DB Cooper

[EVickiW 0]

georger

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Vickie I could NOT open the site, but if you have any stills other than the 2 you have posted here - I would like to see them. Don't know why? Just curious.

Jo.....Here are a few stills from the video. In addition, I also added other pics I have posted previously.

Vicki, the main impediments I see to Melvin having been DBC
are:

(1) He doesn't fit the physical description ?
(2) He didn't have the intimate knowledge of the Washington
Oregon area where the hijacking ocurred ?
(3) He didn't have an intimate knowledge of aviation or
parachuting, that DBC may have had ?
(4) His criminal history isn't of the type to place him in the
catagory of bank robbery, bomb builder, or criminal acts
involving overt physical acts which place him in direct contact
with his victims? Melvin is known for fraud and forgery which
are passive-indirect (covert) criminal acts.

If I recall this correctly, JT said he thought Melvin was the best
candidate he had ever seen - and I never could understand
what exactly JT was keying on in Melvin's background or
character to justify such a reaction...

Why do you feel your father is a DBC candidate?

1) He fits the physical description as well as, if not better than other suspects brought up on this thread. 6'. 180 lbs. black hair parted on the left, sideburns to mid ear length and olive skin. His eyes are listed as blue, but as you see he squints because he refused to wear glasses. My mom told me his eyes looked black because that is all you could see.

2) We did not have previous info on where he had been. He told my mom he was from Canada. He was born in 1927 and raised in Oakland. He went into the Navy in November of 1943.

3) Here again...unsure of any knowledge he may have had. In the Navy he was stationed on a few different ships. One was the USS Durik. According to his DD14 he was gunnery. Here is a Youtube video about this ship. Toward the end of the video (48:30) it looks like they may have escorted an Aircraft carrier. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q08gWodrl3M Very neat video to watch. Especially on Veteran's Day!

He was also an avid scuba diver. Tanks on the back and a sense of weightlessness.

4) Who knows what he would have done after he left us. No money, no source of income, a 30 year sentence for counterfeiting, running from the feds as a wanted fugitive. Desperate??? Do desperate people do desperate things? YES!

*None of the other suspects had the propensity for violence either. In addition, all the other suspects were alive after the hijacking.

I feel he should be looked at as a suspect. DNA is complete on our end and fingerprints were forwarded to NamUs. I have an investigator/liaison for NamUs that has left messages with Eng and he is not returning her calls.

Going back to Carr....he put information from the FBI files to the public to generate interest and a memory. The work is already done on our end through NamUs. DNA results are completed and can be compared to the DNA samples at Quantico. Just need an agent to call back and say GO.

So there you have it. According to Jerry and Himmelsbach Melvin has never been looked at by the FBI and has not been a candidate. If he has a simple email or phone call would be nice. Eng had my info and he has NamUs's contact info.

It had to be someone......

Thanks Vicki for stating your case - in simple understandable
form! Any word from Farflung?

G.

No word at all...I miss him.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

"The Marshals Service doesn’t waste hardly any money on anything. I spend almost nothing on the case in terms of dollars. I have a lot of other things I do and this case is not a priority. I work on it almost as much on my own time as here in the office. The time is well spent."

The letter and pictures where sent to Curtis Eng. I didn't know who else to contact - it was never acknowledged and now SOMEONE else got interested and will probably help me get it to the correct source and the most important is for the sisters to see the photo and let me tell them about Ed - The things Ed said and a conversation I was privey to - ZONA is the key!

When the sisters tell me who ZONA was this thing will go flipping crazy.
ZONA is a very important clue - and she was the connection between the brothers and Duane. There were NOT that many individuals with the right age named Zona back in the day.

The FBI obviously never shared the letter with the proper authorities and if they did he did NOT contact me regarding what I had written - nor did he understand. IT is VERY obvious the
authorities DO NOT want the brothers to be connected to Weber.

Ed was part of Duane's life - at one or two points in his life. Trace Ed and you find Duane's past. Both were connected to a group out of Texas & in OR/WA. What was that group and why did this group use or help individuals on the run obtain false identifications?

I want those sisters to see the pictures I have....they are old enough they will remember others and might have pictures of ZONA. Duane had told me about the brothers and that it was believed none of them survived...but, that one did actually survive. He actually told me details about the escape - I have NOT seen in print. I believe I discussed this in the thread some time ago. I was dissed on this like I was dissed on everything I have talked about regarding the life of Weber as told to me in 3rd person.

Remember it was not until you guys showed the arrest article in St.Pete in 1958 - that I REALIZED all of the things Duane told me about were real - but he used 3rd person. I used to know a guy - and he was talking about HIMSELF.

I am NOT smart enough to CREATE a story or to MAKE ANY of this up. IT REALLY Happened.

I wish I could REMEMBER EVERYTHING DUANE EVER SAID, but that is just not possible. I remember TOO MUCH as it is...

TOO MUCH points to Weber being involved things that are puzzling to say the least. HAD I NOT have been with Weber on 3 occassions related to DELIVERIES to individuals who were known to have Mafia or some kind or political and underworld connections... if I was the reader - I WOULDN'T believe my story either.

I do swear under whatever oath anyone requires that Duane Weber's connections to some really strange and controversial issues and known individuals in the realm of my life with him are real.

I over heard conversations I did not understand at the time - BUT, now know what they meant. Until I REALIZED Weber had told me about his life in 3rd person - some of this had NO meaning.

I am fighting time and pain!
The authorities DO NOT want the story told - Duane being Declared Cooper would expose a lot of OTHER things or his past associations be it the Government or the Underworld - I still believe my accident was NO accident. I wasn't supposed to survive!


You GUYS do know it happened RIGHT after I went public.

The re-inactment I have done on the part of the other CAR - says it was intentional or two individual arguing parked at the office at the beauty shop in a heated argument. I kept waiting for them to pull out, but it was evident they must have been waiting for something. I enter the highway and the ONLY way they could have come that far was to put the METAL to the PEDAL and to go to the inside lane.

I was TARGETED! If the parties who hit me came forward and with background check - then and only then will I believe it was JUST an accident. NO need to re-interate all of the things about that - I have lived with those injuries since 2000.

Duane Weber was dirty, but was he really dirty - was he just an operative that got out of hand? Someone made sure he had the monies needed to supplement his needs for 5 yrs. Probably WHY he couldn't say anything - but the morphine got in the way and didn't understand why he kept wanting me to LISTEN to HIM!
That last yr - he told me many things I did NOT understand....NOW it is becoming loud and clear!

DUMB BROAD they couldn't SHUT me up! THEY couldn't get rid of me.
THEY did not know that technology would advance so quickly and that I would spend every spare moment trying to find answers!

When I am put in touch with the SISTERS and see their family albums and hope they are STILL alive & remember who ZONA was - then this is OVER!

Obviously WHY the FBI did not put me intouch with the individual handing the ANGLIN BROTHERS!

US MARSHALL should at least put me intouch with the sisters - let them judge me!


That nudity heading won't go away and I have that disallowed on my computer entirely....the site has something at the bottom when you post - and I had somehow hit on & then found it and hit off, but it is still there.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

Does everyone see that post with Jo on it? I wouldn't click on anything!!!!!! VIRUS....there is no heading on it.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[EVickiW 0]

mrshutter45

Does everyone see that post with Jo on it? I wouldn't click on anything!!!!!! VIRUS....there is no heading on it.

I showed up as nudity or something...so I had to change my preferences to see it.

BTW....you are safe...no nudity on her post.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[mrshutter45 21]

EVickiW

***Does everyone see that post with Jo on it? I wouldn't click on anything!!!!!! VIRUS....there is no heading on it.

I showed up as nudity or something...so I had to change my preferences to see it.

BTW....you are safe...no nudity on her post.

Ok, just thought it was strange since it didn't have a heading on it.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

Reposting in its entirety - have NO idea what is going on! OH MY GOD!

skyjack71

Quote

"The Marshals Service doesn’t waste hardly any money on anything. I spend almost nothing on the case in terms of dollars. I have a lot of other things I do and this case is not a priority. I work on it almost as much on my own time as here in the office. The time is well spent."

The letter and pictures where sent to Curtis Eng. I didn't know who else to contact - it was never acknowledged and now SOMEONE else got interested and will probably help me get it to the correct source and the most important is for the sisters to see the photo and let me tell them about Ed - The things Ed said and a conversation I was privey to - ZONA is the key!

When the sisters tell me who ZONA was this thing will go flipping crazy.
ZONA is a very important clue - and she was the connection between the brothers and Duane. There were NOT that many individuals with the right age named Zona back in the day.

The FBI obviously never shared the letter with the proper authorities and if they did he did NOT contact me regarding what I had written - nor did he understand. IT is VERY obvious the
authorities DO NOT want the brothers to be connected to Weber.

Ed was part of Duane's life - at one or two points in his life. Trace Ed and you find Duane's past. Both were connected to a group out of Texas & in OR/WA. What was that group and why did this group use or help individuals on the run obtain false identifications?

I want those sisters to see the pictures I have....they are old enough they will remember others and might have pictures of ZONA. Duane had told me about the brothers and that it was believed none of them survived...but, that one did actually survive. He actually told me details about the escape - I have NOT seen in print. I believe I discussed this in the thread some time ago. I was dissed on this like I was dissed on everything I have talked about regarding the life of Weber as told to me in 3rd person.

Remember it was not until you guys showed the arrest article in St.Pete in 1958 - that I REALIZED all of the things Duane told me about were real - but he used 3rd person. I used to know a guy - and he was talking about HIMSELF.

I am NOT smart enough to CREATE a story or to MAKE ANY of this up. IT REALLY Happened.

I wish I could REMEMBER EVERYTHING DUANE EVER SAID, but that is just not possible. I remember TOO MUCH as it is...

TOO MUCH points to Weber being involved things that are puzzling to say the least. HAD I NOT have been with Weber on 3 occassions related to DELIVERIES to individuals who were known to have Mafia or some kind or political and underworld connections... if I was the reader - I WOULDN'T believe my story either.

I do swear under whatever oath anyone requires that Duane Weber's connections to some really strange and controversial issues and known individuals in the realm of my life with him are real.

I over heard conversations I did not understand at the time - BUT, now know what they meant. Until I REALIZED Weber had told me about his life in 3rd person - some of this had NO meaning.

I am fighting time and pain!
The authorities DO NOT want the story told - Duane being Declared Cooper would expose a lot of OTHER things or his past associations be it the Government or the Underworld - I still believe my accident was NO accident. I wasn't supposed to survive!


You GUYS do know it happened RIGHT after I went public.

The re-inactment I have done on the part of the other CAR - says it was intentional or two individual arguing parked at the office at the beauty shop in a heated argument. I kept waiting for them to pull out, but it was evident they must have been waiting for something. I enter the highway and the ONLY way they could have come that far was to put the METAL to the PEDAL and to go to the inside lane.

I was TARGETED! If the parties who hit me came forward and with background check - then and only then will I believe it was JUST an accident. NO need to re-interate all of the things about that - I have lived with those injuries since 2000.

Duane Weber was dirty, but was he really dirty - was he just an operative that got out of hand? Someone made sure he had the monies needed to supplement his needs for 5 yrs. Probably WHY he couldn't say anything - but the morphine got in the way and didn't understand why he kept wanting me to LISTEN to HIM!
That last yr - he told me many things I did NOT understand....NOW it is becoming loud and clear!

DUMB BROAD they couldn't SHUT me up! THEY couldn't get rid of me.
THEY did not know that technology would advance so quickly and that I would spend every spare moment trying to find answers!

When I am put in touch with the SISTERS and see their family albums and hope they are STILL alive & remember who ZONA was - then this is OVER!

Obviously WHY the FBI did not put me intouch with the individual handing the ANGLIN BROTHERS!

US MARSHALL should at least put me intouch with the sisters - let them judge me!


That nudity heading won't go away and I have that disallowed on my computer entirely....the site has something at the bottom when you post - and I had somehow hit on & then found it and hit off, but it is still there.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

NO Virus. It is something about the site and some thing at the end of the postings about Nudity. Mine has never been on. Reposted the same post and it is ok, but can't make the old post go away - if I delete it then everyone would think I did something wrong - but I didn't. In fact my computer is set up so I do NOT get stuff like that - talk about a SHOCK.

I was thinking - heck if the DZ doesn't want me there - all they have to do is say so. I thought virus also. BUT everything is in working order!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

Info on the 3 men who escape Alcatraz June 11, 1962

Email: usms.wanted@usdoj.gov
Marshal heading the Alcatraz Escape is MICHAEL DYKE.

Phne Numbers can be found here. http://www.usmarshals.gov/contacts/index.html

Jo, there not going to allow you to run there investigation. you will hit a wall on that as well. I doubt they will just hand over phone numbers.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

mrshutter45

Info on the 3 men who escape Alcatraz June 11, 1962

Email: usms.wanted@usdoj.gov
Marshal heading the Alcatraz Escape is MICHAEL DYKE.

Phne Numbers can be found here. http://www.usmarshals.gov/contacts/index.html

Jo, there not going to allow you to run there investigation. you will hit a wall on that as well. I doubt they will just hand over phone numbers.

I don't need the US Marshal to do anything. It is being taken care of outside of the FBI and US Marshal's office. We should have the contact information pretty soon - believe one of the sisters is deceased. Without going back to my communications I did contact their office in the past -
long long ago. SEEMS they thought their AGE aggression was dead on - they probably did NOT even contact the family.

WELL, Jo will go after this as she has other things - talk to the families and without being intrusive like Galen & Brucie.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

THank You for putting those pics so I could see them. The ones where he was heavier - do you have an approx date on those?

Ask Jerry about the counterfeiter who accused a man he had known for about 2 yrs of being Cooper. The counterfeiter claimed that the other guy who died had confessed to the crime. THis WAS AFTER I came forward.

Duane Weber - 1996
Mr. X -2001 - I believe
KC - 2006
LC - 2010

I realize there have been other names I am just trying to establish a time frame for JT's suspect...to find the new articles. There was lots of pictures....The Seattel Times.

I am giving you what I remember, but it hurts to sit a the computer so go for it. I can't do the sitting anymore.

The picture made available of the suspect supported by the CABBIE (who I think was the counterfeiter who was WANTED). I thought at the time admitting he was wanted was asking to go to jail. I know nothing more than what I read in the article.

I remember that the inside page was almost ALL pictures.

JT made quiet a splash with that article and then everything went silent!

BYE - got to go get in the whirlpool and then get flat on my back.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

skyjack71

Reposting in its entirety - have NO idea what is going on! OH MY GOD!


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Quote

"The Marshals Service doesn’t waste hardly any money on anything. I spend almost nothing on the case in terms of dollars. I have a lot of other things I do and this case is not a priority. I work on it almost as much on my own time as here in the office. The time is well spent."

The letter and pictures where sent to Curtis Eng. I didn't know who else to contact - it was never acknowledged and now SOMEONE else got interested and will probably help me get it to the correct source and the most important is for the sisters to see the photo and let me tell them about Ed - The things Ed said and a conversation I was privey to - ZONA is the key!

When the sisters tell me who ZONA was this thing will go flipping crazy.
ZONA is a very important clue - and she was the connection between the brothers and Duane. There were NOT that many individuals with the right age named Zona back in the day.

The FBI obviously never shared the letter with the proper authorities and if they did he did NOT contact me regarding what I had written - nor did he understand. IT is VERY obvious the
authorities DO NOT want the brothers to be connected to Weber.

Ed was part of Duane's life - at one or two points in his life. Trace Ed and you find Duane's past. Both were connected to a group out of Texas & in OR/WA. What was that group and why did this group use or help individuals on the run obtain false identifications?

I want those sisters to see the pictures I have....they are old enough they will remember others and might have pictures of ZONA. Duane had told me about the brothers and that it was believed none of them survived...but, that one did actually survive. He actually told me details about the escape - I have NOT seen in print. I believe I discussed this in the thread some time ago. I was dissed on this like I was dissed on everything I have talked about regarding the life of Weber as told to me in 3rd person.

Remember it was not until you guys showed the arrest article in St.Pete in 1958 - that I REALIZED all of the things Duane told me about were real - but he used 3rd person. I used to know a guy - and he was talking about HIMSELF.

I am NOT smart enough to CREATE a story or to MAKE ANY of this up. IT REALLY Happened.

I wish I could REMEMBER EVERYTHING DUANE EVER SAID, but that is just not possible. I remember TOO MUCH as it is...

TOO MUCH points to Weber being involved things that are puzzling to say the least. HAD I NOT have been with Weber on 3 occassions related to DELIVERIES to individuals who were known to have Mafia or some kind or political and underworld connections... if I was the reader - I WOULDN'T believe my story either.

I do swear under whatever oath anyone requires that Duane Weber's connections to some really strange and controversial issues and known individuals in the realm of my life with him are real.

I over heard conversations I did not understand at the time - BUT, now know what they meant. Until I REALIZED Weber had told me about his life in 3rd person - some of this had NO meaning.

I am fighting time and pain!
The authorities DO NOT want the story told - Duane being Declared Cooper would expose a lot of OTHER things or his past associations be it the Government or the Underworld - I still believe my accident was NO accident. I wasn't supposed to survive!


You GUYS do know it happened RIGHT after I went public.

The re-inactment I have done on the part of the other CAR - says it was intentional or two individual arguing parked at the office at the beauty shop in a heated argument. I kept waiting for them to pull out, but it was evident they must have been waiting for something. I enter the highway and the ONLY way they could have come that far was to put the METAL to the PEDAL and to go to the inside lane.

I was TARGETED! If the parties who hit me came forward and with background check - then and only then will I believe it was JUST an accident. NO need to re-interate all of the things about that - I have lived with those injuries since 2000.

Duane Weber was dirty, but was he really dirty - was he just an operative that got out of hand? Someone made sure he had the monies needed to supplement his needs for 5 yrs. Probably WHY he couldn't say anything - but the morphine got in the way and didn't understand why he kept wanting me to LISTEN to HIM!
That last yr - he told me many things I did NOT understand....NOW it is becoming loud and clear!

DUMB BROAD they couldn't SHUT me up! THEY couldn't get rid of me.
THEY did not know that technology would advance so quickly and that I would spend every spare moment trying to find answers!

When I am put in touch with the SISTERS and see their family albums and hope they are STILL alive & remember who ZONA was - then this is OVER!

Obviously WHY the FBI did not put me intouch with the individual handing the ANGLIN BROTHERS!

US MARSHALL should at least put me intouch with the sisters - let them judge me!


That nudity heading won't go away and I have that disallowed on my computer entirely....the site has something at the bottom when you post - and I had somehow hit on & then found it and hit off, but it is still there.

Was Jack Ruby involved?

In the whirlpool and then get flat on his back.

Bruce may have a photo!

[BobKnoss 0]

Robert99

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Robert99 says in part:

Quote

'Blevins, Are you just trying to prove that you are an ass? Didn't you do that some time back?'

Reply: No, I'm not trying to be an ass.

I'm showing you that anyone who is sincere deserves a chance to present anything they wish on a suspect, or about the Cooper case in general. The only exception would be people who deliberately LIE in order to forward their own selfish ends by using the Cooper case to so. In my humble opinion, that group is headed by Marla Cooper and the fan club President is Bob Knoss.

There has to be a standard, and that is mine.

I will always call it like I see it, whether people agree with me or not.

Blevins, Are you accusing Vicki or Shutter of lying? What seems to have set you off this evening was a simple request from Vicki.

Robert99

Blevins, I chose to differ. You have proven beyond a doubt that you have no class, you ARE an ass. You don't allow a fair venue, you muddy the waters with lies, personal attacks and put-downs. All for the sole purpose of directing attention away from Ratacjzek who has always been a number one suspect on the FBI's list. How come nobody discusses that? Just these far-out weirdos who wannabe?? Over 2000 volunteers to be "Cooper" and you drag them out, one at a time to mull them over and try to convince the general public of your paperback facts. Wise up, people. You are watching a side show of puppeteers on this forum. It would serve better as a Liar's Club than an informational dissection of anything even close to resembling a real fact.

At little tit for tat here…. Blevins SOLE purpose here is to fill the space with dribble and to clutter the truth with BULL SHIT. If you can't win the argument with honest facts, baffle 'em with bull shit. Bury 'em in paperwork. Make dust and let it settle. Time buries all. Troy was not found on the surface. The truth here is still available. All you have to do is listen to what I say, plug your ears and cover your eyes when Blevins gets on the soapbox. He may know the truth, he just ain't sharing it with you. It is real easy to spot the misinformation when you have the facts first hand like I have it. You can take THIS to the bank: There are a number of bold-faced (fiction writers) here trying to alter the truth. Everyone knows who they are and yet it persists. Dog chases tail. Dog growls. Dog chases tail again. Dog growls. Is the dog stupid, or does he think it is his tail that is biting him in the ass? The point is that this dog is in a world all his own and thinks he is killing the pain in his ass. Actually, he is his own biggest problem for believing it long enough to be the laughing stock of the dog pound. Blevins, you should wear clown make-up. The Joker would be fitting.

Stop trying to find a scapegoat for Badgerman. You need to spend some time with a real GOOD investigator, not these proven hoaxers you deal with.

[mrshutter45 21]

Just in case someone takes notice of my absence, it's because my Father has become very ill. he's been in failing heath for several months now. 10 days ago he was admitted with stomach pains. this turned out to be a hole in his stomach. it spread infection to the point of him not being able to fight it off. I have been shrugging it off with hopes of him getting better. I realize now that this is no longer a possibility, so it's now hitting me pretty hard.

It's funny, the older you get, the more they start to disappear leaving you with a hole in your heart. I haven't had a family loss since 1988 & 1994. I'm a tough SOB, but turn into weak helpless fool when I lose someone close to me. my father is a great man who admire and respect. he was part of the Mercury project back in the late 50's he was aboard the USS Randolph during the Cuban Missile Crisis. a courageous and honorable man. before you go to sleep tonite. I can only ask for you to hit yours knees and ask for strength to help Jerry Lee Brown find peace.

Good Night............

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[ParrotheadVol 70]

mrshutter45

Just in case someone takes notice of my absence, it's because my Father has become very ill. he's been in failing heath for several months now. 10 days ago he was admitted with stomach pains. this turned out to be a hole in his stomach. it spread infection to the point of him not being able to fight it off. I have been shrugging it off with hopes of him getting better. I realize now that this is no longer a possibility, so it's now hitting me pretty hard.

It's funny, the older you get, the more they start to disappear leaving you with a hole in your heart. I haven't had a family loss since 1988 & 1994. I'm a tough SOB, but turn into weak helpless fool when I lose someone close to me. my father is a great man who admire and respect. he was part of the Mercury project back in the late 50's he was aboard the USS Randolph during the Cuban Missile Crisis. a courageous and honorable man. before you go to sleep tonite. I can only ask for you to hit yours knees and ask for strength to help Jerry Lee Brown find peace.

Good Night............

Will do. Will ask for some strength for you as well. I know it's tough, I'm watching my mother slip away a little every day. It sucks. Hang in there.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

[EVickiW 0]

Sorry Dave. I will keep your dad and you in my thoughts.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[skyjack71 0]

mrshutter45

I can only ask for you to hit yours knees and ask for strength to help Jerry Lee Brown find peace.

Good Night............

Death is difficult to face be it your own or the death of a loved one. BE there FOR HIM when the time comes - to die alone - is NOT a journey any of us want to face, but neither do we want our loved ones to see us suffer. It is a hard choice to make.

If you were CLOSE to your father - be there and hold his hand and tell him you love him.

If you were NOT Close to your father - be there and hold his hand and tell him you love him.

Talk about the old days - memories from when you were a child - watch the smile on their face - they WANT to be remembered and to know that you will remember - even the times Dad had to discipline you - it hurt him more than it did you

When you think they can no longer hear you - do now keep silent. He will hear your voice.

I will be thinking about you and hope there will be other family members with you during this difficult time....

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[BruceSmith 3]

Greetings Everyone,

I have received a couple of questions today about DB Cooper matters that might be of interest to everyone.

The first query comes from BK, who asked if there are any new developments in the Cossey shooting. Here is my reply:

Cossey was whacked, literally. He was struck in the head, not shot, but the cops refused to tell me with what instrument, or even where on the head. So, we don't know if he was hit from behind, in front, or on the side, or if he tried to defend himself.

We also don't know his location when he was struck. It is assumed that he was struck in the garage, where the body was found, but that is not absolute.

Also, the poker players who told me that Coss often had large amounts of cash on him, ranging from 500 bucks to several thousand, has not been follow-up-ed by the cops, apparently. The poker players who told me about Cossey and gambling spoke to the police on their own volition, but the cops have not spoken to them since, nor have the cops visited any of the gambling halls that the poker players recommended, such as the Castaways in north Seattle.

Sgt Cindi King, the PIO for the Kings County S.O., is still on the case, but it has been bumped to the Major Case Squad, so the grunt detectives are no longer on it.

The second question was asked by a phone caller from Seattle. He wanted to know when the Cooper Daze festival started in Ariel, and what else was going on that weekend. Here is what I know.

1. November 24, 2013 is the Sunday before Thanksgiving and is the 42nd anniverary of the skyjacking. I know of no celebration on that day.

2. Geoffrey is coming to Tacoma on Friday, November 29, and will speak at the Washington State Historical Museum in the evening. I will be there, along with Robb Heady.

3. Saturday, November 30, there will be a lengthy symposium on Cooper issues at the WSHM, and I understand it is being organized by Doug Crispin-Kenck. I have no idea who is speaking or on what topics. I know I haven't been asked, nor anyone else that I know of, such as Ron and Pat Forman or Galen. The Symposium starts at 8 am, and goes until 2 pm.

Again, Robb Heady and I will be there.

Afterwards, Robb and I, along with the Formans, will be heading to Ariel for the shin-dig. The Ariel party revs up aournd 3 pm in the afternoon and lasts through the night. Live country music and hot dancing starts about dark - 5-ish. Meyer says he is coming and will sing again with the band. I hope Christie is there to sing harmony.... I bet Mr. Louie will take the stage at about 7 or 8 pm.

That's what I know so far.

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mrshutter45

Just in case someone takes notice of my absence, it's because my Father has become very ill. he's been in failing heath for several months now. 10 days ago he was admitted with stomach pains. this turned out to be a hole in his stomach. it spread infection to the point of him not being able to fight it off. I have been shrugging it off with hopes of him getting better. I realize now that this is no longer a possibility, so it's now hitting me pretty hard.

It's funny, the older you get, the more they start to disappear leaving you with a hole in your heart. I haven't had a family loss since 1988 & 1994. I'm a tough SOB, but turn into weak helpless fool when I lose someone close to me. my father is a great man who admire and respect. he was part of the Mercury project back in the late 50's he was aboard the USS Randolph during the Cuban Missile Crisis. a courageous and honorable man. before you go to sleep tonite. I can only ask for you to hit yours knees and ask for strength to help Jerry Lee Brown find peace.

Good Night............

well our best to you and your Dad ... stay in touch. Our thoughts will be with you and your father...
G

[BruceSmith 3]

Keep us posted Dave. Rermember, you are family here to us. With all the back-stabbing, threats, and expressions of affection, what else could we be?

I am serious.

My dad died at 90, in 2007. He died of a heart attack and was gone in a few hours. To me and my mom it was a relief, surprisngly, because we no longer had to worry about him every second of every day as the Altzheimer's intensified. He wasn't major zonko, just enough so that you had to keep an eye on him all the time to make sure he was okay.

He died like he lived. No muss, no fuss. No big dramas, and his wake and service reflected that.

My mom is a completely different. She is a loud battle axe and Drama is her middle name. She and I have fought since the womb. Yet, I tremble at her passing, which seems imminet at 89 years old and barely walking and half-blind.

Nevertheless, she never misses an opportunity to tell me how to live my life. When she goes, I may be really depressed, as opposed to kind of depressed, which is my ususal state of mind these days as I try to peddle my Cooper book and look for meaning in my life.

Obviously, I provide my mother with many opportunities to tell me how I can straighten up and fly right.

As for preparing yourself, you're doing all the right things. You sound like you have your eyes wide open as to the reality of your father's health, and you're honest with your friends, or frenemies as the case may be.

I truly appreciate you telling us about what is transpiring in Shutter World. As a guy in the professional Hurricane Preparedness Field, you seem as ready as anyone could be for the storm winds headed your way.

Next time I crack a bottle of Scotch, I'll send a toast your way.

[BruceSmith 3]

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:...Death is difficult to face be it your own or the death of a loved one. BE there FOR HIM when the time comes - to die alone - is NOT a journey any of us want to face, but neither do we want our loved ones to see us suffer. It is a hard choice to make...."

Reply,

I have some strong counter thoughts to this message. Dying alone is not an "ashunder" or shame in Yiddish. Being alone is often a blessing for me when I struggle or suffer with illness. Most of the time, the folks I know say something lame or cliche-ish and it makes my suffering worse.

Also, we all die alone. No one can die for us. It's an alone experience. Plus, where we are going with death can only be reached by ourselves. We can't bring anyone with us.

People who meditate or pray a lot are often away from this world. They often go to Absolute Elsewhere, so their ties to this world are diminished. I sense that dying is easier for them.

Also, those of us who are around death frequently, such as heatlh workers or guys on the treadmill in cardiac rehab, are more familiar with death. It's not as dark, strange, and forboding for us as it it for others.

I used to watch autopsies when I worked in a hospital. I loved looking at dead bodies. It was a sacred experience as I quickly realized that death reveals to us how different life is - how rich it is and how vibrant life is. The difference between a dead body and one that is merely in a coma or drugged is astounding.

I think the world is done an ill-service by funeral homes who paint the body to make it look "real." The mourners are cheated of a precious experience by seeing how not-alive their loved one is.

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RobertMBlevins

I did about five years' working in various nursing homes, as well as volunteering at Childrens' Hospital in Seattle. I saw pretty quick that death is sometimes the better alternative to what people sometimes have to go through near the end. I decided early on that a quick death was fine with me. I mean like that girl and the bus at the end of the film Final Destination. Bam, it's over.

Alzheimer's can make you doubt the existence of God, I think. It's one of the cruelest diseases because not only does it take your life, but it ERASES your entire life before it does. And this happens to some very nice people who did nothing to deserve such a fate. The nicest one I knew was a lady named Hazel. She was lucky. Her family finally had to put her in care, and the first night she was there she fell and broke a hip. They were going to operate, etc. She told her daughter, 'Just let me go. I don't want to go out like this...' By 'this,' she meant her Alzheimer's. She was still within the area where she knew what was happening to her and what the result would be. So the daughter went no-code with her and Hazel died a day or two later. That is mercy, in my humble opinion.

Last March, my stepbrother Larry Jr. died at age 56 because a stent for his kidney went bad, and he went coma on the operating table when they went back in to replace it. Supposed to be a routine procedure. Everyone got a chance to drop by and say goodbye before they pulled the plug. He was zero brain activity, etc. He left one hell of a big family behind.

It was hard to lose Larry so suddenly like that. We had a lot of fun when we were kids on Guam. They hadn't cleaned up the island from the war yet, so we all played Army with REAL tanks and artillery pieces left over from the war. Mostly Japanese. You just had to watch out there weren't any pythons inside the tanks.

My thoughts and prayers go out to Shutter and his family. We all get carried away here sometimes. But there are things more important than Cooper. Actually, pretty much everything else.

Bruce Smith says in part:

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'1. November 24, 2013 is the Sunday before Thanksgiving and is the 42nd anniverary of the skyjacking. I know of no celebration on that day.

2. Geoffrey is coming to Tacoma on Friday, November 29, and will speak at the Washington State Historical Museum in the evening. I will be there, along with Robb Heady.

3. Saturday, November 30, there will be a lengthy symposium on Cooper issues at the WSHM, and I understand it is being organized by Doug Crispin-Kenck. I have no idea who is speaking or on what topics. I know I haven't been asked, nor anyone else that I know of, such as Ron and Pat Forman or Galen. The Symposium starts at 8 am, and goes until 2 pm.

Again, Robb Heady and I will be there.

Afterwards, Robb and I, along with the Formans, will be heading to Ariel for the shin-dig. The Ariel party revs up aournd 3 pm in the afternoon and lasts through the night. Live country music and hot dancing starts about dark - 5-ish. Meyer says he is coming and will sing again with the band. I hope Christie is there to sing harmony.... I bet Mr. Louie will take the stage at about 7 or 8 pm.

That's what I know so far.'

This is what I plan on doing throughout all that:

I'm not attending the Symposium at WSHM. Hopefully, someone will ask Geoff Gray about KC's house and the arrangements on it for cash.

Instead of Ariel this year, I'm going camping and will do a Cooper-related video.

Trust me on this: I will have much more fun doing this than doing that long drive to Ariel another year, watching people smoke dope in the road and drink mass quantities. I did the video on Ariel last year. Someone else's turn. Can't go every year, and partly because a guy like Meyer Louie ('Fuck you, Blevins...') repeatedly until he got banned from Dropzone will be in attendance. Get real. This is even better motivation to go fishing at the High Lake and use my not-bad camping gear for a late-fall camp.

If I ever needed anything to make this decision and prep up the gear, it was that. A man is often known by the company he keeps.

Life goes on as before - without you.

Have a nice meltdown!

[skyjack71 0]

So what are you going to do with all of your spare time after the FBI and other all make their declarations - Cooper is dead.

I would love to be in WA, but that is basically impossible at this time. I have more reason to be there than anyone else ever involved in the case.

The only thing that will be revealed is that individuals have been on a TREASURY hunt compliments of the FBI, Sluggo, J.Thomas and others.
There is more truth to this than any of you will ever know.

If I was there I would be incognito, but there is NO way to disquse an old lady who looks like what Jo probably looks like today.

I freeze up in person and this can be attested to by those who have interviewed me...my mind does NOT stay focused - and I loose anyone listening to me or trying to figure out what I am talking about...I ramble and this has gotten worse as of recent.

Why Me! I gave it all I had! ALL was NOT enough!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

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'Life goes on as before - without you.

Have a nice meltdown!'

I did the last three Ariels. After the last one, I decided I had enough of it for a while. It's almost three hours each way from my house, you know. My fave camping spot in the Olympics is just over an hour away. You figure it out. I have to admit that after my stepbrother passed away, I started taking a look at where I was spending time, and priorities. I determined it was Cooper-Heavy.

Meltdown? You never cease to make me laugh. We have several hundred pre-orders of our new (illustrated) release, The Queen of Hearts - The Life and Times of a Golden Age Burlesque Queen, (author's name being withheld until release) and a fair number on Revenge Story (Julia Broussard)

I'm happier now than I have been in quite a while. Cooper has become not completely boring to me, but it's definitely taken a back seat to other, more interesting things. You only WISH you had my life, baby. Can you imagine how fun it was to receive that flash drive with the 120 pictures for the Queen book? That book was the most fun I've had doing an edit for...well, forever.

I'm not sure how Revenge Story will do at Amazon, but I guarantee Q of H will exceed expectations. More than sixty images included. Racy, but none are X-rated. Many were taken professionally during this lady's career, and she's been all over North America. The pictures from the marqees prove she was a solid headliner. I'm already working on the film script. Forget Cooper. He's getting to be a bore. And I'm starting to believe the case will never be solved anyway.

Maybe that's how it was supposed to end all along...

And after the years you've spent chasing Cooper, (much longer than I have) you still aren't one shred closer to identifying him than you were at the start. You don't even have a decent suspect going...

I guess the real truth is this: Since most of the work I did on the case concerned Kenny, if it turns out he wasn't the guy, then I guess I don't care that much. Probably turn out to be someone no one's ever heard of before anyway.

It was Kenneth. If you go to Aerial this year you will see every one agree in front of you. This will be the biggest party ever. Wish you were there to take credit for all your hard work I will not let it go unnoticed. The gray Cops Ken and Paul GC 148 and GC 184 HA HA HA DB COOPER May be his partners will show and I can get my 50 cents and that kiss on the cheek

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

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'Life goes on as before - without you.

Have a nice meltdown!'

I did the last three Ariels. After the last one, I decided I had enough of it for a while. It's almost three hours each way from my house, you know. I started taking a look at where I was spending time, and priorities. I determined it was Cooper-Heavy.



I'm happier now than I have been in quite a while. Cooper has become not completely boring to me, but it's definitely taken a back seat to other, more interesting things. You only WISH you had my life, baby.

I'm not sure how Revenge Story will do at Amazon. Forget Cooper. He's getting to be a bore. And I'm starting to believe the case will never be solved anyway.

Maybe that's how it was supposed to end all along...



I guess the real truth is this: Since most of the work I did on the case concerned Kenny, if it turns out he wasn't the guy, then I guess I don't care that much. Probably turn out to be someone no one's ever heard of before anyway.

Really ???

You are not going to be there w/ all the posting you have done?
what are you doing here ? Is that even a question..

Just the latest in a very long string of things that just don't add up about this case.

Look forward to meeting folks at Ariel who are actually interested in separating the facts from the fabrications.

uberalles

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RobertMBlevins

******Georger says in part:

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'Life goes on as before - without you.

Have a nice meltdown!'

I did the last three Ariels. After the last one, I decided I had enough of it for a while. It's almost three hours each way from my house, you know. I started taking a look at where I was spending time, and priorities. I determined it was Cooper-Heavy.



I'm happier now than I have been in quite a while. Cooper has become not completely boring to me, but it's definitely taken a back seat to other, more interesting things. You only WISH you had my life, baby.

I'm not sure how Revenge Story will do at Amazon. Forget Cooper. He's getting to be a bore. And I'm starting to believe the case will never be solved anyway.

Maybe that's how it was supposed to end all along...



I guess the real truth is this: Since most of the work I did on the case concerned Kenny, if it turns out he wasn't the guy, then I guess I don't care that much. Probably turn out to be someone no one's ever heard of before anyway.

Really ???

You are not going to be there w/ all the posting you have done?
what are you doing here ? Is that even a question..

Just the latest in a very long string of things that just don't add up about this case.

Look forward to meeting folks at Ariel who are actually interested in separating the facts from the fabrications.

uberalles

Ariel is great, but serious discussions on the case are hard to come by. Mostly people get hammered, dance their asses off, or step out into the road to smoke dope. (It's legal in Washington now.)

There will be Cooper folk aplenty to chaw with, no problem. The reason I decided to skip it this year is because I did it three years running, managed the long trip home safely, and did a one-hour video on it LAST year. Starts out with the same guy who continually told me 'Eff U' and 'Screw U' until he finally got banned from Dropzone. His buddy Bruce is in the same segment. Whatever I did to him I haven't a clue. Bruce is still okay in my book.

I've already presented everything I have for the moment on Kenny Christiansen. Was he The Guy? Hell, I don't know for sure. But everything has been presented for now and there's no use beating a dead horse.

Been working beyond belief since May, and my only schedule break happens after Thanksgiving. So I'm headed for the hills. Instead of facing a long drive home, I can just collapse in my tent after day hiking, cooking, target shooting, guitar-slamming, and sleeping until noon.
Hopefully, I won't run into another pissed-off bear.

Well others say the reason you arent going to these events is
to avoid an almost certain series of confrontations ... with
pissed-off bears!

When the going gets real, the tough go hide in the woods
... and complain about drug use at Ariel?

Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It's good enough for me

It was good for the Hebrew children
It was good for the Hebrew children
It was good for the Hebrew children
It's good enough for me

It was good for dad and mother
It was good for dad and mother
It was good for dad and mother
And it's good enough for me

It will do when I am dyin'
It will do when I am dyin'
It will do when I am dyin'
It's good enough for me

Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
Gimme that old time religion
It's good enough for me

Aw hell! I think I'll avoid the whole thing and grab some
chaw and Bud and my baseball hat, chewing gum, and stinky
boots, and go to da woods and go fishin instead. I need to get
outta town! I'll ride my goat if I have to!
It's good enough for me.