DB Cooper

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8 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I don't think they actually saw him write with a felt pen,,,  Cooper's first note was written in felt pen.. That is what they are referring to but it is poorly worded.

Thanks, I figured something like that.  Next question would have been, if multiple witnesses saw him writing -- what hand did he use ?  

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14 minutes ago, JAGdb said:

Thanks, I figured something like that.  Next question would have been, if multiple witnesses saw him writing -- what hand did he use ?  

right...

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57 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

right...

I have not been able to figure this one out. Did he write in cursive or print? We know it was print for the MISS. Back then many people wrote cursive. I was looking at the back of old post cards and it made me think of this again. I’ve seen the term “handwriting”

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19 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

I have not been able to figure this one out. Did he write in cursive or print? We know it was print for the MISS. Back then many people wrote cursive. I was looking at the back of old post cards and it made me think of this again. I’ve seen the term “handwriting”

handwriting... cursive

SCHAFFNER said that "MISS" was printed but the remainder of the note was written in neat legible hand-writing. She said that the envelope was a plain, white letter-type envelope with no writing on the outside. She said the note was written on plain white unlined paper.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by FLYJACK

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

handwriting... cursive

SCHAFFNER said that "MISS" was printed but the remainder of the note was written in neat legible hand-writing. She said that the envelope was a plain, white letter-type envelope with no writing on the outside. She said the note was written on plain white unlined paper.

 

any watermark on the paper? they probably didnt check. too bad they gave him his note back - what could he have done if they had said "no" or "we cant find it!" ? 

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On 10/1/2022 at 5:40 PM, FLYJACK said:

right...

Source?

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NEW - Facial Identification Catalog. mage KK5-1 chosen by Schaffner as a match for Cooper. See:  https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by georger

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2 hours ago, georger said:

NEW - Facial Identification Catalog. mage KK5-1 chosen by Schaffner as a match for Cooper. See:  https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog

 

 

Edwards got it wrong,,

Sketch "B" was done as a process and it was derived from "KK5-1",,, there was not a separate sketch... The final sketch "B" incorporated all the witness inputs.. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by FLYJACK

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2 hours ago, Slim King said:

NOW we are getting somewhere!!!!!!!!!!! The FBI said they have destroyed all copies of the Facial Identification Catalog containing this likeness.... Still big FBI fans? WHY are they destroying so much evidence?

Apparently you can't read.

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5 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Source?

I was agreeing with the post..

but the evidence strongly supports right handed,,

you can find it in here... there are three important pieces.

https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper ?b_start:int=40

 

 

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36 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

I was agreeing with the post..

but the evidence strongly supports right handed,,

you can find it in here... there are three important pieces.

https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper ?b_start:int=40

 

 

Were you trying to link to a specific batch?

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4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Were you trying to link to a specific batch?

The three are..

Ticket agent.. probably right

Smoke stains right hand..

carried briefcase to lav holding it with his left hand, right hand inside.. this is to use dominant hand to open door or use..  people do this, they carry things with the non dominant hand to keep their dominant hand free to do tasks.

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6 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

 

 they carry things with the non dominant hand to keep their dominant hand free to do tasks.

By that same logic he sat on the right side of the plane so he could have his left hand free to do tasks while his right hand was inside the briefcase (pretending to be holding detonator wires or whatever).

Lynse's "probably right" is weird. Lynse's 302 says he probably couldn't pick him out if he saw him again yet he is supposed to remember or have paid attention to what hand he paid with?

The stains is interesting as well. The only time so far that appears in a 302 comes from a couple of 1988 302's. Himmy in NORJAK also mentions his fingers were stained, but doesn't specify which hand. Hopefully one day we'll get a 302 of a previously unseen testimony indicating where that derived from precisely. 

I think there is evidence that points toward him being a lefty and also evidence pointing toward the righty. I think if we get a 302 from closer in time to the hijacking indicating that it really was his right hand that was tobacco stained, then that should solve it. However, it's odd that a stew, presumably Tina, would even notice that his fingers were stained on his right hand since Tina also says "he had his right hand inside the briefcase at all times."

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1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

By that same logic he sat on the right side of the plane so he could have his left hand free to do tasks while his right hand was inside the briefcase (pretending to be holding detonator wires or whatever).

Lynse's "probably right" is weird. Lynse's 302 says he probably couldn't pick him out if he saw him again yet he is supposed to remember or have paid attention to what hand he paid with?

The stains is interesting as well. The only time so far that appears in a 302 comes from a couple of 1988 302's. Himmy in NORJAK also mentions his fingers were stained, but doesn't specify which hand. Hopefully one day we'll get a 302 of a previously unseen testimony indicating where that derived from precisely. 

I think there is evidence that points toward him being a lefty and also evidence pointing toward the righty. I think if we get a 302 from closer in time to the hijacking indicating that it really was his right hand that was tobacco stained, then that should solve it. However, it's odd that a stew, presumably Tina, would even notice that his fingers were stained on his right hand since Tina also says "he had his right hand inside the briefcase at all times."

Not the same.. carrying a case to the lav you need your dominant hand free, you can't switch.. holding a wire in a resting case you can use your dominant hand or easily switch when needed..

I see zero evidence Cooper is left handed.

Mitchell said he put left hand in briefcase (while drinking, suggests using right hand)

Edited October 3, 2022 by FLYJACK

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On 9/23/2022 at 9:17 PM, FLYJACK said:

Digging through the files always turns up something new, missed or forgotten..

Alice says she saw Cooper without glasses...

This was Flo since it came from Denver. She moved to Denver in early 72 to work for Frontier. I originally thought Alice was the one who moved to Denver, but it was 100% Flo. Alice stayed in Minny throughout 72 with her husband who was an NWO employee. Tina ended up moving to Chicago in summer 73 when she married Larson. 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by olemisscub

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10 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

This was Flo since it came from Denver. She moved to Denver in early 72 to work for Frontier. I originally thought Alice was the one who moved to Denver, but it was 100% Flo. Alice stayed in Minny throughout 72 with her husband who was an NWO employee. Tina ended up moving to Chicago in summer 73 when she married Larson. 

 

Makes sense, not sure why I wrote Alice.. I knew about Denver.

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1 hour ago, Slim King said:

Read it for yourself....   https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog

I did, they tossed a 50 year old FBI facial recognition catalog.. wow, what a shocker.. they still have the image as it is in the 302 and posted.. That image was the foundation for sketch B which was released.. 

You always just get it wrong..

Reca was not Cooper, you don't even need the FBI files to know that,, all you need is Carl and Reca's words and claims..

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by FLYJACK

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Alice said Cooper had his right hand in the case..

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21 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I'm glad that you admit that the FBI destroyed more evidence in this case. Just like the hair and the cigs.

They didn't, the image is in the 302's.. if it was destroyed then why is it posted in this forum.. they tossed a 50 year old catalog that was not evidence.

The hair was lost, the butts were destroyed after lab analysis..

Edited October 4, 2022 by FLYJACK

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15 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

They didn't, the image is in the 302's.. if it was destroyed then why is it posted in this forum.. they tossed a 50 year old catalog that was not evidence.

The hair was lost, the butts were destroyed after lab analysis..

Very likely the catalog got revised or absorbed into a new format\procedure .... last time I checked the FBI has not eliminated 'eyeballs' and 'heads' in the human population!  

Edited October 4, 2022 by georger

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10 minutes ago, georger said:

Very likely the catalog got revised or absorbed into a new format\procedure .... last time I checked the FBI has not eliminated 'eyeballs' and 'heads' in the human population!  

Yes, they went to a new system, those catalogs were very hard to get outside the FBI,, you had to be highly credentialed in law enforcement.

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18 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Obviously you didn't do your homework and actually read the article. The 302 image released is such a joke, but at least it show's how different the sketches are. The FBI will not release a better image. Please read the article before spouting off. Robert has some excellent insight!!!!   https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog

He is wrong, so are you. In fact, I don't know of anyone who gets as much wrong as you. Why are you even here.

KK5-1 was not a Cooper sketch, it was an image in the FBI facial identification catalog, the FBI implied the catalog was destroyed, of course it was 50 years old.. KK5-1 was used as the basis for Sketch B.... Edwards missed this.. and there is no missing evidence. Sketch B was released publicly and the catalog image KK5-1 is in the 302..  

Edwards wants a higher resolution image. There is nothing new there or significant.. Sketch B was done as a process going between the witnesses and they generally agreed on the final sketch B..

 

So yes, you have nothing but misinformation as usual.

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by FLYJACK

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3 minutes ago, Slim King said:

So NOW you finally read it.... That's good. Why do they release a $hit grade sketch when this is one of the biggest unsolved cases in history?

It isn't a Cooper sketch...   

You are just being a troll...

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8 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Still name calling? These ad hominem attacks are tiring but I guess it's the name of the game around here. The case has made more headway in the last year than in the previous 50!!! The pieces of the puzzle are coming together faster and faster now. It will soon be complete.

Not name calling, stating a fact.. 

You keep making completely false, dishonest and unsubstantiated claims.. over and over.. it is all you do. You do not contribute to this forum whatsoever..

You are not pursuing the truth, you are shilling for Reca and everybody knows it.

 

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9 hours ago, Slim King said:

So NOW you finally read it.... That's good. Why do they release a $hit grade sketch when this is one of the biggest unsolved cases in history? Why did they destroy the picture she picked and said looked just like him except for the hair line and ears? Why is the FBI scuttling the ship every chance they get?

My dude, KK5-1 is a random mugshot of some long dead criminal from yesteryear, it's not a sketch. It comes from this:

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by olemisscub