DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

keep in mind this was 1971, not 2001. not everyone had a hand full of 20's in there pocket. I believe the whole thing was documented to catch the thief with the cash and used in court as evidence.

the list is not that hard to follow with the letter & numbers documented. you don't have to look at every number on the list. you are sugar coating the issue at hand.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[MarkBennett 5]

mrshutter45

keep in mind this was 1971, not 2001. not everyone had a hand full of 20's in there pocket. I believe the whole thing was documented to catch the thief with the cash and used in court as evidence.

the list is not that hard to follow with the letter & numbers documented. you don't have to look at every number on the list. you are sugar coating the issue at hand.

Good point, Mr. Shutter and I think Robert99 also made a very good point I hadn't thought of (only checking 20's from a small set of series). I'd have to confirm this, but I think the series (e.g. 1950) changes every time there is a new Secretary of Treasury or Treasurer of the United States, since the face of the bill must change.

So, only searching a subset of a bills that are not as common as 1's or 5's make the search not as difficult as it would appear.

I hadn't thought of those things. That's why I read this thread.

[mrshutter45 21]

MarkBennett

***keep in mind this was 1971, not 2001. not everyone had a hand full of 20's in there pocket. I believe the whole thing was documented to catch the thief with the cash and used in court as evidence.

the list is not that hard to follow with the letter & numbers documented. you don't have to look at every number on the list. you are sugar coating the issue at hand.

Good point, Mr. Shutter and I think Robert99 also made a very good point I hadn't thought of (only checking 20's from a small set of series). I'd have to confirm this, but I think the series (e.g. 1950) changes every time there is a new Secretary of Treasury or Treasurer of the United States, since the face of the bill must change.

So, only searching a subset of a bills that are not as common as 1's or 5's make the search not as difficult as it would appear.

I hadn't thought of those things. That's why I read this thread.


look what happened to McCoy. they had matched his hand writing which was enough for a search warrant. then they found the cash in his house. I'm sure the bills were documented (not marked) and that sealed the deal on him.

they hope to catch him red handed more than chasing the money thru the system, I'm not saying that won't work, but it comes down to catching him with the loot.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

RobertMBlevins

***note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list. I say check the picture, which comprises about 3% of the total numbers. There are 33 other pages besides the numbers shown in the picture.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

people had more pride in those days. not a lot of whining like today. I doubt it would have been fun, but that's why they call it WORK

added: I never said it was "easy" I said it wouldn't be that hard to follow.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'While on the subject of the money, the bank people in Seattle apparently had to do quite a bit of extra work to even get the money from the special stash due to the fact that the banks were probably closed, or at least closing, by the time they were aware of the hijacking and money demand. And since this was the day before Thanksgiving, I imagine that bank personnel were already heading home.

This suggests that the hijacker was not familiar with the banking hours in Seattle.

KC would have known about the banking hours and probably would have hijacked an airliner an hour or two earlier to make sure that NWA or the FBI could get the money.

Or to put it another way, the time of the hijacking suggests that KC was not involved...'

Well, you could say that about almost any suspect, since the plane was hijacked late in the afternoon right before a major holiday. Banking hours are generally the same anywhere you go.

Everyone who lived in the Seattle area knew that one of the reasons SeaFirst was so popular was because many branches stayed open until 6PM. Not sure if that matters, though. How would the hijacker know where NWA planned on obtaining the money?

Explanation: You assume the hijacker knew the money would be coming from an actual bank. Perhaps he thought it would be coming from the airline itself. Maybe he figured a major company like NWA would have that kind of cash available on hand.

On the search for the bills: It was well-known that the tellers at Northwest banks had a hell of a time checking all their incoming twenties against the list. This is why the effort stopped so soon after the hijacking. Sure, you could eliminate some of the bills by looking at the dates. But every time you find one with a correct date, then you have to take that bill and wade through that massive 34-page list of numbers again. Since the numbers were NOT sequential, but RANDOM serial numbers...this means you have to look at practically every single number on the list against the bill in your hand. What fun...

We will call that 'The 10,000 Number Shuffle'. I would imagine by the time the banks finally gave up the effort, that the tellers hated D.B. Cooper for sure.

Blevins,

On page 128 of Tosaw's book is a letter of transmittal from old J. Edgar Hoover himself to the banking community and everyone else. The letter is dated November 29, 1971 (5 days after the hijacking) the entire list of bill numbers is attached.

From just a casual glance at the list, it appears that the entire list is in alphanumerical order. In plain language, that means the list is not random but in an ordered sequence. Added to the fact that only three series years are involved (1950, 1966, 1969) and need to be considered, it is as easy as apple pie to check a bill for one of the series years against that list.

Of course, NWA had to get the money from a bank! The ransom money was equivalent to more than one million dollars in today's money. It would be stupid beyond belief to thank that NWA had dedicated funds on hand for a possible hijacking.

Where would NWA keep the physical money? Minneapolis, Tokyo, Washington (DC), Portland, Seattle, Missoula? How would the hijacker know that NWA had ANY money, over and above their normal operating funds, at the airport in Seattle. Believe it or not, airlines use banks and checks also.

Robert99

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

***note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown.
Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was.

Blevins, Look at the numbers in the attachment to your post, those numbers are in alphanumerical order! They are NOT random!

Robert99

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Robert99

******note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown.
Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was.

Blevins, Look at the numbers in the attachment to your post, those numbers are in alphanumerical order! They are NOT random!

Robert99

First post here. Hello to all.

Currently reading Geoffrey Gray's book Skyjack and I'm sure he claims the serial numbers of the $20 ransom notes were NOT supplied in sequential order to banks etc. From memory he does say the $20 showed only 3 different year dates. He nominates the years, but I don't have the book with me.

Go easy. Some of you have had 43 years and 1978 pages start on me.

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Dear Robert 99 - this is ONE time U are wrong. The only hold up on the money was due to delays on the ground and the chutes NOT being available. Cooper was aware of Seattle having this money in preparation - and WHY Seattle was chosen.

Yes the money had been set aside and one has to wonder if they really had to record all of the bills.
Why such poor preparation? The bill should already have been copied and recorded and in stacks.

The way it came down - seems like there was little preparation ahead of time other the the money being on hand. Only select banks had the funds set aside for such an incident. Cooper knew this when he chose Seattle and due to remote area knew his chance of getting way - IF he survived the jump was a high probability!

I always wondered why 20's were chosen and not 100's...if they had actually prepared for such an incident.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

Robert, your making this worse than it seems. bankers deal with numbers all day long. they are around cash all day long. it's like me telling you that you have no choice but to clean bathrooms all day long in your cleaning ventures. personally I think it didn't matter because none of the money was spent!

I'm sure some would have taken pride in trying to find the matching numbers. you seem to just want to prove, or believe the money got thru the system. that's reality.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[18C 0]

RobertMBlevins

*********note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown.
Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was.

Blevins, Look at the numbers in the attachment to your post, those numbers are in alphanumerical order! They are NOT random!

Robert99

Yeah...well, maybe so. Still...you try to match up one bill at a time from that 34 page nightmare. I'm surprised that some NW banks forced the tellers to keep doing that for up to six months. The smarter, or more merciful banks, (*respected their valued employees*) gave up the effort within the first three months.

For Everyone Else: I'm going to attach the single-page example of the number list again as a reminder.
300 numbers on that page. There were about 9,700 OTHER numbers, as well as an additional 33 pages.

Can we say 'nightmare on the job'? I think it's safe to assume that NW bank tellers at that time saw at least fifty, a hundred, who knows how many twenties coming across their counter each day. (*Don't forget to check those bills before you go home...*)

Glad I wasn't a teller in Seattle back in '72. I would have quit and gone into writing sci-fi.

I read your book Into The Blast recently and enjoyed it.

Current reading Geoffrey Gray's book - about half way through it - which I know you based part of your book on.

Assuming that picture attached earlier is of the actual list of $20 serial numbers supplied to banks, how did both Geoffrey Gray and yourself get it wrong in your books about whether the serial numbers were supplied sequentially or not??

Surprised you chose to leave out some things Gray mentions about Kenny Christiansen - as an example that he was thought to be gay. In your book I started to wonder about that, but from memory you avoided stating it.

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

***note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown.
Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was.

Blevins, for a given bill number, you don't have to check the whole 10,000 bill list! Get real!

You are saying that if you are looking for the number 2 in a list that is ordered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 that you would continue past 2 and go all the way to 9 even after finding 2. Again, get real!

And for alphanumeric sequences you don't necessarily even start at the first bill on the list. You go to the first listing that starts with the first letter (alpha) or number (numeric) of the bill you are checking. If the bill serial numbers are in a ringed binder, it probably wouldn't take a reasonably experienced clerk more than 15 seconds to check it out after she first noticed the appropriate series year on the front of the bill.

Your efforts to make checking the serial numbers so difficult that nobody would do it is because YOU need to explain why none of the ransom, other than the money found at Tina Bar, was ever found. It's simple - The remainder of the ransom was never found is because it was NEVER found. Nobody, much less KC, ever spent it.

Robert99

[mrshutter45 21]

The "cleaning biz" was an example Robert. I don't think the money was spent because I believe he didn't make it.

you have undocumented proof of the money being spent. you know the KC paid cash for his house thingy. $14,000...$15,500, $16,500? $10 for the lot etc, etc.

don't you think with all the publicity KC has received that the FBI would listen to your little story? I believe you have been had by hoaxers if you ask me. you will go down just as Jo has by never believing anything except your own work. 17 years from now you will be singing the same tune.

I'm finished with this discussion.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

All of this began because Robert99 claimed it was 'easy' for Northwest tellers to hand-check each incoming twenty against that 34-page list of 10,000 different serial numbers. And I say that is BS. I was living in the Seattle area at the time of the hijacking and things were mentioned in the local media about this search. It wasn't easy and tellers generally hated doing it.

Blevins, First read my post number 49441 and then go to Wikipedia and search for "alphanumeric sequences" and, I assume since I haven't checked it myself, that an article will turn up explaining the subject.

You simply DO NOT understand what you are talking about above.

Robert99

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, for a given bill number, you don't have to check the whole 10,000 bill list! Get real!

You are saying that if you are looking for the number 2 in a list that is ordered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 that you would continue past 2 and go all the way to 9 even after finding 2. Again, get real!

And for alphanumeric sequences you don't necessarily even start at the first bill on the list. You go to the first listing that starts with the first letter (alpha) or number (numeric) of the bill you are checking. If the bill serial numbers are in a ringed binder, it probably wouldn't take a reasonably experienced clerk more than 15 seconds to check it out after she first noticed the appropriate series year on the front of the bill.

Your efforts to make checking the serial numbers so difficult that nobody would do it is because YOU need to explain why none of the ransom, other than the money found at Tina Bar, was ever found. It's simple - The remainder of the ransom was never found is because it was NEVER found. Nobody, much less KC, ever spent it.'

Assumes facts not in evidence. How do you know the money was never spent if no one was looking for it within six months after the hijacking...
Spock would say that statement is illogical. We will have to agree to disagree with your assumption that it was 'easy' for NW tellers to check all their incoming twenties against that 34-page list.

Blevins, You are getting to be more out of touch with reality by the minute.

Robert99

[smokin99 0]

18C

************note the first 3 digits Robert, it's not that hard to search the pages. L66, L67, L68 etc.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list.

This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort.

Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown.
Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was.

Blevins, Look at the numbers in the attachment to your post, those numbers are in alphanumerical order! They are NOT random!

Robert99

Yeah...well, maybe so. Still...you try to match up one bill at a time from that 34 page nightmare. I'm surprised that some NW banks forced the tellers to keep doing that for up to six months. The smarter, or more merciful banks, (*respected their valued employees*) gave up the effort within the first three months.

For Everyone Else: I'm going to attach the single-page example of the number list again as a reminder.
300 numbers on that page. There were about 9,700 OTHER numbers, as well as an additional 33 pages.

Can we say 'nightmare on the job'? I think it's safe to assume that NW bank tellers at that time saw at least fifty, a hundred, who knows how many twenties coming across their counter each day. (*Don't forget to check those bills before you go home...*)

Glad I wasn't a teller in Seattle back in '72. I would have quit and gone into writing sci-fi.

I read your book Into The Blast recently and enjoyed it.

Current reading Geoffrey Gray's book - about half way through it - which I know you based part of your book on.

Assuming that picture attached earlier is of the actual list of $20 serial numbers supplied to banks, how did both Geoffrey Gray and yourself get it wrong in your books about whether the serial numbers were supplied sequentially or not??

Surprised you chose to leave out some things Gray mentions about Kenny Christiansen - as an example that he was thought to be gay. In your book I started to wonder about that, but from memory you avoided stating it.

Not only that, but it has been pointed out on this thread that the numbers were not "random". They are listed in alphanumeric order and any teller would easily be able to scan the list in a matter of seconds.
And whether individual bank employees did or not scan 20s for these serial numbers and for how long a period of time this happened, no one on here has a source for that as far as I know. While it might seem logical that it didn't last long, anyone on here trying to sound like an expert on this is still just guessing.

As to the KC thing, both writers leave out the fact that.....

1. Kenny bought land in the 60s which he sold a couple of years before he died for a a substantial amount of money , though they would have the reader believe that Kenny's estate indirectly came from the hijacking money .

2. Kenny did not pay cash for the lot and house that he was living on in 1972.

3. There has been no actual tangible documentation presented that proves Kenny spent more or gave/loaned money in the early 1970s. There are only anecdotal stories. The authors fail to fully disclose this.

But face it, I have read just about every book on the Cooper saga and there are contradictions in all of them. Whether this can be attributed to sloppy research, intentional misdirection, or just plain laziness is anyone's guess. Though I have my own opinions about that, I will just leave it at caveat emptor.

btw.....welcome aboard.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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RobertMBlevins

Smokin99 says in part:

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'Not only that, but it has been pointed out on this thread that the numbers were not "random". They are listed in alphanumeric order and any teller would easily be able to scan the list in a matter of seconds.
And whether individual bank employees did or not scan 20s for these serial numbers and for how long a period of time this happened, no one on here has a source for that as far as I know. While it might seem logical that it didn't last long, anyone on here trying to sound like an expert on this is still just guessing...'

I just gave you a good source. The Larry Carr interview. Carr said NW banks gave up the search for the bills in a period between three and six months after they were first issued the list. Don't take my word on my interview with the Treasury rep. Go check the Carr interview for yourself.

The logic here is as simple as it appears. If no one is looking for the bills, then they can be spent without fear of getting caught. I think your assumption that a teller could compare a single twenty to that 34-page list in 'seconds' is a bit generous. You have to feel sorry for the ones who saw more than a hundred 20-dollar bills cross their counter each day. Must have been fun.

What i'm telling you Robert is that if a list is in alphanumeric order, I do not need to check the entire list. It's like the phone book - I don't have to go through all the Bs to find Blevins.

Edited to add - Even if what you say is historically accurate as to what tellers were doing, the hijacker had no way of knowing that he could pass the bills "without fear" six months after the list was issued - so the simple as it appears logic of this is flawed from that reasoning alone.

Additionally, I noted that you referenced Carr's interview earlier. I did not say you made this up - even though you talked about tellers having a hard time with this - as if you were there.
The point I'm making is that Larry Carr has no way of knowing what individual tellers were doing in the 1970s. Or if they took the extra time to go through their 20s at the end of the day in hopes of getting that reward. How would he know this?

Yes - I agree it is logical that they did not keep this up for long - but whether they did it, how hard it was, and how long they did it is just guess work. The 3 - 6 months is a giveaway that it is guesswork. Which was it? 3 or 6? 3 months is a lot of 20s.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

how much information was given out in 71/72 that people stopped looking for the money in banks? did Cooper know this? was this public knowledge in that time period? my guess would be Cooper wouldn't have spent the money so quickly.

I seem recall them giving rewards if they found Cooper cash. when was this? I just don't think someone would be ready to go on a spending spree so early into this. especially if they did such a daring crime. one would think a little hesitation would be in order? the average thief will rob your house and head right to the pawn shop. this is a little different.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[FLYJACK 716]

mrshutter45

how much information was given out in 71/72 that people stopped looking for the money in banks? did Cooper know this? was this public knowledge in that time period? my guess would be Cooper wouldn't have spent the money so quickly.

I seem recall them giving rewards if they found Cooper cash. when was this? I just don't think someone would be ready to go on a spending spree so early into this. especially if they did such a daring crime. one would think a little hesitation would be in order? the average thief will rob your house and head right to the pawn shop. this is a little different.

also, it wouldn't just be the hijacker passing the bills, 10,000 bills passed 20 times is 200,000 passes... some of those bills would have been still in circ well into the eighties, but is it possible, sure but less likely.. not much weight to this other than to widen suspects to US and foreign..

[smokin99 0]

FLYJACK

***how much information was given out in 71/72 that people stopped looking for the money in banks? did Cooper know this? was this public knowledge in that time period? my guess would be Cooper wouldn't have spent the money so quickly.

I seem recall them giving rewards if they found Cooper cash. when was this? I just don't think someone would be ready to go on a spending spree so early into this. especially if they did such a daring crime. one would think a little hesitation would be in order? the average thief will rob your house and head right to the pawn shop. this is a little different.

also, it wouldn't just be the hijacker passing the bills, 10,000 bills passed 20 times is 200,000 passes... some of those bills would have been still in circ well into the eighties, but is it possible, sure but less likely.. not much weight to this other than to widen suspects to US and foreign..

Obviously there are no absolutes that can be drawn from the fact that no money has ever been found in circulation; however, if he passed the money in the US, I still find it difficult to believe that there has never been a find.

Yes - even if tellers at banks were not able to scan bills for any length of time, and even if the subset of people that have a "greater than average interest" in this case is small in relation to the population at large - no matter how you slice it -- the fact that not a single 20 has surfaced is something you have to at least consider as being problematic to the "US hijacker survived with the loot" theory.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

FLYJACK

***how much information was given out in 71/72 that people stopped looking for the money in banks? did Cooper know this? was this public knowledge in that time period? my guess would be Cooper wouldn't have spent the money so quickly.

I seem recall them giving rewards if they found Cooper cash. when was this? I just don't think someone would be ready to go on a spending spree so early into this. especially if they did such a daring crime. one would think a little hesitation would be in order? the average thief will rob your house and head right to the pawn shop. this is a little different.

also, it wouldn't just be the hijacker passing the bills, 10,000 bills passed 20 times is 200,000 passes... some of those bills would have been still in circ well into the eighties, but is it possible, sure but less likely.. not much weight to this other than to widen suspects to US and foreign..


agreed, I just feel if Cooper was alive, then some of the money should exist. so many stories of things seen in the past trying to connect the suspect to the crime without any real proof because they can't produce what they are talking about. they leave more gaps than the FBI does!

I truly believe if Cooper made it, then things from the crime should also have made it. lots of them come forward, but they all lack any real proof. I hear story after story. it's a pattern between them all trying to link the suspect to the crime. Jo claims she held the ticket in her hand. why didn't she ask Duane who Dan Cooper was and why do you have this ticket that's not yours?

according to Marla LD lost the money over farmland. the owner of the farm never found it, or the chute?

KC shows nothing proof wise showing an improvement in his life style. he went from a small apartment into a small house living there until his death (with a mortgage) no proof of any loan other than a simple story. one person claimed to have seen KC wearing the tie clip, but didn't remember the black tie? his work uniform shows him wearing a common black tie. how do you fail to not notice that, but remember the clip? not buying it.

what would happen if the FBI came forward and said he jumped somewhere past Portland? all these people with suspects would be in trouble because they all form around the original jump site with there stories. I'll agree the FBI hasn't been batting a thousand on this, but I don't think they are ignoring these suspects to try and cover up anything.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Robert99 50]

smokin99

The point I'm making is that Larry Carr has no way of knowing what individual tellers were doing in the 1970s. Or if they took the extra time to go through their 20s at the end of the day in hopes of getting that reward. How would he know this?

Perhaps Blevins can tell us if Larry Carr had even been born by 1971/1972?

[mrshutter45 21]

RobertMBlevins

******

The point I'm making is that Larry Carr has no way of knowing what individual tellers were doing in the 1970s. Or if they took the extra time to go through their 20s at the end of the day in hopes of getting that reward. How would he know this?

Perhaps Blevins can tell us if Larry Carr had even been born by 1971/1972?

Answer: Yes. Not by much, though. But since he was a case agent for Cooper and had access to all the FBI files, he deserves a certain amount of respect. His main job was never Cooper, but busting bank robbers and bringing them to justice. Too bad some beanheads drove him away from DZ, isn't it?

Meanwhile, you can argue about how easy it was to compare this twenty or that from a list of 10,000 numbers printed on a 34-page list...


Robert, you are the only one who can't understand the numbers on the sheets. what "beanheads" drove Carr off this form?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[FLYJACK 716]

ok, not sure if this works, a flying tour of the potential float path from the St Johns dump to TBAR in 2002 (image)..




Download file open in GOOGLE EARTH..

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Flyjack

It would have been easy to launder the Norjak money by using it at Casino's and when exchanged for a couple hundred in twenties the chips could be later exchanged for larger bills. DB might have had a partner that was a gambler who could have laundered the loot very easily. Cossey was a gambler, could he have done the laundering? Did they know each other from Issaquah Sky Sports?

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw@aol.com