mrshutter45 21 #45401 December 27, 2013 "BTW: I didnt say I personally cared whether long-term posters make their identity known. I said you'll get better respect from the public if you do. Besides, if you solve the case, that will come out anyway" 1) "I am a firm believer in identifying yourself when making long-term and serious postings regarding DB Cooper. 2) you have contradicted yourself once again. 3) might I suggest contacting Google and asking them to remove the username option leaving only real names when signing up onto forms, Facebook, You Tube etc. 4) let's spend the day discussing this shall we? perhaps some more pics of your cat, or target practice, camping trips etc.???"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #45402 December 27, 2013 mrshutter45"BTW: I didnt say I personally cared whether long-term posters make their identity known. I said you'll get better respect from the public if you do. Besides, if you solve the case, that will come out anyway" 1) "I am a firm believer in identifying yourself when making long-term and serious postings regarding DB Cooper. 2) you have contradicted yourself once again. 3) might I suggest contacting Google and asking them to remove the username option leaving only real names when signing up onto forms, Facebook, You Tube etc. 4) let's spend the day discussing this shall we? perhaps some more pics of your cat, or target practice, camping trips etc.??? Blevins shameless self-promotion has no bounds. He has attached his name to the Fazio property online and ever other site he can find to give the impression to anyone casually passing by that he is a "leading Cooper researcher". Blevins, can you name a single thing that you have done to advance the search for D. B. Cooper? And can you name any skills or such that you have that could possibly contribute to such a search? Your book on KC is riddled with errors and is so poorly researched that any reasonably competent or ethical publisher would reject it out of hand. Nevertheless, you self-publish it even with known significant errors which, if KC was still alive, would probably result in legal action against you. And by your own statement you have two additional books related to the Cooper hijacking in the planning stage. This Cooper thread and the Cooper hijacking may well be the best thing that ever happened to you and Adventure Books, but your ego tripping and such are obvious. Dream on! Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45403 December 27, 2013 RobertMBlevins *** Blanked out? Are you REALLY that angry at me? Let me carry your bags to the desk at the Reality Hotel and have the bellboy take them upstairs. Here's the Real Deal: Cooper investigators who choose not to tell the public who they are, and what credentials make them deserving of respect...deserve no respect. Meanwhile, I will continue to answer questions from the public FOR you. Do you think that is a good idea, or even fair? I have better things to do. Someone else needs to step up and take some of these questions from the public. Unless you want me to fill in all the answers for you to anyone with anything I wish. Wake up call. Well that's another interesting theory on your part. It is working in reverse in your case! That alone does not recommend it to others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45404 December 27, 2013 FLYJACK"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45405 December 27, 2013 smokin99 *** Well, the FBI says the description is accurate. When you read the passenger descriptions, they are varied. Alice, Tina, and Flo Schaffner all picked different combinations from the FBI's Facial ID Catalog. And I don't care if people laugh about my comment on the whole thing, which is this: I still believe it might be trickier to judge someone's true height while they are inside the confines of an aircraft cabin, especially when they spent most of their time sitting down. (As opposed to standing next to them out in the open at a bus stop maybe) As I said once before, I saw former pro leaguer Bret Boone walk up and down the aisle several times while on a flight to LA. I would have sworn to anyone that he was over six feet tall and near 200 pounds. He looked Big and Tall to me. Easily. Turns out he's only five foot ten and 180 pounds. And as has been pointed out to you before when you made that observation........Robert, the point was and is..that Tina had the opportunity to interact with him as they were both standing - so she had a point of comparison. As did the gate attendant and ticket agent. As probably did the other flight attendants. Again they had a point of comparison - did they have to look up to talk to him, straight on, or look down? In the cabin, could Tina look at the top of the luggage compartment and say "he came up to here"? Knowing where someone stacks up in relation to cabin height as both are standing isn't exactly rocket science. Cabin height would be another valid reference point. Bear in mind that these descriptions were captured and documented in the moment. In your scenario, you were likely sitting down looking up at someone walking down the aisle. From that angle it might very well be likely that you would misjudge someone's height. They don't call em optical "delusions" for nothing. Yes, the other passengers - if they noticed him at all - only observed him as they were sitting or as he was sitting. Judging someone's height as they are sitting (if you are not sitting right next to them) might not be so easy - did he have a long torso and short legs, or vice versa? If I were sitting ahead or across from him, how would I know how long his legs were? (Plus, remember, at the time, according to Carr, most of the passengers had no idea what was going on and really had no reason to study him for a later description **btw.... search for Carr's post about the passengers who noticed Cooper and were able to give a description - and note who is NOT on there). (Not saying he didn't leave out a name due to privacy reasons, just putting it out there as posted) But back to the point - the other passenger descriptions are not the descriptions that I would put as much credence in as I would the people who had personal interaction with him AND had relative comparison points by sitting or standing next to him. short version of yours above: Blevins is NOT Archimedes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45406 December 27, 2013 smokin99 *********"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Not sure where Bruce got his information from..but... The phrase..from the flight crew's handwritten notes written during the hijacking....was "negotiable currency". The transcript (305 talking) has the phrase "Wants money in negotiable American currency. Denomination not important". I will be the first to attest that it is hard to keep all of this stuff straight with all of the misinformation that has been reported over the years. Yes, if the hijacker did in fact use that phrase, he would have been a foreigner, so that phrase has to be explained ex the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. Bruce suggested that it was interjected by the crew,, however, that makes less sense as they are all American,, Why would someone other than the hijacker use that phrase?? Something is fishy here?? you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that the crew added it when they are all American AND argue the hijacker didn't say it because he had to be American. I can't see why an American crew would add the phrase and if they didn't then it came from the hijacker and if the hijacker said it, he is very likely a foreigner. In other words, it is LESS likely that the crew added the phrase than it coming from the hijacker. I hate it when people edit their original posts AFTER I have responded and i see I just did the same thing. Sorry... I am reposting my edit...... Edited to add....Bruce has interviewed a lot of folks...was he saying that this was something the crew wrote or said in two different places that the hijacker didn't actually say? (referring to "negotiable currency" from notes and "negotiable American currency" from transcript) OR... was he just contesting the use of the word "American" and saying the hijacker only said "negotiable currency" as per the notes? lol...never mind.....I see you did it too.. quiz: a famous person in the dbc case turned "negotiable American currency" into a hot button. It was not Bruce! Who was it? Hint: Her first name is Carol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #45407 December 27, 2013 georger***"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45408 December 27, 2013 RobertMBlevins There is no way to tell whether those were Cooper's exact words, or whether it was something the crew said on their own to make sure the FBI didn't play games about the ransom. Unless you are willing to ask Rataczak about it, that is... On the subject of descriptions, I still say the stews differed on their estimates of Cooper's height, (they did) and I trust the descriptions more given by people who were unknown about the danger and not having the shit scared out of them. You think Mucklow was any kind of stable at that time? She was forced to remain behind, drag in the money and the chutes in the rain, and at one point asked Cooper if she could tie herself off when he opened the door. Look what happened to her after the hijacking. BTW: I didnt say I personally cared whether long-term posters make their identity known. I said you'll get better respect from the public if you do. Besides, if you solve the case, that will come out anyway. Or: there is no way to know if you are RobertMBlevins! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45409 December 27, 2013 FLYJACK******negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions). I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable.. As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic. So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative. .. The issue is not what you would do, but what DBC did! Does that compute? Do you work for Adventire Books Housecleaning? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #45410 December 27, 2013 georger*********negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions). I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable.. As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic. So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative. .. The issue is not what you would do, but what DBC did! Does that compute? Do you work for Adventire Books Housecleaning? What computes is your lack of understanding the context.. Somebody, used "American" currency somewhere in the chain, WHY if they're all presumably American.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45411 December 27, 2013 FLYJACK ******"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #45412 December 27, 2013 georger *********"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. It's all supposition, of course, but to Flyjack's point, someone said it..... and he makes a valid observation that the crew has no reason to interject the word American. Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency"but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #45413 December 27, 2013 georger *********"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. The fact is, it is in the transcript so somebody said it or added it, either the hijacker or the crew, if they all are presumed American, why would somebody, anybody add it to the narrative.. I AM NOT SUFGGESTING THAT THE HIJACKER SAID IT AS FACT... .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #45414 December 27, 2013 smokin99 ************"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. It's all supposition, of course, but to Flyjack's point, someone said it..... and he makes a valid observation that the crew has no reason to interject the word American. Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" Well it is a good thing someone asked for negotiable or negotiable american currency. It would have made the jump more difficult with $200,000 worth of gold bars.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45415 December 27, 2013 smokin99************"negotiable American currency",, Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency"*** His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! US currency is/was a universal medium of exchange. It's all subjective in any event. My perspective on this is coloured due to the fact there are other things he definitely 'said and did' which are in the official record which have NOT been released to the public, or ever seen the light of day on any internet forum including this one, or ever published in anyone's book including Gray's, are not on Tom Kaye's website or anywhere is his teams work etc. .. which make "negotiable US currency' subjective and probably irrelevant, in any event. All things in good time ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #45416 December 27, 2013 EVickiW ***************"negotiable American currency",, Only a foreigner would use that phrase.. Either this came from the hijacker or it didn't, when I was at the Museum symposium, Bruce was adamant that it didn't come from the hijacker,,, this is also problematic.. We know that everyone else was American, and no American would use that phrase, so it is even more difficult to explain the injection of that phrase into the narrative excluding the hijacker. Some crazy thoughts, Is it possible that the stewardess knew the hijacker OR subconsciously sensed that he was foreign causing the use of the phrase, "negotiable American currency"? Northwest Orient Airline did fly some International routes, did the stewardess stay on domestic flights or travel internationally.. did she have experience with foreign passengers? Did anyone else hear the hijacker speak? from Kaye "the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent" ... Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care. It's all supposition, of course, but to Flyjack's point, someone said it..... and he makes a valid observation that the crew has no reason to interject the word American. Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" Well it is a good thing someone asked for negotiable or negotiable american currency. It would have made the jump more difficult with $200,000 worth of gold bars. or printing presses...in case they thought he wanted to make his own. Which brings me to mention something else that has been discussed on here before - that another person might ask for negotiable (as in real and not counterfeit) currency. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #45417 December 27, 2013 georger ***************"negotiable American currency",, Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! Yes, you make a very good point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock And if he was going to Mexico, he might have wished they had. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #45418 December 27, 2013 Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! Yes, you make a very good point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock And if he was going to Mexico, he might have wished they had. Quote G replies somehow! - - - - - Page format got screwed up somehow so I will repost this again: Quote: His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! US currency is/was a universal medium of exchange. It's all subjective in any event. My perspective on this is coloured due to the fact there are other things he definitely 'said and did' which are in the official record which have NOT been released to the public, or ever seen the light of day on any internet forum including this one, or ever published in anyone's book including Gray's, are not on Tom Kaye's website or anywhere is his teams work etc. .. which make "negotiable US currency' subjective and probably irrelevant, in any event. What is clear from the larger record is 'there was a dialogue going on, between Cooper and the crew, with Tina and Flo as mediaries, and there were things said and orders given which the socalled Transcript (for example) and crew notes thus far presented, does not include. That is just a fact - and all of this should have been available to Larry if he had access to all of the records. It's been quite obvious to me for years, neither Kaye or Gray were appraised of these facts or have seen enough of the full record to know this ... it is important to remember, the FBI was playing one role. Others and other agencies were playing other roles. Just as there was a process out of which the FBI eventually had a search map (and later a flight map), to work with ... the FBI was not always the primary (or first) recipient of real-time information ... and often brought up the rear. Working this hijacking was a cooperative process vs something only the FBI was doing and on top of, at all times. That is the factual historical record of this hijacking. edit: page is not cooperating, sorry I guess. Have things to do ... later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #45419 December 27, 2013 Well, okay then. When you guys that have all of the really cool stuff that the rest of us minions cannot access solve the case, please let us know. But until then or until such time as we are all privy to the insider information, we Cooper zombies are stuck with useless crap like transcripts and crew notes and other drivel that has been leaked, disseminated, written and sang about. So you'll just have to bear with us. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #45420 December 27, 2013 georger it is important to remember, the FBI was playing one role. Others and other agencies were playing other roles. Just as there was a process out of which the FBI eventually had a search map (and later a flight map), to work with ... the FBI was not always the primary (or first) recipient of real-time information ... and often brought up the rear. Working this hijacking was a cooperative process vs something only the FBI was doing and on top of, at all times. . Yes I realize that. But from what I've been told...rumor only.... Northwest/Delta is not playing and the FAA has been non-responsive to FOIA requests. So at the moment the rest of us are stuck with what we have. But I would love to know what you know...so anytime you are ready to share, I am all ears. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #45421 December 27, 2013 georger Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! Yes, you make a very good point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock And if he was going to Mexico, he might have wished they had. Quote G replies somehow! - - - - - Page format got screwed up somehow so I will repost this again: Quote: His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! US currency is/was a universal medium of exchange. It's all subjective in any event. My perspective on this is coloured due to the fact there are other things he definitely 'said and did' which are in the official record which have NOT been released to the public, or ever seen the light of day on any internet forum including this one, or ever published in anyone's book including Gray's, are not on Tom Kaye's website or anywhere is his teams work etc. .. which make "negotiable US currency' subjective and probably irrelevant, in any event. What is clear from the larger record is 'there was a dialogue going on, between Cooper and the crew, with Tina and Flo as mediaries, and there were things said and orders given which the socalled Transcript (for example) and crew notes thus far presented, does not include. That is just a fact - and all of this should have been available to Larry if he had access to all of the records. It's been quite obvious to me for years, neither Kaye or Gray were appraised of these facts or have seen enough of the full record to know this ... it is important to remember, the FBI was playing one role. Others and other agencies were playing other roles. Just as there was a process out of which the FBI eventually had a search map (and later a flight map), to work with ... the FBI was not always the primary (or first) recipient of real-time information ... and often brought up the rear. Working this hijacking was a cooperative process vs something only the FBI was doing and on top of, at all times. That is the factual historical record of this hijacking. edit: page is not cooperating, sorry I guess. Have things to do ... later. I knew something didn't jive here, either the hijacker said American/US or he didn't if not, then somebody else added it... WHO and WHY, some IMPORTANT piece of info is missing or the hijacker did say it... It is fishy,,, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #45422 December 28, 2013 AD NUMBER: 2013-24-15 PRODUCT: All Boeing Model 727 airplanes. SUBJECT: Airworthiness Directive 2013-24-15 ACTION: Final Rule SUMMARY: The FAA is superseding Airworthiness Directive (AD) 2007-11-08 for the product listed above. AD 2007-11-08 required repetitive inspections of the in-tank fuel boost pump wiring, installation of sleeving over the in-tank fuel boost pump wires, repetitive inspections of a certain electrical wire, sleeve, and conduit, and applicable investigative and corrective actions; and repetitive engine fuel suction feed operational tests. This new AD also requires replacement of the wire bundles for the wing and center fuel boost pumps, installation of convoluted liners, and related investigative and corrective actions if necessary. This new AD also requires replacement of the fuel quantity indicating system (FQIS) wires, a low-frequency eddy current inspection for cracking, and repair if necessary. This new AD also requires revising the maintenance program to incorporate changes to the airworthiness limitations section. This AD was prompted by a report of damage found to the sleeve, jacket, and insulation on an electrical wire during a repetitive inspection. The FAA is issuing this AD to prevent chafing of the fuel boost pump electrical wiring and leakage of fuel into the conduit, and to prevent electrical arcing between the wiring and the surrounding conduit, which could result in arc-through of the conduit, and consequent fire or explosion of the fuel tank. [Original AD was in 2007] DATES: This AD is effective January 8, 2014. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #45423 December 28, 2013 377 AD NUMBER: 2013-24-15 PRODUCT: All Boeing Model 727 airplanes. SUBJECT: Airworthiness Directive 2013-24-15 ACTION: Final Rule SUMMARY: The FAA is superseding Airworthiness Directive (AD) 2007-11-08 for the product listed above. AD 2007-11-08 required repetitive inspections of the in-tank fuel boost pump wiring, installation of sleeving over the in-tank fuel boost pump wires, repetitive inspections of a certain electrical wire, sleeve, and conduit, and applicable investigative and corrective actions; and repetitive engine fuel suction feed operational tests. This new AD also requires replacement of the wire bundles for the wing and center fuel boost pumps, installation of convoluted liners, and related investigative and corrective actions if necessary. This new AD also requires replacement of the fuel quantity indicating system (FQIS) wires, a low-frequency eddy current inspection for cracking, and repair if necessary. This new AD also requires revising the maintenance program to incorporate changes to the airworthiness limitations section. This AD was prompted by a report of damage found to the sleeve, jacket, and insulation on an electrical wire during a repetitive inspection. The FAA is issuing this AD to prevent chafing of the fuel boost pump electrical wiring and leakage of fuel into the conduit, and to prevent electrical arcing between the wiring and the surrounding conduit, which could result in arc-through of the conduit, and consequent fire or explosion of the fuel tank. [Original AD was in 2007] DATES: This AD is effective January 8, 2014. 377 The possibility of these hazards was brought to light by the TWA Flight 800 Boeing 747 that did go kaboom off Long Island a number of years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #45424 December 28, 2013 smokin99 Well, okay then. When you guys that have all of the really cool stuff that the rest of us minions cannot access solve the case, please let us know. But until then or until such time as we are all privy to the insider information, we Cooper zombies are stuck with useless crap like transcripts and crew notes and other drivel that has been leaked, disseminated, written and sang about. So you'll just have to bear with us. Smokin, keep the faith a bit longer. Don't give up just yet. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #45425 December 28, 2013 RobertMBlevins . Keeping your entire history and identity a secret has one big drawback...you could just be some really smart sixth-grader from Kankakee, Illinois as far as anyone is concerned. Why should anyone consider you a 'Cooper Researcher' or 'Expert' when you don't even establish the slightest background on yourself? You don't see Tom Kaye doing that. You are at a definite disadvantage in your dealings with others on the internet. You might be a serious researcher, but you just aren't taken as seriously. And it's much easier to snipe at others when you can hide behind a rock... Skyjack is Bulljax! I had someone at the University look at the postings and the private emails I have from the other party. THEY are probably one and the same or his alter egos who cooked this scam up. Bull claimed there was 2 others - One in Law enforcement and he never said what the other one was. Supposedly they dropped out & he was continueing on his own. Since I was not swallowing the crap - now he is intent on destroying his opponent. The terminologies and the style of his postings are too similar to those of Bull. AS I was told - he evolved his story thur my phone conversations and emails and now has recreated himself with another personality...but it is believe both are the same person. This is all a mind game to him...he does not care if he destroys the work of others or disputes facts. He who hides behind a rock - is a coward or someone who has been exposed. Excuse me for borrowing a little of your wording Blevins, but that was one Damn good observation.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
