JAGdb 89 #64176 January 28 Doctor Edwards does NOT fail to stir the pot with this one: https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/25459564-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-the-t-33s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64177 January 28 1 hour ago, JAGdb said: Doctor Edwards does NOT fail to stir the pot with this one: https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/25459564-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-the-t-33s The transcript from the missing video is.. 2:30 - was a dark early evening 5:30-6 o’clock and i turned my lights off so that they/he wouldn’t see me but I flew behind him north of the Columbia River it was a 727 and the back door was down and so I could see in the airplane and I didn’t see any movement and where he went I have no idea but I say and I told them and I said he's north of the Columbia River somewhere he knew where to bail out at the right time and that’s why I am sure he was out before I got to the airplane. The time is wrong, but the interview was almost 50 years later. The rest makes sense. I have done an analysis that confirms Soderlind's 8:11 jump time.. Cooper's jump time is no longer debatable. Cooper could not have jumped after 8:11. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 89 #64178 January 28 6 hours ago, FLYJACK said: The transcript from the missing video is.. 2:30 - was a dark early evening 5:30-6 o’clock and i turned my lights off so that they/he wouldn’t see me but I flew behind him north of the Columbia River it was a 727 and the back door was down and so I could see in the airplane and I didn’t see any movement and where he went I have no idea but I say and I told them and I said he's north of the Columbia River somewhere he knew where to bail out at the right time and that’s why I am sure he was out before I got to the airplane. The time is wrong, but the interview was almost 50 years later. The rest makes sense. I have done an analysis that confirms Soderlind's 8:11 jump time.. Cooper's jump time is no longer debatable. Cooper could not have jumped after 8:11. If the stairs recoil and close significantly without weight on the stairs as has been discussed, how could the pilot see into the plane ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64179 January 28 3 hours ago, JAGdb said: If the stairs recoil and close significantly without weight on the stairs as has been discussed, how could the pilot see into the plane ? Would have been open 2-3 feet.. I wonder about the lighting.. Did Cooper have the stairwell light on? There is a switch on the interphone panel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #64180 January 29 21 hours ago, JAGdb said: Doctor Edwards does NOT fail to stir the pot with this one: https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/25459564-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-the-t-33s He's milking the goat now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cooper Vortex 100 #64181 January 29 New episode out now! DB Cooper Book Review Part 1 with my good friend Nicole Legg. https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-book-review-part-1-nicole-legg/ Enjoy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64182 January 29 (edited) some errors... minus 7 deg F,, jumped at 8:17 Ulis's theory,, Cooper buried and returned... Money not bound any other way.. 3 separate packets..had to be hand buried no other possible explanation.. yes there is..it arrived as a single bundle from the river Clip.. Edited January 29 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #64183 January 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, FLYJACK said: some errors... minus 7 deg F,, jumped at 8:17 Ulis's theory,, Cooper buried and returned... Money not bound any other way.. 3 separate packets..had to be hand buried no other possible explanation.. yes there is..it arrived as a single bundle from the river Clip.. You cant make this stuff up! Must be true! Does Ulis consult with anyone before issuing his mind-boggling enhancements of the Cooper case? I guess its beyond human reason or intervention. EU is a case all to himself. Unique and inexplicable. Some people are entitled to break all of the rules with the media covering their every fart! The media has turned the DB Cooper case into a joke. Edited January 29 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DWeber 2 #64184 January 30 EU has named Union Carbide as the source of the tie. Didn’t watch the entire video but sounds like he is using a unique particle involving thorium and uranium to come to that conclusion. Didn’t name a suspect. Has anyone looked into Union Carbide? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #64185 January 30 (edited) 6 hours ago, DWeber said: EU has named Union Carbide as the source of the tie. Didn’t watch the entire video but sounds like he is using a unique particle involving thorium and uranium to come to that conclusion. Didn’t name a suspect. Has anyone looked into Union Carbide? Really! Union Carbide and India connect vis-a-vis thorium and uranium! So the Cooper tie now has a connection to India thanks to EU. Lax safety standards at UC. So, Cooper's grudge was over lax safety standards at Union Carbide. Hmmm. Best way to express that would be to hijack an airline and ask a small amount for compensation to millions of UC employees. In India? There we go! Shri Radjnish Cooper. India's friend at Union Carbide via Eric Ulis. Eric will now be front page news to billions in India! Way to go Eric! एरिक यूलिस एक प्रतिभाशाली व्यक्ति हैं। erik yoolis ek pratibhaashaalee vyakti hain. Edited January 30 by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64186 January 30 (edited) 16 hours ago, DWeber said: EU has named Union Carbide as the source of the tie. Didn’t watch the entire video but sounds like he is using a unique particle involving thorium and uranium to come to that conclusion. Didn’t name a suspect. Has anyone looked into Union Carbide? Here we go again...... It is like finding mustard on the tie and claiming Cooper worked in a mustard factory.. Edited January 30 by FLYJACK 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64187 January 30 (edited) Ryan's new video, he does a very good job, except Cooper did jump at 8:11 not Orchards. Ryan has that wrong. I have new data that corroborates the 8:11 time. Cossey is describing his own rig with the hard pull, not Cooper's.. Ryan's pic of NORJAK didn't debunk the placard.. NORJAK never had that particular (Hick's) placard, it was for a somewhat rare optional emergency airstair release system.. the placard NORJAK had was a different one. This was determined years ago. Edited January 30 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randy233 6 #64188 January 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, FLYJACK said: Ryan's new video @35:48 is one of the most ludicrous Cooper theories i've ever heard. Like Cooper would plan everything around the wedding of a populair high school music teacher in the middle of nowhere: "I gotta get out of the plane now because the people of La Center are at the wedding of the local music teacher!" XD Edited January 30 by randy233 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #64189 January 31 17 hours ago, FLYJACK said: Here we go again...... It is like finding mustard on the tie and claiming Cooper worked in a mustard factory.. And pickles were the grudge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64190 January 31 (edited) 17 hours ago, randy233 said: @35:48 is one of the most ludicrous Cooper theories i've ever heard. Like Cooper would plan everything around the wedding of a populair high school music teacher in the middle of nowhere: "I gotta get out of the plane now because the people of La Center are at the wedding of the local music teacher!" XD This case was not solved and has been so difficult because there are few hard facts... the FBI admitted in 1976 there was not enough evidence to prosecute without Cooper's cooperation and the witness memories had faded. This absence of hard facts leads to speculation and most of it is absurd. IMO, the growth of the FB group has been a negative.. too many people without an adequate case knowledge level immersing themselves into a speculative social soup of bad ideas snd misinformation. A few influencers drive groupthink claiming facts that do not exist.. There have been some really bad ones but the newest bad one is pushed by Ryan and his jester's claiming that it is now known by all that Cooper jumped at Orchards, he claims the FBI has confirmed this now.. This is complete BS but people just believe it. Once bad ideas and lies get entrenched into the group narrative they are very hard to dislodge and correct.. I know this case very well,, There is ZERO evidence for an Orchards jump, it is just made up. There is evidence for the 8:11 jump. Edited January 31 by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CooperNWO305 151 #64191 January 31 On 1/30/2025 at 11:17 AM, FLYJACK said: Here we go again...... It is like finding mustard on the tie and claiming Cooper worked in a mustard factory.. Complete joke. A narcissist in action on YouTube. I don’t use that term often. He has had 3 suspects, I’m sure number 4 is soon to come. Nicky only has had 3, so he has to catch up. There have been a few comments from VP’s daughter asking for an apology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c99acer 7 #64192 January 31 On 1/30/2025 at 12:39 PM, FLYJACK said: Ryan's new video, he does a very good job... Does any one think this "in Search Of" episode airing in December 1979 and the money find two months later as being more than a coincidence? I don't recall much discussion about the timeline of these events. Were there any rewards for money or information still being offered at the time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64193 January 31 8 minutes ago, c99acer said: Does any one think this "in Search Of" episode airing in December 1979 and the money find two months later as being more than a coincidence? I don't recall much discussion about the timeline of these events. Were there any rewards for money or information still being offered at the time? No, the money was buried for much longer than 2 months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DWeber 2 #64194 January 31 2 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said: Complete joke. A narcissist in action on YouTube. I don’t use that term often. He has had 3 suspects, I’m sure number 4 is soon to come. Nicky only has had 3, so he has to catch up. There have been a few comments from VP’s daughter asking for an apology. I think it’s pretty much a guarantee that EU names another suspect soon. Hopefully he vets this one before running to the media but we’ll probably read about it in the Sun. Wouldn’t be surprised if he and Nicky are working on one together as NB seems to be helping push this new angle or at the very least isn’t pushing back like he typically does on suspects and theories that don’t match his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64195 Saturday at 12:31 AM 4 hours ago, DWeber said: I think it’s pretty much a guarantee that EU names another suspect soon. Hopefully he vets this one before running to the media but we’ll probably read about it in the Sun. Wouldn’t be surprised if he and Nicky are working on one together as NB seems to be helping push this new angle or at the very least isn’t pushing back like he typically does on suspects and theories that don’t match his own. What a tangled web we weave..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #64196 Saturday at 10:19 AM (edited) 9 hours ago, FLYJACK said: What a tangled web we weave..... Edwards: 'However, sometime in 2022, a researcher of the Norjak case met Gen. Madson in the Victor-23 brewery in Vancouver, Washington. They had a short but friendly chat, and Gen. Madson told another story. He had intercepted Flight 305 about five miles north of Camas; he had seen the hijacker on the aft airstair; and the hijacker had given him a traditional gesture with a finger.' True or not true? https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog Did Gen. Madson communicate this to the FBI ? Edited Saturday at 10:26 AM by georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
randy233 6 #64197 Saturday at 11:50 AM 19 hours ago, FLYJACK said: This case was not solved and has been so difficult because there are few hard facts... the FBI admitted in 1976 there was not enough evidence to prosecute without Cooper's cooperation and the witness memories had faded. This absence of hard facts leads to speculation and most of it is absurd. IMO, the growth of the FB group has been a negative.. too many people without an adequate case knowledge level immersing themselves into a speculative social soup of bad ideas snd misinformation. A few influencers drive groupthink claiming facts that do not exist.. There have been some really bad ones but the newest bad one is pushed by Ryan and his jester's claiming that it is now known by all that Cooper jumped at Orchards, he claims the FBI has confirmed this now.. This is complete BS but people just believe it. Once bad ideas and lies get entrenched into the group narrative they are very hard to dislodge and correct.. I know this case very well,, There is ZERO evidence for an Orchards jump, it is just made up. There is evidence for the 8:11 jump. I think Ryan is doing great work with his YouTube channel and bringing this case to a bigger audience. A lot of people that never heard of D.B.Cooper might get interested this way and get into the 'Cooper vortex'. Thats how it started for me about 7 years ago when I stumbled on Bruce Smith's YouTube channel. I watched all his videos and got hooked on this case. Before that I didn't even know who D.B. Cooper was. Same goes for the Cooper Vortex podcast: it really helps bringing attention to this case and offers tons of helpfull information. So Ryan has his opinion on where Cooper landed and that is okay as long as he doesn't present it as a fact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JAGdb 89 #64198 Saturday at 12:51 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, georger said: Edwards: 'However, sometime in 2022, a researcher of the Norjak case met Gen. Madson in the Victor-23 brewery in Vancouver, Washington. They had a short but friendly chat, and Gen. Madson told another story. He had intercepted Flight 305 about five miles north of Camas; he had seen the hijacker on the aft airstair; and the hijacker had given him a traditional gesture with a finger.' True or not true? https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog Did Gen. Madson communicate this to the FBI ? If this was true, it would turn the case on it's head. It would raise so many questions as to how it could have been ignored or not known by the FBI. There's no way anyone would have suggested Ariel as a drop zone with this information. Because of this, I have to dismiss this outright. I do wonder who the "researcher" is or was that relayed this story. The other part of Dr. Edward's post that I found interesting was the comment from the chase plane pilot regarding that 305 was changing course "Flight 305 was changing course 45 degrees every 30 seconds". Can this tell us anything useful ? Does it support auto pilot or non auto pilot? If it suggests being hand flown, why was the pilot of 305, flying in this manner ? How many of these course changes were observed i.e. was it observed for 5 minutes, 10 minutes ? Is it reflected anywhere in the "official" flight path map ? Is it a nothing burger ? Edited Saturday at 12:52 PM by JAGdb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64199 Saturday at 03:28 PM (edited) 5 hours ago, georger said: Edwards: 'However, sometime in 2022, a researcher of the Norjak case met Gen. Madson in the Victor-23 brewery in Vancouver, Washington. They had a short but friendly chat, and Gen. Madson told another story. He had intercepted Flight 305 about five miles north of Camas; he had seen the hijacker on the aft airstair; and the hijacker had given him a traditional gesture with a finger.' True or not true? https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2500530.Robert_H_Edwards/blog Did Gen. Madson communicate this to the FBI ? It wasn't Edwards. it was a "researcher" However, sometime in 2022, a researcher of the Norjak case met Gen. Madson in the Victor-23 brewery in Vancouver, Washington. They had a short but friendly chat, and Gen. Madson told another story. He had intercepted Flight 305 about five miles north of Camas; he had seen the hijacker on the aft airstair; and the hijacker had given him a traditional gesture with a finger. A random unverifiable bar story.. PASS Edited Saturday at 03:43 PM by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYJACK 711 #64200 Saturday at 03:35 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, randy233 said: I think Ryan is doing great work with his YouTube channel and bringing this case to a bigger audience. A lot of people that never heard of D.B.Cooper might get interested this way and get into the 'Cooper vortex'. Thats how it started for me about 7 years ago when I stumbled on Bruce Smith's YouTube channel. I watched all his videos and got hooked on this case. Before that I didn't even know who D.B. Cooper was. Same goes for the Cooper Vortex podcast: it really helps bringing attention to this case and offers tons of helpfull information. So Ryan has his opinion on where Cooper landed and that is okay as long as he doesn't present it as a fact. I disagree,, Ryan has brought attention to the case and new people but it has undermined the legit advancement of the case.. It has turned into a social group where bad ideas and false evidence gets spread like a virus... and yes Ryan does claim opinions as facts, most people now think Cooper jumped at Orchards because Ryan and his jester's keep repeating it,,, it is complete BS. Most think Cunningham's revised time's on the flightpath are real.. they are not. We have suspects who are not Cooper being flogged.. IMO, this is not good for the case. Too much time is spent on bad ideas, bad suspects and theories... and try and correct them after they get traction, impossible. It is fine for a social group but it is not a serious endeavour. Edited Saturday at 03:45 PM by FLYJACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
