimes. Watch what he does with that! I see it coming - writer claims the Tie tac and the tie were purchased at J.C. Penneys. Maybe they were, but probably NOT as a set!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42283 August 16, 2013 CCharger***what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42284 August 16, 2013 testxyz*** Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Too many of us are interpreting it to mean what WE think it means. Kaye came to the thread and made a post for clarification, but I do not know how to search for it. He left margins in that statement - and if I was in his position I would have done the same thing. I was at Tina's (Tena's ) bar in 1979 with Duane Weber. He went down to that beach by himself and out of my sight. I have repeatedly asked and never got an answer about there being a small building on the beach near the fence and just behind the edge of the house from my standing point. I had been told by Fazion in 2001 that there used to be a shed there - they stored equipment they used on the beach and I assumed with the boats. This shed was on the river side of the wire fence. We were there about 7 months before the money was found! Less than a yr before it was found. The key is were was the money before it was put on the beach. It was buried in WA or OR somewhere in the area along the Columbia River and Duane retrived it in 1979 and it was damaged - so he made several deposits along the river. Anyone finding old rotten tattered 20's on him - would have put him in prison. Actually it was a pretty good idea because then they authorities thought Cooper died in the Columbia. It was a pretty good idea. What else can you do with molded unspendable money? Duane drove fast and he drank a lot - so his risk of being pulled over were pretty high. He couldn't burn it with me there...and hell who knows what went thru his mind. He was always the "Crook" who ended up getting caught. Remember that in Treasure Isle in 1958 when asked his occupations - he said "Crook, I guess". Duane did some really dumb things! WHY none of us will ever really know! I just know he could be the sweetest lovingest guy on the earth, but then there was another side to him that was scary! He covered up his fear by doing stupid crazy things...some of which an old friend told me about. Duane Weber was a complex personality. How many sales trainers would get up in front of a group of agents he worked with when asked what their opinion was about the NEW restrictions on how the leads would be worked. Duane made history with the company with his actions and they were addressed yrs later when they presented him with the Manage of the Yr Award in St. Martin just as he was going out on disablility. I had never heard the story and asked later if it was true - it was true. Duane had gone to the front of the room where the Regional and others out of Seattle were sitting and leaned over and FARTED! He left the room! They got the idea - when he was retired on disability it was WITH THIS SAME COMPANY. He left them several time, but they ALWAYS took him back. Heaven only knows WHY! He did work hard and he made the production and everyone like him - OBVIOUSLY since the rehired him at least 3 times after he - FARTED in their face. Duane was CRAZY. He would do crazy things and without thinking about the consequences!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42285 August 16, 2013 CCharger******what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. OOPS! Sorry! I start reading at the top a couple of pages back when there have been several postings. I responded before I got caught up! Sorry! I have been know to post to the same post twice when I do this. Guess I should mark down the number of the last post I read and start there. Just too darn much trouble.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42286 August 16, 2013 georger My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42287 August 16, 2013 skyjack71***Quote Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Jo, Stop trying to distract from what Tom Kaye plainly said on his web page by adding a lot of unrelated speculations in your posts. Tom Kaye's exact quote on when the money arrived at Tena Bar is quoted in my post no. 45920. And if you don't believe me, go to Tom's web page and check for yourself. Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000. Jo, Have you taken Shutter up on his offer of a computer? You should do so and you should also check out if the "aol" files that you claim you would lose if you upgraded from your dial-up ISP can be printed out or put on a DVD. Of course if you did up grade to a high speed ISP, you wouldn't be able to blame your misinformation on anyone except yourself. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42288 August 16, 2013 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt, but I have no verification of this. Also been unable to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #42289 August 17, 2013 testxyz Quote getting a Lawyer is not needed for a FOIA request. As far as DB Cooper I think we all know who has information...the FBI I never used a FOIA, but I have the seen results of a FOIA. Your right, be specific. (For ex.) If pages are missing from already released documents, ask for those page numbers. Don't give them a reason not to help. You can also visit the reading room at FBI headquarters in Washington DC. Below is a link to instructions on getting FBI records via FOIA. They have a phone number to call in order to find out the status of your FOIA. http://www.fbi.gov/foia they have all kinds of clauses that will block getting the info we need. it's an open case number one. then they will say certain parts are deemed "classified" they could say trade secrets are involved that could compromise the FBI etc. etc. it's worth a shot, but, don't hold your breath. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42290 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42291 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 *** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42292 August 17, 2013 Every WORD typed here is OWNED by DropZone. Ever notice.... © 2013 D4DR Media - All rights reserved At the bottom of the page? If Dropzone took this message board down tomorrow and decided to delete everything or not repost it.....Tough doo doo for everyone. With all the chaos that exists here I wouldn't be surprised if they took the board down. In the Beginning..... Quade said.... QuoteKeep it civil or it's all going to be trashed. If you'd like to discuss this topic without my moderation, Yahoo.com makes "groups" all day long. Feel free to use them. My 2 cents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CCharger 0 #42293 August 17, 2013 CCharger ****** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites testxyz 0 #42294 August 17, 2013 Quoteit was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GreyCopGC148 0 #42295 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Hi, Paul Geivett here AKA GC148 The Grey Cop I have lived in Clark County my entire life and have spent more of my time than any other in the Washougal river area. Mainly in the Silver Star area. This is the mountain range that starts the Washougal rivers, there are two. This also starts the lower Lewis river that flows through La Center. The upper Lewis river starts on the South flanks of Mt St Helens, after passing through a series of dams that form three lakes. The lowest lake being Lake Merwin at Ariel, which then flows through Woodland and the two rivers reconnect at the lower Lewis, which then empties into the mighty Columbia. I have hunted the entire lower river road area where the DB Cooper money had been found. I live across the river from PDX Airport and view the runway Cooper's plane used that stormy night in 1971. I have jet skied the Columbia for over 20 years in temperatures ranging from 32 degrees F up to over 100. Snow skied Mt Hood my entire life, climbed Mt St Helens, and ride my motorcycles along the Lewis river highway. A route that takes me past Ariel dam on my way to Cougar Washington, putting me through La Center Wa at the beginning and end of each trip. As you can see, I live with and along Cooper's flight path along Vector 23. I watch jetliners leaving PDX. I love watching them leave in storms from our living room window . I think of DB Cooper ever time. In the 1980's, when I was still in my 20's, I purchased my first small home in downtown Vancouver on 27th st. Located close to vector 23 again. This was after the DB Cooper money had been found and I had long forgotten the name of the family that had found the money. A Lot of older people in my neighborhood had military backgrounds and lived close to the Veterans Hospital. Most people do not realize that Clark county has a US military history stretching back to the late 1800's (officers row Ft Vancouver etc) One day a man from across the street approached me and a long conversation ended with him stating to me, and I quote: "The people that found the DB Cooper money lived right next door to you before moving to California" I thought this was interesting, then he stated: " I have always wondered how it could still have the rubber bands on it" this was something I had never heard about (the rubber bands) until then. He then told me: " They had pulled up in a boat, and the children were told where to dig a firepit..and that is when it happened, the money was found that way" So I started to see if I could find out something more about this, and learned the name of the people: The Ingrams, and it was Brian that had found the money. The next time I approached my neighbor, I stated " So it was the Ingrams that lived next door to me" he looked puzzled and said no, it was B.A. "The Ingrams must be the people he took down to the river in his boat" This confused me.. The official story was that Brian Ingram had been walking along and saw a bundle of money while gathering kindling for a fire. When his father realized what his son had found, he allegedly dug near the same spot with a stick, unearthing a completely separate bundle, but of the same denomination: $20 bills. $2000 per bundle. After continuing to look with no avail, they decided to call the Clark County Sheriff, who then immediately notified the FBI. After the FBI had looked for several days with the assistance of a backhoe and operator supplied by nearby Fazio Brothers gravel quarry, the FBI found an additional bundle of money bringing the total found to $6000. Now my neighbor looked at me as confused and puzzled as I had been earlier. I simply assumed my neighbor did not have the correct story, which was completely understandable to me, but he looked at me with absolute certainty, almost with a smile on his face and said: " No, all the money was found at one time and they were digging a firepit" Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr To whom it may concern: I have never spoken to poster SKYJACK 71, I did however have a great conversation with DBGATOR FL305 ;) Shutter, you are correct about who has all the evidence PDX & SEATTLE Sincerely, Paul Geivett GC148 "I enjoyed the Grey Cop Game" DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film Written by Paul Geivett Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42296 August 17, 2013 Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. Quote Well your neighbor fed you a bunch of Whoppers(@). Not one word of what you say your neighbor said is true - Go back and READ THE THREAD for the facts if you're interested. This is no longer open for discussion - by me at least. Instead GO REED THE THRED. It's all there and more. Merry Christmas! Oh! and see you at the Lazy-Z reunion in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #42297 August 17, 2013 GreyCopGC148 So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42298 August 17, 2013 Robert99 *** So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote It is 1000% obvious the poster doesn't know what he's talking about. If he got this nonsense from some neighbor then that neighbor was FOS. He doesn't even have the basic facts in had. So sorry. GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. BTW: a great deal of this is public record anyway. Why are these moroons guessing and making stories up about what is public record and public fact, in the first place. It was in the newspapers and on the radio! Obiously 'that neighbor' can;t read and hasa tin ear~! Its laughable. And Im talking specifically about Crystal Ingram married to Harold's brother and their daughter DENISE! Except for Harold's brother they were all there. And Crystal had at least one formal meeting with Himmeslbach etal at the FBI office in Portland. ............ REED THE THRED! This has all been laid out before years ago. (Maybe it got covered up by Weber and Blevins?) GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. See yawl at the Lazy-Z Reunion in Vancouver ... Yeeehaw! Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #42299 August 17, 2013 Robert99 Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Robberrtt! You know how and why I say that. It was the last wk of Sept or the first day of Oct. 1979 the money was found Feb. 1980 - and Duane doesn't let me see a program on TV or read the newpaper. The only articles I got to read were AFTER he had left for the South - supposedly Ga or Al. By then I had forgotten his actions and I was busy trying to get ready to move and also selling a little insurance. My daughers birthday party and her graduation from high school and prom. March, April and May I was pretty busy with these things - and didn't pay a lot of attention to the news. Then when Duane lets us know where he is - he said he would be flying in for Donna's graduation, but then he chose to drive. He asked my daughter a lot of question about one of the teachers. Check out the names of the teachers there in 1979 and I think you just might get the drift. At the time I didn't give these things a second thought. Then in 1995 he makes a confession that I didn't understand. In 1996 I find out who DAN COOPER was - yea, I am a Southern Hick - I knew hardly antything about Cooper. I remembered the remarks he made in 1979 on that trip to WA and then I found Max's book. When I read a book and before I was on page 13, I was on the phone to the FBI. I think that was May 25, 1996 - the FBI didn't even believe me - they ignored me. I found a PI who helped me get a letter to Ralph Himmelsbach and he encouraged the FBI to talk to me. Until then they treated me like I was some kind of freak! The agent who came to see me didn't even know who Cooper was. He had to read up on him before our visit. The damn book I was reading was 95 percent fiction, but enough facts were there that the things that happened in CO and on that trip to WA and the strange things Duane said and did over the yrs. screamed at me - Oh my God he was Cooper! One of the school teachers had the same last name as one of the stewardess. I had thought it was Mucklow but Florence's husband was a teacher also (football). I found little to nothing about Tina's husband, but some about Florence husband. My daughter could not remember the names of the teachers and coaches other than the ones she studied under. Someone on this thread did a little searching into that matter, but we came up with nothing that was similar - yet, we could not obtain a full registar. At any rate he did ask about the teachers and since Duane never asked about her teachers before that was ODD. I would not look at this at that time as ODD in its entirety, but when I found out who Dan Cooper was - it made all of the things that happened from Feb 1980 to July of 1980 make sense. Since I had never had a man to seemingly love me and be so attentative the way Duane was - I guess I did not look at who he really was, but I knew nothing about his past - so I had no reason to suspect him. OH! Well, I do not know why the answer to your question led to the above post, but I will let it stand. I might not remember to tell it again and I might not get a chance to tell it again. I don't KNOW what Duane did when he was out of my sight at Tena's bar. he had told me he has spent some time in Wa. I figured it was all about private memories and I did not intrude in those. I know he was comtemplative and he seemed calm. He was adamate I stay in the car. I did NOT get out until he came back to the car at the parking lot. Then I got out to stretch and he told me a few things about that area. I did NOT question WHY he wanted to be a the river alone. I may have asked because that is when he told me about knowing a man who used to live in Portland. He told me a little about the area across the river. He told me he had one more stop to make at and I could go to the girls room there and get us some snacks at the machines - he knew exactly where they were. You could NOT see them from the front. He told me the restrooms and the office was on my left and the machine down to the right. There was at that time a way thru ot the back. He told me that is where we would be....again he is staring out at the river. Why the damn paper bag. No need in telling that story again I have told it till most of you know it by heart. NO I do not know what he did at Tena's bar, but considering after the fact the money was found there and he gets really nervous and leaves me at the most important part of my daughter's life and goes to the south. It was quick and it was fast - I didn't even know his job was in any jeopardy. Duane did NOT discuss things with me. I continued to work some of the lead and some of the last communications with the office in Denver came from me - returning leads and asking for a letter asking them for a confirmation of the communication. It is what happened before and after and before....Too many unusual thing Duane said and did on that trip and after the money find and then nothing for another 15 yrs and then tell me he is DAN Cooper - like I was supposed to know who Dan Cooper was!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 245 #42300 August 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins *** Quote it was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Who? I was talking about actual professional folks who work in media. Not Cooper Nuts. Actually, Marisa Kagan has gotten out of History Channel and is currently studying toward her law degree down in the LA area. Peter Berg is HERE. He's working with Nat Geo and has his own production company now. Quote Not Cooper Nuts. 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skyjack71 0 #42282 August 16, 2013 mrshutter45what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... Shutter - did Charger EVER reply to the post you made above - regarding Geivett? I do NOT remember seeing his reply. OF COURSE - charter is being selective and note how his posts directed at you for information state tie/tac. That is an old journalist & police tactic used on witnesses of crimes. Watch what he does with that! I see it coming - writer claims the Tie tac and the tie were purchased at J.C. Penneys. Maybe they were, but probably NOT as a set!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCharger 0 #42283 August 16, 2013 CCharger***what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42284 August 16, 2013 testxyz*** Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Too many of us are interpreting it to mean what WE think it means. Kaye came to the thread and made a post for clarification, but I do not know how to search for it. He left margins in that statement - and if I was in his position I would have done the same thing. I was at Tina's (Tena's ) bar in 1979 with Duane Weber. He went down to that beach by himself and out of my sight. I have repeatedly asked and never got an answer about there being a small building on the beach near the fence and just behind the edge of the house from my standing point. I had been told by Fazion in 2001 that there used to be a shed there - they stored equipment they used on the beach and I assumed with the boats. This shed was on the river side of the wire fence. We were there about 7 months before the money was found! Less than a yr before it was found. The key is were was the money before it was put on the beach. It was buried in WA or OR somewhere in the area along the Columbia River and Duane retrived it in 1979 and it was damaged - so he made several deposits along the river. Anyone finding old rotten tattered 20's on him - would have put him in prison. Actually it was a pretty good idea because then they authorities thought Cooper died in the Columbia. It was a pretty good idea. What else can you do with molded unspendable money? Duane drove fast and he drank a lot - so his risk of being pulled over were pretty high. He couldn't burn it with me there...and hell who knows what went thru his mind. He was always the "Crook" who ended up getting caught. Remember that in Treasure Isle in 1958 when asked his occupations - he said "Crook, I guess". Duane did some really dumb things! WHY none of us will ever really know! I just know he could be the sweetest lovingest guy on the earth, but then there was another side to him that was scary! He covered up his fear by doing stupid crazy things...some of which an old friend told me about. Duane Weber was a complex personality. How many sales trainers would get up in front of a group of agents he worked with when asked what their opinion was about the NEW restrictions on how the leads would be worked. Duane made history with the company with his actions and they were addressed yrs later when they presented him with the Manage of the Yr Award in St. Martin just as he was going out on disablility. I had never heard the story and asked later if it was true - it was true. Duane had gone to the front of the room where the Regional and others out of Seattle were sitting and leaned over and FARTED! He left the room! They got the idea - when he was retired on disability it was WITH THIS SAME COMPANY. He left them several time, but they ALWAYS took him back. Heaven only knows WHY! He did work hard and he made the production and everyone like him - OBVIOUSLY since the rehired him at least 3 times after he - FARTED in their face. Duane was CRAZY. He would do crazy things and without thinking about the consequences!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42285 August 16, 2013 CCharger******what do you think about Paul Geivett. he's claiming the case will be closed this year based on his evidence. he has matched the 4 letters sent just after the crime and matching them to the ticket Cooper purchased and handwriting from KC..... I am not qualified to have an informed opinion of his claims. But I do know that the validity of handwriting analysis is dubious at best and worthless at worst. Also, his odd videos seem sketchy as well. It's been two months...where is the big announcement?? Yes, I did reply. This was my response. OOPS! Sorry! I start reading at the top a couple of pages back when there have been several postings. I responded before I got caught up! Sorry! I have been know to post to the same post twice when I do this. Guess I should mark down the number of the last post I read and start there. Just too darn much trouble.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42286 August 16, 2013 georger My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #42287 August 16, 2013 skyjack71***Quote Kaye's research demonstrated that the money had to have arrived at Tena Bar within a year. Did it end up on in the sand within a year of the hijacking? Or within a year of its discovery? This is the wording I understood and what Kaye seemed to say - I interpreted to mean the money was only on the beach or deposited there within a yr of it being found. Jo, Stop trying to distract from what Tom Kaye plainly said on his web page by adding a lot of unrelated speculations in your posts. Tom Kaye's exact quote on when the money arrived at Tena Bar is quoted in my post no. 45920. And if you don't believe me, go to Tom's web page and check for yourself. Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000. Jo, Have you taken Shutter up on his offer of a computer? You should do so and you should also check out if the "aol" files that you claim you would lose if you upgraded from your dial-up ISP can be printed out or put on a DVD. Of course if you did up grade to a high speed ISP, you wouldn't be able to blame your misinformation on anyone except yourself. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42288 August 16, 2013 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt, but I have no verification of this. Also been unable to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #42289 August 17, 2013 testxyz Quote getting a Lawyer is not needed for a FOIA request. As far as DB Cooper I think we all know who has information...the FBI I never used a FOIA, but I have the seen results of a FOIA. Your right, be specific. (For ex.) If pages are missing from already released documents, ask for those page numbers. Don't give them a reason not to help. You can also visit the reading room at FBI headquarters in Washington DC. Below is a link to instructions on getting FBI records via FOIA. They have a phone number to call in order to find out the status of your FOIA. http://www.fbi.gov/foia they have all kinds of clauses that will block getting the info we need. it's an open case number one. then they will say certain parts are deemed "classified" they could say trade secrets are involved that could compromise the FBI etc. etc. it's worth a shot, but, don't hold your breath. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #42290 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCharger 0 #42291 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 *** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #42292 August 17, 2013 Every WORD typed here is OWNED by DropZone. Ever notice.... © 2013 D4DR Media - All rights reserved At the bottom of the page? If Dropzone took this message board down tomorrow and decided to delete everything or not repost it.....Tough doo doo for everyone. With all the chaos that exists here I wouldn't be surprised if they took the board down. In the Beginning..... Quade said.... QuoteKeep it civil or it's all going to be trashed. If you'd like to discuss this topic without my moderation, Yahoo.com makes "groups" all day long. Feel free to use them. My 2 cents Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CCharger 0 #42293 August 17, 2013 CCharger ****** My opinion of you is based on yrs of dealing with individuals trying to develope their own story - you are feeding on these guys - Yo... Jo, take a break! Cool off. And PLEASE dont screw up the page format with your madd typing ... JO Repies! I didn't screw up the page format - you have done that more times than I have! I am venting! Someone has to watch over you guys when you go too far out of site. You might climb a tree you can't get out of without a little help...the last thing this thread needs is another movie producer or writer! When they play with the FACTS - it is a dead give away. When they play with Words - that is another RED light. I have NOT read ONE thing this man has brought to the table - he is using the thread and the yrs some of you put into this. Many of you have invested not only your time, but your money to learn the acquire the knowledge you have on the subject. HIS guy just wants to USE your information and when it comes back - I PROMISE U this - you will not recognize it...and you will not be happy with the results. Georger have you not learned NEVER to trust a writer with certain information? Remember how PISSED you got when Gray used your real name in his book! Well, sweetie you have not seen anything until you find out what this guy is after...by then it will be too late. This man doesn's want answers or in put - he already has all the answers. His Mission? Disassemble and dispurse and dismiss! He is directing the thread - not contributing! Wait and See! First, you accuse me of not contributing anything or bringing anything to he table, yet at the same time say I am trying to forward some agenda. Odd. I am very sorry my presence here threatens you and your story somehow, but I am not going anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #42294 August 17, 2013 Quoteit was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreyCopGC148 0 #42295 August 17, 2013 skyjack71 Robert99 stated: "Whatever Duane threw into the Columbia River in 1979 was not the money. I don't know what the fine would be in Washington state, but if Duane had thrown that trash into the river today from the Oregon side, he could be fined more than $6000." Jo Replies: I never said Duane THREW anything in the river at Tena's bar. I said he buried it behind the house and on the beach behind the house. It is extremely important you understand the statement. Buried and behind the house and on the beachside of the old fence. I have learn not to trust anymore. It has become a real issue for me...but, life goes on! My radar is right 98% of the time. I hate users and that is the vibration I am feeling. I know I had some miss givings about Shutter in the beginning, but he turned out to be a pretty good researcher and was working really hard for information. The new guy wants a GIMME and He doesn't want to work for his story. Note how he leads you and then in the next post he has 'directed' the information to be as he wants it to read. He makes it sutle, but when someone is as heavy vested in this as I am - it makes me mad. Too many yrs to have someone make a shambles out of the collective information this thread has assembled. He is WORST than Blevin and BK put together - at least with those 2 we know what we are dealing with. You shared with me "throwing" and I made sure you knew he put something on the shore line near the fence and near a shed of some kind. Duane did throw something into the river twice - but that WAS NOT at Tena's bar. 1. He threw something out of the car window when we crossed that big old iron bridge from OR back to WA. Remember Duane made a side trip to OR before we got to Vancouver. I could NEVER make JT understand this at all. That was when Duane made the remark about it being a candy wrapper. 2. The second stop was an area just short of being directly across from the PDX. That is where he had me stay in the car - instructions "Stay in the car". This was the point he walked down to the river and I could not see him and then later he came up - he had the snow shovel with him...and he popped the trunk - it was positioned where I could NOT see what he was putting in or taking out. 3. The stop at the GREEN tank - I get out of the car with him. He didn't do anything there . 4. The Tena's bar....stop - I stay in car. He goes down to the river ALONE and out of my site behind the house. 5. The RED LION - this is where he threw the paper bag in to the river off of the pilings. ================== Hopefully I have listed these so you guys can keep it straight. I won't be around to get it staight when the authorities decide to let the light shine on the real identity of Cooper. I expect they will let him ride off into the sunset with one of the very 1st suspects - Coffelt. Amazing when I mention Coffelt - the FBI nor some of the Cooper posters have a clue who Coffelt was....a suspect long gone and who no one remembers other than myself and the man who wrote about him. It is purported the man did some programs on Coffelt but I have no varification of this. Also been able to make contact with him for ages - he maybe deceased or in a nursing home. He did NOT sound well the last time I spoke to him. His name is one that drifted into the back ground - writer and TV commentator. Hi, Paul Geivett here AKA GC148 The Grey Cop I have lived in Clark County my entire life and have spent more of my time than any other in the Washougal river area. Mainly in the Silver Star area. This is the mountain range that starts the Washougal rivers, there are two. This also starts the lower Lewis river that flows through La Center. The upper Lewis river starts on the South flanks of Mt St Helens, after passing through a series of dams that form three lakes. The lowest lake being Lake Merwin at Ariel, which then flows through Woodland and the two rivers reconnect at the lower Lewis, which then empties into the mighty Columbia. I have hunted the entire lower river road area where the DB Cooper money had been found. I live across the river from PDX Airport and view the runway Cooper's plane used that stormy night in 1971. I have jet skied the Columbia for over 20 years in temperatures ranging from 32 degrees F up to over 100. Snow skied Mt Hood my entire life, climbed Mt St Helens, and ride my motorcycles along the Lewis river highway. A route that takes me past Ariel dam on my way to Cougar Washington, putting me through La Center Wa at the beginning and end of each trip. As you can see, I live with and along Cooper's flight path along Vector 23. I watch jetliners leaving PDX. I love watching them leave in storms from our living room window . I think of DB Cooper ever time. In the 1980's, when I was still in my 20's, I purchased my first small home in downtown Vancouver on 27th st. Located close to vector 23 again. This was after the DB Cooper money had been found and I had long forgotten the name of the family that had found the money. A Lot of older people in my neighborhood had military backgrounds and lived close to the Veterans Hospital. Most people do not realize that Clark county has a US military history stretching back to the late 1800's (officers row Ft Vancouver etc) One day a man from across the street approached me and a long conversation ended with him stating to me, and I quote: "The people that found the DB Cooper money lived right next door to you before moving to California" I thought this was interesting, then he stated: " I have always wondered how it could still have the rubber bands on it" this was something I had never heard about (the rubber bands) until then. He then told me: " They had pulled up in a boat, and the children were told where to dig a firepit..and that is when it happened, the money was found that way" So I started to see if I could find out something more about this, and learned the name of the people: The Ingrams, and it was Brian that had found the money. The next time I approached my neighbor, I stated " So it was the Ingrams that lived next door to me" he looked puzzled and said no, it was B.A. "The Ingrams must be the people he took down to the river in his boat" This confused me.. The official story was that Brian Ingram had been walking along and saw a bundle of money while gathering kindling for a fire. When his father realized what his son had found, he allegedly dug near the same spot with a stick, unearthing a completely separate bundle, but of the same denomination: $20 bills. $2000 per bundle. After continuing to look with no avail, they decided to call the Clark County Sheriff, who then immediately notified the FBI. After the FBI had looked for several days with the assistance of a backhoe and operator supplied by nearby Fazio Brothers gravel quarry, the FBI found an additional bundle of money bringing the total found to $6000. Now my neighbor looked at me as confused and puzzled as I had been earlier. I simply assumed my neighbor did not have the correct story, which was completely understandable to me, but he looked at me with absolute certainty, almost with a smile on his face and said: " No, all the money was found at one time and they were digging a firepit" Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr To whom it may concern: I have never spoken to poster SKYJACK 71, I did however have a great conversation with DBGATOR FL305 ;) Shutter, you are correct about who has all the evidence PDX & SEATTLE Sincerely, Paul Geivett GC148 "I enjoyed the Grey Cop Game" DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film Written by Paul Geivett Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #42296 August 17, 2013 Then it happened, then he told me something that would only be known to the people that were on the beach that day, not even the FBI. "It was really the little girl that unearthed the money, not the other kid (Brian) She was too scared and shy to go in front of the news reporters and cameras" Now I knew someone was hiding something and still didn't understand the BA Connection... I soon learned it. My neighbor told me BA _____________where the Cooper money had been found.. He told me and I quote: "BA kept saying how badly the FBI had treated the Ingrams, one of them had actually gone to jail on an out of state warrant. I really started to research the finding of the money. I thought for sure the I would find out where the little girl had now taken credit for finding the money, but no. So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. Quote Well your neighbor fed you a bunch of Whoppers(@). Not one word of what you say your neighbor said is true - Go back and READ THE THREAD for the facts if you're interested. This is no longer open for discussion - by me at least. Instead GO REED THE THRED. It's all there and more. Merry Christmas! Oh! and see you at the Lazy-Z reunion in November. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #42297 August 17, 2013 GreyCopGC148 So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #42298 August 17, 2013 Robert99 *** So now I knew there were still secrets being kept about how the DB Cooper money was found. This would lead me on a 23 year quest for the truth that ended on the banks of the Columbia river when I spoke to Brian Ingrams and FBI special agent Larry Carr Thanks for the information. There are more stories in circulation as to who found the money and what was actually found at Tena Bar than there are people to tell them. But all of them seem to have some common ground in stating that it was not Brian Ingram who found the money and that the Ingrams didn't notify the law enforcement people, at least not the FBI, until the next day (which was a Monday) and not until they had talked to some other people about the money. Then the FBI didn't visit Tena Bar until Tuesday. Are you willing to elaborate on what you talked to Ingram and Carr about? And do you have any more information on the specific location where the bundles of money were found? Also, were shreds of bills found in the area and was all of the money at about the same level in the sand? There is probably more disinformation out about the money and its discovery than valid information. Robert99 Quote It is 1000% obvious the poster doesn't know what he's talking about. If he got this nonsense from some neighbor then that neighbor was FOS. He doesn't even have the basic facts in had. So sorry. GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. BTW: a great deal of this is public record anyway. Why are these moroons guessing and making stories up about what is public record and public fact, in the first place. It was in the newspapers and on the radio! Obiously 'that neighbor' can;t read and hasa tin ear~! Its laughable. And Im talking specifically about Crystal Ingram married to Harold's brother and their daughter DENISE! Except for Harold's brother they were all there. And Crystal had at least one formal meeting with Himmeslbach etal at the FBI office in Portland. ............ REED THE THRED! This has all been laid out before years ago. (Maybe it got covered up by Weber and Blevins?) GO BACK AND REED THE THRED. See yawl at the Lazy-Z Reunion in Vancouver ... Yeeehaw! Merry Christmas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #42299 August 17, 2013 Robert99 Jo, If Duane was out of your sight at Tena Bar, how do you know what he did there? Robert99 Robberrtt! You know how and why I say that. It was the last wk of Sept or the first day of Oct. 1979 the money was found Feb. 1980 - and Duane doesn't let me see a program on TV or read the newpaper. The only articles I got to read were AFTER he had left for the South - supposedly Ga or Al. By then I had forgotten his actions and I was busy trying to get ready to move and also selling a little insurance. My daughers birthday party and her graduation from high school and prom. March, April and May I was pretty busy with these things - and didn't pay a lot of attention to the news. Then when Duane lets us know where he is - he said he would be flying in for Donna's graduation, but then he chose to drive. He asked my daughter a lot of question about one of the teachers. Check out the names of the teachers there in 1979 and I think you just might get the drift. At the time I didn't give these things a second thought. Then in 1995 he makes a confession that I didn't understand. In 1996 I find out who DAN COOPER was - yea, I am a Southern Hick - I knew hardly antything about Cooper. I remembered the remarks he made in 1979 on that trip to WA and then I found Max's book. When I read a book and before I was on page 13, I was on the phone to the FBI. I think that was May 25, 1996 - the FBI didn't even believe me - they ignored me. I found a PI who helped me get a letter to Ralph Himmelsbach and he encouraged the FBI to talk to me. Until then they treated me like I was some kind of freak! The agent who came to see me didn't even know who Cooper was. He had to read up on him before our visit. The damn book I was reading was 95 percent fiction, but enough facts were there that the things that happened in CO and on that trip to WA and the strange things Duane said and did over the yrs. screamed at me - Oh my God he was Cooper! One of the school teachers had the same last name as one of the stewardess. I had thought it was Mucklow but Florence's husband was a teacher also (football). I found little to nothing about Tina's husband, but some about Florence husband. My daughter could not remember the names of the teachers and coaches other than the ones she studied under. Someone on this thread did a little searching into that matter, but we came up with nothing that was similar - yet, we could not obtain a full registar. At any rate he did ask about the teachers and since Duane never asked about her teachers before that was ODD. I would not look at this at that time as ODD in its entirety, but when I found out who Dan Cooper was - it made all of the things that happened from Feb 1980 to July of 1980 make sense. Since I had never had a man to seemingly love me and be so attentative the way Duane was - I guess I did not look at who he really was, but I knew nothing about his past - so I had no reason to suspect him. OH! Well, I do not know why the answer to your question led to the above post, but I will let it stand. I might not remember to tell it again and I might not get a chance to tell it again. I don't KNOW what Duane did when he was out of my sight at Tena's bar. he had told me he has spent some time in Wa. I figured it was all about private memories and I did not intrude in those. I know he was comtemplative and he seemed calm. He was adamate I stay in the car. I did NOT get out until he came back to the car at the parking lot. Then I got out to stretch and he told me a few things about that area. I did NOT question WHY he wanted to be a the river alone. I may have asked because that is when he told me about knowing a man who used to live in Portland. He told me a little about the area across the river. He told me he had one more stop to make at and I could go to the girls room there and get us some snacks at the machines - he knew exactly where they were. You could NOT see them from the front. He told me the restrooms and the office was on my left and the machine down to the right. There was at that time a way thru ot the back. He told me that is where we would be....again he is staring out at the river. Why the damn paper bag. No need in telling that story again I have told it till most of you know it by heart. NO I do not know what he did at Tena's bar, but considering after the fact the money was found there and he gets really nervous and leaves me at the most important part of my daughter's life and goes to the south. It was quick and it was fast - I didn't even know his job was in any jeopardy. Duane did NOT discuss things with me. I continued to work some of the lead and some of the last communications with the office in Denver came from me - returning leads and asking for a letter asking them for a confirmation of the communication. It is what happened before and after and before....Too many unusual thing Duane said and did on that trip and after the money find and then nothing for another 15 yrs and then tell me he is DAN Cooper - like I was supposed to know who Dan Cooper was!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 245 #42300 August 17, 2013 RobertMBlevins *** Quote it was Marisa Kagan and Peter Berg (formerly of History Channel) who discovered certain things on Geestman and Christiansen that even I was not aware of. Don't forget about Paul Geivett. Who? I was talking about actual professional folks who work in media. Not Cooper Nuts. Actually, Marisa Kagan has gotten out of History Channel and is currently studying toward her law degree down in the LA area. Peter Berg is HERE. He's working with Nat Geo and has his own production company now. Quote Not Cooper Nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
