DB Cooper

[olemisscub 511]

29 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Route from the man walking sighting.. 12.9 miles

5 hour walk seems too far..

20 min drive.

Maybe he got a ride to Woodland.

 

If I were to buy into this being Cooper, I’m thinking that the Jess Hatfield intruder was NOT Cooper. That’s an unnecessary diversion for him. That’s too out of the way. He just made it back to civilization and then he goes back deep into the countryside? Nah.

The guy on the road and then the burglary seems to check out as being the same individual, Cooper or not.

[FLYJACK 714]

3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

If I were to buy into this being Cooper, I’m thinking that the Jess Hatfield intruder was NOT Cooper. That’s an unnecessary diversion for him. That’s too out of the way. He just made it back to civilization and then he goes back deep into the countryside? Nah.

The guy on the road and then the burglary seems to check out as being the same individual, Cooper or not.

The problem is.. if he makes it to Woodland at 11:15-30 PM what does he do then...  the chances of being spotted are higher..

He needs to find a place to hide out for a while.

I don't have a problem with him also doing the Hatfield attempted break in..

I have trouble with the man walking sighting at 11:30... that timing doesn't fit. It would have to be before 10:30..

 

[olemisscub 511]

These two crimes are undated but both appear in the Nov 30th edition of The Columbian. 

[olemisscub 511]

[c99acer 7]

8 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

When do you think it was buried? 

It was buried more than once. The last time was just days before the find.

[FLYJACK 714]

16 hours ago, c99acer said:

It was buried more than once. The last time was just days before the find.

The condition of the rubber bands makes that impossible.

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

On 9/23/2023 at 8:30 PM, FLYJACK said:

Let's put the pieces together... into a timeline..

 

At 8:09 - 8:10,, little bob noted on 305's FDR (Cooper at bottom of stairs, possibly jumping)

A man in a white shirt and dark suit is seen walking West on Lewis River Rd at Fredrickson Rd... virtually under the flightpath at about 8:10 mark on map. 

About 11:00 PM.. About 4 miles West..  Store robbery at 3100 Lewis River Rd..

About midnight, an attempted break in at a rural home several miles south of Woodland. The break in would be about 9 miles from the store robbery. It would take about 2 h 15 m to walk 9 milles,, though he may have got a ride to Woodland.

 

It all fits. This is a very good scenario..

 

Did he have a Polaroid camera, at home??

 

 

 

You could use the film to make a fire. 

[olemisscub 511]

If you read the papers during the week of the hijacking and the week before, there is a whole rash of burglaries taking place throughout northern Clark County. The Saturday after the hijacking they found lots of stolen goods in this flop house where all these druggies were living. It's possible that these were related. 

And you may say "why would thieves like this break into a place and only take cigs and gloves, etc." Well, I think the answer to that is that the stolen items were ancillary to their main objective for breaking in. I suspect these people would have broken into these country stores trying to rob the place. Broke into these places to see if they had money stashed or within easy reach or if there was any other item of value just laying around (a chainsaw for sale or something like that). While they were in there snooping around they grabbed stuff on the way out. If you read the article, it sounds like these people were re-selling some of the things they had stolen. So perhaps they took the Polaroid film to take photos of their loot for re-sale purposes. You wouldn't want to have photos be professionally developed of your stolen goods. 

This from Nov 29th:

[FLYJACK 714]

26 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

If you read the papers during the week of the hijacking and the week before, there is a whole rash of burglaries taking place throughout northern Clark County. The Saturday after the hijacking they found lots of stolen goods in this flop house where all these druggies were living. It's possible that these were related. 

And you may say "why would thieves like this break into a place and only take cigs and gloves, etc." Well, I think the answer to that is that the stolen items were ancillary to their main objective for breaking in. I suspect these people would have broken into these country stores trying to rob the place. Broke into these places to see if they had money stashed or within easy reach or if there was any other item of value just laying around (a chainsaw for sale or something like that). While they were in there snooping around they grabbed stuff on the way out. If you read the article, it sounds like these people were re-selling some of the things they had stolen. So perhaps they took the Polaroid film to take photos of their loot for re-sale purposes. You wouldn't want to have photos be professionally developed of your stolen goods. 

This from Nov 29th:

You have the sighting of an out of place man walking West matching Cooper under the flightpath at about 8:10 on the map..  FDR detected a little bob at 8:09...  Same night, 3.5 miles West on the same road you have a store break in...  We can't prove they are connected but it fits better than a random robbery.

That theft ring was taking stuff to sell...  the store break in was personal.

[FLYJACK 714]

1 hour ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

You could use the film to make a fire. 

Still weird,, you could take other things for a fire...

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

15 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

You have the sighting of an out of place man walking West matching Cooper under the flightpath at about 8:10 on the map..  FDR detected a little bob at 8:09...  Same night, 3.5 miles West on the same road you have a store break in...  We can't prove they are connected but it fits better than a random robbery.

That theft ring was taking stuff to sell...  the store break in was personal.

Agreed. Highly doubt it was some kind of burglary ring like this. They are seeking easily sellable items for resale. The items taken from Casey’s were cheap necessity items. Stuff for survival.

[olemisscub 511]

15 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

Agreed. Highly doubt it was some kind of burglary ring like this. They are seeking easily sellable items for resale. The items taken from Casey’s were cheap necessity items. Stuff for survival.

You don't think someone breaking in to a store looking for cash and other sellable items would grab some random shit on the way out? A hijacker isn't taking Polaroid film. Period. Cigarettes? Cigars? Polaroid film? These are teenagers/young adults. Doesn't have to be the same kids from that burglary ring. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by olemisscub

[FLYJACK 714]

18 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

You don't think someone breaking in to a store looking for cash and other sellable items would grab some random shit on the way out? A hijacker isn't taking Polaroid film. Period. Cigarettes? Cigars? Polaroid film? These are teenagers/young adults. 

Possible.. but not obvious.

The Polaroid film is weird...  the rest doesn't sound like teenagers.. no pop no candy or chips... Did they sell alcohol in Wa corner stores back then? IDK..

Polaroid cameras were kind of expensive then..  film was pricey too... not a teenager thing.

Maybe he had a camera at home,, or it was an inventory error by the store.

Polaroid cameras were used to make fake ID...

Edited September 25, 2023 by FLYJACK

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

26 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

You don't think someone breaking in to a store looking for cash and other sellable items would grab some random shit on the way out? A hijacker isn't taking Polaroid film. Period. Cigarettes? Cigars? Polaroid film? These are teenagers/young adults. Doesn't have to be the same kids from that burglary ring. 

If there was alcohol taken I’d be much more inclined to believe this scenario with teens/young adults. I talked to the sister of the owner of the Heisson store, who worked there in 71 and she said break ins from the local honorary punks were common and beer/smokes were the norm. I don’t know how you could say what a skyjacker would take, but let me turn the question around on you. You don't think a skyjacker breaking into a store to use the phone would steal some random shit on the way out? 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Nicholas Broughton

[olemisscub 511]

4 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

 

Polaroid cameras were kind of expensive then..  film was pricey too... not a teenager thing.

Yes, that's why you steal it if you see some just sitting out.

Let's try to be real here...A guy who just jumped from a jet with 200k isn't taking Polaroid film. 

[olemisscub 511]

Just now, Nicholas Broughton said:

 You don't think a skyjacker breaking into a store to use the phone would steal some random shit on the way out? 

Sure, but not Polaroid camera film of all things. That's inexplicable. 

I'm still maintaining that Cooper was too sly of an individual to be just breaking into stores and risking everything he just accomplished by being reckless. This is a guy who kept the passengers in the dark. He liked to keep a low profile. He'd have just played it cool during his escape, same as McCoy and Mac did. He didn't need to break into a place to use the phone and risk getting shot or god knows whatever else. He could have just kept walking a few extra miles to Woodland and just walked into any gas station that was open and asked to use the phone. Or he could have hitchhiked a ride. He's dressed in a suit after all: "Hey, my car broke down a few miles back, can you take me someplace with a phone real quick?"

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

35 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Sure, but not Polaroid camera film of all things. That's inexplicable. 

I'm still maintaining that Cooper was too sly of an individual to be just breaking into stores and risking everything he just accomplished by being reckless. This is a guy who kept the passengers in the dark. He liked to keep a low profile. He'd have just played it cool during his escape, same as McCoy and Mac did. He didn't need to break into a place to use the phone and risk getting shot or god knows whatever else. He could have just kept walking a few extra miles to Woodland and just walked into any gas station that was open and asked to use the phone. Or he could have hitchhiked a ride. He's dressed in a suit after all: "Hey, my car broke down a few miles back, can you take me someplace with a phone real quick?"

I wouldn’t say McCoy played it cool, he was making comments regarding the search that was going on to the dude that gave him a ride home. He said it was that commentary that got him suspicious and made him call in the tip. Cooper got out of the area someway, you’d think if anyone picked up a guy in the area that night wearing a suit, we would of heard a story by now and same with the walking into a woodland gas station.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Nicholas Broughton

[olemisscub 511]

19 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

Cooper got out of the area someway, you’d think if anyone picked up a guy in the area that night wearing a suit, we would of heard a story by now.

Perhaps we’d have gotten a story like that from a guy who lived outside Brush Prairie if he had a thought that the hijacker landed near there. With everything hyperfocused up near Woodland, it’s possible that a lead like this was just never reported. 

[FLYJACK 714]

5 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Perhaps we’d have gotten a story like that from a guy who lived outside Brush Prairie if he had a thought that the hijacker landed near there. With everything hyperfocused up near Woodland, it’s possible that a lead like this was just never reported. 

OR,, Cooper gave the ride some cash.... ensuring it wouldn't be reported.

 

I don't see any reason to believe Cooper would not break in to a store for supplies. It is common for fugitives..  that said no way we will know if was him or not.

Edited September 25, 2023 by FLYJACK

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

22 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Perhaps we’d have gotten a story like that from a guy who lived outside Brush Prairie if he had a thought that the hijacker landed near there. With everything hyperfocused up near Woodland, it’s possible that a lead like this was just never reported. 

Possible yes, likely no. We we have Jeffries and Hooper in Vancouver ten days after the skyjacking calling in a tip about a white canopy hung up on the I-5 railroad bridge. So I don’t know how deterred folks were about submitting leads that were outside of the fbi search area. The media and news coverage was still big in the surrounding area and the money find ten years later also presented an opportunity for somebody more south of the FBI DZ to make the connection. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Nicholas Broughton

[georger 244]

39 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

Possible yes, likely no. We we have Jeffries and Hooper in Vancouver ten days after the skyjacking calling in a tip about a white canopy hung up on the I-5 railroad bridge. So I don’t know how deterred folks were about submitting leads that were outside of the fbi search area. The media and news coverage was still big in the surrounding area and the money find ten years later also presented an opportunity for somebody more south of the FBI DZ to make the connection. 

There is no event post drop that is uniquely Cooper and nobody or nothing else, to track. Cooper is a black hole. The money is different and traceable to an extent. The money winds up south of all possible dz's as part of the Columbia River system. A number of things can be eliminated immediately - the money did not drop from the plane on or even near Tena Bar! That is impossible. So the money was transported south by some means. Moreover, the money stayed intact as given to Cooper through the transportation and was found undisturbed by human hands in 1980. That may suggest the fate of the money (in a bag) and the fate of Cooper, may not be linked. Or, if they are linked, Cooper may have made it to the Columbia with the money bag in tact and thrown the whole bag into the Columbia, satisfied that his 'grudge' had accomplished its mission. 

Cooper doesnt have to follow the profile of any other hijacker. Cooper may be unique ?

Edited September 25, 2023 by georger

[olemisscub 511]

49 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

OR,, Cooper gave the ride some cash.... ensuring it wouldn't be reported.

I maintain that this is a realistic scenario for the money find. A person who just realized he had become an unwitting accomplice to a capital crime. Kills two hypothetical birds with one stone: explains money find and explains why no one came forward. 
 

 

[georger 244]

9 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I maintain that this is a realistic scenario for the money find. A person who just realized he had become an unwitting accomplice to a capital crime. Kills two hypothetical birds with one stone: explains money find and explains why no one came forward. 
 

 

How does it explain the money find ?  

In the 'throw bag into river' scenario 10,000 twenty dollar bills are being distributed into the river. Odds are some of it will turn up somewhere. Throwing the money into the Columbia sets the odds to result in a Tena Bar money find. 

In your theory there is no guarantee, not even a probability, that money turns up on a sandbar of any river at all. 

The sandbar money finds requires that the money had to be in a position to wind up on a sandbar, in the first place! Money being found at TBar is no accident but a causal fact requiring previous steps.

Edited September 25, 2023 by georger

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

28 minutes ago, georger said:

How does it explain the money find ?  

In the 'throw bag into river' scenario 10,000 twenty dollar bills are being distributed into the river. Odds are some of it will turn up somewhere. Throwing the money into the Columbia sets the odds to result in a Tena Bar money find. 

In your theory there is no guarantee, not even a probability, that money turns up on a sandbar of any river at all. 

The sandbar money finds requires that the money had to be in a position to wind up on a sandbar, in the first place! Money being found at TBar is no accident but a causal fact requiring previous steps.

Whoever gave him a ride would of had to have held on to the money until June to work with the diatom evidence. You’d think  if the guy got spooked he would of disposed of it immediately like in TK’s scenario of the fisherman who gave cooper a ride and got some money, was fishing on tbar the next morning and heard the news on the radio, disposed of it then and there. But sitting on it for that long then going and burying it on tbar doesn’t make sense. Granted dunking it in the Columbia would be good to remove your prints off the money. Let’s say he disposed of it somewhere else the next day in the CR flood plane and it got picked up, well the rubber bands would of been long gone by June. 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Nicholas Broughton

[FLYJACK 714]

17 minutes ago, Slim King said:

WHY IS THAT? The rubber bands could be in any condition.

Wrong as usual Slim...

The rubber bands were brittle and crumbled when touched... that proves the money was NOT just buried.

The money had been there for some time..