DB Cooper

[georger 244]

Guru312

***Keep it civil or it's all going to be trashed.

Let's be civil when we discuss this topic I'm bringing to the thread...

You may see the name jeannie McCombs toward the top of the History and Trivia forum. A very famous and revered name in our sport. jeanne died in the 70s and I never had the pleasure of meeting her.

I bring the above into this thread because I spent a few minutes reading about her. She was very well-known during the time I owned dropzones.

I ended up reading something dear to all of your hearts. Here is what I found:

"In 1981, I worked on the movie "Pursuit of D.B. Cooper." I doubled Treat Williams for the skydiving scene. I, and four other stunt doubles, jumped from a 727 over a town named "Groveland" just east of Yosemite, CA. We each made two jumps from the 727 from 8,000 feet. I have no doubt D.B. Cooper made it. Several of us "old timers" in the sport believe we know D.B. Cooper's true identity."

You can read the thread here: http://www.ffcars.com/...kydiving-dc-9-a.html

The beauty of the Internet.

Don't stop reading after just the quote I'm providing read all of the material within the thread.

====
Note regarding an edit to the above: When I first posted this, the URL linking function gave me a 404 error. In the event that you have problems also here is the full URL without the DZ.com truncation that the URL function creates which you can copy/paste. If the link doesn't work from within the posting copy and paste the below URL into your browser.

http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html

interesting! thank you thank you..... Im always interested when 'you guys' come up with a candidate.

your url http://www.ffcars.com/...kydiving-dc-9-a.html
doesnt seem to work ...

This below does work:
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html

Did the FBI look at this guy?

[mrshutter45 21]

377

Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 244]

mrshutter45

***Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ? Here's Guru's link again:

http://www.ffcars.com/forums/43-off-topic-discussions/208021-skydiving-dc-9-a.html

[mrshutter45 21]

georger

******Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ?

Possible, 377 will let us know...I always thought that term was better fit for a release from prison

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 244]

mrshutter45

*********Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ?

Possible, 377 will let us know...I always thought that term was better fit for a release from prison

we need more/better photos!

later ....

[377 22]

georger

******Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ?

I checked disbarred too in CA Bar records, nothing.

To practice law in CA he'd need to be a state bar member. You can appear in court in CA if you are licensed in another state but you have to get the court's and the CA State Bar's permission, pay a petition fee and the granting of the petition is just good for the one case in which it was filed.
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ProHacVice.aspx

No way to operate a legal practice based here without being a bar member in good standing.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 21]

377

*********Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ?

I checked disbarred too in CA Bar records, nothing.

To practice law in CA he'd need to be a state bar member. You can appear in court in CA if you are licensed in another state but you have to get the court's and the CA State Bar's permission, pay a petition fee and the granting of the petition is just good for the one case in which it was filed.
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ProHacVice.aspx

No way to operate a legal practice based here without being a bar member in good standing.

377


not finding much out about him. I'm wondering if he is still declared missing? nothing matching on death index. time to send up smokin99 signals

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[377 22]

Hmmm... and I have been unable (so far) to find any record of the Beech 18 CA to HI ferry flight disappearance. It must have been mentioned in the CA newspapers and also the subject of an (NTSB? FAA?) accident report. USCG search too I'll bet.

Commissioner, light up the searchlight. This is a job for Snowmman.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[EVickiW 0]

377

Hmmm... and I have been unable (so far) to find any record of the Beech 18 CA to HI ferry flight disappearance. It must have been mentioned in the CA newspapers and also the subject of an (NTSB? FAA?) accident report. USCG search too I'll bet.

Commissioner, light up the searchlight. This is a job for Snowmman.

377

Deja vu?

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3990750#3990750

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[smokin99 0]

mrshutter45

not finding much out about him. I'm wondering if he is still declared missing? nothing matching on death index. time to send up smokin99 signals

Haven't found anything about being a lawyer, but I think he might have been Robert "Norton" Thomas.

Quote

US team "Know-Sense Team" from Antioch, CA introduced the new technique of docking from below. That made it possible to increase the size of the formation. Quite soon the first 8-stack was done. In Livermore, CA those jumpers kept a record weekend. The fourth attempt, on October the 23rd, was successful and the first 8-stack was completed.

http://www.skydivehame.com/cf/1977

Quote

The whole thing got started because Norton and Haley used to chase each other under their early Strato Stars; they'd try to catch the other guys pilot chute and collapse his main, just to scare the crap out of him. It reminded them of that game U-control model airplane pilots engage in where they stand back to back and try to chew a ribbon off the other guys tail with their prop; that's called "combat" flying; and CRW was originally called Combat Relative Work. Somewhere along the line, they realized they could grab the other guys chute and link them together; and that's where the practice of stacking parachutes began. To legitimize it, they changed CRW to Canopy Relative Work. Pope Valley Dropzone owner Bill Dause said "You guys aint got no sense." And in rebuttal, that's where the name of the "Know Sense" parachute team came from; because Haley said "To do CRW, you've got to KNOW and SENSE." At first, you were considered absolutely insane if you tried to link chutes with someone else; now, people all over the World are enjoying it. ;-)

http://www.psubs.org/mlist/archive/0002/msg00243.html

And then there's this:

Quote

Norton got killed flying a Piper Navajo to Hawaii with Bob Grantham in 1982. Last I heard, Steve still has Norton's orange and black (Harley colors) Strato Star. Norton was an Oakland Hells Angel. When Sonny Barger got out of prison Norton brought him to Antioch; he made two jumps under round T-10's and made it to the pea gravel both times.

http://vintagescuba.proboards.com/thread/3184/vulcanium-published?page=1&scrollTo=23765

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[smokin99 0]

There is a NTSB report if this is the same guy. Says pilot was 45 in 1982, but there were two people in the plane. Not sure yet though if this was the plane or if he was the pilot.


Looks like the Steve Haley referred to might be on dropzone....He might be a source of info if you wanted Norton's age, etc.

http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/Have_Haleys_chute%3B_Looking_for_Nortons._P1085617/

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

smokin99

There is a NTSB report if this is the same guy. Says pilot was 45 in 1982, but there were two people in the plane. Not sure yet though if this was the plane or if he was the pilot.


Looks like the Steve Haley referred to might be on dropzone....He might be a source of info if you wanted Norton's age, etc.

http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/Have_Haleys_chute%3B_Looking_for_Nortons._P1085617/

nice. I was looking in the 1985 range. this would make him 34 in 71. if this was him, perhaps he started looking like Cooper past 1971 lol. the way they were talking about him seems like they concluded this, and not by his admission?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

Yes, I have read that article. I did NOT use that article - only my memory and the notes I have. I have several inches of articles in folders. There are OTHER articles very similar to that one. I don't have them saved, just printed and in folders - there is an entire suitcase filled with nothing but research material.

Definitely I remember things if they parallel things Duane told me. There is a lot in that article, but written in 2003. If you want you are welcome to go thur the suit case of articles in a very large suit case. I retain what is important to me and things that paralled things Duane told me.

There are things in that article that are not accurate per other articles. Seems as though the writers time sequences are off..

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[smokin99 0]

Edited: I read it again and looks like he's probably not in these linked pics.....One post though says that they have posted photos of him and Jeanni McCombs and to search photos for him. I did a quick one just on Norton and did not get any hits. Well actually I did but it was like 20,000 - which at this point in time is as good as zero. lol..

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4116700#4116700

Okay - found two pics but one is the you've already posted and the other looks like the same plane and same moustache, but he's got one of those leather helmets on.
I don't know the time frame of your picture but so far I'm not seeing the resemblance to the composite.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[georger 244]

RobertMBlevins

After nearly two weeks, and no return from the USPS, I have to assume our little envelope probably reached Bill Mitchell. I told him in the cover letter that we didn't know whether KC was Cooper or anything, but could he take a look at the photos, etc.

I didn't mention it in the cover letter, but I wondered about this particular statement he made to WSHM. (I still think museum guys don't make the best interviewers. In this part of Mitchell's statement, they should have slowed down with him and tried specific question points. That's an opinion. When you start hearing things on a suspect you haven't seen in the official reports or newspaper accounts, it's important to pin down the witness better. )

Quote

"I said I remember…to the FBI I said that, you know, his hair could easily have been dyed or a toupee or something. ‘Cause I mean it looked awful."

Whiting: “Was the color unnatural in a way?”

Bill Mitchell: “No. It was all solid dark. You know, I mean it was all, there was no grey, there was no, I mean it was all solid and well groomed."

Robert comments: If the hijacker was in his mid-40's it is unlikely the hijacker would be completely without grey hair unless the hair was not real, or it was dyed. I also wondered why Mitchell uses the phrases 'well groomed' and 'it looked awful' in the same description. A follow-up question was called for here. How can someone's hair be 'solid and well groomed' and 'look awful' at the same time?

I'm going to prepare an additional, much more comprehensive package for Mr. Mitchell. This will include larger photographs, an updated, edited version of the KC Report pdf, and some other items. This time I will also request an in-person interview, or if this is not agreeable to him, another phone interview and I will ask if I can record it.

Put in an FOI with WSHM and Bill Mitchell ?

It might take several years?

[smokin99 0]

RobertMBlevins

..... I also wondered why Mitchell uses the phrases 'well groomed' and 'it looked awful' in the same description. A follow-up question was called for here. How can someone's hair be 'solid and well groomed' and 'look awful' at the same time?

lol...I've seen lots of solid well-groomed hair styles that looked awful.
AS a matter of fact, I myself sported one about 6 months ago and saw it every day til it finally grew out.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[skyjack71 0]

377

Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

I checked Norton Thomas and Robert Norton Thomas which was reportedly his real name.

377

Try finding his family - like a brother who was about 10 yrs older. Bill Thomas or Wiliam Thomas. Common name - but look in Georgia and then in Chicago. Was the owner of an insurance company in Ga who sold insurance to FBI and other - Goverment Employees. Seems like Bill Thomas signed off ON a lot of false infomation regarding Weber and his employment.

Remember that Oakdale was the locations several thousands of dollars in 20's (not cooper 20's) was scattered over the back and in the contained areas of an apartment building. In the EAST we never learned the source of this money or who tossed it.

Oakdale - near Modesto is a place that Duane and his exwife lived for a short period of time.

All I have to contribute to this conversation....

You might check and see if the OLD woman's memory is really out of WHACK!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[smokin99 0]

skyjack71

***Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

I checked Norton Thomas and Robert Norton Thomas which was reportedly his real name.

377

Try finding his family - like a brother who was about 10 yrs older. Bill Thomas or Wiliam Thomas. Common name - but look in Georgia and then in Chicago. Was the owner of an insurance company in Ga who sold insurance to FBI and other - Goverment Employees. Seems like Bill Thomas signed off ON a lot of false infomation regarding Weber and his employment.

Remember that Oakdale was the locations several thousands of dollars in 20's (not cooper 20's) was scattered over the back and in the contained areas of an apartment building. In the EAST we never learned the source of this money or who tossed it.

Oakdale - near Modesto is a place that Duane and his exwife lived for a short period of time.

All I have to contribute to this conversation....

You might check and see if the OLD woman's memory is really out of WHACK!

I'm thinking he probably had nothing to do with Duane. I'd like to find a 70s picture of him though.

Right now - if anything that we've found (or not found in regards to being attorney) means anything........

Beech vs Piper, attorney vs Hell's angel (yeah I get that he could be both), disappeared vs "seemingly" obvious crash, the picture we have vs he looked just like the composite in 71.

I don't know....I could very well be wrong, but I wonder...either urban legend or someone just got their stories about the good ol days mixed up.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[georger 244]

377

*********Skydivers who knew him said Norton Thomas was a lawyer and represented motorcycle gangs and members.

Oddly I can find no listing of him in the State Bar of California membership records and the list includes deceased CA attorneys. Basically if you were ever a CA bar member you are in the list.

377

strange. could he operate from another state license wise?

maybe he got disbarred ?

I checked disbarred too in CA Bar records, nothing.

To practice law in CA he'd need to be a state bar member. You can appear in court in CA if you are licensed in another state but you have to get the court's and the CA State Bar's permission, pay a petition fee and the granting of the petition is just good for the one case in which it was filed.
http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements/ProHacVice.aspx

No way to operate a legal practice based here without being a bar member in good standing.

377

Cooper said he had a 'grudge' ... not against NWA.

What grudge would Thomas have had? 'Crazy' or 'reckless-
adventurous, does not add up to a grudge ?

Have we had this conversation before?

[skyjack71 0]

NOT a GOOD idea AT all!

If you or anyone of us showed up on his door - it is the WRONG thing to do.
We all know about Bruce's tactics and your interviews...are always tainted.

Why don't you send him a letter (which I think you have the wrong information on). If you have the right Mitchell he would probably NOT respond - as I am sure he likes his privacy.

Wrong WAY Robert. I have spoke to Mitchell in the past - he is a nice guy but anyone showing up on his door will end up causing HIM to take the same direct Tina took. It was 42 yrs ago. They have a life! They are tired of Cooper being a part of who they are.

Their home is their privacy - do NOT invade it. You will cut OFF the only source the FBI still shows pictures to.
As Eng if they have shown the pictures to Bill. They do see the media reports and have knowledge of the books out there - if they thought KC was Cooper they would already have contacted the FBI.

KC was NOT even a Maybe because of the physical description.

My next post just might be my last one for awhile!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

I was caught up in the postings and went to an old file hoping beyond all HOPE that maybe Thomas had a member of his family who worked for him. Well, I have the names with another company, but not the names of the ones who Worked for Mr. Thomas.

OLD records I have NOT had a reason to look at for several yrs.
I stumble into something!

Remember the BRR I kept throwing out every once in awhile - like a poke in the ribs for about 3 yrs. An old legal instrument with BRR on it in a place that seemed illogical because of the orientation of the instrument.

The authorities would NOT help, but after several yrs my guy was given the name that went with the clue - did NOT mean a thing to me!

Remember I keep lots and lots of things in my head but, they are written down on little notes that do NOT mean beans to me yrs later.

Going to these first volumes I put together AFTER I returned from WA in 2001 with the documentary crew. I found some information regarding a BR...old stuff and the name given to me in 2001 at The Tavern.

Dollars Corner Tavern in 2001:

One of the long time guys there had suggested I find a certain guy and I wrote his name down. We tried to find the guy, but NO luck so we thought perhaps the guys at the Tavern were sending us on a wild GOOSE chase. That was 2001.

When I returned home - I did some searches regarding the name he had given me in 2001.
I made lots of phone calls, but a common name and a dead end.

3 yrs ago - I was contacted by a man who had done several interviews for me regarding other things & this is when he found a legal conveyance with BRR. I couldn't tell him what it meant. He finally found out the name that went with the BRR and it still didn't mean CRAP to me...this was just a few months ago.

Tonight just trying to help you guys with some information about the name Thomas - I pulled out a sheet of paper I had written names down on in 2001 after I got back from WA and my notes I made while with the crew and my phone calls regarding that BR

The BR given to me in 2001. It literally umped out of the files and smacked me in the face.

I called my guy to see if he wants to chase this & is make sure it is connected to the dame BRR he found. A young man only came by the BRR from a relative who had passed away. We did NOT tell the man it had anything at all to do with Cooper...we didn't want to spook him. Just an enquiry about the item.

Dumb me forgot about BR in 2001
and the when BRR came up - I did NOT connect the 2 things.

In those old files and maybe forever buried within my brain was the BR. The man the guy in the tavern told us about in 2001 - but all I had was a first name and a last name - very common names. Then I filed it and let it go 13 yrs ago

I have quizzed you guys for a while about the BRR. I gave up! So did MY guy! It was just an ODD co-incidence. BUT I did NOT remember the BR from The Dollar Corner.

I had forgot about the name the man at the Tavern gave me - it was just BR - BR and BRR are connected --- it was right there with all of the numbers and the name I tried to contact. The man died in 1996...

ODD again Duane died in 1995...this BR was only 7 yrs older than Duane.

Old men and old trailers and old tales and old songs and old taverns just seem to go on and on.

Will this prove Duane was Cooper - well the man was local and he was a jumper and now we can prove a connection between him and Duane.

Does this prove Weber was Cooper? NO, but it sure opens up some old stories - Who will remember this BR from so long ago and his friend who sang song there for his drinks.


FACE it the CORNER tavern WAS in the FLIGHT path. In 2001 it was not even heavily populated at that time - in 2010 I couldn't even find the building it had been torn down and there was NEW development all over.

Take a 1971 map and look at it real GOOD! The parallel power lines and the VOR - The corner Tavern was in between them. Betcha this guy had some pretty good communication skills from what I know about him and the kind of work he did! YEA! I do know that much!

NO one WILL ever believe the truths and how simple the truth was. He was older than Duane by about 7 yrs.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

RobertMBlevins

I may or may not pay him a visit. Jo's protests fall on deaf ears. Reporters, as well as writers, do cold-calls all the time. tell the FBI that so they start looking at employees right away..

Jo STATES!

This IS NOT AN ACTIVE CASE & it is RUDE TO GO FACE TO FACE WITH THEM AND INVADE THEIR PRIVACY and you LIKE BRUCE WILL blabble all over the news - things that did NOT transpire.

THESE GUYS have had enough of this! if YOU think YOU HAVE THE ADDRESS RIGHT then mail him a package - Want to wager a bet - all packages are sent to the FBI unless they know the sender!

You MAY not have the correct location - he may just NOT acknowledge the package....It is my opinion they are instructed to ignore the packages by the FBI.

I sent the one to FLORENCE postage paid and with return postage included. I never got it back - so that was that - I LET IT GO!

A return would be an admission that she recieved the package - otherwise the sender gets the message - as I did. I never tried to send anything again. I expect they ALL handle these things the same way! Per FBI instructions.

WHY didn't you go to the museum when he spoke? DUH! If he didn't speak in person - WHY didn't you leave a package for him there with a self addressed card. THEY are NOT going to do anything to acknowledge their location! WHY should they!

Belvins KC has never ever been considered because the eyea are too light and he is too short! I felt Vicky needed answers - and did what I did because he disappeared during the right frame time.

He has NOT answered VICKIE's plea. I felt this young lady needed answers regarding her father! Do - YOU REALLY think HE IS going to GIVE a WRITER the time of DAY! Especially one who shows up on his door!

Evidentally he took a second look at Weber because the ears was his only problem with Weber in 2001.
The EARS were still a problem!

IT has been 42 FRICKING yrs - it is going to take MORE than a WITNESS ID. Don't you get it!
Even if he recognized Cooper on the street - he couldn't say a damn word. There is only ONE thing that is going to solve the CASE - one of the $20's or the airplane ticket! A witness ID will NOT solve the case!

If someone found a 20 or a few 20's inside of an old head light or in Van they bought or in the spare tire - it is just pocketed - NO ONE THINKS About $20's...

If the FBI is looking for a specific Clue, I for one sure as HELL say MAKE it public and get it over with.
After 43 YRS who is going to remember anyway!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

RobertMBlevins

..... I also wondered ....... did.


Blevination-Bloviation snipped in total - - - - -

Huh!? I didn't address and wasn't addressing, you or your
issues, Nimrod. I didnt say one word about Bill Mitchell -
WTF are you yammering about? Go fly a kite!

[georger 244]

RobertMBlevins

******..... I also wondered ....... did.


Blevination-Bloviation snipped in total - - - - -

Huh!? I didn't address and wasn't addressing, you or your
issues, Nimrod. I didnt say one word about Bill Mitchell -

I DID NOT POST TO YOU - OR ABOUT YOU!

KAYEN YOOOOO REEEEEEEED!?


WTF are you yammering about?

Go fly a kite!

And don't tell me what I'm thinking or intending when I write
something - to SOMEONE ELSE!

GET A LIFE BLEVINS!

Mind your own business for a change! ?????

Some people dont have ANY manners!



ps: NEWSFLASH FOR BLEVINS! via "ONLINE" -

quote: - A pest control company in Sochi says it has a contract
to exterminate dogs throughout the Olympics.

*Warning: May Have Anger Management Issues*

I'm sorry about the dogs in Sochi. Sounds like they need a visit from PAWS or the SPCA. I personally support the latter.

I will also drop a little hint on you. Although I'm not a snitch, if you end up getting perma-banned you have no one to blame but yourself. And it is NOT my wish you be banned. Believe it or not, I think you can be a positive contributor. Lately those contributions are few and far between and mostly consist of nonsensical, Alice-in-Wonderland posts. Toss in a few insults and borderline name-calling along the way.

But if you do get banned...check the bathroom mirror for the guy to blame for it.

Think.
EDIT: For everyone else...THIS is actually my fave tune from the Blues Brothers film, not that anyone cares. If someone offered me a job just playing that song all the time for pay...I would take it LOL. Old school here. (*raises hand*)

I'm glad you allow me and others to be here, at your
website.

Thanks for your charity to all of your inferiors on Earth.

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

"I said I remember…to the FBI I said that, you know, his hair could easily have been dyed or a toupee or something. ‘Cause I mean it looked awful."

Whiting: “Was the color unnatural in a way?”

Bill Mitchell: “No. It was all solid dark. You know, I mean it was all, there was no grey, there was no, I mean it was all solid and well groomed."

Robert LET me try to explain to you what a 20 yr old was trying to say regarding the hair in 1971.

More than likely Cooper had dyed his hair...he probably did it himself and it might have been one of those temporary dyes.

Dyed hair in 1971 had a problem of NOT looking natural unless professionally done.

It was NOV, but if he had been to FL and had gotten a lot of sun - his hair would have been dried out. Obviously he had a natural curl he was trying to disquise and that is a problem.

Maybe when he boarded the plane with all of the product I expect he used on his hair - DYE and some GREASY stuff like VO5....looked artificial to a young college student.
With curly hair, the humidty causes it to start to look THICKER and some frizz causing it to start to look unkemp as he sat in that plane and the humidity started to climb.

Growin his hair out was part of his disquise - or so he hoped. Most pictures of Weber pre 1971 showed him with short hair - so I venture he tried to make it look long and dark.
His mug shot showed short tight wavey hair). Frankly I had never see Duane's hair as kinky as it was in that Jefferson photo. I knew it to be curly when subjected to humidity (just curls) not kinks. I saw a part of Weber in the JEFFERSON pic I had never seen before.

It was easy to see the marcelled look.

Hair changes with conditions and as we age. What was easy to manage slightly curly hair becomes a combinations of straight and kinky and unmanageable. The products available in 1971 were very poor.

You have a 20 yr old remarking about a man in his 40's - dye and V'O hair that is trying to curl in damp weather making it "grow" look fulle /marcelled.
r. THAT was ODD to the young man...who had a typical college boy look himself and as my husband and my father kept their hair natural -
I considered the look sleazy...in 1971.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber