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[CooperNWO305 158]

Ryan’s YouTube video. Oh boy. 

[FLYJACK 745]

This is Ryan's nonsense..

Flyjack is being overly critical by attacking Skip for having forehead wrinkles when he raises his eyebrows up. Damn near everyone does. Besides, the sketches literally have pronounced forehead wrinkles. Multiple witnesses picked out foreheads from the "facial lines" category. So Cooper must have had enough forehead wrinkles for witnesses to 1. notice them in the first place, and 2. remember that he had them well enough for them to be able to pick out foreheads from the facial lines category.

Hell, Flyjack calling attention to the forehead wrinkles may actually be a strength for Skip. His resting forehead wrinkles are actually a good match for the sketch.

 

For Skip, Ryan tries to dismiss the obvious facial features in several ways.. 

Hyperbole,, attacking Skip, no, pointing out the obvious FACTS...

He ignores the severe lines from Skip's eyes.

He ignores the 4 visible lumps/bumps on his face.

He ignores the mole on his left cheek (Tina's side).

He is minimizing by claiming everyone has forehead lines, duh, of course they do but not like Skip's, those are severe and unique. Witnesses were asked about unique features.

He makes up the claim that Cooper never lifted his eyebrows, ridiculous, in Skip's video interview and images he did often, naturally. 

Then he completely manufactures a claim, that witnesses did notice Skip's forehead lines.. because they used the category in the sketch catalog..

Of course they were shown and asked about forehead lines and NONE mentioned severe forehead lines.. that is part the process. Forehead lines differ and can indicate a suspect. Cooper had normal lines,,, the sketches have normal lines. Skip's are unique, severe, numerous and run very high into his receding area. NO WITNESS described Cooper as having Skip's severe forehead lines. 

Then he claims it is a positive, it helps Skip, this embodies everything wrong with the amateurs influencing this case.. completely delusional and dishonest. An inversion of reality. Gryder level stuff form Ryan.

It isn't nitpicking, it is factual and eliminates him. The witnesses NEVER mentioned Skip's obvious and unique facial features. 

The severe forehead wrinkles.

The severe eye wrinkles.

The 4 noticeable bumps/lumps on his face.

A mole on his left cheek.

 

Not one peep from any witness when asked... 

This is NOT Cooper's face.

For Google searchers.

Proof Skip Hall is not Cooper,

Proof Loran Hall is not Cooper, 

Proof Loran Eugene Hall is not Cooper.

Two obvious bumps/lumps seen here..

 

Hair parted both sides.. extreme forehead lines, dimpled chin and more bumps/lumps of face. His eyes look light not dark brown.

 

Mole, left cheek, Tina's side view.

 

Severe eye wrinkles..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 158]

I remember how people called out Vince Petersen for parting his hair differently than Cooper. 
 

The Facebook has a new fake account that likes to praise Ryan. Khadi Madama. Even has links to other accounts that are fake or don’t go anywhere. This fake user called Ryan “genius” for this forehead wrinkle. These fake account holders are simple to spot. 

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/4/2025 at 6:05 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

I remember how people called out Vince Petersen for parting his hair differently than Cooper. 
 

The Facebook has a new fake account that likes to praise Ryan. Khadi Madama. Even has links to other accounts that are fake or don’t go anywhere. This fake user called Ryan “genius” for this forehead wrinkle. These fake account holders are simple to spot. 

Ryan or anyone who denies Skip's unique facial features vs Cooper has zero cred in anything.. They are just shills..

They can't explain it so they deny and ridicule it.. to dismiss it. It is about as dishonest as you can get.

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/4/2025 at 3:22 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

Ryan’s YouTube video. Oh boy. 

Some commentary on Ryan's YouTube video. I may add more later.  I only watched a few minutes that was relevant to Skip, me, and Fly.

First of all, I really don't mean this with malice Ryan.  But you are very very deep into Cooper, maybe as deep in as I've seen anyone.  You never miss a chance to reply to a thread, anytime something comes up, you do a video.  I honestly don't know how anyone has 3 plus hours to spend on a weekday night doing Cooper videos, or worse, a weekend.  Week in week out.  From an outsider's perpspective, any of us would be considered crazy for even spending a few minutes a week on this.  But you've taken it to a new level.  Hopefully I'm not the first one to tell you this, but you might want to think of ways to step away here and there. I speak from experience, it is nice to do, and you can still keep your eye on the case.  It seems that in the past 18 months or so you've gone even deeper, and in the past maybe 6 months even deeper than that.  There are other things in life.  Hobbies, family, work, friends.  

If you consider some of the people in the Cooper case your best friends, ones you met in your 40s and hardly if ever see, then that seems a little off.  Those are your choices though, not mine.  It seems bad, even unhealthy for you.

Anyhow, on your video.  Fly and I did not leave the main Vortex group because we are ostracized.  Maybe we are, but I assure you we don't care.  I left on my own, Fly never really joined.  He has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which I respect.  He joined Facebok for a bit, but you claim Eric caught him. I don't buy that. Eric does not catch much, even when it is right in front of his face. I'd guess it was you or Nicky.  I communicate with a few people on my own.  There are a lot of people who are nice who really don't say much, and then there are the regulars who frankly I don't have a lot of interest in.  A good number of them are peoople I just don't like.  I didn't grow up with them, they are not family, I did not go to college with them, serve with them, live with them, etc.  So being ostracized by the band kids or the JV volleyball team does not bothere me.  

The Muppets.  Good one.  I use that one a lot. We are showing our age. I think I used that to refer to Georger and Robert once.  Oh well.  Fly and I don't bitch, we call you and others out for your constantly shifting ideas.  No one on Facebook seems to do that.  As much as I'd like to leave, I think staying here and on Reddit will allow for people to at least see that there are more sides to the story.

Hahneman.  I've said how to pronounce the name.  You keep saying it your way.  It sounds petty.  You are smart. Learn how to say it.  I was born in Hahneman hospital, spoke pretty good German at one time, my father speaks it, one grandmother, and others in my family.  It really comes across as a petty attack on Fly.

Hall is your suspect right now. You say he's the best out there or the best that comes from the case. Then you say "he's not Cooper", you always play both sides.  Never a straight answer.  You are buddies with John, Nicky, Chris C., etc.  You guys just won't stick with the facts. It is an adult fraternity for you guys. 

More to follow possibly.  You guys went all in on Vordahl.  You were all in on Braden before that.  I joined in 2016 and there were plenty of files available on Cooper, have we really learned so much more in the past 2 years that warrants you changing from Braden to Vordhal to Hall (support)? I don't think so.

Every argument of yours seems to involve using me or Fly or Smith or Hahneman.  It is obvious to more than just Fly and myself.  It reminds me of watching MSNBC or reading Twitter.  Someone asked the other day what the best cigars were, and you can't even have a conversation without a bunch of people commenting on Trump's tarrifs.  Fly is now Trump, everything he does is wrong (sorry Fly).  

I get the lawyer tricks.  You are probably conditioned to playing to an audience, but all those tricks are getting old and are bordering on questionable integrity.  I'm sure you are a good lawyer and respected, but the things you do in the case are questionable.  I realize that in law this happens, but we are not a jury, we are not trying to win for our client.  This is not a win lose scenario, in fact it is a lose lose.  We are not really getting anywhere and won't.

The Facebook group is group think.

Please don't text me right after you read this. I want to enjoy my weekend and not think about Cooper.

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/4/2025 at 6:17 PM, FLYJACK said:

Ryan or anyone who denies Skip's unique facial features vs Cooper has zero cred in anything.. They are just shills..

They can't explain it so they deny and ridicule it.. to dismiss it. It is about as dishonest as you can get.

The group went all in on Vordahal.  All in on Barb being Clara.  All in everytime the tie particles get looked at.  The latest all in besides Hall is the A sketch and the small nose.  But what is hilarious is that Hall keeps getting compared to the B sketch, it is on the cover of the book.  Also, he has far from a small nose.  So which is it?  As Ted Kaczynski said "you can't eat your cake and have it too" 

Apparently Cooper is left handed.  I don't see any turkey gobble on Hall.  No color pics.  He's just the latest suspect, there will be more.  This is just one more opportunity to watch the group contradict themselves and then claim that changing your mind is a good thing.

Bottom line is that they need this case and will continue to find things to get excited about.  Please people get some hobbies. Maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend, a new spouse, a harder job, I don't know, something.

[FLYJACK 745]

Hall had a scar above his right eye,, must have been hidden by his massive forehead wrinkles..

 

This is NOT Cooper.

 

[randy233 8]

Flyjack and CooperNWO are the Statler and Waldorf of the Vortex. Salty boomers that made this forum toxic and a place to avoid for anyone who is interested in this case. No wonder the DZ has become a ghost town.

Anyone who agrees with Ryan? FAKE ACCOUNT!!!!

Facebook? GROUP THINK!!!

LOL

 

 

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/6/2025 at 6:28 PM, randy233 said:

Flyjack and CooperNWO are the Statler and Waldorf of the Vortex. Salty boomers that made this forum toxic and a place to avoid for anyone who is interested in this case. No wonder the DZ has become a ghost town.

Anyone who agrees with Ryan? FAKE ACCOUNT!!!!

Facebook? GROUP THINK!!!

LOL

 

 

Brilliant personal insult for a 12 year old.

Ryan's supporters are getting younger.

Edited April 6 by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/6/2025 at 6:28 PM, randy233 said:

Flyjack and CooperNWO are the Statler and Waldorf of the Vortex. Salty boomers that made this forum toxic and a place to avoid for anyone who is interested in this case. No wonder the DZ has become a ghost town.

Anyone who agrees with Ryan? FAKE ACCOUNT!!!!

Facebook? GROUP THINK!!!

LOL

 

 

Gen X and proud! 

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/6/2025 at 9:35 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

Gen X and proud! 

Probably likes Skip Hall....

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/6/2025 at 10:14 PM, FLYJACK said:

Probably likes Skip Hall....

 

Anonymous posters.  2008. 

[FLYJACK 745]

The FBI profile of Cooper..  probably NOT an experienced criminal..

 

[georger 256]

  On 4/8/2025 at 4:34 PM, FLYJACK said:

The FBI profile of Cooper..  probably NOT an experienced criminal..

 

 

She asked him why he picked Northwest Airlines to hijack and he laughed and said “It’s not because I have a grudge against your airlines (plural), it’s just because I have a grudge”. He paused and said ‘that the flight suited his time, place, and plans. (goes to Cooper's background)

. He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ . (goes to Cooper's specific background - very few people would even make this technical association - indicates specific technical background ... Cooper may have ordinance and ordinance arming training in his background.. miner/mining ? Check Duluth MN area ? )  In some venues phones are not allowed to be used around live ordinance ... Cooper may have been speaking from his background ? He says his bomb uses an "electronic" device... that is background and real world specific in his era.

Edited April 9 by georger

[FLYJACK 745]

Skip Hall

 

 

[FLYJACK 745]

Flo liked KK5-1

Well, he does NOT have a small nose... and he looks much more like sketch B than A...

From FBI files..

 

[FLYJACK 745]

The FBI file...

He "indicated" is Tina recalling her impression, not Cooper's exact words.

Cooper was responding to Minneapolis, that suggests he was referring to the characteristics of the people not the physical geography.

We don't know for sure what Cooper meant, only he does. but it is reasonable to conclude that Cooper may have been describing the characteristics of the people in that area.

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/8/2025 at 4:34 PM, FLYJACK said:

The FBI profile of Cooper..  probably NOT an experienced criminal..

 

Hall has ushered in an age of the Chinese buffet in the case.  A little bit of this, a little bit of that.  Pick a little bit of Air America, Elsinore, explosives, parts of the FBI profile, some soldier of fortune, Castro, foundry, titanium, beef lo mein, General Tso's, and some crab rangoon.

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/9/2025 at 2:14 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

Hall has ushered in an age of the Chinese buffet in the case.  A little bit of this, a little bit of that.  Pick a little bit of Air America, Elsinore, explosives, parts of the FBI profile, some soldier of fortune, Castro, foundry, titanium, beef lo mein, General Tso's, and some crab rangoon.

Haha... hilarious. 

I think Duane Weber was the OG Forrest Gump at the Chinese Buffet... the Skip Hall people have just taken over for Jo Weber.. 

Hall is actually very rare for suspects, he can be eliminated due to his unique facial features,, even Vordahl can't be eliminated with facts even though I don't believe he could be Cooper.

The evidence is so weak and vague in this case, It is actually very difficult to eliminate a suspect if you don't know his location during NORJAK and he is close to the description.

Hall can be eliminated.

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:29 AM, FLYJACK said:

Flo liked KK5-1

Well, he does NOT have a small nose... and he looks much more like sketch B than A...

From FBI files..

 

Ryan seems to have an irony deficiency..

[FLYJACK 745]

Interesting comment... would have been nice if we had a witness image side view,,  oh wait...

[FLYJACK 745]

On AI... it is a disaster mostly.

It is like a bad version of wikipedia stripping info from context,,  leading to distorted perceptions.

Those AI images people do in this case are also mostly negative for the case..

We have a witness composite sketch, we have witness statements with conflicting info.. flooding the Cooper environment with processed images distorts the case evidence and pollutes minds. Those "interpreted" images replace and become evidence, they are not. Even though we know they are AI, the human mind will incorporate them into their perceptions.

AI has its place and can organize data but when it strips info of context it becomes a parody of reality. 

Tricky to get it right...  IMO

The FBI FILES are NOT NECESSARILY FACTS OR CONCLUSIONS, they are investigative notes. AI can regurgitate and sort them it can't process them.

AI is like the FORCE in Star Wars,, it can be used for good or bad.

Edited April 10 by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 158]

  On 4/10/2025 at 4:31 PM, FLYJACK said:

On AI... it is a disaster mostly.

It is like a bad version of wikipedia stripping info from context,,  leading to distorted perceptions.

Those AI images people do in this case are also mostly negative for the case..

We have a witness composite sketch, we have witness statements with conflicting info.. flooding the Cooper environment with processed images distorts the case evidence and pollutes minds. Those "interpreted" images replace and become evidence, they are not. Even though we know they are AI, the human mind will incorporate them into their perceptions.

AI has its place and can organize data but when it strips info of context it becomes a parody of reality. 

Tricky to get it right...  IMO

The FBI FILES are NOT NECESSARILY FACTS OR CONCLUSIONS, they are investigative notes. AI can regurgitate and sort them it can't process them.

AI is like the FORCE in Star Wars,, it can be used for good or bad.

Agreed. There will be any number of outputs depending on your input.  Ask a program to make a pic of all the info available is different than saying "make a pic of a man aged 45, brown hair, narrow face, blue eyes, wavy hair" or "make a pic of a middle aged man, wearing these clothes, brown eyes, regular face" or upload a few sketches and then start from there.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder here.  AI is fascinating and has a lot of good uses, but making an accurate sketch of DB Cooper 50 years later is not one of those good uses.

[CooperNWO305 158]

This is the filight map that the PhD students made.  I have not looked at this in a bit, but is this the original map they made, or have they adjusted it?  It seems to have relied heavily on info from Chaucer, but I'm wondering why the times don't match up with the original FBI map, and it seems that there is a mark missing near the Columbia.  The LZ looks to be south of where we had originally thought. Is that a Dr. Edwards thing or a Chaucer?  Frankly I have not seen much of a deep dive into this map.

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f55f8cf3e36a4fdabdf10b4ac031d514

[FLYJACK 745]

  On 4/10/2025 at 8:19 PM, CooperNWO305 said:

This is the filight map that the PhD students made.  I have not looked at this in a bit, but is this the original map they made, or have they adjusted it?  It seems to have relied heavily on info from Chaucer, but I'm wondering why the times don't match up with the original FBI map, and it seems that there is a mark missing near the Columbia.  The LZ looks to be south of where we had originally thought. Is that a Dr. Edwards thing or a Chaucer?  Frankly I have not seen much of a deep dive into this map.

https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f55f8cf3e36a4fdabdf10b4ac031d514

Maybe Cunningham and Ryan can explain their dissemination of fake evidence including a high profile demo at the last CooperCon.... ask them why are times all shifted from the original map.. 

I don't know if Cunningham was the initial inventor of the altered times but advocated this theory as if fact.. He misled the PHD students and they also spread the false times..  The assumption is that because a mark is missing before 8:05 the map creator marked the times wrong.. one off. So, they changed the evidence.. WRONG.

Let's be perfectly clear, this is a theory and is provably false.. not probably, but provably. complete bunk. 

Now, this map and those falsely altered times gets passed off as factual evidence.. Ryan has claimed Cunningham is the expert he defers to.. aka,, throws Cunningham under the bus.

So, we have a small group misleading everyone pushing the jump south and advocating a false jump location. 

Cunningham has always tried to put Cooper in the Columbia R..

Cooper jumped about 8:11...

They distort the evidence then use that lie as proof they figured out the jump zone..

Ryan lied and said the FBI now agrees with them,, they didn't, he was using Carr who is no longer an FBI agent and DOES NOT speak for the FBI..

Do not fall for it. Those altered times are wrong. Their jump zone is wrong.

 

They actually have two errors.

They missed a mark and got the spacing wrong.

and how can a plane travel double the distance in one minute it did in the previous minute,, 

distance from 8:15 to 8:16 is double 8:14 to 8:15… and shifted numbers.

 

and the times have been changed by one minute.

8:10 is really 8:11,, right about where Cooper jumped.

 

I don't know what is going on with FB, if anybody has challenged this or not they blocked me even though I never posted anything ever. What are they afraid of, the truth.

Go ahead ask them to explain it, they can't it is made up.

 

 

Edited April 10 by FLYJACK