DB Cooper

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Carolyn Powell was not living with Christiansen when he purchased his house. Her 'attempted murder' allegation refers to her ex-husband Robin's assault on his own mother. She called it 'attempted murder,' the cops say assault. Six of one, a half dozen of the other. Robin also put Carolyn into the hospital more than once.

Robert, those are false claims, you can't put words into her mouth about what she has said. assault, and attempted murder are two different things Robert. it doesn't matter if she was living with him or not. she claims in your report that Kenny purchased his house for cash. you can't dodge around what she said Robert. it's clearly reported as so. she also claims a purchase of cash for the "adjoining lot".

They charged Robin several times with different degrees of assault. nothing about attempted murder. she has exaggerated the story. I'm sorry that happened to her, but they charged him with assault only!

6) She testified that Christiansen not only purchased the house in Bonney Lake and the adjoining lot for
cash, but also a large wooded lot behind what is now the Bonney Lake Safeway. Tyner added that
Christiansen told her he bought this wooded lot after he bought the house.

how sure are you of the lot behind the safeway? did you look at all the records?

7) After Christiansen’s death, she and her husband received the house, but sold it shortly after probate
cleared. They then moved to Nevada, and Carolyn divorced him. She also stated that her ex-husband
Robin Powell was once charged with attempted murder on his own mother, and when he drinks he
sometimes becomes violent. ‘He put me into the hospital more than once,’ she says.

That is clearly exaggerated statements......and false ones at that! records indicate they owned the house until I believe 1999. I'll have to check the records again. you are stating they flipped the house.

you have a bunch of deceptive, criminal, and violent people you are trying to back up here. do you realize this? you can't trust what this clan is stating. the FBI seems to agree as well.

you have to be charged with attempted murder in order to state it as a fact!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Beep, Beep, Beep.....sound of backing up

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

so, she doesn't know much about kenny, but has all the information of his finances? do you see how the truth slowly pops out Robert. we now go from didn't know much about Kenny, to trying to prove Kenny was Cooper based on verified witness testimony as you state it? she also claims two other lots Robert.

did you tell the FBI this in your report? that's a huge hole in your theory Bobby. the witnesses are falling apart one by one. last time I checked, she TESTIFIED to these statements.

I don't think the main point was anything but Kenny's finances.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Robert, I don't have a problem what so ever in looking for truth. when you try and deny it, or cover it up. that becomes a problem. when you don't want to look at other possible options you then fail in finding any truth. we have many options here Robert that lead to possible reasons. you keep them out for an obvious reason. that is the main problem people have with you.

I'm not picking on Carolyn, I'm picking apart her story! that's how it's done, and that's how it was now finally revealed about Carolyn's testimony. it's not truthful, believable, accurate, honest, take your pick. basically we can strike her out on anything of value. I just don't believe the story Robert.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

Separate Question: If there's no 'official' flight path map, then why does Sluggo have those maps on his site? And why does the FBI show the same thing at THEIR website?

Blevins, Do you believe everything that shows up in the FBI's "vault" web site is considered "official" by the FBI?

If you had visited the FBI's Cooper site you would probably realize that most of that information is not even considered "official" by the FBI - did you notice any newspaper clippings? - and is certainly not part of the "official" FBI Cooper file.

Reportedly, about 1000 people have now either "confessed" to being Cooper or other people have claimed that they are or could have been Cooper. Does the simple fact that their names may be in the FBI files make them "official" Cooper suspects?

Robert99

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Robert,

Has Tom Kaye actually said the he believes that "human intervention" was involved in the Tena Bar money? I have never seen that quote, and would like to.

What year did you meet with Gray and FBI detective Furiman?

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

[mrshutter45 21]

Robert, of course people are going to check on it. some will read and take it as face value, but that's not the issue. the issue is having a report accurate as possible. we have spent months trying to convince of this. you want to try and prove KC was Cooper, I don't have a problem with that.

we all would like to find out who Cooper really was, or possibly is.that's the bottom line to any forum out there. I don't run people in the ground claiming to have another option to the case. I let them present there story, and go from there. I'll admit I'm curious as to what Rataczak will say this time. the path is an important part of the whole Cooper story. surely you can't believe that in today's world a Boeing 777 could simply disappear could ya? so how is it they could track a 727 with accuracy in 1971? now, granted they were on top of what occurred with 305 vs flight 370, but it gives reason that we are not as perfect as we claim. human error is the number one factor here. they are claiming different things about the path. Carr admits it's the best known flight path, never stating this is exactly where they were at any given time. so, just as any other part of the Cooper story, we don't have any real validation claiming exactly where the plane was when Cooper jumped.

I can tell you this after flying it over, and over on the simulator. you can basically move the path to the east and still get the same results by moving at the point of passing Toledo, or the 7:59 mark. basically I can conclude, so far, the path is flyable in the time frame reported. is this solid proof, nope, but it's a stepping stone into validating something. I take offense when people claim I'm trying to move the path. I'm trying to resolve the path, justify it, prove it right, or possibly wrong. try flying a 727 by yourself, it's not easy. even on the simulator. the sim is extremely accurate in altitudes, speeds, and even has just about every road in it. I can drive a car to my house using it. the functions on the plane all work. that's why it's hard for me, no co-pilot, or navigator, just old shutter sitting in a homemade cockpit trying to put a little truth in this mess.

ask Mark Bennett, he found out quickly it's not easy to jump in and fly a plane. sadly I'm still seeing debris on the ground as a constant reminder of his skills sorry Mark, had to say it

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

***Robert,

Has Tom Kaye actually said the he believes that "human intervention" was involved in the Tena Bar money? I have never seen that quote, and would like to.

What year did you meet with Gray and FBI detective Furiman?

Kaye: See pages 255-256 of Skyjack. What he actually says is 'the money did not float down the river' and that it arrived by 'nonnatural means'. When questioned further, he says 'People - if there's one story the money tells us, it's that.'

Gray and Fuhriman: Third Place Books, Seattle. August 2010.

I asked Tom Kaye one time about that quote from Skyjack regarding the Tina Bar money. He said this: (quoted in its entirety with permission)

Quote

'Hi Robert,

Well nothing we came up regarding the bill stack was CONCLUSIVE so let me state that right off the bat. The money we examined was sort of adhered to the other bills in the stack and when they were separated, in some places a stack of bill chunks came with the single bill. You could see that the bills were all lined up one below the other when they were buried. The float tests we did showed that the money fanned out within minutes of becoming soaked. Any movement down a river etc would disorient the bill stack and you wouldn't expect them to all line back up again if they landed on a beach.

So we think that this indicates that they did not float on to Tena Bar. Certainly you would not expect this result after going through a dredge. We can not come up with a NATURAL means to get the money from Ariel to Tena. That doesn't mean its impossible, just that we can see no sensible way to connect those two dots unless the flight path info was wrong (we think the flight path is fine). If its unlikely to be natural, then the other two choices are mechanical or people. Of those two, people would be the odds on favorite. If you like 'people' then your choices are Cooper himself or a hiker or forest service guy in the woods finds the money. Of those choices, Cooper probably edges out the random hiker since the hiker would have had to find the money before the rubber bands degraded within a few months. Given the fact there was no chute found etc, that throws some more weight on the Cooper side.

This is a chain of decisions made using weighted arguments. This is the way we weight them. If someone else weighs them differently at any point, then they would come to an arguably different conclusion. Gray's book translated some of our research well and other parts were misconstrued. We don't normally make public statements, but in order to set the record straight, we will answer questions regarding things in the book. This is one of those issues, feel free to post this in its entirety in the forum.


The Cooper Research Team
Tom Kaye, Alan Stone, Carol Abraczinskas'

Thanks for posting. I'm sure you had posted that before, I just don't remember seeing it. You are not the only one that believes the money was a plant, but I don't buy it myself. I think it's a stretch. But, the case is over 40 years old, I think it's OK to explore alternate theories on the money and how it got there. I see nothing wrong with looking at the flight path.

I think Fuhriman had to have been mistaken about no one bringing up the idea that the bundles of cash could not have arrived separately. Safecracking uploaded his videos, suggesting the same thing, in January of 2010. I would certainly think that he and Carr discussed this on the forum at the time that Carr was handling the case (although I'm not going to search it out because I can never find anything I am searching for on this forum). Even if they didn't, I have a hard time believing that such a thought would never have occurred to someone investigating the money. It's a pretty elementary thought.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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RobertMBlevins

Well, all I know is that FBI dot gov has that map posted under their DB Cooper category. They must have done it for a reason, especially since that map has notes on it and flight path matching the one taken by Flight 305.

Blevins, Neither you or anyone else at this point has determined that the map matches the flight path taken by the NWA airliner!

Do you know what "circular reasoning" means?

Robert99

[mrshutter45 21]

I can't speak for others Robert, but I'm not stating the map is phony. I believe human error could easily be a factor here. you need to stop thinking everything is a lie. I think it's possible they got it wrong, it's as simple as that. they could also have the map right and the timing wrong. we don't have enough proof to support anything. sure it's possible Cooper landed where they said, and he lived out his life. I haven't seen anything convince me of that what so ever. the files are full of stories just like yours. tons of circumstantial evidence on dozens of KC's, Webers, Coopers etc. The FBI clearly states and shows a map stating what "the believed flight path was." that's not very convincing in my opinion. I think it's time for the FBI to admit defeat and either turn it over to the Marshals office, or open the case up to the public. it's nonsense to hold anything back at this stage. Carr should have just opened it up, more that he allowed. if were not looking in the right place, as the FBI has now claimed, how can we decide he made it? a corner is missing out of the square. show me all four corners, and then we can discuss Cooper surviving.

October 4, 1971 the FBI open fired on a hijacked plane that caused the killing of everyone on board. the son of the pilot killed is on my forum. perhaps there was a little confusion going on trying to figure out what to do in the Cooper case. this was fresh on the minds of the FBI I'm sure. the FBI appears to make mistakes. big ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jIV2LjKSQA

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo Stated:

"You do know what is going on in the state of FL & medicare right now? Then do NOT play dumb about medical Drs. opting out if a search pulls anything negative about a patient."

NOW U are just making what I said sordid and making things worse for me. GALEN COOK did state he was contacting the state of FL.
Are you going to deny that? Do you know if he did or did not?

I did NOT say I was denied based on what someone said on the internet! I asked you if you knew what was going on regarding SENIORS in the state of FL regarding their health care and medications....?

I did contact my attorney. He told me to see the new Dr. & to have the test I was denied. If there is no problem to let it go.

For a Dr. to refuse medical treatment based on non-existent accusation or conditions is unprofessional. When he told me what was required of me I then asked WHY! No Answer was provided. Then I am sent a letter firing me - I refused to accept the letter based on legal advise.

In the state of FL many Dr.s are doing this & the STATE of FL is creating the problem....Since there are NO other alerts on my files - and this happened after COOK made his claims ...I want to KNOW how and WHY I was singled out.

The state has search criterior you do NOT have!

The test I WAS denied that he ordered - involves pre-existing circumstances. This is the only statement I can make based on legal advice...

Because of what is happening all over FLA many SENIORS are going forth with litigations to stop Medicare from creating stress problems & refusing tests. The facility gave me two different stories & 1st one was that medicare rejected the procedure - NOT TRUE.

IF what happened was based on Cook actually contacting the STATE of FLA...he is in trouble. I thought as you did - that it would NOT cause me problems - but NOW that it has - I need to take ACTION against Cook.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Robert99

***John Weber and his wife Tess did KNOW Tosaw and his sister and they did belong to the same bible study ground and the same boat club. John spoke with Tosaw after Duane became a suspect.

Jo, Don't forget that Tosaw was an FBI agent and wrote a book on the Cooper hijacking. Tosaw spent quite a bit of his own money looking for Cooper in the Tina Bar area of the Columbia River.

Robert99

John contacted Tosaw around 2003 or 2004. Until then Tosaw had NO idea Duane Weber was John's brother.


John had contacted Tosaw about finding out if Duane had partrooper training. (Tosaw was also a PI). I did NOT get to learn the results of that because the sister had a heart attack that night when my current husband I went to their home in 2004.

JOHN was basically deaf and his wife was going to entertain my husband in the living room after dinner while JOHN talked to me in his office using his amplifier.

That conversation never happened because in the middle of dinner we got a call John's sister had a heart attack - and we went with them to the hospital. That was the night the sister smiled and realized I was NOT the woman with Duane in 1971....for 2 wks after the skyjacking!

NOW you go chew on that. YOU take everything I say out of context because you haven't rearched Weber and do not have all of the facts.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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mrshutter45

ask Mark Bennett, he found out quickly it's not easy to jump in and fly a plane. sadly I'm still seeing debris on the ground as a constant reminder of his skills sorry Mark, had to say it

I crashed two planes and I survived! I am invincible!

[MarkBennett 5]

RobertMBlevins

I'm a fan of the FBI all right. I just don't agree that they've always been on-the-ball with every facet of the Cooper case. For example, I don't think they handled the Amboy chute question well at all.

Early one, Robert (2010) your complaints about the chute were based on your belief that the chute MIGHT have been Cooper's.

You don't really make that claim anymore. If you believe that the FBI correctly determined that the chute was not Cooper's, then they have met their sole responsibility on the Amboy Chute. So, I don't understand the basis of your complaint on the FBI on that.

That is unless your complaint is they didn't determine WHOSE chute it was. But that really isn't their function.

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mrshutter45

I can't speak for others Robert, but I'm not stating the map is phony. I believe human error could easily be a factor here. you need to stop thinking everything is a lie. I think it's possible they got it wrong, it's as simple as that. they could also have the map right and the timing wrong. we don't have enough proof to support anything. sure it's possible Cooper landed where they said, and he lived out his life. I haven't seen anything convince me of that what so ever. the files are full of stories just like yours. tons of circumstantial evidence on dozens of KC's, Webers, Coopers etc. The FBI clearly states and shows a map stating what "the believed flight path was." that's not very convincing in my opinion. I think it's time for the FBI to admit defeat and either turn it over to the Marshals office, or open the case up to the public. it's nonsense to hold anything back at this stage. Carr should have just opened it up, more that he allowed. if were not looking in the right place, as the FBI has now claimed, how can we decide he made it? a corner is missing out of the square. show me all four corners, and then we can discuss Cooper surviving.

October 4, 1971 the FBI open fired on a hijacked plane that caused the killing of everyone on board. the son of the pilot killed is on my forum. perhaps there was a little confusion going on trying to figure out what to do in the Cooper case. this was fresh on the minds of the FBI I'm sure. the FBI appears to make mistakes. big ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jIV2LjKSQA

I suppose I should comment on having eaten a BBQ pork sandwich
tonight, not to mention another one two weeks ago Sunday, and
the car ride I took to the Farmer's Market on Thursday ... not to
mention buying lettuce on Tuesday.

Tom mentions a process of elimination through weighted
arguments, a method SafecrackingPLF tried to use also.

Cooper could simply have lost some of his money while making his
way near the Columbia looking for a route of escape. Some
money then arrives on Tina Bar at some date as yet uncertain.
Palmer thought 1979. [no plant required - no FP amendment
required - based on new weighted arguments concerning novice
survival in an NB8]

I'm going on a car ride tomorrow. Just thought yawl would want
to know.

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RobertMBlevins

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'I can't speak for others Robert, but I'm not stating the map is phony. I believe human error could easily be a factor here. you need to stop thinking everything is a lie. I think it's possible they got it wrong, it's as simple as that...'

Well, okay. But you'll have to prove that it's wrong you know. As I suggested to Robert99 maybe you should ask the Seattle FBI about the map. The only thing for sure I know about it is that Paul Soderlind and his NWA team undoubtably had a hand in it, and Soderlind is no slouch I assure you.

The only time I consider something a lie is when I believe that it is, or can prove that it is. I never said the map was a phony. In fact, I believe it is accurate and was created using the sources I mentioned earlier. You have to believe that after all the stalling was over on the ground in Seattle that a lot of people were poised to track that flight as accurately as possible. It isn't like they didn't have time enough to set that up. Then you have the crew on board, the chase planes, SAGE, ATC, whatever, following that flight. They certainly took note of the data on the flight recorder. The FBI still claims on their website that's the map made for the search. What else do you want?

If you question its accuracy, you must go to the Seattle FBI about that. Until someone proves it's a piece of junk, I will use it as a baseline.

Blevins, You seem to be ignoring the statements that the FBI has reportedly said they DO NOT know where the so-called "FBI Map" originated and that Himmelsbach has reportedly said that he had NEVER seen the map until recently.

NEVERTHELESS, you state above that, "The only thing for sure I know about it is that Paul Soderlind and his NWA team undoubtadly had a hand in it . . .".

So YOU are claiming that YOUR knowledge of the map's origin is superior to that of the FBI.

You should also take a look at the statements related to the creation of the "jump location map" which is different from the FBI flight path map.

And just exactly what "position data" was shown on the aircraft flight recorders in 1971? The answer is none.

Robert99

[MarkBennett 5]

RobertMBlevins

I'm going to present all these things on August 9. And with Bruce Kitt from NWA and maybe some of his friends showing up...can we say 'pressure'? Geez. Getting every detail right on KC has been the most difficult thing I've ever done.

Well, I'll be interested in seeing if you've discovered anything new on the home purchase. You say, it's not that important. Let's take a look.

Here is a hypothetical. I have no basis for any of this, but it's just for the sake of conversation.

Let's say, when Kenny bought his house, he assumed a mortgage for half and found a private investor to lend him the other half. Then, he gave that name to Dawn Androsko to lend her down payment.

Again....that's just a what if. I made it up and am not advocating that.

But, if it were true, it totally obliterates KC as a suspect.

There is nothing in his past that would point to him committing a crime like this.
There is nothing at the time of the crime -- no matching description and no witness who will claim he had anything to do with the hijacking.
And, there is nothing in the aftermath....no evidence of extra spending. He kept his job. He lived in a small house on a rural highway.

Robert, you write long posts listing a bunch of possibilities, but you're trying to spin straw into gold. Without some financial information, it just doesn't blow a hole in your case, it pretty much wipes it out.

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RobertMBlevins

People don't listen sometimes. They believe I'm feeding them a load of bull. But the truth is this: The only thing I have ever cared about all along is The Truth. What the hell else matters? I have better things to do. Someone wants their book edited. Maybe I have another of my own I'd like to do. And it's been five years.

I don't believe your intent is to feed us a load bull. I think, like many others, you so believe you've identified DB Cooper you're willing to mold evidence so it fits your story, readily accept testimony that supports your hypothesis and downplay or ignore evidence that does not.

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RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, You seem to be ignoring the statements that the FBI has reportedly said they DO NOT know where the so-called "FBI Map" originated and that Himmelsbach has reportedly said that he had NEVER seen the map until recently...'

'the FBI has reportedly said' and 'Himmelsbach has reportedly said'?

Really? I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat...never mind. You've seen the film, I'm sure.

Blevins, Why don't YOU give a source which ties Soderlind and NWA or even the FBI to the origins of the map you love?

Robert99

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RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, You seem to be ignoring the statements that the FBI has reportedly said they DO NOT know where the so-called "FBI Map" originated and that Himmelsbach has reportedly said that he had NEVER seen the map until recently...'

'the FBI has reportedly said' and 'Himmelsbach has reportedly said'?

Really? I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat...never mind. You've seen the film, I'm sure.

Source please.

So who are you calling a one eyed fat man ?

I thought you and the Gray One didn't like name calling? So it's
another mark on the Hypocrisy chart for the Grey Team!

Source? Why dont you ask your agent Furrr Mannn? The FBI doesn't make flight path maps! Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
So it had to come from ................... you?

What other two large entities were involved in this hijacking?

You should package and sell that smaralade of yours!

How's Anna Frank these days?

Got any quotes by Joan of Arc?

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Robert99

***Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, You seem to be ignoring the statements that the FBI has reportedly said they DO NOT know where the so-called "FBI Map" originated and that Himmelsbach has reportedly said that he had NEVER seen the map until recently...'

'the FBI has reportedly said' and 'Himmelsbach has reportedly said'?

Really? I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat...never mind. You've seen the film, I'm sure.

Blevins, Why don't YOU give a source which ties Soderlind and NWA or even the FBI to the origins of the map you love?

Robert99

Sourcing is as Sourcing does!

And to think Blevinaide has FurMan and Kittsbuel and a Grey on his side!

Or he could just read the thread!
But that would be too easy and bypass GRANDSTANDING.

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RobertMBlevins

Robert99 says in part:

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'Blevins, You seem to be ignoring the statements that the FBI has reportedly said they DO NOT know where the so-called "FBI Map" originated and that Himmelsbach has reportedly said that he had NEVER seen the map until recently...'

'the FBI has reportedly said' and 'Himmelsbach has reportedly said'?

Really? I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat...never mind. You've seen the film, I'm sure.

Source please.

Ive been invited to goto MacDonalds today! I get to ride in a car!

I brushed my teeth two hours ago!

I have fresh asparagus in the garden!

You know Cooper could simply have lost some of his money while near the Columbia during his escape (on foot).

I realise its not a GRANDSDTANDING THEORY OF ULTIMATE GREYNESS FROM ANOTHER WORLD!

Who is Deep Nose?

Any asteroids near your apartment today?

Why are people going round and round and round at Blevins' request over something already discussed in this thread 497 times? The origin of the FBI map? READ THE THREAD!

The FBI map and the Cooper money must be something
IMPROBABLE - NOT SIMPLE! The golden rule of Conspiracy Smarm
requires that.

You must be special and anointed to understand to hundreds if
not thousands of others already know -

Let's ask Kittsbuel and Margie in the secret star chamber at NWA
Area 71!

[MarkBennett 5]

RobertMBlevins

******

People don't listen sometimes. They believe I'm feeding them a load of bull. But the truth is this: The only thing I have ever cared about all along is The Truth. What the hell else matters? I have better things to do. Someone wants their book edited. Maybe I have another of my own I'd like to do. And it's been five years.

I don't believe your intent is to feed us a load bull. I think, like many others, you so believe you've identified DB Cooper you're willing to mold evidence so it fits your story, readily accept testimony that supports your hypothesis and downplay or ignore evidence that does not.

About the only real evidence I've downplayed is the witness description by the FBI. Witness descriptions, especially when the witnesses are under duress, are often just plain inaccurate. 75% of wrongful convictions are due to this concept.

The truth is, I just don't know if I named the right guy or not. I sometimes wonder why Bernie Geestman tried to manipulate his own sister the day after I interviewed him, and why he lied so many times not only to me, but to Marisa Kagan at History Channel, and then went on to do the same thing on national television. There was no reason for it. And pretty much every one of those lies had to do with distancing himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's finances or the hijacking itself.

Walking through Margaret Geestman's house and seeing padlocks installed on the INTERIOR doors, and she telling me that was done because she thought Bernie might come back to rob her again was hard to reconcile. You almost had to be there.

I did seven interviews with her. I could tell sometimes she wanted to open up about everything, but I could never get past her absolute fear of the FBI. It was tough. When I heard she had sold her ranch for that $491,000 and told everyone not to say where she was going, that was also hard to reconcile. It didn't surprise me a whole lot though.

Seven more weeks and I'm out of the Cooper biz anyway. I figure someone will end up investigating the updated statements on KC and find out what's what on it. My thought is either he's the guy, or it's one hell of a bunch of coincidences. Maybe the biggest bunch of coincidences in recent crime history.

Robert,
This is exactly when I talk about "molding the evidence". There are many explanations for the Bernie-Marge circumstances you describe above. The only thing that ties it to the DB Cooper hijacking is the timing of some of it.

You interviewed Marge Geestman seven times. You were very nice to her and honestly believed Kenny was the hijacker and the most she would say is "If Kenny were involved, he was only doing his job". That's not the statement of someone who believes Kenny was DB Cooper.

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"About the only real evidence I've downplayed is the witness description by the FBI. Witness descriptions, especially when the witnesses are under duress, are often just plain inaccurate. 75% of wrongful convictions are due to this concept."

Those are different circumstances. the average crime lasts seconds. the witnesses don't get hours to look at the suspect. the proof is right in front of you. Tina & Flo had similar descriptions. the passengers who didn't have a reason to look at him were all over the board. If you went to the store today, who was in there, and what were they wearing? now if you seen a robbery in progress and got caught up in it being taken hostage for several hours. what do you think your description will be from the guy who seen it happen, but ran out fast enough to get away?


From what I'm reading you got that from the DNA cases that were overturned. I don't think it's directed at anything other than the DNA cases.

"Eyewitness misidentification, which was a factor in more than 75% of all wrongful convictions overturned by DNA testing nationwide,"

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Sluggo created a map & there was already an existing map...but, the one used by the FBI - I am beginning to believe none of you have been made privy to.

I am going to go thru every map Sluggo brought with him. I know when Sluggo created HIS map he used the wind factors with the co-ordinates from files he got from someplace. Did he get the co-ordinates from the FBI or did he fudge them a little to make me happy?

Remember SLUGGO was a hunter. That was his hobbie & I do not mean animals. There are groups formed that do what he did. They hide things and then find them.

Because of Sluggo's expertise in this - I feel sure he had actual co-ordinates that the FBI used. Or was he just trying to make an old woman happy? I do not know! Remember I left things like this up to others who supposedly knew what they were talking about.

All I knew or know is the places Duane Weber took me to & the things he showed me and what he told me. That is all I know about WA - of course Duane only mentioned Cooper ONE (1) time on that trip - I vaguely knew what he was referring to ...but, just a woman who never questioned her husband or got into his past.

Life is what it is & we do not judge someone by their past mistakes. This was my feelings about relationships. Everyone makes mistakes - but, of course I never dreamt I would be connected to a criminal, I was VERY NAIVE!

If a woman can spend 11 yrs with a man (my 1st husband) who was promisuous & she thought it was HER fault - well, she was extremely naive. That woman was me. When I stepped out into the world at the grand ole age of 31 as a divorcee, I was in for a FEW surprises. A lot of new standards and the realities of life.

I saw things and experienced things that were beyond my conception & I was not prepared for any of it.

Perhaps Duane realized this & why he chose me....I was 36 when we met & he was 17 yrs older than myself. The average woman my age at that time had been around a few times. My world was small & I really had NO conception of how other people lived.

I was led down some strange passages from 1971 to 1976. The world I found out there for a young divorcee - well, I didn't like it! I was clueless about affairs (that is putting it mildly). I was just plain naive! Duane actually rescued me....I didn't understand the "dating" thing for a divorcee or the expectations of "others". I ended up finding myself in some serious predicaments that I never shared with a sole. I shut the world OUT after and when Duane came into my life - Well, life just became easier.

The way he treated me was the way I THOUGHT married life and loving was all about - he was my knight in shining armour... he would be so sweet & child like. I didn't know he had a past & I also was unaware of an activity he in the past had participated in.

On the surface he was this well mannered gentleman who was always in control, but beneath the surface he had some really rough edges and mannerisms. But, all I had to do was tell him ONE time that was not appropriate - & Poof not a problem anymore. I had a temper (still do), but Duane could always charm me out of a bad mood if I was unhappy about something. Now knowning about the multiple prisons & the yrs he was behind the wall - it is a miracle he became the man he did.

I didn't do it - he did it!. We were just a good match! I never did ask him why he was so curious about my father's name and my grandfather's name. John Collins.

Later on in our marriage he told me he had worked with a traveling fair. I remember when the fair came thru my senior yr there was a young man who worked the rides. I was watching my sister on the ride...the guy was so nice & his eyes so intense, but way too old for me. Evidently my father was 'watching me' & cautioned me to never have conversations with the workers at the fairs & they were drifters.

I never forgot his eyes and his complexion and that grin. NOW I often wonder back and ask myself - was that guy Duane...well, if he was - then there is definitely something called destiny & magic.

Hell, we are talking about maps & all of sudden I am talking about Magic and Co-incidences. I will just call the entire thing Destiny.

You know if I was able to write a book - I think Destiny explains my entire life with Weber. It was something that was just meant to be. I will never regret having tried to tell his story! NOT, ever.

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