DB Cooper

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https://www.discovery.com/shows/mysteries-of-the-deep/episodes/secrets-of-the-ms-estonia

Small segment on Cooper.....Tom Kaye makes an appearance to discuss diatoms....nothing new.

[Robert99 50]

8 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Wrong, it is identical to the one on the engineers panel. There is a separate settings panel.

I checked the pilots panel and it is not there..

This is the Boeing 727 engineers panel..

Okay, so there was also a standard rate of climb instrument on the flight engineer's panel plus some other flight type instrument (can't read it) just above it.  But the controls for the cabin pressurization are the other ones in this illustration.

[FLYJACK 702]

10 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Okay, so there was also a standard rate of climb instrument on the flight engineer's panel plus some other flight type instrument (can't read it) just above it.  But the controls for the cabin pressurization are the other ones in this illustration.

I can't find that gauge on the pilot's panel, only on the engineer's panel.

Where is it, post a picture..

[FLYJACK 702]

The tie was never identified as belonging to McCoy.. 

Calame and Rhodes exaggerated the evidence.. witness shown pic said looks "similar" to one McCoy had..

[georger 244]

32 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

I can't find that gauge on the pilot's panel, only on the engineer's panel.

Where is it, post a picture..

R99 has never posted a picture!  Ever in his whole history at Cooper forums. He may not know how to or have the capability. An engineer who cant or wont post photos!  R99 is a one way street. He can only operate downhill !  It's just one of the charming facts about R99. 

Edited September 8, 2022 by georger

[georger 244]

Queen Elizabeth has died.

[FLYJACK 702]

12 minutes ago, georger said:

Queen Elizabeth has died.

For a royal, she was a class act...  and a jumper..

 

Now,,, not so much

[FLYJACK 702]

14 hours ago, Robert99 said:

Okay, so there was also a standard rate of climb instrument on the flight engineer's panel plus some other flight type instrument (can't read it) just above it.  But the controls for the cabin pressurization are the other ones in this illustration.

Nope, still wrong the "rate of climb (descent) gauge" is not on the pilot's panel, only on the engineer's panel..

Anderson saw the oscillations/bump on that gauge..

Reading up on that gauge for normal operation there is a slight delay, it moves to give a direction first then stabilizes to give rate..

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by FLYJACK

[georger 244]

3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

For a royal, she was a class act...  and a jumper..

 

Now,,, not so much

Bloody good. Thank you. God save the King. 

[FLYJACK 702]

On 9/7/2022 at 1:32 PM, FLYJACK said:

The rate of climb (descent) gauge is not absolute it is relative. It measures a differential.

If you disagree take it up with Anderson.

 

Q2:  Is it correct that the intent of the report from the crew was that the cabin climb rate guage indication had oscillated?
A (Anderson):  "It was the "rate of descent" gauge that detected the so-called "pressure bump."  Two guages are used to detect the disruptions of airflow.  (1) the Differential Pressure/Cabin Altitude (which serves as a dual function guage); and (2) rate of climb, or, rate of descent guage."

Anderson's claim of the "rate of climb" gauge oscillations/bump corroborated by comms...

[Robert99 50]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Anderson's claim of the "rate of climb" gauge oscillations/bump corroborated by comms...

The rate of climb instruments on the pilot's panel would not show the indications that Anderson and Rataczak discuss because they are ported to the outside of the aircraft hull.  That is why Rataczak had to turn to look at the engineer's rate of climb instrument.  The engineer's instrument wasn't ported to anything but just exposed to the cabin pressure.

The rate of climb instrument that you have posted a picture of would indeed measure the change of cabin pressure and display that as a climb or descent expressed in feet per minute rather than pressure units.   

[FLYJACK 702]

Robert99, stellar response to Chaucer's classless comment..

I am not surprised, he made similar unhinged comments here about this forum and in his (now hidden) video trashing Rataczak.. to discredit him..

Chaucer, 

As a descendant of English, German, Scottish, Irish, and other ancestors that have been in North America for 350+ years and who fought with the British prior to 1776 and against them in 1776 and onward, I do not share your views.

I have thousands of cousins of every racial group including white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc., and all major religious groups including Protestant, Jewish, and Catholic and I am sure that they will agree with me.

Elizabeth II did not colonize anyone.  In fact, quite a bit of decolonization took place during her 70 years as Queen.

Queen Elizabeth II was a great lady who faithfully fulfilled the role that the Fates assigned to her.  She was a genuine credit to the entire human race.

Edited September 9, 2022 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 702]

According to Anderson there were minor fluctuations/oscillations for some time prior..

A rapid and violent series of oscillations on the gauge caught their attention ending with the bump. They reported that rapid and violent increase. The sled test matched.

Chaucer, Carr and others just haven't processed the evidence.. Soderlind was listening in and took notes. The call to him was minutes after the bump/oscillations and before the suburbs of Portland at about 8:15.. Soderlind used the timing of that call to make the drop zone map which had a southern point about Battleground.

There is no explanation for the oscillation/bump other than Cooper jumping. There is no evidence that can put Cooper over the Columbia River..   The timing of the call to Soderlind puts Cooper's jump minutes before 8:15.. or minutes before the suburbs of Portland.

The argument that the FBI, Soderlind and everyone has conflated the bump and oscillations is complete nonsense. The bump was an extreme oscillation. 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 702]

Information from the flight data recorder... the heading is one of the parameters.

This corroborates the "FBI" path... and this may be the smoking gun...

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 702]

13 minutes ago, Slim King said:

This is NOT evidence from the flight recorder. It is someone saying it is .. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!

You can say that about anything especially the Reca narrative, all speculation and no data.

Since the FDR is a magnetic foil we obviously aren't given the actual foil which needs to be read by an expert, so any FDR evidence is a representation.

This is an internal document between NWA and the FBI.. never meant for the public.

It is evidence that corroborates all the other flight path evidence and the smoking gun that destroys all alternate flightpaths, they are dead, all of them.

RIP Western Flight Path.

RIP Reca narrative,, though it was never serious.

[CooperNWO305 151]

Reca is an example of a suspect who was basically slipped by the researchers.  That team went straight to the press and tried to get a foothold.  That story fell apart very quickly under minimal scrutiny.  Any white male aged 35-55 could have been made up to be Cooper given Reca's public relations team.  The book was also published by borderline religious zealots in my mind, people who may have a history of taking things on faith and not looking at facts.  I'm ok with that in a spiritual sense, but this is not church.  Reca was clearly a storyteller, who barely fits the age range, and looks nothing at all like any Cooper description.

[CooperNWO305 151]

5 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Religious Zealots???? What religion are you referring to? He looks exactly like the very first sketch. He lived in Washington, fit the description, jumped in Seattle many times and knew all the other jumpers. Why didn't the FBI ever question him? Answer that one.

The FBI has made it clear that Composite B is the best sketch.  Even if you don't want to go with that, you can take Composite A.  No one gives any credibility to the initial sketch you are referring to.  You're trying to plug Reca and it is getting old and hampering real discussion on this site, so I'm not wasting my time on this. Good luck. For anyone else, this is the media company that published one of the main Reca books.  Words like faith, prayer, etc. are used.  Not science.  The fact is that there are liars in the world, and Reca is probably one of those, Weber too, Gossett, etc.  They can't all be Cooper, so someone is lying.

https://principiamedia.com/shop/

[FLYJACK 702]

6 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Religious Zealots???? What religion are you referring to? He looks exactly like the very first sketch. He lived in Washington, fit the description, jumped in Seattle many times and knew all the other jumpers. Why didn't the FBI ever question him? Answer that one.

Religious zealots is being kind.. they are grifters.

 

No biggie, Reca is an absurd suspect, the worst.. no facts and the claims are ridiculous....

Carl couldn't even get the basic facts right,

Reca didn't choose a 727..

Reca planned to jump out the side door..

Reca drank scotch and water..

Reca talks like the 8th grade education he has..

The plane went East..

Carl claimed the Cle Elum jump spot is an equal arc from the FBI DZ..

NOT EVEN CLOSE...

 

[FLYJACK 702]

5 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Planes that fly the normal route to Reno,V2, like this one did, fly North first then fly East over the pass.https://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=KSEA&destination=KRNO You can watch them every day. This is the regular flight path and it can be done under 10,000 feet. This proves the Reca theory even more. But FJ .. Why didn't your crooked FBI even talk to him?

Nobody cares about your nonsense..

[FLYJACK 702]

5 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Looks like you are 100% wrong once again. The jet flies NORTH then EAST... Right over Cle Elum !!!!!!!!!!

You are just a troll clogging the forum with garbage..

[FLYJACK 702]

57 minutes ago, Slim King said:

  100% real ... The jet flies North then East over Cle Elum at the exact time of the jump. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA475/history/20220908/1850Z/KSEA/KRNO

I am sure it is real, and 100% wrong... you have posted it 5 or 6 times and it has nothing to do with Cooper or NORJAK's flight path. Nothing..

You can post it another 100 times and will still have nothing to do with Cooper....

That track doesn't even go anywhere near Cle Elum.. it is about 50 miles West of Cle Elum.

In fact, I checked 20 recent flights, they don't all loop North and none go anywhere near Cle Elum.. they all fly West of Mt Rainier..

You Reca guys can't get anything right. The claims to support the Reca narrative are completely false... 

How much longer are going to pollute this thread with that garbage.

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by FLYJACK

[georger 244]

39 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Planes that fly the normal route to Reno,V2, like this one did, fly North first then fly East over the pass.https://flightaware.com/live/findflight?origin=KSEA&destination=KRNO You can watch them every day. This is the regular flight path and it can be done under 10,000 feet. This proves the Reca theory even more. But FJ .. Why didn't your crooked FBI even talk to him?

Why? Because the FBI are not morons!

Spent an hour talking to one agent this afternoon - we had a blast. Learned a lot about the mechanics of filing for Lab work in 71 ... (Lab was in Wash DC). We think the frags collected at T Bar were sent to the Lab and may still be stored there! Then (agent was cleaning out his barn as we talked) I asked: "tell me exactly how the twelve groups  turned in by the Ingrams got separated into single bills and placed in evidence folders, who did that ...." ?  "Was done by the Lab, submitted by the case manager in Seattle.... must have been a huge job ... they may have farmed it out to the Treasury Lab .... but everything came back to Seattle in folders ..... maybe took a month .... was told it was 'one helluva a job!' ? ... and there were still fragments stuck they didnt get separated! "

Lot of fun. to be continued .... 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by georger

[FLYJACK 702]

6 hours ago, Slim King said:

Day by day the FBI credibility is lost .... They refused to even talk to the most qualified jumper in Washington. The correct age, height, weight, experience, criminal record, and he jumped multiple times in the area and was known as an excellent skydiver.

This guy is worse than Blevins..

[FLYJACK 702]

The airstair panels on NORJAK were canvas not fibreglass as Ulis claims..

The early ones were canvas,,, later ones were a fibreglass material.

They were shredded and not the 8 x 40 inch part found in the woods...

[FLYJACK 702]

McCoy was not Cooper for many reasons..

Here is a good look at him, he does not fit the description at all..

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by FLYJACK