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mrshutter45

"I do not think that is a picture of the actual plane - because there should be a 1/2 wheel on the door and I don't seen the bump seat or the Galley. I would guess that is because the Aft door is opened in that picture as you stated."

Jo, that is the plane. you can see the numbers on the back. those are the stairs in the back. the part that is connected to the plane. this is also the part where you see the guys sliding down and out of the plane in the video. metal was put over the first couple steps leading out of the plane. the actual stairs were removed for that exercise.

Then I was seeing it right - what you said is what I indicated, but I could not see the galley. They look so small in pictures, but when you were on one if felt like it was large.

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thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

what are the measurements of the countertop you have?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

***thousands of people put wood between the rafter in order to store heavy objects. it makes no sense to build a box in a attic to hide something. you could simply cover it with insulation. you have nothing but 1/2 to 3/4 inch drywall in the ceiling. rafter/joist/roof truss. we did this up north many times in different homes. secret trap door lol. not buying it.

Really? What items could you possibly store in an attic where there is no access from inside the home...and where the only access is an attic vent barely large enough to squeeze through?

The octagonal attic vent that provided the only access was only 18" wide on a good day. You can't reach it without an extension ladder. And it was secured by screws all around. Don't take my word for it. Drive to Bonney Lake and look for yourself.


where was the access located on the house. and what was the mesurements of what you have?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I understand what you are saying. which side of the house. if I'm looking at the house, is it left or right? what is the size of the piece you have?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

***I understand what you are saying. which side of the house. if I'm looking at the house, is it left or right? what is the size of the piece you have?

I already said the size in an earlier post. Can't recall exactly. I would have to drag it out again and measure it...which I'm unwilling to do at this moment 'cause Seahawks are playing, okay? There, I said it. It's buried in the office closet packed in a white bag.


it appears that the roof was fixed at one time inside the attic. you can clearly see this by the difference in the wood. the wood cross member (2x4) joining the roof trusses appear to be from the same circa, matching in age. I also like how they added it was hinged. how do you know there was never an entrance from inside? so, again you have no idea why the wood was up there other than implying it was made for storing large sums of money?

it also appears that the circular vent has been added or changed from it's original design. they even cut part of the existing 2x6 or 2x8 A frame section (top). I'm sure this house has been completely restored inside. it's also possible the person who repaired the inside of the attic used this wood for support while working.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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How do you know I have talked to Eng? Can you quote where I said that?

You did say it and immediately went back and took it out. I suppose you were talking Tongue in Cheek because you came back immediatly and countered me. When I went back to the post the reference to Eng had been removed.

You did state with much authority that Cooper used Benazdrine - You established a FACT and expected everyone who responded to agree with you. You deleted it and corrected it almost immediately, but you did say it! I then made a posting repremanding you on that and when I went back to your post it was gone.

If I address your postings again - I will make sure to make a copy of it first. I do not usually do that because it makes the postings too lenghty. When I do it is for a reason or to make a point.

There is too much going on right now for me to even post much!

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How do you know I have talked to Eng? Can you quote where I said that?

You did say it and immediately went back and took it out. I suppose you were talking Tongue in Cheek because you came back immediatly and countered me. When I went back to the post the reference to Eng had been removed.

You did state with much authority that Cooper used Benazdrine - You established a FACT and expected everyone who responded to agree with you. You deleted it and corrected it almost immediately, but you did say it! I then made a posting repremanding you on that and when I went back to your post it was gone.

If I address your postings again - I will make sure to make a copy of it first. I do not usually do that because it makes the postings too lenghty. When I do it is for a reason or to make a point.

There is too much going on right now for me to even post much!

Now this is just ridiculous. I have never gone back and changed any of my posts with one exception. I removed the post about your husband not being a viable suspect. I only did that because I felt it was unnecessarily hurtful to you. All other posts have remained original other than fixing typos or adding info..

So, no I never stated that I spoke with Eng. Perhaps I have. Perhaps not. But I can tell you I never said one way or the other on this forum.

I also never said Coop used Benzedrine. I stated as fact that he had Benzedrine pills on his person. I merely speculated on his use and what that might mean.

So, not only are you unreasonable, but also completely incorrect...yet again!

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Have you ever walked the property? Found where the bag of cash was allegedly found?

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Going back to a post - I realized that I was finally heard in D.C. I sent a letter to the head of the FBI and I think what is happening today is a result of that.

Yrs ago a man in WA was fighting to get these files made public, but he died before he could do it. I have mentioned the man's name in the past...but will not talk about this publically at this time. I had been recieving some anoymous emails and a phone call. The person was genuine and I think he knew of my plight and knew he was dying. I knew who he was but did NOT know him.

Nothing happened and I saw that he had died. So I knew the man was trying to help me - and did not think it fair I was dealing with all of this. He felt the files should NOT be held closed. I would later talk to a relative of his...who confirmed this and that I would probably never know what was behind it all.

Until NOW - I didn't think it would ever happen. Yes, a lot of what is going to be made public is going to have names redacted, but the story is there. All the things and the people I talked about. I am NOT out of my mind and I knew I didn't dream it or make it up.

It was a real conversations with some real people.
Remember some of these excerps from other postings?

Duane and I went to Denver for the Holidays in 1979 - actually it was celebration for the 2 guys. The man with one leg. The alcohol was abundant and the tongues were loose. I had related some of the conversation yrs ago and really felt uncomfortable with it. All about La Vegas and some area below that.
The talked about contamination that would be there for ys. This was all in the same discussion as Howard Hughes, Texas,

The man who made the golf clubs.

Duane took me to the airport and the told me about every plane out there. This is when he told me they worked for a service involved with the planes...but it was much deeper. The wife of the day did verified this, but she also so talked about Arizona, Tx, CO and NV. - just as Duane and these other guys. I still didn't get it.

Over the yrs there was SO much that Duane actually told me, but I didn't see it....there was just too much for it not to be true. Then the FBI says he spent most of his adult life in prisons and I find out all that is true, but then Weber disappears off the face of the earth for a few yrs.

Now it will for the most part be made public, but why now? Now most of the people involved are deceased - but, hopefully they will not redact the names of those who are deceased.

The conversation were about Area 51, but all I could think of was the Alien thing. I did not know I was sitting with people out of history. Back then things just went over my head - but I absorb them but never had a reason to find out what they had been discussing. My poor attempts and my pea brain did not GET it.

Skunk Works - that was in Ca. Then I knew why the wife and Duane went to California in the 60's but just for a couple of wks - he put her into a nice motel and came back after a few days. She told me about Paperlegs just as Duane did. In other words I had part of the story right, but I had filled in the blank incorrectly.

I guess that is why I kept doing a double take on the Skunk find. I didn't know where I had heard the terminolgy and why was this Skunk connected to Cooper. The Skunk story is a hoax - but, it was also sending a message....to whoever might just GET it. I DID NOT GET IT! I did a post early on reliving the things Duane told me and the things he did - I just was always afraid to tell everything he told me.

But with more than one person Duane knew they talked about Reno, the Desert not far from Las Vegas and about contamination that no one might know was there.
I heard some of these guys had a reunion of sort several yrs ago.

I thought Duane and the guys he knew were talking about where the Alien thing was supposed to be - but Area 51 was something altogether different. I hate history and that is the one subject I had to really work on. This was current history, yet it is American history and the part that always turned me inside out - secrets...too many secrets.

Now the are declassifing the Documents and some names will be redacted, but now these guys who are all over the hill and most of them deceased can finally talk about what they did. Not all of the men were military or CIA - some were convicts needing the money to start over and it was good. Now I understand Paradise - no not the Paradise in WA - now I know what these guys had in common and what the connection was. The black trumpet player in N.Orleans and the man in AL that we went to see and I couldn't find and Duane didn't want me inside. These guys all knew Duane as John Collins or another alias such as Dusty or Carson or Claudian or Claude.

My expectations I am sure will be dashed against the wall or throw off a tall building, but it is the first time my life with Weber made sense. I think information was concealed from the FBI about Duane - communciations with the man who died tried to help and then his brother. The one who died was trying to get the information I needed released, but had no expectation of it coming soon.

I feel like the weight of the world has been lifted from my shoulders. I would love to have confirmation, but like Jerry said I might not get it in my life time - but NOW I know and I don't feel haunted anymore.

Secrets this government keeps has destroyed to many lives - too many. How many of you knew the truth all along - Georger did you?

Men I thought were criminals like Duane were real...some of them not criminals but they all had a common link - one they couldn't talk about! Amongst them was the man who SKYJACKED a plane. Cooper. I think when MrShutter uncovered the Jefferson picture it caused some eyes to open wide.

Oh Well, it is a good story anyway! But it sounds better than the avenue I took on my own.
Or is it the Truth! Does anyone want to bet on the outcome?

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The CASE is closed!

DB Cooper was John "Dusty" Collins aka Duane L. Weber.

The wildest & longest ride a widow has ever been on!

17 yrs and 3 months!

I am exhausted, but it is finally OVER!

The government took long enough but I am one damn TOUGH COOKIE and I have fought a good battle against ODDs NONE of you would ever want to have to stand up against.

Not one of you would put your mother or sister through what I have been through to obtain JUSTICE.

Not sure the FBI even knows the outcome, but they will - VERY SOON!

It is after 2 PM in the morning here and I have to get some sleep. A lot of books out there will have to be rewritten or just thrown in the garbage as they have no value.

When the truth is told - some of you should feel pretty bad and there will be some wounds to heal. On August 24th I will have sacrificed 17 yrs and 3 months of my life to find justice...and now it is OVER and Done.

The widow of "The Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier"

Duane Lorin Weber was born on June 18, 1924 and died March 28, 1995.

Today is August 18, 2013 and the ride is over - the hunt is over!

How Appropriate today is the 18th.
Good night - it has been a long long 18 yrs and 6 months since he died taking with him what others hoped would remain a secret till the end of time.

Why he left that magazine in the safe deposit box I had no knowledge of.

The Man Who Held The Secrets!

Time for the GOVERNMENT to make itself accountable. Yea, I have a Grudge!

CASE is NOW CLOSED!

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Jo, you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Marla Cooper...2011 states the case will soon be closed.
Jo Weber........2012, 2013 states. The case is closed
Paul Geviett....6/13/2013 states the case has been solved.

all 3 of you have one thing in common. no real physical proof.
Paul is new to this, so, we are waiting on his proof.

all 3 suspects LD, KC, & Duane Weber have been in the spotlight
many times over. not one single person has come forward. there
pictures have been in the public view for years, no leads have
surfaced from them. they have gained attention, but, no proof.
lot's of he said, she said though.

Blevins states: "Margie always voiced a fear of the FBI in interviews."

it's possible they are in fear of being caught in story telling. they have
nothing to fear talking to the FBI at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBS0OWGUidc

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Only Law Enforcement can rightfully be the first to say case closed.

Any amatuer sleuth who declares "CASE CLOSED" before Law Enforcement is wishful thinking and desperate for attention.

I think a couple of people here really don't believe their suspect is D.B. Cooper DEEP DOWN (these people do seem SANE), they just like to keep their selfish superficial fantasy going.

There is more to life than constantly hitting your head on the same wall, find a door and go in a different direction.

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you realize 3 of you are now stating case closed.

Only Law Enforcement can rightfully be the first to say case closed.

Any amatuer sleuth who declares "CASE CLOSED" before Law Enforcement is wishful thinking and desperate for attention.

I think a couple of people here really don't believe their suspect is D.B. Cooper DEEP DOWN (these people do seem SANE), they just like to keep their selfish superficial fantasy going.

There is more to life than constantly hitting your head on the same wall, find a door and go in a different direction.

Yep, I have yet to see any evidence that Cooper survived. the money find is open to many variables
speculation constantly uprising. hearsay galore. attention seekers, profit seekers, coincidence's etc.
the wall has been knocked down years ago, but, it doesn't stop them. they search for loop holes to
weave with and manipulate the evidence. it's a never ending cycle of constant changes.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo, The claims and statements you make in that post are absurd in the extreme!

Duane did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the Skunk Works (which is a registered trade mark of Lockheed), Area 51, or any US Government aircraft related activities that were taking place in Nevada or anywhere else.

Duane never took you to any airport in the Las Vegas area that had any "black" aircraft programs on it. Neither you or Duane ever saw a "black" aircraft. And even if you did see a "black" aircraft you probably would never realize what you were looking at.

And you can forget about Duane and his friends being beer drinking buddies of Howard Hughes. Those claims are to silly to even answer.

On the Alien matter, I don't believe in such things as Little Green Men From Mars. I leave such matters to the Lunatic Fringe Group.

But after your post, Jo, I am beginning to wonder. Would you be willing to have your DNA tested? NASA would probably be willing to do it.

Robert99

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you have a bunch of "he said, she said" no money, no proof of KC being Cooper. too short, bald. a piece a wood sitting on top of roof trusses equals nothing. that house was built in 1940. modifications have been done through out the years. no way of knowing if an attic access was originally in the house. just a piece of wood found in the attic.

the scared card. why would she say things to you knowing this would get out? if she was so afraid of losing things, then you don't say anything. sounds like you have been taken for a ride. I can put you in touch with some guys down here who seem to be educated and normal, but, they will tell you stories about the skunk apes in the Glades. very convincing as well.

your buddy Rataczak claims he jumped 10-15 minutes past the last contact with Cooper. (8:05) the map and path you claim to be 100% correct will now possibly put cooper in Oregon. further away from camp KC's Airstream adventures.

I'm not a scientist, so I can't explain the money. planting it doesn't make sense. you would think he would find a better location if it was intended to be found. luck seems to be the case here, I don't know. do we know if someone found the entire bag? and they left the bundles? if I was Cooper. I would of planted the money in Reno and really spin some heads.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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99 stated:
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Duane did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the Skunk Works (which is a registered trade mark of Lockheed), Area 51, or any US Government aircraft related activities that were taking place in Nevada or anywhere else.

Jo stated:
Place your bet!

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Duane never took you to any airport in the Las Vegas area that had any "black" aircraft programs on it. Neither you or Duane ever saw a "black" aircraft. And even if you did see a "black" aircraft you probably would never realize what you were looking at.

Jo stated:
I have NEVER said Duane took me to Las Vegas. That was the ex-wife (common law) of 1962 to 1972.


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And you can forget about Duane and his friends being beer drinking buddies of Howard Hughes.

Jo stated:
I said one of his friends was a chauffeur for Hughes. I confer no relationship between Duane and Hughes. Just a conversation with the former chauffeur.

PS: For a man of your supposed intelligence you can sure READ things into a post that were NOT stated nor insinuated!

Where are your reading comprehension abilities?
Before you have read things
into my posts that were not
stated or inferred.

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Robert99

Jo, The claims and statements you make in that post are absurd in the extreme!

Duane did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the Skunk Works (which is a registered trade mark of Lockheed), Area 51, or any US Government aircraft related activities that were taking place in Nevada or anywhere else.

Duane never took you to any airport in the Las Vegas area that had any "black" aircraft programs on it. Neither you or Duane ever saw a "black" aircraft. And even if you did see a "black" aircraft you probably would never realize what you were looking at.

And you can forget about Duane and his friends being beer drinking buddies of Howard Hughes. Those claims are to silly to even answer.

On the Alien matter, I don't believe in such things as Little Green Men From Mars. I leave such matters to the Lunatic Fringe Group.

But after your post, Jo, I am beginning to wonder. Would you be willing to have your DNA tested? NASA would probably be willing to do it.

Robert99

the plane used to transport people to and from Area 51 is a 737 registered to the Department Of The Air Force. it's not black either. white with a red stripe


http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N5294M

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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that 2x4 looks as old as the house. they are also common in attics. this could also be the original opening.

so, basically it appears the box was empty correct? then decades later after remodeling has been done multiple times. a crew goes into the attic and finds the wood covered? KC took the money out and covered the board back up with the insulation. silliest thing I've heard of yet. then we have a story of a bunch of 20's out back? why not the attic?

again. nothing but a board typically found in attics, and a story of money being found on the property. yep, he's Cooper alright (*roll eyes*)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

all 3 suspects LD, KC, & Duane Weber have been in the spotlight
many times over. not one single person has come forward. there
pictures have been in the public view for years, no leads have
surfaced from them. they have gained attention, but, no proof.
lot's of he said, she said though.

Well, Mrshutter it is like this: The pictures of Duane Weber publically circulated over the yrs did NOT include the Jefferson intake photo. If I had seen the Jefferson intake in 1996 - not sure I would have recognized the man I was married to for 17 yrs.

Think about that statement a moment.

How long has the pic YOU found and made public been in circulation? 3 months - if that long!

What happened was in the works for several yrs. Yrs ago I corresponded with a highranking government authority in WA. DC. In my communciations with this man - I was told the truth would never be known & he had been working to get some things declassified. He died a few months after our conversation. I would later speak with his brother who told me the truth would probably never be known. The man I spoke to yrs ago was one Duane had mention several times. In my search I came across his name and when I found out WHO he was
- my thinking was "How did Duane know that Guy?"

Most of the individuals involved with the operations are old and or deceased - but a picture is worth thousands of words. When I had access to the pic the authorities realized something was going to happen. The FBI may not have been informed of activities involving Weber because he used the name of John Collins. I do NOT know how you accessed the mug shot. Perhaps someone dropped the ball and it was available thru the FOA - but, that is all it took - ONE PICTURE! The worm was out of the can!

You are aware I have sent that picture out to media sources. Perhaps what is happening was going to be done in the future - but, it is happening now.

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again, it looks to me that the 2x4 is from the same circa. this means it was already in place. nowhere did the show include checking the entire attic for more 2x4's. nor doe's it explain it could be the original opening. they already tried to say it was hinged. BS selling the show statement.

basically we are to believe if the FBI showed up at Kenny's house. they would look up there and see nothing. "nothing here chef. not even where it appears to be a bump in the insulation" you have no proof the 2x4's were put there by Kenny. common factors out weigh it.



to far fetched for me.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo, if you ask me. the Jefferson photo does not do Duane any justice what so ever. this is my opinion. where is the part in Duane's hairline? do you have any pictures showing his hair without waves?

people want to use the description failure routine far to often. this applies for crimes that don't last very long, where they didn't have time to get a good look at the suspect. seconds to a couple minutes on most crimes.

I strongly believe they would have ID'd LD, KC or Duane by now. a new picture in the media only 3 months. don't hold your breath. what will you say after the picture has been around a year or more?

what happened to the threat to go public from one coast to the other?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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the plane used to transport people to and from Area 51 is a 737 registered to the Department Of The Air Force. it's not black either. white with a red stripe

That plane was 1974. The plane I am referring to was 1962 to 1972 and was used for some purpose in Area 51 and remember this - men had to build the airstrips and the facilities prior to 51 being accessible. Look at the complete picture - the history of Area 51. There was some kind of contamination mention in a conversation between Duane and this other person and how long the land would be unuseable. Since I have DONE NO research into this - I know not what they were referring to.

Please inlighten me! You are very very good at what you do. Do some more!

Thank You!

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mrshutter45

***Jo, The claims and statements you make in that post are absurd in the extreme!

Duane did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the Skunk Works (which is a registered trade mark of Lockheed), Area 51, or any US Government aircraft related activities that were taking place in Nevada or anywhere else.

Duane never took you to any airport in the Las Vegas area that had any "black" aircraft programs on it. Neither you or Duane ever saw a "black" aircraft. And even if you did see a "black" aircraft you probably would never realize what you were looking at.

And you can forget about Duane and his friends being beer drinking buddies of Howard Hughes. Those claims are to silly to even answer.

On the Alien matter, I don't believe in such things as Little Green Men From Mars. I leave such matters to the Lunatic Fringe Group.

But after your post, Jo, I am beginning to wonder. Would you be willing to have your DNA tested? NASA would probably be willing to do it.

Robert99

the plane used to transport people to and from Area 51 is a 737 registered to the Department Of The Air Force. it's not black either. white with a red stripe


http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N5294M

The Janet Airlines aircraft are ex-USAF 737s that were previously used as navigational trainers by the Air Force. There are quite a few of them, maybe 20 or so.

I was told by an aeronautically qualified individual that he was in Las Vegas on business at one time and had arrived back at McCarran Airport with some time to spare before his flight out. He started working on his laptop and noticed the Janet aircraft coming and going. So he started plugging their N-numbers into his laptop and checking with the FAA data base in OKC. He checked quite a few N-numbers and every one came back as "No Record".

I'll bet the Utah 737 wasn't a Janet aircraft.

Robert99

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mrshutter45

Jo, if you ask me. the Jefferson photo does not do Duane any justice what so ever. this is my opinion. where is the part in Duane's hairline? do you have any pictures showing his hair without waves?

The pictures I first made public did NOT show curly hair and I have none showing the part, but when it was longer you can tell it comes to one side but without an obvious part. It was my mistake not putting the picture out there with the curls, but the only ones I had he looked goofy in.

I would not present the curly haired pics until Geoffrey said the witnesses said his hair was curly...NOT straight.
The artist was told the hair was wavy and he does try to show this. Enlarge the pic to page size and you will see how he does the hair. Duane's hair changed with age as does everyone.

With humidity - Duane's hair became very curly but he curbed that with products. Also the temporary dye of the day made the hair seem shinier and smoother. Since I used these products myself I know how they made the hair looked...more sleek.

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skyjack71

Look at the complete picture - the history of Area 51. There was some kind of contamination mention in a conversation between Duane and this other person and how long the land would be unuseable.

Jo, Surely you are aware that there were dozens of nuclear weapons tests, both above and underground, done near Area 51 over a period of several decades.

And Duane and his buddies didn't have anything to do with them either. So don't start claiming that Duane and his drinking buddies were designing nuclear weapons for the US Government. It just didn't happen that way. Really!

Robert99