DB Cooper

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It's pretty common knowledge KC was gay. I always felt the reason for him being so evasive was he and KC having a "Brokeback Mountain" type of relationship. In fact, I think that's what KC was trying to tell his brother on his deathbed, not that he was DB Cooper.

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There are a number of reasons to head off a space in the ceiling joist of a house.

Having been a contractor for over 25 years I have headed off many ceiling joist for owners and subcontractors that were later never used.

Among some of the uses would be return air for a/c...convective air vent..skylight...some type of equipment support...support for a light...a smoke alarm...I've even put in blocks like that for swinging chairs in ceilings...use your imagination on that one...many were never used in the final design. As far as the cover...that may for cutting it out from down below with a sawzall without having the insulation falling into the living space. The counter top piece was probably from a sink cutout that we routinely just threw away which had no other use.

I actually laughed my ass off at that part of the TV presentation.

Don't think it was a hiding place by any means I've seen hundreds of blocks with scrap over them like that over the years...just extra work for nothing.

Just from memory...I never saw hinges...I could be wrong...would like to see a picture of the alleged hinges...

My guess...Cooper bounced or splashed...I wish he survived after all that but the evidence or lack of it points to dead.

Just my .02


hangdiver

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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hangdiver

There are a number of reasons to head off a space in the ceiling joist of a house.

Having been a contractor for over 25 years I have headed off many ceiling joist for owners and subcontractors that were later never used.

Among some of the uses would be return air for a/c...convective air vent..skylight...some type of equipment support...support for a light...a smoke alarm...I've even put in blocks like that for swinging chairs in ceilings...use your imagination on that one...many were never used in the final design. As far as the cover...that may for cutting it out from down below with a sawzall without having the insulation falling into the living space. The counter top piece was probably from a sink cutout that we routinely just threw away which had no other use.

I actually laughed my ass off at that part of the TV presentation.

Don't think it was a hiding place by any means I've seen hundreds of blocks with scrap over them like that over the years...just extra work for nothing.

Just from memory...I never saw hinges...I could be wrong...would like to see a picture of the alleged hinges...

My guess...Cooper bounced or splashed...I wish he survived after all that but the evidence or lack of it points to dead.

Just my .02


hangdiver

Then where is the body? Where is the missing persons report?

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Jo, You can forget about Duane having anything to do with Area 51. He would have been shot before security let him anywhere close to there.

The activities that were going on at Area 51 were not, and still are not, cocktail party gossip by anyone who actually knew. You apparently do not understand that the original reason for setting up what is now Area 51 was the U-2 program.

The information on the U-2 program was very closely controlled. Reportedly, even most of the people in the CIA had never heard of the U-2 when Francis Gary Powers was shot down over Russia in May 1960.

It is not very likely that Howard Hughes had a dedicated driver. Hughes liked to drive himself and to fly his own airplane. When he took his wooden flying boat up on its only flight, Hughes was at the flight controls, a flight engineer was seated behind him at a panel to handle the engines, and the fellow in the co-pilot's seat was a non-pilot business employee of Hughes.

So dream on!

Robert99

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On August 27, 1967 18 skydivers landed miles offshore in Lake Eire. 14 of them drowned.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=776300#776300

There are posts saying that one of the chutes washed ashore recently but I cant find any nrew articles to confirm this. Maybe I can get Snow to find it.

Met Sailshaw and his lovely wife last weekend. I have no doubt that Sheridan Peterson stayed with them in Seattle. Wonder why Sheridan denies it? Obviously the FBI knew that Sheridan had resided there when they came calling to ask questions about him.

Sailshaw had details about what kinds of titanium were in use at Boeing at the time Sheridan worked there and is 100% sure that pure (not alloyed) titanium was being used for some research projects (such as flame spraying coatings) at that time. Scraps were in bins on the first floor of the building Sheridan worked in. Doesnt prove that Peterson was Cooper but its certainly interesting.

Sailhaw is an engineer (retired from Boeing), a pilot, a very accomplished deep water sailor and a really nice guy. He isn't as dogmatic in person as he is on the forum and is open to differing opinions. He is certain that Peterson is Cooper. I am not, but we got along great and had some very interesting discussions.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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skyjack71

I expect this is what CCharger did. He caught his own error and changed it before I could make reply. My problem with that is he denied it.

I made no error in posting about Benzedrine. It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane. His use of it was merely an educated guess. Why he would use it was merely speculation. I changed or edited nothing, and I stand by my post.

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CCharger

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There are a number of reasons to head off a space in the ceiling joist of a house.

Having been a contractor for over 25 years I have headed off many ceiling joist for owners and subcontractors that were later never used.

Among some of the uses would be return air for a/c...convective air vent..skylight...some type of equipment support...support for a light...a smoke alarm...I've even put in blocks like that for swinging chairs in ceilings...use your imagination on that one...many were never used in the final design. As far as the cover...that may for cutting it out from down below with a sawzall without having the insulation falling into the living space. The counter top piece was probably from a sink cutout that we routinely just threw away which had no other use.

I actually laughed my ass off at that part of the TV presentation.

Don't think it was a hiding place by any means I've seen hundreds of blocks with scrap over them like that over the years...just extra work for nothing.

Just from memory...I never saw hinges...I could be wrong...would like to see a picture of the alleged hinges...

My guess...Cooper bounced or splashed...I wish he survived after all that but the evidence or lack of it points to dead.

Just my .02


hangdiver

Then where is the body? Where is the missing persons report?

A body lost in nature may not be found...Animals may have taken care of the corpse and scattered the bones. Just because there may not be a body does not mean a body did not perish.

A missing person's report may have never been filed in 1971. For example, families of missing fugitives seldom file a report.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Met Sailshaw and his lovely wife last weekend. I have no doubt that Sheridan Peterson stayed with them in Seattle. Wonder why Sheridan denies it? Obviously the FBI knew that Sheridan had resided there when they came calling to ask questions about him.

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That is interesting. But the FBI has collected and tested his dna
against the sample and I guess he is excluded ?

Maybe there is somebody else who was in Sheridan's company at
the time who is a suspect?

Will Sheridan talk to Sailshaw? Will he talk to you, or anyone?

Sheridan doesn't strike me as cooperative with the FBI, given his
political background ?

I wondered the same about McCoy's circle of associates.

Cooper has always struck me as a loner, and Im not even sure why or if I could articulate it. Somebody on the periphery of things. Without a doubt there are 'standout' suspects. Poeple with the known potential to do 'this or that'. Cooper may have
emerged from a wider circle of people, around a 'standout'. A
friend of a friend who wasn't a mainstream activist, but someone
on the periphery who watched and absorbed and might seize an
opportunity through ideas and information others were
expressing or discussing. (Just like McCoy was a 'talker' but
became a 'doer'.).

Did Sailshaw ever know people who hung around Sheridan at
work or otherwise politically? Somebody quiet but intelligent.

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A body lost in nature may not be found...Animals may have taken care of the corpse and scattered the bones. Just because there may not be a body does not mean a body did not perish.

A missing person's report may have never been filed in 1971. For example, families of missing fugitives seldom file a report.

If a small placard was found in the area.. then something as large as a 6' tall meatsack with nylon and metal hard bits attached... would have been found. This is not wilderness... many thousands of people wander thru these woods every year looking for Bambi or Boo Boo all grown up.

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A body lost in nature may not be found...Animals may have taken care of the corpse and scattered the bones. Just because there may not be a body does not mean a body did not perish.

A missing person's report may have never been filed in 1971. For example, families of missing fugitives seldom file a report.

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That would depend entirely on where he went in. Im not sure the
Shillapoo and its surroundings would have offered that type of
environment in the 1971, where a body could sit undiscovered
to rot or be worked on by animals... in that area in the 1970s
the real danger according to people Ive talked to, would have
been one of the human predators from the area hobo camps
that stretched behind the shoreline from the railroad bridge
in Vancouver, northwest. If Cooper had wandered into that
area and was discovered with cash, his fate would have been
sealed...

The FBI has never said if these camps on the Vancouver and
Oregon side of the river and the people there, were checked at
the time or not.

Further north hunters would have stumbled across something.
That's almost a dead certainty especially if his chute was there.

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Will Sheridan talk to Sailshaw? Will he talk to you, or anyone?

Sheridan won't talk to Sailshaw. Won't talk to me and has accused me of being FBI/CIA. He wrote a very nice post when I supplied a big holiday cheer basket that was delivered to him by friends of Bruce Smith. Then he turned on me. I would sure like to talk with him but it's not likely. I know the area he lives in but can't find his current address and Bruce's friends won't reveal it to him or to me.

The FBI seems very certain that they have at least partial Cooper DNA. Seems an unjustified confidence level if they only have tie DNA. Maybe the cig butts were not lost.

If they lost the butts it makes a successful prosecution nearly impossible unless they catch him with the loot. The butts arguably have DNA which could exonerate a suspect whose DNA matched the tie partial. Loss or destruction of potentially exculpatory evidence is fatal to a prosecution unless there is other evidence which unequivocally implicates the defendant.

The FBI makes mistakes but they have some really smart agents. I've seen some brilliant work done by them during my time doing criminal defense. If they are CERTAIN they have Coopers DNA then there is a reason. They probably have something that hasn't yet been revealed.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The evidence the feds have is vast. The problem is that different agencies conducted independent investigations and did not/will not share their clues with each other.

[georger 247]

The FBI makes mistakes but they have some really smart agents. I've seen some brilliant work done by them during my time doing criminal defense. If they are CERTAIN they have Coopers DNA then there is a reason. They probably have something that hasn't yet been revealed.

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Ive never thought the butts are "lost" stored
somewhere, in the system. That's what Ckret thought also.

If their dna workup is recent then its probably solid, whatever
they have.

As for Cooper, his hijacking falls squarely in the 'activist' period
of the late 60s to early 70s. There were people all over the place
wanting to do 'something'! Every persuassion right and left.
Cooper's grudge probably falls into that catagory. It could even
be Cuban as a test of northern security measures vs southern
where most of the jackings were occurring. The northern areas
hadn't really had that many hijackings relatively speaking.

If we only had a clue to his haplotype! That would exclude a
lot of possibilities.

Lots of people talkedabout doing things back in 'the day'. Few
actually did something,most of it was talk and meetings, and
fewer still did something of actual consequence like a hijacking
or the Madison bombing.

In your case, Sheridan doesn't know a friend when he sees one!
Another lost mitzvah! Oh well. Kaha kaha.

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CCharger

The evidence the feds have is vast. The problem is that different agencies conducted independent investigations and did not/will not share their clues with each other.

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Could be.

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Lots of people talked about doing things back in 'the day'. Few
actually did something, most of it was talk and meetings...

Talk, meetings, sex and drugs. You left out two important components of the wannabe radical scene.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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CCharger

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I expect this is what CCharger did. He caught his own error and changed it before I could make reply. My problem with that is he denied it.

I made no error in posting about Benzedrine. It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane. His use of it was merely an educated guess. Why he would use it was merely speculation. I changed or edited nothing, and I stand by my post.

IT IS NOT A KNOWN FACT WHAT DRUG IF ANY COOPER HAD ON HIM. FIND THIS STATEMENT IN THE FBI PAPERS - SHOW PROOF COOPER HAD BENZEDRING. OTHER WISE RETRACT THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU JUST POSTED.

CCharger just stated in the above post
"It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane."

This is quoted that from the post I am answering.

PROVE IT!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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skyjack71

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I expect this is what CCharger did. He caught his own error and changed it before I could make reply. My problem with that is he denied it.

I made no error in posting about Benzedrine. It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane. His use of it was merely an educated guess. Why he would use it was merely speculation. I changed or edited nothing, and I stand by my post.

IT IS NOT A KNOWN FACT WHAT DRUG IF ANY COOPER HAD ON HIM. FIND THIS STATEMENT IN THE FBI PAPERS - SHOW PROOF COOPER HAD BENZEDRING. OTHER WISE RETRACT THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU JUST POSTED.

CCharger just stated in the above post
"It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane."

This is quoted that from the post I am answering.

PROVE IT!
Really, Jo? You're asking me to prove one of my statements? When you have made a career out of saying outlandish things without a shred of evidence? I will not retract that statement because I know it to be a fact.

[Robert99 50]

CCharger

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I expect this is what CCharger did. He caught his own error and changed it before I could make reply. My problem with that is he denied it.

I made no error in posting about Benzedrine. It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane. His use of it was merely an educated guess. Why he would use it was merely speculation. I changed or edited nothing, and I stand by my post.

IT IS NOT A KNOWN FACT WHAT DRUG IF ANY COOPER HAD ON HIM. FIND THIS STATEMENT IN THE FBI PAPERS - SHOW PROOF COOPER HAD BENZEDRING. OTHER WISE RETRACT THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU JUST POSTED.

CCharger just stated in the above post
"It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane."

This is quoted that from the post I am answering.

PROVE IT!
Really, Jo? You're asking me to prove one of my statements? When you have made a career out of saying outlandish things without a shred of evidence? I will not retract that statement because I know it to be a fact.

Jo apparently missed all the remarks in books, radio transcripts, and on this thread that mention Cooper telling Tina that he had "pills" to keep the pilots awake if they needed them on the flight to Reno. Those "pills" would have to be drugs.

Robert99

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If they are CERTAIN they have Coopers DNA then there is a reason.

The FBI guys are top notch. Smarter than me. They have bigger fish to fry and not enough resources to dedicate to Cooper. (low priority probably)

That being said...

Maybe they should release the DNA sequence, if it's good, and let the world pay for DNA comparison tests of all the people they suspect or relatives of those suspects.

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Robert99

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I expect this is what CCharger did. He caught his own error and changed it before I could make reply. My problem with that is he denied it.

I made no error in posting about Benzedrine. It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane. His use of it was merely an educated guess. Why he would use it was merely speculation. I changed or edited nothing, and I stand by my post.

IT IS NOT A KNOWN FACT WHAT DRUG IF ANY COOPER HAD ON HIM. FIND THIS STATEMENT IN THE FBI PAPERS - SHOW PROOF COOPER HAD BENZEDRING. OTHER WISE RETRACT THE ABOVE STATEMENT YOU JUST POSTED.

CCharger just stated in the above post
"It is a fact that Cooper had Benzedrine on his person while on the plane."

This is quoted that from the post I am answering.

PROVE IT!
Really, Jo? You're asking me to prove one of my statements? When you have made a career out of saying outlandish things without a shred of evidence? I will not retract that statement because I know it to be a fact.

Jo apparently missed all the remarks in books, radio transcripts, and on this thread that mention Cooper telling Tina that he had "pills" to keep the pilots awake if they needed them on the flight to Reno. Those "pills" would have to be drugs.

Robert99
Yes, and as I stated before, they could be either caffeine pills like NoDoz or amphetamines like Benzedrine or Dexedrine. Both were very commonly used in the US at the time.

Also, both Gray and Smith say it was Benzedrine. The preponderance of evidence suggests it was Benzedrine.

But of course it is more believable to claim your husband worked on UFOs at Area 51.

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Robert99

Jo, You can forget about Duane having anything to do with Area 51. He would have been shot before security let him anywhere close to there.
Robert99

You are AWARE that independent Contactors and A.W.A.R.E. were BASE Constructors! Are you AWARE of who built the facilities at AREA 51. The first thing to bring to the forefront was AIRSTRIPS.

Do you know any of the individuals who worked for them! GIVE it all you got. Try these Names:

Dotson
Sweeny
Henderson
Kawaguchi
Turner
Bast
Schewind
Garrity
(Duane knew her and she resided in Irvine,CA. & then later in Mt St. Helens, OR) Deceased.
Best
Hedden
Van Hemert
Anderson
Traven
Barbie Haskell
Lindley
Ford - (really investigate that one)
Goodrick
Baker
Wade
Goodrick
Nickelisen
Scott
Mickey Lewis
Turner
Wade
Neva Streeter (sound familiar)
Chesi
Butler
Morrow
Johnson
Schwind
Marchison
Cleghorn
Nate Hull
Van Buren (familiar)
Kawaguchi

ALL were connected to
A.W.A.R.E.
Air Base Constructors!

I am sure I missed a couple of names.

The assigment for anyone interested in solving this case is - What are ALL of the locations A.W.A.R.E. constructed structures and runways for the military - before the war, during he war and after the war? They constructed such structures in Ramon, Israel for one.

I will check in tonight and see if this has set off directional sensors off with any of you aware of the war efforts and the names of the companies.... you who are military or have knowledge of facililties who contracted with the Air Bases from 1940's to 1960'.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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The FBI guys are top notch. Smarter than me. They have bigger fish to fry and not enough resources to dedicate to Cooper. (low priority probably)

That being said...

Maybe they should release the DNA sequence, if it's good, and let the world pay for DNA comparison tests of all the people they suspect or relatives of those suspects

The cost has decreased dramatically. Its no longer a bank breaker.

You can get an amazing amount of genetic info about yourself for only $99.

https://www.23andme.com/offer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Search-Branded&utm_term=mid200&utm_content=23c_Search_Paid_Brand&cvosrc=ppc.google.23%20and%20me&matchtype=e&network=g&mobile=&searchntwk=1&content=&creative=29982265225&keyword=23%20and%20me&adposition=1t1&gclid=CKrs0Za-irkCFbCDQgodZykANw

I dont know anything about DNA but Georger does so I'll defer to him on what can be tested and how much it costs. I do know that prices have taken a dive.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo, Just exactly which war are you talking about?

You can rest assured that any contractor doing work in Area 51 after its creation was going to be closely checked out. And so were ever person working for that contractor.

Again, even if Duane was doing construction work in Area 51, and he wasn't, he would not know what it was the end product would be used for.

To repeat, the story is that very few people, even in the CIA, knew about the U-2 prior to Powers being shot down in 1960.

Robert99

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Robert99

Jo apparently missed all the remarks in books, radio transcripts, and on this thread that mention Cooper telling Tina that he had "pills" to keep the pilots awake if they needed them on the flight to Reno. Those "pills" would have to be drugs.

Robert99

NO I DID NOT MISS THAT - I AM WELL AWARE OF THE STATEMENT
made by the stewardess - NOTE THAT CCHARGER NAMES A SPECIFIC DRUG - A FACT THAT HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. Go back and read the posts about this - "pills" to keep the pilot awake does NOT tranlate into Benzadrine, which was a prescription drug! I could have been NO-Doze or one of many over the counter stimulants. He STATED the drug as FACT!

CCHARGER was leading and directing!
How I pegged him for who he is - not just an interest party!

CCHARGER is very AWARE of my BEEF on this and I have made it very CLEAR in other postings!

Since this post is a clarification request it will not count as one of my 2 posts per day. I have NOT mentioned a suspect in either post.

I happen to be in possession of research NO one else has - and I wll contribute that without naming a suspect.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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skyjack71

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Jo apparently missed all the remarks in books, radio transcripts, and on this thread that mention Cooper telling Tina that he had "pills" to keep the pilots awake if they needed them on the flight to Reno. Those "pills" would have to be drugs.

Robert99

NO I DID NOT MISS THAT - I AM WELL AWARE OF THE STATEMENT
made by the stewardess - NOTE THAT CCHARGER NAMES A SPECIFIC DRUG - A FACT THAT HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. Go back and read the posts about this - "pills" to keep the pilot awake does NOT tranlate into Benzadrine, which was a prescription drug! I could have been NO-Doze or one of many over the counter stimulants. He STATED the drug as FACT!

CCHARGER was leading and directing!
How I pegged him for who he is - not just an interest party!

CCHARGER is very AWARE of my BEEF on this and I have made it very CLEAR in other postings!

Since this post is a clarification request it will not count as one of my 2 posts per day. I have NOT mentioned a suspect in either post.

I happen to be in possession of research NO one else has - and I wll contribute that without naming a suspect.

Yup, it's a fact.