DB Cooper

[skyjack71 0]

My Christmas gift from Duane Weber came a little early today. It was around 4 Pm and I had fell asleep on the couch. I was having a dream (note I took NO medications today so don't come off with what I know you guys are thinking).

In the dream I am in the bedroom and I see or hear someone and the bedroom door get pull to by someone - I knew there was someone in the house and was fighting to get awake, but something was holding me and I couldn't move and who ever or what ever went out the door. I free myself from what ever was holding me in this semi trance like dream. But, I am still dreaming and I am outside stumbling around in a daze and I see one of those UPS trailers and a UPS man. I asked him if he saw some one come out of my house - I am still unsteady and feeling uncertain on my feet.

Then the DOOR Bell ring - I am still on the couch and go to the door - the UPS man had just left a package.

That was the beginning of a string of memories in the last few hours. I had received an email this morning - but just didn't see anything there of value - just 2 words relating to anoher subject regarding Cooper - but, it just didn't mean anything.

The name of an area. I thought how odd, but again just could not put my head around it.

After the dream - something drove me to go to some very very old files and then I found IT. Don't know what I can do about IT until after the 1st of the yr. This one find led to a string of finds....even I do NOT believe what I may have possibly came up on!

I believe the FBI is going to HAVE to RETHINK their entire INVESTIGATION if one can even call it an investigation.

Two words and then I started to match things that didn't match and I need to look some things up on the computer, but I don't feel so well right now. It has been sitting and staring the FBI and JO WEBER in the face for YRS and YRS.

I have ALWAYS refrained from reading or inquiring about other suspects - Just what is mentioned in this thread.

If what I have found proves out and I do believe with all of my heard and sole it will - When I give it to the FBI I will give them 3 DAY to do what they have to do....it is easy with geneaology reports I have problems accessing. How I missed this I will never know. A possible and a VERY strong connection between Weber and another suspect....ALL because I do NOT research on other suspects.

NO NO it is NOT Kenny!
I will just say this guy was presented as a suspect over the yrs - now I think there is better than a 90% chance that suspect is heavily connected to another suspect.

The dream I had was a representation of a GOOD BYE. Duane had come back - and made his presence....know with the dream and the dream was on target with a Christmas package arriving. Do I believe in Ghost or the paranormal - NO I do NOT I just know what happened this afternoon.

It was buried in Duane's past and the things he told me on the trip, but there was never a trigger point - the name of a place or the name of a woman. NO way this profile if I can call it a profile at this time - can put 2 suspects so close together in the past they could reach out and touch each other.

Too much to digest. ALL of this time it came down to keeping an open mind! That is all. Also to have studied other subjects and their backgrounds - accidently stumbling on one commonality and then it divides and each story starts to grow. To HELL with Ghosts or Spirits - if this turns out to solve the crime - then I am a believer.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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mrshutter45

***The numbers list was distributed in December 1971.

According to the FBI document from their website, the numbers were distributed to FBI offices around the country as well as police departments and "various business establishments".

The list must have been reasonably well distributed or at the very least readily available before 1973 when it was published in the newspaper - because the serial numbers were used in the Karl Fleming hoax in Feb 1972. Fleming had access to the list (I'm guessing from his work as a journalist).
He said that is how he got duped - because the serial number(s) that he saw matched number(s) on the list.
(If I'm remembering correctly, Lewis and Murphy showed Fleming photocopies of the bills)

that would be correct. the FBI has them in the FBI vault thingy on there site showing the fake bills.

And a couple of other miscellaneous fyi points about the serial numbers from recent posts that might need clarification if one is inclined to dig further. Sources for 1 and 2 below are the Bureau of Engraving and Printing website and US Treasury websites:

1. Regarding the regular destruction of worn-out paper money going to the Bureau of Engraving and printing for destruction. From information on the website, it appears that the Federal Reserve banks handle "normal" wear and tear destruction and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing handles public or other claims for damaged or mutilated currency. "The Bureau audits cash destruction and unfit currency operations at Federal Reserve Banks, and it is responsible for the accountability and destruction of internally generated security waste products. As a service to the public, the Bureau also processes claims for the redemption of mutilated paper currency." -
Doesn't drastically change anything in the discussion - probably miscommunication - just fyi for future reference if anyone is interested in investigating the serial number angle in more depth.

2. The serial number consists of the prefix letter (fed reserve location), 8 numbers, then the suffix letter (denotes which print run)
The last two numbers and letter on the Cooper lists are not part of the serial number. They denote the series year and change sequence (if there is one).

3, Fwiw, the Cooper hijacking bills were not just 1969 series so some of the bills were already nearing or past their "average" useful life.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[georger 245]

Executives at the Travel Channel wish to correct the
RobertMBlevins false information post on Dropzone:

re- the January 5th episode of "AMERICA DECLASSIFIED" will be a new, previously unseen episode about the Tena Bar money find. It will feature new people and a new science team put together to examine the Tena Bar - Cooper money find in 1980, and related matters. .

It is regrettable that Mr. Blevins assertion about this being a
re-run was posted on Dropzone. Mr. Blevins assertions are
wrong! Mr. Blevins should confirm facts before he posts false
assertions and information, which is his habit to do at Dropzone
and elsewhere.

Thank you.

[Amazon 7]

I think you probably need a tissue...

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RobertMBlevins

******The numbers list was distributed in December 1971.

According to the FBI document from their website, the numbers were distributed to FBI offices around the country as well as police departments and "various business establishments".

The list must have been reasonably well distributed or at the very least readily available before 1973 when it was published in the newspaper - because the serial numbers were used in the Karl Fleming hoax in Feb 1972. Fleming had access to the list (I'm guessing from his work as a journalist).
He said that is how he got duped - because the serial number(s) that he saw matched number(s) on the list.
(If I'm remembering correctly, Lewis and Murphy showed Fleming photocopies of the bills)

that would be correct. the FBI has them in the FBI vault thingy on there site showing the fake bills.

Fleming was seriously affected emotionally from this episode. He actual had a nervous breakdown over it. A few years ago, he had recovered enough that he told Porteous he would talk about the incident. Then Fleming's wife stepped in at the last minute and said 'no way'.

He went through a period of depression, but he had recovered and was back in journalism by the late 70s, I believe. (I read his memoir but I don't still have the copy).

I think that he was humiliated, plus many were undecided on whether he was the scammed or the scammer in trying to get the new magazine off the ground. My opinion - he was legit - just got too excited by the "scoop" and got sloppy.

His memoir is actually very interesting. He covered (on the front line) some volatile times in our history. Edited to add a detailed obit from LA Times...

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/12/local/la-me-karl-fleming-20120812

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

He went through a period of depression, but he had recovered and was back in journalism by the late 70s, I believe. (I read his memoir but I don't still have the copy).

I think that he was humiliated, plus many were undecided on whether he was the scammed or the scammer in trying to get the new magazine off the ground. My opinion - he was legit - just got too excited by the "scoop" and got sloppy.

His memoir is actually very interesting. He covered (on the front line) some volatile times in our history. Edited to add a detailed obit from LA Times...

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug/12/local/la-me-karl-fleming-20120812

On the other hand, I've always wondered about the level of detail that the con men had in the interview, presumably before some of it became public knowledge.
They didn't have it all correct, but there were some things in the interview that correspond to transcript and recent info that I've never found in other articles of the day.
So where did they get their info? As a journalist, Fleming could have been in a position to know some of those details - maybe even a source in the FBI. And he was under a lot of pressure to succeed. hmmm

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[Amazon 7]

OMG YOU STUCK A TREE UP THAT ANGELS ASS

[FLYJACK 716]

Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

[mrshutter45 21]

what do you think his motive would be to do this crime, anything point to a reason?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

what do you think his motive would be to do this crime, anything point to a reason?

He had a stable career, though not wealthy, I can't find any money problems. He was rather meek and effeminate (he may have been a latent homosexual) and I "speculate" that "DB Cooper" and the hijacking was his fulfilling an inner desire to prove his "manly" ability, an alter ego, an opposite to his identity perhaps to overcome his self loathing. It is a fact that he was fascinated and obsessed with the military and action/adventure. He secretly desired to be a "DB Cooper".

So, it wouldn't have been for the cash, but to overcome his "weak" sense of self and prove to himself that he could do it, to fulfill a desire to be what he never was but desired. It is a fact that he has a direct link to a "Dan Cooper",, including, but not exclusively, a picture with a "Dan Cooper" at a steel truss bridge with mountains in the background.. So, originally I thought it could represent the Bridge of the Gods, but it could be another bridge.. that picture may be from the area.. however, there are other provable ties to "Dan Cooper" but that is not his name..

My foreign suspect is purely circumstantial and if he was the hijacker it is an amazing story, but even if he isn't the guy it is still an amazing story..

[mrshutter45 21]

"My foreign suspect is purely circumstantial and if he was the hijacker it is an amazing story, but even if he isn't the guy it is still an amazing story.. "

I think all suspects are circumstantial, if they were not, we would have our Cooper. can you show a picture of the bridge?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[FLYJACK 716]

mrshutter45

"My foreign suspect is purely circumstantial and if he was the hijacker it is an amazing story, but even if he isn't the guy it is still an amazing story.. "

I think all suspects are circumstantial, if they were not, we would have our Cooper. can you show a picture of the bridge?

True, I just felt the need to qualify it as I am open to the probability that this is not the hijacker as some people seem to be "married" to a suspect or emotionally invested. In fact, I have been trying to eliminate him.. I don't want to get attacked for an early theory in the vetting stage..

I don't feel comfortable "yet" posting the bridge picture publicly, the identity may get disseminated and I know there will be books or movies done even if it isn't the guy, it is just too early, though I am not writing any book..

I have posted a picture, a still from a transition blend between 100% "DB Cooper" suspect sketch and 100% my suspect at an older age. All facial features match up EXACTLY... and my suspect has that turkey neck Bill Mitchell described.. he also said that the hijacker never removed his sunglasses.. was NOT swarthy,,
Here are two pics, I darkened the glasses in one to match the Mitchell description, otherwise the images are just overlaid. Maybe he can look at it. This is my suspect...

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FLYJACK

Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations.

I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from.
I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.
Do any any of the sources brought up before match what you have? or did you find another source?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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FLYJACK

It is a fact that he has a direct link to a "Dan Cooper",, including, but not exclusively, a picture with a "Dan Cooper" at a steel truss bridge with mountains in the background.. So, originally I thought it could represent the Bridge of the Gods, but it could be another bridge.. that picture may be from the area.. however, there are other provable ties to "Dan Cooper" but that is not his name..

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are getting at.
"a direct link to a "Dan Cooper" and a picture with a "Dan Cooper".
Do you mean a real person named Dan Cooper or one of the other "dan Cooper" candidates, or just an adventurous type individual?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[FLYJACK 716]

smokin99

***Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations.

I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from.
I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.
Do any any of the sources brought up before match what you have? or did you find another source?

I am not familiar with all the other sources discussed, but this is a specific source that ties directly to my suspect..

[FLYJACK 716]

smokin99

*** It is a fact that he has a direct link to a "Dan Cooper",, including, but not exclusively, a picture with a "Dan Cooper" at a steel truss bridge with mountains in the background.. So, originally I thought it could represent the Bridge of the Gods, but it could be another bridge.. that picture may be from the area.. however, there are other provable ties to "Dan Cooper" but that is not his name..

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are getting at.
"a direct link to a "Dan Cooper" and a picture with a "Dan Cooper".
Do you mean a real person named Dan Cooper or one of the other "dan Cooper" candidates, or just an adventurous type individual?

There is a "Dan Cooper" confirmed to be in the picture... and this picture is confirmed to be linked to my suspect. I assume he used the name from this individual.. if he was the hijacker

btw, the picture has a position marked on it, looks like a small square and a squiggly line?? I don't know what this means, if anything,,

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FLYJACK

I have posted a picture, a still from a transition blend between 100% "DB Cooper" suspect sketch and 100% my suspect at an older age. All facial features match up EXACTLY... and my suspect has that turkey neck Bill Mitchell described.. he also said that the hijacker never removed his sunglasses.. was NOT swarthy,,
Here are two pics, I darkened the glasses in one to match the Mitchell description, otherwise the images are just overlaid. Maybe he can look at it. This is my suspect...

This is just my opinion, but the only problem with having someone look at blended pictures is just about every candidate ends up looking like the composite when you blend. Someone has shown this at some point along the way.

Just curious, but why not just show him privately the picture of the guy without superimposing it over the composite drawing? If he would be willing to look at it, he seems like a person who would be discreet. Just from what I've read, he's pretty low key about all of this.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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FLYJACK

******Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations.

I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from.
I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.
Do any any of the sources brought up before match what you have? or did you find another source?

I am not familiar with all the other sources discussed, but this is a specific source that ties directly to my suspect..

lol...Dang you sound like a politician. let me try a yes or know...Any of the four I specifically mentioned?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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FLYJACK

****** It is a fact that he has a direct link to a "Dan Cooper",, including, but not exclusively, a picture with a "Dan Cooper" at a steel truss bridge with mountains in the background.. So, originally I thought it could represent the Bridge of the Gods, but it could be another bridge.. that picture may be from the area.. however, there are other provable ties to "Dan Cooper" but that is not his name..

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are getting at.
"a direct link to a "Dan Cooper" and a picture with a "Dan Cooper".
Do you mean a real person named Dan Cooper or one of the other "dan Cooper" candidates, or just an adventurous type individual?

There is a "Dan Cooper" confirmed to be in the picture... and this picture is confirmed to be linked to my suspect. I assume he used the name from this individual.. if he was the hijacker

btw, the picture has a position marked on it, looks like a small square and a squiggly line?? I don't know what this means, if anything,,

Okay...now that's intriguing.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[FLYJACK 716]

smokin99

***

I have posted a picture, a still from a transition blend between 100% "DB Cooper" suspect sketch and 100% my suspect at an older age. All facial features match up EXACTLY... and my suspect has that turkey neck Bill Mitchell described.. he also said that the hijacker never removed his sunglasses.. was NOT swarthy,,
Here are two pics, I darkened the glasses in one to match the Mitchell description, otherwise the images are just overlaid. Maybe he can look at it. This is my suspect...

This is just my opinion, but the only problem with having someone look at blended pictures is just about every candidate ends up looking like the composite when you blend. Someone has shown this at some point along the way.

Just curious, but why not just show him privately the picture of the guy without superimposing it over the composite drawing? If he would be willing to look at it, he seems like a person who would be discreet. Just from what I've read, he's pretty low key about all of this.

The pics that I posted are visually 90% my suspect, remember my suspect image is quite a bit older than the suspect was, if I showed you the full transition from the sketch to my suspect, your head would explode.. everything lines up...

My thought was to show Bill the blended image first, then the older one of my suspect if it was a possible match.. if anyone has an email for Bill PM me and I'll send it to him..

and I realize that a match to the sketch alone is a small piece of the "circumstantial" puzzle..

[FLYJACK 716]

smokin99

*********Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations.

I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from.
I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.
Do any any of the sources brought up before match what you have? or did you find another source?

I am not familiar with all the other sources discussed, but this is a specific source that ties directly to my suspect..

lol...Dang you sound like a politician. let me try a yes or know...Any of the four I specifically mentioned?
it is not a yes/no answer as my suspect was exposed to ALL of the ingredients that I mentioned. The ones you mentioned may have some. I just can't say exactly what it is yet,, but I have researched the ingredients and my suspect was exposed to them frequently AND while wearing a tie.

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RobertMBlevins

Flyjack: I asked a few days back if you had a specific person in mind as a suspect. You said you were just exploring points and possible evidence in the case. No problem, though. Actually, I'm glad you have someone in mind. Did you know this person?

I do not know my suspect personally, he is not related to my dump theory, I found the dump by accident exploring a steel truss bridge across the Columbia Slough as a possible source of the TBAR cash. I had speculated that he might have hidden the cash near a steel truss bridge, it got loose and floated to TBAR..

The dump, may or may not be connected to my suspect or may lead another suspect entirely,, I just found it very interesting.

Though I have been trying to eliminate my suspect that doesn't mean I can't look for another one.

EDIT, and as I said earlier, I am confident that I will be able to obtain an original document my suspect handled that will likely have fingerprints and maybe even DNA.. I am hesitant to identify him before I get the document in my possession.

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FLYJACK

************Merry Christmas everyone and especially to "Dan Cooper" wherever he may be..

From Kayes site...

Fact: The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatum is on the tie.
Fact: The Lycopodium spores are covered with a powder containing silicon, titanium and alumina.
Fact: Silicon, titanium and alumina were used as pill coatings in 1971.
Interpretation: The spores were from a pill bottle where they historically were used to keep pills from sticking together.

Conclusions
Microscopic examination of more than 28 SEM stubs from Cooper's tie revealed a quantity of Lycopodium spores. The Lycopodium spores offer the possibility that Cooper was taking some form of pill during working hours while wearing the tie. A retired pharmacist [3] was consulted as to what family of drug might use an orally ingested tablet that would require anti-stick dust, but no information could be found. Medical histories of potential Cooper suspects might reveal a particular drug that could be associated with the Lycopodium additive and thereby forging a link between the suspect and the crime.

Alternative Interpretation:
Both the "Silicon, titanium and alumina powder" AND "The Club Moss spore Lycopodium clavatumis" IS found together in something else (not a pill) and my "foreign" suspect was heavily exposed to it.. and he ALWAYS wore a tie.

He was ALSO exposed to bismuth, red and amber particles, zinc and silicon,, all found on the tie..

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

...

Unfortunately, I believe the Kaye team had a problem with jumping to conclusions in some of their interpretations.

I think we also found that these ingredients are also found in fireworks, flares, makeup, and fingerprint powder. Not to mention the various sources that the individual ingredients could have originated from.
I think there were more sources for the combination ingredients brought up - the list above is from memory. maybe paint was one?? i don't remember and I'm too lazy right now to do a full search on the forum.
Do any any of the sources brought up before match what you have? or did you find another source?

I am not familiar with all the other sources discussed, but this is a specific source that ties directly to my suspect..

lol...Dang you sound like a politician. let me try a yes or know...Any of the four I specifically mentioned?
it is not a yes/no answer as my suspect was exposed to ALL of the ingredients that I mentioned. The ones you mentioned may have some. I just can't say exactly what it is yet,, but I have researched the ingredients and my suspect was exposed to them frequently AND while wearing a tie.

Okay, I get that you're not wanting to spill the beans -- my point is the sources I mentioned such as fireworks/flares, makeup, fingerprint powder (if I remember correctly) can contain all of the listed ingredients and there is a good chance that the tie might have come into contact with one or all of these - no matter who the suspect was.
But granted the more dots you can connect, the better.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Flares caught my eye. if the bomb was made of flares he was probably playing around with them prior to the crime?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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FLYJACK

I keep trying to eliminate this guy and I can't.. the circumstantial keeps getting stronger... though I haven't determined whether he did or did not smoke.. That might eliminate him..

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A noticeable foreign accent might also eliminate him.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill