DB Cooper

[arfuller 0]

I don't know how LD is related to the case. I guess the FBI thinks Marla's testimony is true. I don't know why. Maybe the five and a half hour polygraph test they gave her could be related to that. Why would the FBI think its interview or polygraph test could be worth anything in a criminal investigation? I dunno. Doesn't make sense does it?

If the fingerprints match should that be considered valid evidence?

The Money Connection

[Farflung 0]

How could LD have been missed by everyone? I blame myself and this sure ends my Shirley MacLaine crusade which I carefully cultivated for years. I’m sure that today the thread will be filled with people who have long feces and I hope they cheer up. I know two things make me happy and that is a bouncy little tune.

http://youtu.be/sLM0yHf3mnE

Yep, I’m fellin’ better already.

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So LD lands. He is injured, so badly (according to Marla) that he cant walk unassisted. Somehow he manages to contact Dewey on his big CB walkie talkie (which somehow he managed to conceal from all witnesses AND secure to his harness for the jump).

LDC: Dewey, can you hear me?
DC: Yeah, where are you? Are you OK?
LDC: I'm hurt Dewey, I cant walk
DC: Tell me where you are.
LDC: In a place with a lot of trees and rocks
DC: Can you see any landmarks?
LDC I cant walk, I can barely crawl. Cant see much

In Viet Nam the SOG guys rendevouzed after night parachute landings using radios but the radios were special. They had some sort of direction finding capability. The Army PRC 6 walkie talkies used widely in Viet Nam had special direction finding loop antenna accessories. These loops were collapsible for easy packing and plugged into a connector on the radio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/PRC-6

Scroll down to photo of PRC 6 and 2 DF loop antennas:

http://w1tp.com/imperad.htm


CB walkie takies of the 71 era did not have direction finding capability. Communicating and locating are distinct issues. Communication alone does not assure finding the other party's location.

Just a thought while we await further news.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[hangdiver 1]

Well...sittin here in Cottage Grove...pondering the FBI...I realize the world of Cooper has had a hiccup as I sat in Terwilleger Springs hot pool Wednesday afternoon.

I was incommunicado with the wired www for a couple of glorious days. I made some connections that I would never had made if it wasn't for raspberrymoon dragging me kicking and screaming into the woods of Oregon.

We got an invite to China along with some very interesting business connections...I'm a bit of an inventor and have been looking for a China connection...the Universe works in mysterious ways...

Thanks again Geoff for the wonderful time and Donna for completing the experience...Raz and I enjoyed meeting everyone and you all know who you are...thanks for taking the time to talk with us...it was a special time for both Raz and I...it will never be forgotten...sorry georger...I'm feeling a bit nostalgic this morning...I hope you won't take offense...I really missed georger, snowmman, Sluggo, Amazon and had a chance to meet you Robert B. but obviously missed it.

My shop is nothing like Hayden's shop...and...I'm in the middle of moving it but had to make it to the Cooper Symposium...I'm really not looking forward to going back to my reality...moving...but can't be on the road forever...damn...!!!

pic attached of me working in my old shop...don't laugh...!!!...okay...have a laugh...

I just had to include the Arizona plate they gave me in the 90's...my friends all said..."how did you get that plate and how much did it cost?" I said..."I dunno...just went and registered my truck and paid the fee." They said "did you even read what the plate said?" I was like "no...I just screwed it on and drove back to the DZ"

The plate should be self explanatory...

Well it's just about time to hit the road...I don't know when I'll have another chance to post...I'm supposed to have DSL at my new place but already spent three days on it before the trip and still nothing...

hangdiver

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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Hangdiver wrote

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...raspberrymoon dragging me kicking and screaming into the woods of Oregon.

And you are complaining???

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Nice license plate, almost probable cause for a stop.

"Let's light that boy up and show him a thing or two. You know he's carryin at least an ounce."

Nice shop too. Got plasma cutter yet?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[hangdiver 1]

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Nice shop too. Got plasma cutter yet?

Thanks 377...and...yeah, had one for a number of years.

hangdiver

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

[arfuller 0]

Here's another theory to add to the million already existing.

DB was headed to Mexico. That turned out to be Reno. Is there something about flight paths that these two routes might share? Cooper is said to have identified some landmarks to the stewardess. If you know about what speed you're going, when you pass a landmark and you have a watch, then you might be able to make a good guesstimate about when you'll be over a dropzone.

Where was the radio? How good of a look did they get at the bomb? Would the antennae prevent it from being in the brief case? Was the antennae detachable and possibly hidden under DB's clothes?

The plane was flying low and slow with the flaps down. I'm sure it would have been a lot louder to somebody on the ground than your normal commercial flight. Could that have helped somebody on the ground locate the plane?

I'm sure these things have been discussed before, but I'm not going to read back through thousands of posts to try and find them.

The Money Connection

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Would the antennae prevent it from being in the brief case? Was the antennae detachable and possibly hidden under DB's clothes?

Marla (without prompting BTW) described the antenna with great particularity. Chrome, telescoping segments, with a larger piece on the top. I spoke with her after her presentation and I have no doubt that she has seen and probably handled a 71 vintage CB walkie talkie. That doesn't put LD on the plane though.

The antenna can fully collapse so that it does not extend beyond the outside dimernsions of the walkie talkie. I suppose you could put it in the bomb briefcase. depending on the dimensions.

Still awaiting further updates on HURRICANE MARLA.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[TomKaye 1]

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DC: Can you see any landmarks?
LDC I cant walk, I can barely crawl. Cant see much
377

NOW we are making some sense. Communicating is a whole world away from locating. We use multiple video cameras to detect meteors coming through the atmosphere and even with sophisticated software we can't locate them very precisely.

TK

[Robert99 50]

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Nice license plate, almost probable cause for a stop.

"Let's light that boy up and show him a thing or two. You know he's carryin at least an ounce."

Nice shop too. Got plasma cutter yet?

377

Don't forget that the 22 people in the trunk could probably use some fresh air also.

[JerryThomas 0]

Hangdiver: And the Beer Can and pillow finishes the story. Jerry

[Robert99 50]

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The plane was flying low and slow with the flaps down. I'm sure it would have been a lot louder to somebody on the ground than your normal commercial flight. Could that have helped somebody on the ground locate the plane?

I'm sure these things have been discussed before, but I'm not going to read back through thousands of posts to try and find them.

You are correct. They have been discussed to death before. What is low about an airplane flying at 10,000 feet? And 194 Knots True Airspeed is not necessairly slow.

Undoubtedly there were other airliners arriving and departing Portland International that were lower and slower than the hijacked airplane.

Also, as has been discussed for the past couple of years at least, there was a broken cloud layer at 3500 feet (which constituted the ceiling) and a complete overcast at 5000 feet. This puts Janet and Marla in the same category.

[arfuller 0]

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The plane was flying low and slow with the flaps down. I'm sure it would have been a lot louder to somebody on the ground than your normal commercial flight. Could that have helped somebody on the ground locate the plane?

I'm sure these things have been discussed before, but I'm not going to read back through thousands of posts to try and find them.

You are correct. They have been discussed to death before. What is low about an airplane flying at 10,000 feet? And 194 Knots True Airspeed is not necessairly slow.

Undoubtedly there were other airliners arriving and departing Portland International that were lower and slower than the hijacked airplane.

Also, as has been discussed for the past couple of years at least, there was a broken cloud layer at 3500 feet (which constituted the ceiling) and a complete overcast at 5000 feet. This puts Janet and Marla in the same category.

I don't think the cloud layers would have stopped the sound, and what does that have to do with Marla? The cloud layers don't change an FBI polygraph. She only knows what she heard. She wasn't a participant in the plot.

If you know about when flights depart and arrive then you may well be able to find the plane you're looking for. Surely they would have checked the flight schedules. The 9/11 guys did didn't they?

Maybe he had a concealed flashlight to shine on the way down. That might have helped after he got below the clouds.

The Money Connection

[JerryThomas 0]

Robert99: I've tried to make that point in the past.What will shock all of you is what Marla says Curtis Eng has told her. Bruce where is that post you have promissed.Im shocked the FBI has even given her story 1 minute let alone 2yrs.I used to defend the FBI but after this story I have my doubts about there ability to understand what is involved to pull a crime like this off and survive.Like Mark says the man couldn't even walk let alone make it to a assembly point or comunicate his location.There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.A lot of her story begins with my mother say's or some one else I wonder how much of her story was implanted.I wish Curtis Eng monitored this Forum. After reading some of these comments he would dismiss Marla's story altogether.But he is a rookie and it shows. Jerry

[Orange1 0]

The idea of Cooper using dead reckoning reminded me of this story...and how people can survive extreme conditions when badly equipped (and here I refer to the trek out of the mountains, not how they survived before that)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571

All that said I still think Cooper probabilities are binary: survived if trained, dead if whuffo.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Jerry writes

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...he [Curtis Ng] is a rookie and it shows.

Good thing the FBI doesnt issue traffic tickets Jerry. You'd have to stop driving in Curtis's beat.

Visualize Curtis as a hurricane victim.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[JerryThomas 0]

Orange 1, dead reconing techniques are widely taught in the military. We used to use it in Alaska when training with the Eskimo's. Jerry

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Robert99: I've tried to make that point in the past.What will shock all of you is what Marla says Curtis Eng has told her. Bruce where is that post you have promissed.Im shocked the FBI has even given her story 1 minute let alone 2yrs.I used to defend the FBI but after this story I have my doubts about there ability to understand what is involved to pull a crime like this off and survive.Like Mark says the man couldn't even walk let alone make it to a assembly point or comunicate his location.There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.A lot of her story begins with my mother say's or some one else I wonder how much of her story was implanted.I wish Curtis Eng monitored this Forum. After reading some of these comments he would dismiss Marla's story altogether.But he is a rookie and it shows. Jerry

AH HA

[JerryThomas 0]

377: Im sure I will not be one of his favorite's. But he realy need's to listen to the Experts. And there is no better place to find them than here on DropZone. Geoger. Robert99, 377, Tom Kaye Orange 1, hangdiver,Amazon, Quade.Just to mention a few.Jerry

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Jerry writes:

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he [Curtis Ng]really needs to listen to the Experts

Most guys would rather listen to Marla.

And that could be part of the FBI: LDC=DBC problem here.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Orange 1, dead reconing techniques are widely taught in the military. We used to use it in Alaska when training with the Eskimo's. Jerry

Yup, and I buy that if Cooper knew a landmark and knew the speed he could figure out where to jump....IF he knew what flight path he was on. I've missed some pages, were the teases (Reno and Mexico flight paths etc) solved? I wanted to get irritated at the teases but they were too interesting. Except then I got sidetracked and haven't read back yet

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Farflung 0]

Let’s review using the time tested and constantly repeated techniques practiced by those seeking the truth on this thread. There will be no resistance as I am now abandoning crosschecks and validation just like everyone else. Isn’t that great!

A ‘simple phone call’ to Marla will tell you all you need to know. She is the direct and ONLY recipient of this shocking information handed down by Special Agent of Record Eng. There is no need to talk to anyone else as this has been the constant admonishment in the past, no excuses on this subject.

Secondly, Marla is extremely attractive and as everyone knows; attractive women don’t lie but they are often around men who do. As it has been stated many, many, many times in the past “she has no reason to lie”. So that has been confirmed and eliminated as a possibility as well.

Walkie-talkies have been discussed to the point of ad nausea and dismissed by the non-Ham contingent of the thread. Well lookie lookie what’s come home to roost on the beam of a Yagi Dipole. Yep, this attractive woman who was in direct contact with Agent Eng said radios were used.

The FBI is closing the case, not because during a manpower shortage the office was deluged with constant calls from the delusional but because it is solved and LD is DB. LD is dead so there will be no trial (like Sam Byck) but we all have the satisfaction of seeing the case solved.

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JT wrote

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There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.

Good point, they had similar antennas, but cordless phones didnt come in to the mainstream US market until a few years later, very late 70s and early 80s.

Having spoken with Marla after her presentation I am certain that she was describing 71 era CB walkie takies. She had everything right: price, range on the ground, antenna type, appearance of front, etc. Not one mistake and I asked no leading questions. Still it shows only that the family had a pair of CB walkie talkies. It doesnt put anybody on the NWA 727.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[JerryThomas 0]

377: Sounds to me like she was well debriefed prior to the Symposim. Jerry