Robert99 50 #27951 December 2, 2011 Quote377: Sounds to me like she was well debriefed prior to the Symposim. Jerry Jerry, I think you mean "briefed" (before the fact) rather than "debriefed" (after the fact). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #27952 December 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe plane was flying low and slow with the flaps down. I'm sure it would have been a lot louder to somebody on the ground than your normal commercial flight. Could that have helped somebody on the ground locate the plane? I'm sure these things have been discussed before, but I'm not going to read back through thousands of posts to try and find them. You are correct. They have been discussed to death before. What is low about an airplane flying at 10,000 feet? And 194 Knots True Airspeed is not necessairly slow. Undoubtedly there were other airliners arriving and departing Portland International that were lower and slower than the hijacked airplane. Also, as has been discussed for the past couple of years at least, there was a broken cloud layer at 3500 feet (which constituted the ceiling) and a complete overcast at 5000 feet. This puts Janet and Marla in the same category. I don't think the cloud layers would have stopped the sound, and what does that have to do with Marla? The cloud layers don't change an FBI polygraph. She only knows what she heard. She wasn't a participant in the plot. If you know about when flights depart and arrive then you may well be able to find the plane you're looking for. Surely they would have checked the flight schedules. The 9/11 guys did didn't they? Maybe he had a concealed flashlight to shine on the way down. That might have helped after he got below the clouds. The hijacked airliner was not on a scheduled flight between Seattle and Reno. And since it was not visible from the ground (and vice-versa) no one would know what it was unless they were tuned into the Seattle ATC channels. Based on 377's post, Marla apparently knew where to do a "library research" before talking to the FBI. And if Marla had somehow convinced herself that what she was saying was absolutely true, she would not have had any trouble with the lie detector test. When Cooper jumped, he probably didn't know his location to within a 20 or 30 mile radius. And a flash light wouldn't do him any good until he was about 100 feet from the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #27953 December 2, 2011 Quote ...she was well debriefed prior to the Symposim By some lucky guy Jerry?Actually she was a delightful symposium presenter. No PR person, no handlers, just Marla and her intriguing story. She was smart, articulate and friendly. It isnt her fault that she is attractive. Marla didnt dodge questions. Bringing Dale, who cared for LD in his last years, didnt enhance her story yet she brought him anyway. He had no clue that LD might have been DBC and could only note, in response to a question, that LD was a "mischievious" person, hardly incriminating Norjack evidence. It's the rendevous between LD and Dewey that I find hard to believe. It would require a bunch of simultaneous near miracles. Also, If LD lost all the money on the jump, wouldnt there have been other finds besides Brian's on Tena Bar? Awaiting Bruce's now overdue article on Marla and LD. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #27954 December 2, 2011 Quote Quote Robert99: I've tried to make that point in the past.What will shock all of you is what Marla says Curtis Eng has told her. Bruce where is that post you have promissed.Im shocked the FBI has even given her story 1 minute let alone 2yrs.I used to defend the FBI but after this story I have my doubts about there ability to understand what is involved to pull a crime like this off and survive.Like Mark says the man couldn't even walk let alone make it to a assembly point or comunicate his location.There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.A lot of her story begins with my mother say's or some one else I wonder how much of her story was implanted.I wish Curtis Eng monitored this Forum. After reading some of these comments he would dismiss Marla's story altogether.But he is a rookie and it shows. Jerry AH HA Amazon, Have you found the information you were looking for? I think I have gotten just about everything possible from the sources you gave me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27955 December 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Robert99: I've tried to make that point in the past.What will shock all of you is what Marla says Curtis Eng has told her. Bruce where is that post you have promissed.Im shocked the FBI has even given her story 1 minute let alone 2yrs.I used to defend the FBI but after this story I have my doubts about there ability to understand what is involved to pull a crime like this off and survive.Like Mark says the man couldn't even walk let alone make it to a assembly point or comunicate his location.There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.A lot of her story begins with my mother say's or some one else I wonder how much of her story was implanted.I wish Curtis Eng monitored this Forum. After reading some of these comments he would dismiss Marla's story altogether.But he is a rookie and it shows. Jerry AH HA Amazon, Have you found the information you were looking for? I think I have gotten just about everything possible from the sources you gave me. HUH? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arfuller 0 #27956 December 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe plane was flying low and slow with the flaps down. I'm sure it would have been a lot louder to somebody on the ground than your normal commercial flight. Could that have helped somebody on the ground locate the plane? I'm sure these things have been discussed before, but I'm not going to read back through thousands of posts to try and find them. You are correct. They have been discussed to death before. What is low about an airplane flying at 10,000 feet? And 194 Knots True Airspeed is not necessairly slow. Undoubtedly there were other airliners arriving and departing Portland International that were lower and slower than the hijacked airplane. Also, as has been discussed for the past couple of years at least, there was a broken cloud layer at 3500 feet (which constituted the ceiling) and a complete overcast at 5000 feet. This puts Janet and Marla in the same category. I don't think the cloud layers would have stopped the sound, and what does that have to do with Marla? The cloud layers don't change an FBI polygraph. She only knows what she heard. She wasn't a participant in the plot. If you know about when flights depart and arrive then you may well be able to find the plane you're looking for. Surely they would have checked the flight schedules. The 9/11 guys did didn't they? Maybe he had a concealed flashlight to shine on the way down. That might have helped after he got below the clouds. The hijacked airliner was not on a scheduled flight between Seattle and Reno. And since it was not visible from the ground (and vice-versa) no one would know what it was unless they were tuned into the Seattle ATC channels. Based on 377's post, Marla apparently knew where to do a "library research" before talking to the FBI. And if Marla had somehow convinced herself that what she was saying was absolutely true, she would not have had any trouble with the lie detector test. When Cooper jumped, he probably didn't know his location to within a 20 or 30 mile radius. And a flash light wouldn't do him any good until he was about 100 feet from the ground. The point is that if you knew the scheduled flights, then you would recognize an unscheduled flight. Maybe they had actually been to the area and recognized the scheduled flights in doing their research. The point of a flashlight is that somebody with good binoculars might be able to spot it from the ground on a dark night. Just search the area where you heard the unscheduled flight. LD had worked as a surveyor and a surveying engineer. He was a Korean war vet. His brother had worked for Boeing. His niece passed a 5 and a half hour polygraph.The Money Connection Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #27957 December 2, 2011 Just recieved a phone call from Chris ingles at K5 News from Seattle. He said Marla Cooper contacted him and said Curtis Eng was going to close the case and that her uncle was Cooper. Bruce where is your story. It looks like the big networks may air it befpre you publish. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #27958 December 2, 2011 I had to take polygraph tests for employment and really, truly took the things (not some BS thread claim here). Here are some fun facts. They are extremely sedate, calm and relaxing sessions. Almost keep you on the cusp of slumber. They don’t want you to be sick or uncomfortable (no coughing, sneezing or pee pee dances to mess wit da machine). All questions were answered YES or NO. That’s all. No polygraph lasts hours except in Hollywood movies (where Americans get their education). Perhaps there are some others who had the lights focused on their faces while the interrogator asked where were you on November 24th until they cracked you like an egg. Please tell you story, it should be good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #27959 December 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Robert99: I've tried to make that point in the past.What will shock all of you is what Marla says Curtis Eng has told her. Bruce where is that post you have promissed.Im shocked the FBI has even given her story 1 minute let alone 2yrs.I used to defend the FBI but after this story I have my doubts about there ability to understand what is involved to pull a crime like this off and survive.Like Mark says the man couldn't even walk let alone make it to a assembly point or comunicate his location.There again Marla's Walkie talkie's, that she remembers could have been the old Telephones with antenna's.A lot of her story begins with my mother say's or some one else I wonder how much of her story was implanted.I wish Curtis Eng monitored this Forum. After reading some of these comments he would dismiss Marla's story altogether.But he is a rookie and it shows. Jerry AH HA Amazon, Have you found the information you were looking for? I think I have gotten just about everything possible from the sources you gave me. HUH? Amazon, Check your PMs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #27960 December 2, 2011 Dont confuse us with facts Farflung. I've warned you before. Please, let us envision things in a more "Hollywood" manner: Torquenada or the Marquis de Sade administering a 5 hour B&D polygraph to Marla Perfectly engineered night rendezvous using CBs Dan Cooper comics pinned to LDs bedroom wall Dewey running the Boeing stair down flight tests Get the picture? So which three letter agency did you work for? Oh, and one more thing, I dont recall any polygraphed defendants or witnesses ever being told "you passed." There was always a writen report, issued weeks later, never a real time on site grade for the subject. Did your poygraph examiner tell you anything about your performance? Since all the polygraph questions I saw were prepared in advance and in writing, a five hour test poses some serious logistical problems. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1298322212 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #27961 December 2, 2011 My piece on Marla's announcement that Curtis Eng is shutting down the case and is convinced that LD Cooper is DB is up at the Mountain News: http://themountainnewswa.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/db-cooper-marla-cooper-says-fbi-case-agent-convinced-her-uncle-is-skyjacker-claims-fbi-will-close-case-shortly/ I just spoke with Marla, and she's cranking up a big media blitz on this news. She's well connected with media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #27962 December 2, 2011 QuoteDont confuse us with facts Farflung. I've warned you before. 377 “He (Eng) told me that he will be closing down the case after the findings are reported regardless of whether they find a match or not,” she said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #27963 December 2, 2011 Some parts of Marla's story are a strange match to Kenny Christiansen. Two men, disappearing over Thanksgiving weekend when they were supposed to be at dinner elsewhere. . Isnt that a coincidence. Innumeracy. Independent invention ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #27964 December 2, 2011 Geoger: Just so all of you know every person from the news media that has contacted me today has been directed to this thread on DropZone. All have stated they will Monitor this thread.I told them this is where most of the experts hang out. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ClassClown 0 #27965 December 2, 2011 ....Unless the FBI "misinformed" the media/public concerning the no match from LD's belongings to known DB items then we could very well see an FBI statement that indeed the case is closed..............................Could it be the FBI lied and told Marla to "spin the story"?.............................and now she's dropping bombs?.........................or is it just bad detective work by the FBI? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #27966 December 2, 2011 Class Clown: I asked Ralph H that same question today. He thinks that it is just Marla getting as much media attention as she can. He doesn't think a FBI agent would make a statement like Marla claims has been made to her. K 5 news from Seattle, Chris Ingles said when he called today that Curtis Eng told him basically the same thing Curtis Eng told me yesterday. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #27967 December 2, 2011 Blevins I never claimed Curtis Eng made any statements to Marla. Blevins read my posts. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #27968 December 3, 2011 Coud it be possible that Marla simply misunderstood what Curtis Ng told her? Or perhaps what Ng said was ambiguous. What if Ng meant that the FBI would be dropping the LD Cooper case not the DB Cooper case? After all there was no DNA match. Maybe his nod to Marla's LDC=DBC theory was just like saying "personally, I hope your horse wins the Cooper Derby." He shouldnt be giving any personal opinions, just the official FBI line, but what if he did? Ng's story to the press and to Jerry hasnt substantially changed. We base all our emotions about a big change in the FBIs position on what Marla said Ng said. Just a thought. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #27969 December 3, 2011 377 asks all cool, like he doesn’t know the answer: “Did your poygraph examiner tell you anything about your performance?” On my first polygraph 377, I asked “How did I do?” Without missing a beat he said “You should know”. From that I’ve learned to never ask that of a woman because I know she’s been to heaven and back. You’re welcome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #27970 December 3, 2011 Quote Jerry writes: Quote he [Curtis Ng]really needs to listen to the Experts Most guys would rather listen to Marla. And that could be part of the FBI: LDC=DBC problem here. 377 I guess I learned my lesson. I should have sent MY picture in to Curtis Eng in addition to the suspicions I have about my father, Melvin Wilson, and his disappearance in 1971. Silly me, I only sent him my father's information. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpE1oyHWpG0Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #27971 December 3, 2011 Farflung wroteQuoteFrom that I’ve learned to never ask that [how'd I do] of a woman because I know she’s been to heaven and back. So... mere mortals will never satisfy her again, but was it good for you Farflung? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #27972 December 3, 2011 News Chanel 8 in Portland oregon just aired Marla coopers story Marla says that the FBI is testing an old toothbrush for her uncles finger prints and is closing the case.The FBI said they are testing the toothbrush and the case remains open Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #27973 December 3, 2011 Vicki demurs with: “I should have sent MY picture in to Curtis Eng….” Just which ‘picture’ were you considering Vicki? The Hot Nun motif is always a winner but perhaps you had a different design in mind regarding the erstwhile young buck known as Eng. I’m sure me... we.. we would like to see that image. Perhaps your…. suspect …… case could be better than Marla’s. I dunno. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #27974 December 3, 2011 Quote Vicki demurs with: “I should have sent MY picture in to Curtis Eng….” Just which ‘picture’ were you considering Vicki? The Hot Nun motif is always a winner but perhaps you had a different design in mind regarding the erstwhile young buck known as Eng. I’m sure me... we.. we would like to see that image. Perhaps your…. suspect …… case could be better than Marla’s. I dunno. The one from Halloween...I was a spiderweb. You will have to use that imagination of yours. I "suspect" it would make me more credible. (Farflung....I said credible)Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #27975 December 3, 2011 Quote Quote Blevins I never claimed Curtis Eng made any statements to Marla. Blevins read my posts. Jerry Okay. I will wait for the FBI to make a statement, then. If it's true they are dropping the case then they will probably say so before long, especially if it is true they are being contacted by local news media. I expect there to be a statement by March of next year. Maybe in two stages. So go ahead with your holiday shopping, dont hold up feeding the dog, and by all means dont stay awake until March of 012 waiting! You will miss the "trilogy". uh-oh! just realised Im sounding like Knoss! Oivey! What Im saying folks is I think there's more coming down the pike even if LD was Cooper. To me, LD looks like the first man in history to be pregnant! Maybe he really did need cash! That interests me; probably Curtis also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
