DB Cooper

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At least the KC theory has some evidence. The Daune Weber theory? None.

Matt

Ha Ha! EVIDENCE?? KC has less proof than Maria! Farf likes her. We thank you for your opinion, however. You may be on to something important. I'm sure the FBI can't wait to hear your thoughts, too. Why don't you contact your local authorities and explain your evidence to them. They are there to help you with such matters.

The same question can be for you as well? might give you a chance to catch up with the old class of 71 conspirators?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Bob Knoss says in part:

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'Ha Ha! EVIDENCE?? KC has less proof than...'

Evidence? That is something you know absolutely NOTHING about. Please don't speak of evidence when you come to this thread with nothing more to offer than your (ass).....

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The FBI said NO EVIDENCE! Not even close. I got the wannbe story before you. Maria is more believable. Farf thinks she is hot, KC is not. Geoffrey laughs. And the band played on. Glub-glub-glub. The facts are in broad daylight for anyone to analyze. I don't WANT to PROVE anything about my experiences. It is someone else's
boat up the river without a paddle, not mine. In time they will release their own version, which will also not be the real story. Keep blowing smoke instead of contributing to the conversation. Your job. No problem.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/11/showbiz/whitney-houston-dead/?hpt=hp_t1

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Yes, Georger we lost another beautiful voice. Makes one wish they had the power to save these talented individuals from self-destruction. She probably hit the drugs again - what a waste.

We might as well stay off topic because the thread will never be productive again. I only dropped in to see what is going on and it is the same old same ole. All I am doing is waiting to get well and find the money to go back to WA. I have 3 hunches I have to play out and I will need some help on both of them. Two are in records (county and city) and one is in the ground.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Had the family pipes for sure and so many advantages from her family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflaJjYae_g&feature=related

You may remember this version (sort of a Floyd Cramer-esque piano) of a classic by Elvis (or just E!). That backup singer, who was unfazed by Elvis’ laughing, is none other than Whitney’s mother.

Small world, smaller industry.

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How silly of me to assume that people would not confuse which performance of ‘Are You Lonesome Tonight?’

This is not the version with Whitney’s mother as a background singer but three men instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EclQVQGqnZ0

Whew, think I caught that just in time. You know how easy fables and lore can be created on this thread. Sorry for the potential confusion.

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Had the family pipes for sure and so many advantages from her family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflaJjYae_g&feature=related

You may remember this version (sort of a Floyd Cramer-esque piano) of a classic by Elvis (or just E!). That backup singer, who was unfazed by Elvis’ laughing, is none other than Whitney’s mother.

Small world, smaller industry.

Long time church choir family. Her cousin is Dionne
Warwick. Her godmother as a child, Aretha Franklin!
The list goes on ... just amazing family.

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...And since you continue to plead your no-evidence scenario, why do you keep saying you don't care or don't have to prove anything? If not, then WHY are you here? You are simply upset that no one is swallowing your tall tale. Too bad.

You can't argue about facts. They prove themselves with time, or fade to their true worth. Like, "Ferdinand the Bull." Excellent reading for Dick and Jane graduates.
I just want to help you move your book off the shelves, Robert. Replace it with Geoffery's book. Or Galen's new book, or Dan Cooper comics. Anything to get your book off the shelves. (smile)

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MRSHUTTER45: in your reply

"I strongly disagree with planning this for ten years, he didn't know how to open the aft door, he didn't notice the reserve chute was a demonstration chute? I kind of think after 10 years of planning he would know the 727 from front to back and would have more experience with chutes! just to mention a few problems he had."

REPLY: You probably haven't read all the past Posts that describe how DB made use of the Flight Attendant as she had more experience with stuck aftairstairs than even the pilots. The stuck door could of been from the residual air pressure difference (inside/outside) and the use of the Flight Attendant shows that he was smart enough to have her resolve the slight problem. This slight problem would not have been in the manuals that DB had available to him at Boeing but would have been discovered by the Flight Attendants that used the Airstairs all the time with lot's of practice. The reserve chute was easy for him to notice and he probably threw it out with a laugh as he got his experience to be a Skydiving Instructor at Issaquah Sky Sports where he had seen the dummy chute many times before the Caper..
He did know the 727 very well and even better than the Pilots a far as the Airstairs could be down (even during takeoff and landing). The Flight Attendant described DB a quite knowing of how to put on the main chute he used. Like he had done it many time before. As 377 (Mark) noted, DB picked the best chute to use for the job of possibly jumping into a forest as he had three years of USFS Smoke Jumping experience. We now think (at least some of us) that he did not jump into the forest but into a field north of Vancouver.. So, he did know the Caper quite well which indicates a lot of planning and caused the FBI to do everything but solve the Case.
Don't let the FBI myth of DB as not very smart fool you. He was very smart and totally fooled the FBI.
Bob
sailshaw

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MRSHUTTER45: in your reply

"I strongly disagree with planning this for ten years, he didn't know how to open the aft door, he didn't notice the reserve chute was a demonstration chute? I kind of think after 10 years of planning he would know the 727 from front to back and would have more experience with chutes! just to mention a few problems he had."

REPLY: You probably haven't read all the past Posts that describe how DB made use of the Flight Attendant as she had more experience with stuck aftairstairs than even the pilots. The stuck door could of been from the residual air pressure difference (inside/outside) and the use of the Flight Attendant shows that he was smart enough to have her resolve the slight problem. This slight problem would not have been in the manuals that DB had available to him at Boeing but would have been discovered by the Flight Attendants that used the Airstairs all the time with lot's of practice. The reserve chute was easy for him to notice and he probably threw it out with a laugh as he got his experience to be a Skydiving Instructor at Issaquah Sky Sports where he had seen the dummy chute many times before the Caper..
He did know the 727 very well and even better than the Pilots a far as the Airstairs could be down (even during takeoff and landing). The Flight Attendant described DB a quite knowing of how to put on the main chute he used. Like he had done it many time before. As 377 (Mark) noted, DB picked the best chute to use for the job of possibly jumping into a forest as he had three years of USFS Smoke Jumping experience. We now think (at least some of us) that he did not jump into the forest but into a field north of Vancouver.. So, he did know the Caper quite well which indicates a lot of planning and caused the FBI to do everything but solve the Case.
Don't let the FBI myth of DB as not very smart fool you. He was very smart and totally fooled the FBI.
Bob
sailshaw

Uh, since when is jumping out of the back of a
727 at 10,000 feet, "fooling the FBI" !?

Its been him on the run or dead, ever since.
No trace of his existence except for a little money.
Not even a rotten parachute or a pair of shoes?

So much for the glamour of D.B. Cooper. Just
idiots like Bob Knoss to tell the tale!

That is really "fooling the FBI"!

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......So much for the glamour of D.B. Cooper. Just
idiots like Bob Knoss to tell the tale!

That is really "fooling the FBI"!

If I can't call them names, then they can't call me names either!!! Quade's rules, Quade's playground. Bad boys should stand in the corner like you made me do. Fair is fair. I'm tellin' on them! Spanky, spanky. Idiots don't score in the 99th percentile.

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Idiots don't score in the 99th percentile.

Kinda depends on what you're scoring.

Mark

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GEORGER

You say:
Uh, since when is jumping out of the back of a
727 at 10,000 feet, "fooling the FBI" !?

Its been him on the run or dead, ever since.
No trace of his existence except for a little money.
Not even a rotten parachute or a pair of shoes?

So much for the glamour of D.B. Cooper. Just
idiots like Bob Knoss to tell the tale!

That is really "fooling the FBI"!

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Some of the many ways DB fooled the FBI are:

1) He picked a Thanksgiving day and night that the FBI would have trouble responding and making chase after him. They did not really get into the chase until the next day.
2) "Take me to Mexico" fooled them to take him where he wanted to go (PDX) without letting them know where he planed to jump. With stairs down, flaps down, the plane was flying as slow as possible and best condition for his jump.
3) Asking for four chutes fooled the FBI into thinking he might jump with some of the crew.
4} He wiped the airplane clean of finger prints and left nothing behind. Fooling the FBI again.
5) There are many more thing but the best is his perfect alibi of where he was at the time of the Caper. They fell for that story, hook line and sinker.

Sorry GREORGER but I don't buy you train of thought. Possibly, you have listened to too much FBI spin.

Bob
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Some of the many ways DB fooled the FBI are:

1) He picked a Thanksgiving day and night that the FBI would have trouble responding and making chase after him. They did not really get into the chase until the next day.
2) "Take me to Mexico" fooled them to take him where he wanted to go (PDX) without letting them know where he planed to jump. With stairs down, flaps down, the plane was flying as slow as possible and best condition for his jump.
3) Asking for four chutes fooled the FBI into thinking he might jump with some of the crew.
4} He wiped the airplane clean of finger prints and left nothing behind. Fooling the FBI again.
5) There are many more thing but the best is his perfect alibi of where he was at the time of the Caper. They fell for that story, hook line and sinker.

Sorry GREORGER but I don't buy you train of thought. Possibly, you have listened to too much FBI spin.

Bob
sailshaw

You Mr. Sailshaw are reading too much between the line to make your suspect Cooper.

1. There was little planning put into the jump. Nov 24 was just an important date for a man whose past was a shambles and because of his diagnosis - no future. He was going to be living on the streets or in prison so why NOT do this? He had the knowledge and he had NOTHING to loose.

2. "Mexico" - first thing he thought of - he never expected to get that far. Perhaps in his mind the Sky Marshalls or FBI would storm the plane - either killing him (fast) or he would spend what was left of his life in Prison and not on the streets.

3. Four Chutes - I do agree with the consenses on this as does most who have researched this crime.

4. Wiping the prints clean - What if by some chance he survived? Why leave a calling card?

5. Alibi? Well if your connection to skyjumping was limited and never recorded - why worry about an alibi? There are those who think Cooper had to have been a recorded experienced diver - not so. The answer to that one may lie with the name Pennington and a very good search of Weber's associates in the prison system.

The DEVILS driving me do THIS!

Using your own words Mr. Sailshaw:
"I don't buy your train of thought. Possibly, you have listened to too much FBI spin".

You knew Petersen for all of a few months and the man is still alive to defend himself. He provided his DNA and his prints were on file, plus he provided an alibi. Mr. Petersen fought for lots of rights - and although an unconventional man, you continue to sully his life and what he stood for - FREEDOM of rights and FREEDOM of speech.

What have you done for FREEDOM? You choose to trash this now troubled man who has become a recluse and outcast of sorts because of his health and his out-spoken ways that often landed him in trouble and still does even to this day.

He like myself feels a lot of pent-up anger regarding todays politics. He used his WORDS to defend others and to stand-up for their rights. WHAT have you done with YOUR life?

You accuse a man of being Cooper and he is unable to defend himself at this time in his life. He has denied he was Cooper and yet Weber confessed to being Dan Cooper and had a sordid past that supports his irrational thinking on that day in 1971.

I actually would like to meet Petersen before he meets the Creator - he is the only person in this Cooper saga - I do want to meet. Because of his history - there are so many questions I want to ask him....not about Cooper or skyjackings, but about himself and his life.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I agree Knoss has a problem, but he is not an idiot.

Perhaps you are the idiot!
I believe Petersen would agree with me right now. He would "get" the statement I just made -you won't! Read articles written by Petersen and then make your decisions about this unconventional man - I wish there were more of them today.

Unconventional men solving problems in unconventional ways, but with Words and not with Weapons of destruction. Petersen stood for the little man and those left behind in society, doing what he could to make changes. His stand on many subjects should be applauded and he should not have to defend himself - he allowed the FBI free access and provided everything they requested.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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well, that all sounds good....but, you have a few words that I see a problem with....."could of" & "probably" those two words are used alot in the Cooper story! not that I disagree 100%, but not good enough

I did think about the chute out the back door theory, personally I would have sent it right back to them if I survived?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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[1) He picked a Thanksgiving day and night that the FBI would have trouble responding and making chase after him. They did not really get into the chase until the next day. ]

They picked that day because it was BYU holiday and they wanted to throw blame back on FBI students. Hence Mac's BYU pin, narrow black tie, etc. And the choppers were right on his tail. FBI is always active. Reference Janet and the flares.

[2) "Take me to Mexico" fooled them to take him where he wanted to go (PDX) without letting them know where he planed to jump. With stairs down, flaps down, the plane was flying as slow as possible and best condition for his jump.]

How do you think he controlled the flight path?? How did he know technical jargon specific to a 727? "Mexico" was to lull them into thinking he wouldn't jump right away.

[3) Asking for four chutes fooled the FBI into thinking he might jump with some of the crew.]

Yes, that was a plan contingency!

[4} He wiped the airplane clean of finger prints and left nothing behind. Fooling the FBI again.]

He didn't have to, the FBI trashed the evidence instead.

[5) There are many more thing but the best is his perfect alibi of where he was at the time of the Caper. They fell for that story, hook line and sinker.]

Where? The cockpit? Cooper (Duane Weber) was never questioned and gave no alibi. He was protected by the instigators much better than McCoy was.

Bob Knoss for the real truth about sailshaw's moronic ramblings. Can I say that, Quade? It's not name calling. Well, I take it back anyway. Wanna be the new, nicer, more civilized Burger King with special sauce. No fiction, no lies, just the unadulterated truth of what was really behind the scenes of flight 305 from a REAL first hand witness. No book, no appearances, no money, no friends, no fears, 'just the facts, Maa'm.' ....Jack Webb

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At least the KC theory has some evidence. The Daune Weber theory? None.

Matt

Ha Ha! EVIDENCE?? KC has less proof than Maria! Farf likes her. We thank you for your opinion, however. You may be on to something important. I'm sure the FBI can't wait to hear your thoughts, too. Why don't you contact your local authorities and explain your evidence to them. They are there to help you with such matters.

Make make no claim as to who Cooper is, so I need not provide any evidence.

But you do make a claim and provide NO evidence.

I am still waiting for actual proof from you, thus far to date you have provided, none.

All your claims of your personal involvement, are; fabrications.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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......So much for the glamour of D.B. Cooper. Just
idiots like Bob Knoss to tell the tale!

That is really "fooling the FBI"!

If I can't call them names, then they can't call me names either!!! Quade's rules, Quade's playground. Bad boys should stand in the corner like you made me do. Fair is fair. I'm tellin' on them! Spanky, spanky. Idiots don't score in the 99th percentile.

Pot/Kettle

So funny, can't bring facts or evidence, get called on it and whine.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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[1) He picked a Thanksgiving day and night that the FBI would have trouble responding and making chase after him. They did not really get into the chase until the next day. ]

They picked that day because it was BYU holiday and they wanted to throw blame back on FBI students. Hence Mac's BYU pin, narrow black tie, etc. And the choppers were right on his tail. FBI is always active. Reference Janet and the flares.

[2) "Take me to Mexico" fooled them to take him where he wanted to go (PDX) without letting them know where he planed to jump. With stairs down, flaps down, the plane was flying as slow as possible and best condition for his jump.]

How do you think he controlled the flight path?? How did he know technical jargon specific to a 727? "Mexico" was to lull them into thinking he wouldn't jump right away.

[3) Asking for four chutes fooled the FBI into thinking he might jump with some of the crew.]

Yes, that was a plan contingency!

[4} He wiped the airplane clean of finger prints and left nothing behind. Fooling the FBI again.]

He didn't have to, the FBI trashed the evidence instead.

[5) There are many more thing but the best is his perfect alibi of where he was at the time of the Caper. They fell for that story, hook line and sinker.]

Where? The cockpit? Cooper (Duane Weber) was never questioned and gave no alibi. He was protected by the instigators much better than McCoy was.

Bob Knoss for the real truth about sailshaw's moronic ramblings. Can I say that, Quade? It's not name calling. Well, I take it back anyway. Wanna be the new, nicer, more civilized Burger King with special sauce. No fiction, no lies, just the unadulterated truth of what was really behind the scenes of flight 305 from a REAL first hand witness. No book, no appearances, no money, no friends, no fears, 'just the facts, Maa'm.' ....Jack Webb

That would be a nice change, where is this person?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Jo you say "I actually would like to meet Petersen before he meets the Creator - he is the only person in this Cooper saga - I do want to meet. Because of his history - there are so many questions I want to ask him....not about Cooper or skyjackings, but about himself and his life."

REPLY: What do you have in mind Jo? Cozy up to Sheridan and marrage? Then you could hedge your bet to being Mrs DB Cooper and he could whisper in your ear on his death bed " I am Dan Cooooper". I that your plan?

Bob

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Jo you say "I actually would like to meet Petersen before he meets the Creator - he is the only person in this Cooper saga - I do want to meet. Because of his history - there are so many questions I want to ask him....not about Cooper or skyjackings, but about himself and his life."

REPLY: What do you have in mind Jo? Cozy up to Sheridan and marrage? Then you could hedge your bet to being Mrs DB Cooper and he could whisper in your ear on his death bed " I am Dan Cooooper". I that your plan?

Bob

You guys have gotten a little too rauchy and nasty for me. Have you actually read anything that Petersen wrote? Do you know about his involvement in intergration? Do you not have anything better than to degrade individuals in your "hunt" to claim
you knew Cooper? Was it not you who claimed Petersen rented from you?


What you are doing is cruel and inhumane. Why don't you go see your "old friend" and have a chat with him? Pehaps it is time you faced the man you are publically charging with a crime.

Weber confessed to the crime and Duane Weber was a criminal. All I have ever done was try to uncover some of the sordid past the FBI made public...I want to know more about this man I spent 17yrs of my life with regardless of the out come.

The FBI's has claimed to have ruled Weber out in regards to Cooper BUT, WHY have they NOT offered PROOF he was not Cooper. The FBI has NO PROOF Weber WAS NOT Cooper.

The FBI has NOT verified they actually have Coopers DNA nor they cannot be sure they have Weber's DNA. They can't prove the prints they used from McNeil match the prints from Jefferson. If the JEFFERSON PRINTS matched the McNeil prints, Weber would have never been released from Jefferson with a Commutation of Sentence in the name of the person he was incarcerated under - John C. Collins.

The Commutation of Sentence for John C. Collins - makes the FBI look like the fools. Did the middle C. stand for Chaulk or Carson? Whose SS number was he using - what was the income under that number. That SS number belonged to someone.

BYE!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Dick and Jane can't help you or ClassClown.

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..............or help you for that matter................

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Dick and Jane can't help you or ClassClown.

Nice PA.

Remember when you whined to the moderators about some one else doing that?

You have gone down to that level, you have become that which you despise.

But it changes nothing. You have presented no evidence, no facts and nothing that says your fabrications are even remotely true.

The FOIA shows no support for any of your story.
It actually shows your story to be a fabrication and that you had nothing to do with the things you claim.

As there are now hours of video tape proving your Mind altering drug story false, put up some thing tangible to prove your involvement. Your word is useless, put up some thing of fact.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!