DB Cooper

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1 hour ago, randy233 said:

When is this unknown image of Cooper that you have going to be made public?

Not sure, but I assume when I finish my research which about 95% done but as everybody knows that can move really slow in this case. Some things have taken years to resolve.

I have shared it with some privately,,  not Ryan, it would go right into his book.

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

Not sure, but I assume when I finish my research which about 95% done but as everybody knows that can move really slow in this case. Some things have taken years to resolve.

I have shared it with some privately,,  not Ryan, it would go right into his book.

The thought that Fly owes anyone anything is laughable. The Vortex can’t keep a secret. It’s full of back channel conversations and snakes. I’ve seen enough of his info to know he’s got it. I don’t see everything. For the six or so years I’ve been following him, I can say he’s consistent. 
 

As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. The old group who used to have legit discussions is practically gone. We rarely hear from them. Bruce, Shutter, R99, etc. Facebook added a lot of people but only a small group of them have added anything useful. There are a few guys who questioned the Barb/Clara BS, but they were drowned out.

The A sketch and thin nose and new flight path and drop zone would never have gone without discussion back then. Hall, Vordhal either. Nicky would have been banned and EU would have been shut down. 

Facebook is a social group. Very little legit discussion. Cunningham has been wrong so many times and argued every single point. The fact that his flight path was not questioned is ridiculous. 
 

Larry has been great for the case, but saying “The FBI believes…” is not accurate. It’s a loose play on words. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The thought that Fly owes anyone anything is laughable. The Vortex can’t keep a secret. It’s full of back channel conversations and snakes. I’ve seen enough of his info to know he’s got it. I don’t see everything. For the six or so years I’ve been following him, I can say he’s consistent. 
 

As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. The old group who used to have legit discussions is practically gone. We rarely hear from them. Bruce, Shutter, R99, etc. Facebook added a lot of people but only a small group of them have added anything useful. There are a few guys who questioned the Barb/Clara BS, but they were drowned out.

The A sketch and thin nose and new flight path and drop zone would never have gone without discussion back then. Hall, Vordhal either. Nicky would have been banned and EU would have been shut down. 

Facebook is a social group. Very little legit discussion. Cunningham has been wrong so many times and argued every single point. The fact that his flight path was not questioned is ridiculous. 
 

Larry has been great for the case, but saying “The FBI believes…” is not accurate. It’s a loose play on words. 

 

 

Also. Fly rarely talks about Hahnemann. Ryan, to be fair, you are the one who brings him up. If Hahneman was proven to not be Cooper, all of Fly’s research still stands in its own. He doesn’t push Hahnemann. You have a beef with Fly and keep referring to his choice of Hahnemann as a suspect. Let it go. We all have our suspects. It’s the details of the case he focuses on. 

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39 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The thought that Fly owes anyone anything is laughable. The Vortex can’t keep a secret. It’s full of back channel conversations and snakes. I’ve seen enough of his info to know he’s got it. I don’t see everything. For the six or so years I’ve been following him, I can say he’s consistent. 
 

As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. The old group who used to have legit discussions is practically gone. We rarely hear from them. Bruce, Shutter, R99, etc. Facebook added a lot of people but only a small group of them have added anything useful. There are a few guys who questioned the Barb/Clara BS, but they were drowned out.

The A sketch and thin nose and new flight path and drop zone would never have gone without discussion back then. Hall, Vordhal either. Nicky would have been banned and EU would have been shut down. 

Facebook is a social group. Very little legit discussion. Cunningham has been wrong so many times and argued every single point. The fact that his flight path was not questioned is ridiculous. 
 

Larry has been great for the case, but saying “The FBI believes…” is not accurate. It’s a loose play on words. 

 

 

That is a good point, Ryan belittles the DZ but Cunningham's fake map times, the Barb/Clara nonsense, Hall, Vordahl, sketch A, Orchards, Cunningham's silly sunglasses would never get traction if presented and vetted here.. They get oxygen on FB where a small group drives the narrative.

The entire RemCru metallurgy Ti patent thing was bogus...  many here rightly dismissed it.

FB is a social group, it has its place but it is a net negative for the advancement of the case. A petri dish of bad ideas, bad logic, bad suspects and bad analysis.

Many who know too little influenced by a few who think they know it all. What could go wrong.

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New episode out now! DB Cooper Book Review Part 2 with my good friend Nicole Legg. Enjoy!

 

https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-xsdkx-17f8cc6

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15 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I have shared it with some privately,,  not Ryan, it would go right into his book.

not sure why I'd put a sketch of Bill in my book

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15 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. 

What is the point of having a forum and discussions if only three people dictate who is right or wrong and bully the ones they disagree with? DZ becomes a circle jerk that is hostile towards outsiders, newcomers and people who have different opinions. That is not good for the case. 

For the record: I don't care about all the ridiculous suspects like Barb Dayton, Vince Peterson et al either. I think its a waste of time and energy. If we ever find Coopers identity it will be a name we've never heard before.

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21 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Skip has two prominent facial bumps, a scar, a crooked eyebrow, severe forehead lines and eye wrinkles,, 100% NOT COOPER, you never question it and even claim he is #1 on your matrix.

 

Not looking like Cooper hasn't stopped you from chasing as a suspect one of the only middle aged white men in America in 1971 who doesn't even remotely look like any Cooper sketch ever created yet looks remarkably similar to his own sketch. Skip didn't have a scar fwiw. The majority of the photographs of him and his interview come from 1968 when the Warren Commission stuff occurred and he happened to have a cut on his face for whatever reason. It appears in no other photos of him. 

And yes, he's #1 on my matrix, just a smidge above Braden. So what? My matrix is a list of things that I consider that Cooper needs to have: smoker/drinker/complexion/opportunity/parachute training/aviation history/knew PNW and about a dozen other things. Sorry it seems to bother you so much. Your fella is on there and scored 5th out of 24, tying with Langseth. He'd be a fine suspect if he actually looked anything like Cooper and wasn't so wee. 

And I don't need your respect. I don't respect you either. You're wholly agenda driven for Hahneman. Your research is nothing but an attempt to prove your own biases and to be proven right. If Hahneman had a small nose, you'd be all aboard the small nose train. If he looked like Comp A, you'd be all aboard the Comp A train. It's transparent to everyone paying attention. You view this case as a competition, which is why you're such a dick to everyone who disagrees with you.

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1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

not sure why I'd put a sketch of Bill in my book

It is an undisclosed image of Cooper. I have made that clear.

YES, it is big and would go right in your book.

Why you have this persistent need to misrepresent facts in abundantly clear.

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15 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Not looking like Cooper hasn't stopped you from chasing as a suspect one of the only middle aged white men in America in 1971 who doesn't even remotely look like any Cooper sketch ever created yet looks remarkably similar to his own sketch. Skip didn't have a scar fwiw. The majority of the photographs of him and his interview come from 1968 when the Warren Commission stuff occurred and he happened to have a cut on his face for whatever reason. It appears in no other photos of him. 

And yes, he's #1 on my matrix, just a smidge above Braden. So what? My matrix is a list of things that I consider that Cooper needs to have: smoker/drinker/complexion/opportunity/parachute training/aviation history/knew PNW and about a dozen other things. Sorry it seems to bother you so much. Your fella is on there and scored 5th out of 24, tying with Langseth. He'd be a fine suspect if he actually looked anything like Cooper and wasn't so wee. 

And I don't need your respect. I don't respect you either. You're wholly agenda driven for Hahneman. Your research is nothing but an attempt to prove your own biases and to be proven right. If Hahneman had a small nose, you'd be all aboard the small nose train. If he looked like Comp A, you'd be all aboard the Comp A train. It's transparent to everyone paying attention. You view this case as a competition, which is why you're such a dick to everyone who disagrees with you.

Your opinion of Hahneman is irrelevant. Your judgement is terrible. You don't have all the images or evidence I have. His look changes, his hair style and weight, for the collection pics I have he looks like three completely different people. Believe it or not his sketch was shown to witnesses and some said it was not him..  So far, there is nothing that eliminates him. I have even discovered a big error that the FBI made.

As for skip, he has a scar in that video and two noticeable bumps on his face close to his mouth, I posted this earlier. His forehead and eye wrinkles are obvious and severe and no witness ever mentioned that. He is not Cooper based on the obvious evidence. You keep defending him to defend Limbach, it is clear he can't be Cooper with those extreme facial features alone plus zero connection to the case. Skip is a joke.

As for your matrix,, Skip who is clearly not Cooper is #1, don't you think that proves your matrix is flawed.. perhaps having severe forehead and eye lines should be a big negative.. it makes your matrix worthless to have somebody #1 who clearly is not Cooper.. just sayin.

Maybe, you should do a vid explaining your matrix.. to make it clear to people, maybe you can improve it.

I did a matrix with close to 200 points..  and it does get tricky because you don't have all the info you need for each suspect.. For example what does he drink? If that is known for one but not known for another it becomes a bias.

You don't know Cooper's height.. You keep using your own opinion to eliminate people under 5' 10". Hahneman was between 5' 9" and 5' 10" in shoes..  The FBI used 5' 8" as the lower bound for Cooper suspects even going lower for strong suspects. You once again claim to know more than the FBI. Many witnesses pegged Hahneman at 5' 10", 5' 11" and and many at 6 feet..  the initial Cooper description was from 5' 9", it was updated to 5' 10" due to reflect Tina. There is no evidence other than in your own mind that Cooper could not be between 5' 9" and 5' 10".. and must be over 5' 10". This is a provably absurd position you have.

And using your opinion to eliminate is a rookie move. Use facts. It isn't just you many do this..

You have posted lies and misrepresentations of the evidence regarding Hahneman so the bias is with you. You clearly have a bias against Hahneman, you make him shorter than he was, you ridicule his glasses, you lied repeatedly about the FBI file evidence. You distort reality to fit your own bias and support an irrational opinion.

The fact is I have been researching Hahneman for a long time and it goes very very slow.. it is not finished. I have not found anything that eliminates him, but also can't put him on the plane though I am trying to obtain the evidence that could put a suspect on the plane (any suspect). So, I am not finished. If solid evidence pops up that eliminates him then so be it but I am not going to use speculation to eliminate a legit suspect. That is the mistake you and most people have made.

Do you ever wonder why I stopped talking about my Hahneman research years ago... 

Think about it.

 

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1 hour ago, randy233 said:

What is the point of having a forum and discussions if only three people dictate who is right or wrong and bully the ones they disagree with? DZ becomes a circle jerk that is hostile towards outsiders, newcomers and people who have different opinions. That is not good for the case. 

For the record: I don't care about all the ridiculous suspects like Barb Dayton, Vince Peterson et al either. I think its a waste of time and energy. If we ever find Coopers identity it will be a name we've never heard before.

TBH. DZ isn't really a place for newbies..  not that they aren't welcome.

The people here have a very high case knowledge level and since the learning curve is massive there isn't anything new a newbie can bring to the case. We have thought it or heard it all before. It is hard for a newbie to get into or grasp the discussions.

IMO, I have said it before but the problem is people even Cooper veterans use speculation to reject suspects or theories. This case is still in the investigative phase and you can't do that. You use facts and evidence to reject or eliminate. If you use conjecture you may be blocking a legitimate line of enquiry..

My problem with Ryan and others that have done this is that they misrepresent the facts or elevate an opinion to fact then use that to reject a line of inquiry.. A strawman. It is irrational and counterproductive. This case is unique in that it wasn't solved, something or some error caused it to remain unsolved, using assumptions, opinions or conjecture to reject what may be true does not advance this case it stifles it. Your bias should be open until the facts/evidence prove otherwise.

The other fallacy is that we all are processing the same information, we aren't and that causes conflict. 

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On 1/27/2025 at 10:53 AM, FLYJACK said:

Skip Hall 1968 interview....

He shows extreme forehead lines and big creases from the outside of the eyes down over the cheeks..

He also has a large growth on his left side above the mouth next to the moustache.. very prominent in motion video, harder to see in a still.. another growth on the right side below the nostril..  and a small mole/mark upper left cheek as well as an obvious scar. 

No NORJAK witness mentioned any of these unique features,,, ELIMINATED

Of course, nobody pointed this out to Limbach..

 

 

 

Forehead lines and cheek scar. Large Growth above mouth.

Cheek scar, large growth. 2 of them.

growth above mouth scar and mole/mark

 

scar, mole and 2 growths.

Severe creases...

 

 

A reminder for Skip Hall... 

Look, several bumps on his face near mouth plus a scar on cheek plus wrong hair plus severe forehead wrinkles plus severe eye wrinkles = NOT COOPER

and this is Ryan's #1 suspect on his matrix....  something wrong with your matrix.

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6 hours ago, randy233 said:

What is the point of having a forum and discussions if only three people dictate who is right or wrong and bully the ones they disagree with? DZ becomes a circle jerk that is hostile towards outsiders, newcomers and people who have different opinions. That is not good for the case. 

For the record: I don't care about all the ridiculous suspects like Barb Dayton, Vince Peterson et al either. I think its a waste of time and energy. If we ever find Coopers identity it will be a name we've never heard before.

The 'problem' is No Evidence. No finger prints, no dna, no anything. Just people's statements about descriptions and artist profiles of people's contradicting descriptions followed by people's arguments about descriptions. People cant even agree on where Cooper jumped! Its the same as trying to dig a hole with no tools. Or where to even put the hole! That will go on forever or until people wear out and move on ...  the lack of hard evidence has been decisive in this case. Then Tom Kaye jumps in and gives us 200,000,000 particles to think about! The Cooper Case is in gridlock unable to move.

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1 hour ago, georger said:

The 'problem' is No Evidence. No finger prints, no dna, no anything. Just people's statements about descriptions and artist profiles of people's contradicting descriptions followed by people's arguments about descriptions. People cant even agree on where Cooper jumped! Its the same as trying to dig a hole with no tools. Or where to even put the hole! That will go on forever or until people wear out and move on ...  the lack of hard evidence has been decisive in this case. Then Tom Kaye jumps in and gives us 200,000,000 particles to think about! The Cooper Case is in gridlock unable to move.

Yeah, you nailed it: this is the D.B.Cooper case and the Vortex in a nuttshell. Then there is also the TB money find which doesn't answer any questions but only makes things more bizarre and complicated.

This case, and the lack of evidence to work with, is so frustrating but at the same time it is the reason why so many people are intrigued and obsessed with it. It is a double-edged sword.

Edited February 13 by randy233

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9 hours ago, randy233 said:

What is the point of having a forum and discussions if only three people dictate who is right or wrong and bully the ones they disagree with? DZ becomes a circle jerk that is hostile towards outsiders, newcomers and people who have different opinions. That is not good for the case. 

For the record: I don't care about all the ridiculous suspects like Barb Dayton, Vince Peterson et al either. I think its a waste of time and energy. If we ever find Coopers identity it will be a name we've never heard before.

The circle jerk is Facebook. DZ will remain a necessity as long as Facebook remains a social group dominated by a few cliques. Most of the posts are memes and pics and worthless statements, followed by comments saying “Great post. Wow. Can’t wait. You’re awesome. Great find. You solved it. I believe it”. Not to mention that both pages have pretty much duplicate posts.

 

EU and Nicky’s page could go away. One is enough. 
 

Are you getting bullied here? We need more discussion over here. Join in. 

Edited February 13 by CooperNWO305

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11 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Not looking like Cooper hasn't stopped you from chasing as a suspect one of the only middle aged white men in America in 1971 who doesn't even remotely look like any Cooper sketch ever created yet looks remarkably similar to his own sketch. Skip didn't have a scar fwiw. The majority of the photographs of him and his interview come from 1968 when the Warren Commission stuff occurred and he happened to have a cut on his face for whatever reason. It appears in no other photos of him. 

And yes, he's #1 on my matrix, just a smidge above Braden. So what? My matrix is a list of things that I consider that Cooper needs to have: smoker/drinker/complexion/opportunity/parachute training/aviation history/knew PNW and about a dozen other things. Sorry it seems to bother you so much. Your fella is on there and scored 5th out of 24, tying with Langseth. He'd be a fine suspect if he actually looked anything like Cooper and wasn't so wee. 

And I don't need your respect. I don't respect you either. You're wholly agenda driven for Hahneman. Your research is nothing but an attempt to prove your own biases and to be proven right. If Hahneman had a small nose, you'd be all aboard the small nose train. If he looked like Comp A, you'd be all aboard the Comp A train. It's transparent to everyone paying attention. You view this case as a competition, which is why you're such a dick to everyone who disagrees with you.

 

11 hours ago, olemisscub said:

If Hahneman had a small nose, you'd be all aboard the small nose train. If he looked like Comp A, you'd be all aboard the Comp A train. It's transparent to everyone paying attention. 

It’s not transparent to me. You’ve used that argument on me and WJS. It’s not like there are 10 sketches. There are 2 main ones. The FBI thought B was the best. Anyone who followed B would be following what the FBI and conventional thought believed. There would be no reason to follow A. EU liked A because he thought it matched Sheridan. That was shoved down our throats. Many people claim the sketches are useless. I don’t believe that myself, but some do. 
 

Saying Fly (a solid researcher, one of the best, probably the best) likes B because of a suspect is not fair. He follows the evidence. His theories for Hahneman focus very little on the sketch. From what I can tell, his issue is that you are focused on the A sketch, which goes against what the FBI believes. Not one agent, the FBI as a whole. I still don’t see how A beats B when you lay out all the info. So when the revisionist history keeps coming from multiple people about multiple parts of the case, it dilutes thing. Like EU’s big announcements. We can’t keep having all these new ideas that are really just ideas. I’ve asked you to tell both sides of the story on this case and suspects. The sketches is a good area to use that approach. Take Fly out of it. Tell the story. And not just on YouTube. Long videos get buried and people don’t watch as much as we’d like to think. Subscribers and viewers does not equal actual engagement. 

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The sketch is a likeness,, and the evidence is clear sketch B is the best likeness.

I don't know how anyone unbiased can process the evidence and claim A is better,,,

 

The FBI claimed B was the best likeness

The undisclosed Cooper image I have looks close to B

Sketch B process was more comprehensive

Sketch A doesn't even look human

It is never a good idea to have several witnesses grouped together giving evidence.

Murphy was liked very much by the witnesses well before sketch B was created and he matches B extremely well, not A 

 

Look how close B matches Murphy... almost perfect. 

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7 hours ago, randy233 said:

Yeah, you nailed it: this is the D.B.Cooper case and the Vortex in a nuttshell. Then there is also the TB money find which doesn't answer any questions but only makes things more bizarre and complicated.

This case, and the lack of evidence to work with, is so frustrating but at the same time it is the reason why so many people are intrigued and obsessed with it. It is a double-edged sword.

I dont think Ive ever seen a 'problem' that seems to generate so many unorthodox solutions-machinations and exceptions/screwups! For example, God forbid that the Tena Bar money is due to something ordinary or predictable! It had to be due to something special, unusual,  or even exceptional ........... something only a person like EU could stumble on or decipher. Or mind melding and metaphysics. Things beyond ordinary psychology and reality. 

God forbid Cooper was relaxing somewhere two months after the hijacking thinking to himself: 'God that was easy! I got away with it! I think I'm free. Those people are going to be chasing their tails for the next 100 years'.      

Edited February 14 by georger

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The TBAR bundle was 3 packets.. the banks typically have them in 5's.

 

There are reports of the number of packets in a bundle being randomized...

If so, the TBAR bundle may have been given to Cooper as a group of 3 packets.

 

"It's all from one bundle"

"There is certain information only known to us and the hijacker"

"he stuffed it in a bag tied to his waist and parachuted out the back door"

 

 

 

Edited February 14 by FLYJACK

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The recorded times ranged from 8:10 to 8:13... from different sources and recording methods.

It was determined to be 8:11.

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Another Cossey lie about the chutes... to Tosaw.

Cossey claims he got back the chute left in the plane and was paid $50 for the back chute Cooper used..  They were Hayden's, he got back the one left behind and was paid.

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The "civilian" parachute myth that never really was....

The tan chute container left and returned to Hayden was a circa 1939-1944 P2-B-24, it was a civilian chute as in sold to the public, Some military did use it. 

The other missing chute was likely NOT an NB6 but an Olive Drab military version similar to the Hayden's tan one. There were many slight variations and model numbers.

So, that tan chute in the Museum now was a civilian chute while the one Cooper used was a military version.

The harness was changed.

Edited February 15 by FLYJACK

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Popping a cork,,,, the gauges immediately showed the change n pressure.

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This is Ryan's juvenile analysis of Hahneman... something I'd expect from Blevins.

"It’s really very bad IMO. His head is not the right shape, has tiny thin bird lips, bit of a bulbous shaped nose, was missing some teeth, made no effort to keep the passengers in the dark, had them exit the plane out the aft stairs, used a pistol, talked a lot, gave away personal details, wore glasses, 5’8, acted bizarrely, claimed he had an army waiting for him in Honduras, oddly asked for his $303,000 in $500’s and $1000’s, which took many hours to procure, and on and on."

This is juvenile, it contains inaccuracies, contextual distortions, irrelevancies and excludes 95% of the info on him. Ryan has cherry picked a few things and misrepresented them.. 

I suggest that people just keep an open mind and DO NOT accept anything that comes from Ryan. He does not have all the info, misrepresents and distorts a few things to support HIS opinion. He really does not know what he is taking about. Ryan is probably the smartest guy in the Vortex but he is just as susceptible to confirmation bias as anyone. He is twisting the little evidence he knows to fit his opinion..  He is not a rational actor. Ryan is misrepresenting Hahneman's evidence to justify his own bias.

Nobody should accept Hahneman as Cooper based on public info but I would highly recommend keeping an open mind and do not incorporate anything Ryan claims. He misrepresents the little evidence he has.

I really don't want to discuss Hahneman or debate this publicly because this is not the right time, place or format...  it is a very big and complex topic. It needs to be presented properly with all the evidence to back it up.. this is what I am working on.. Ryan's little misinformation discrediting campaign is an amateur sideshow that only serves his own bias. not the Vortex.

 

Things he has wrong. lied about or distorted.

His head was described mostly as oval and even triangular. Some witnesses shown his sketch said it was not him.. He looks completely different in different pics. Ryan is relying on one poor AI enhanced image.

He has thinner lips, thinner upper and a lower protruding, the first Cooper description said thin lips. Both have a "sort of" protruding lower lip.

His nose isn't really bulbous, Ryan is using an AI altered image from a poor original... I hate that AI crap Ryan uses, it distorts evidence.. like Cunningham's FP time adjustments. Amateur. Ryan has distorted Cooper into his own image. 

Teeth, he was missing two upper bicuspids, noticed by one witness, those are the ones in front of the molar's removed to straighten teeth. Very very hard to see. Ryan has lied about the teeth many times. The FBI files say missing several upper sides,,, Ryan lied and said he was missing half his teeth, later upper and lower.. both false. Ryan has all the FBI files and still misrepresents them publicly,,,   Ryan uses exaggerations and hyperbolic language to discredit Hahneman. Why does Ryan need to lie about the evidence..  answer..  he has to support his own bias. Ryan is dishonest with himself..

He used a gun AND claimed a briefcase bomb and threatened to shoot the bomb in the briefcase. The bomb turned out to be fake. You can't keep the passengers in the dark when you use a gun, DUH. He tried to obtain a gun in 1971 but couldn't. He obtained it weeks before his hijacking. Cooper was asked by the crew if he wanted to let the passenger's know... Cooper was passive in that event. It was not something he initiated or demanded. 

Passengers exiting out the back stairs is an improvement. For Cooper the crew could have run off the plane using front stairs.

Personal details he discussed were half truth's, many were lies mixed with some facts. His hijacking was much much longer than Cooper's.

He started in regular glasses and changed to sunglasses. He wore prescription sunglasses. Alice said Cooper's sunglasses looked prescription. Ryan leaves that out.

He was not 5' 8" in shoes, Ryan persists in making him shorter to fit his bias. He was between 5'9" and 5'10" in shoes,, many witnesses estimated his height up to 6'... Even the FBI states that a Cooper suspect as low as 5'8" can't be eliminated on that basis.. Ryan has made up his own arbitrary height threshold. Ryan does not know Cooper's height and apparently he doesn't know Hahneman's height in shoes either. Hahneman's ave height was 5'9.5"... Cooper was 5'10.5" with a much smaller sample size. That isn't dispositive.

The reason he asked for large denominations was to delay so he could jump at night. Cooper planned a night jump.

BONUS.. It was reported in newspapers that Hahneman put a noose around the Captains neck.. this is false, he did not. Many use this false report to distort Hahneman's behaviour.

 

Ryan will never accept the facts as they are, he has proven that he will continue to spread false information to fit his own bias. By trashing Hahneman publicly, Ryan is trying to convince himself he is right on Hahneman.. 

 

None of these are dispositive as Ryan insinuates... if he wants to reject him that is fine I have zero respect for Ryan's analytical ability but it needs to be clear that he is distorting the evidence he has to fit his own bias.. and he doesn't know what he doesn't know. I have a-lot of evidence Ryan does not have and while I can't put a anyone on the plane, there is nothing that eliminates him so far. I have even discovered a big FBI error.

IMO, Ryan being a prominent Vortex influencer is a complete disaster... his bias is undermining the investigative stage of the case, just ignore his analysis on many things.. He just isn't very good at processing information, as smart as he is his personal bias gets in the way.

Unfortunately due to his over-exposure people elevate his opinions to fact...  that is a big mistake. 

I am at the stage where if Ryan has an opinion, assume the opposite until independently proven otherwise. He is that unreliable especially on the big stuff.

[olemisscub 521]

I think you know deep down that you're suffering from Sunken Cost Fallacy at this point. Hahneman is a really, really poor match for Cooper. You have to cherry pick like crazy to make things fit for him from a physical standpoint. 

Edited February 15 by olemisscub