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[BLUE]SURPRISE SURPRISE and THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT GEOFFRY GRAY...PLEASE DO SO!
GEOFFRY CAN VOUCH FOR 92% OF THE POST.[/BLUE]
You Knoss, made a complete nuisance of yourself with the co-pilot. The co-pilot's brother did business with you and the only reason you did not get in trouble.
He mentioned your contacting his son - and you crossed the line there. He was upset for several reasons - and you can ask Grey if his phone calls to the co-pilot were answered. You Knoss are the reason Grey did NOT get an interview with the Co-pilot! You Knoss have caused a lot of trouble for real people looking for real answers.
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Matt and Blevins - Both of you want to discredit Knoss and you will accomplish this faster by co-operating with each other.
Wish I could add to it, but all I have are my notes when Knoss and I first connected and then some email "baits" I exchanged with him - these were always followed with a CC to Doug Pasternak so I would NOT be hung out to dry with the "crap" I was feeding Knoss. I don't remember what yr Knoss first contacted me, but it WAS BEFORE I got a computer and why some of it is only notes written in my planner.
His story was simple back then and now it has "evolved" into something he created in his mind. The only things I could investigate was by talking to the ex who was still alive at that time.
She did NOT know Knoss and she said Duane was NOT in the area at the time Knoss claimed. Knoss even claimed the ex-wife stole money from the apartment - which she DID not do. Knoss claimed there was a write-up in the newpaper. Gray was NEVER able to find this write-up nor any arrests reports.
After Knoss realized he had a captive audience he was calling anyone who would listen and the FBI. Knoss made a nuisance out of himself with the co-pilot and the co-pilot's family. When Grey was doing research for his book he made a serious mistake of spending a few days checking Knoss's story out.
My last contact with the co-pilot was when Grey was with Knoss. The co-pilot was upset (he had some serious problems going on in his personal life). He could NOT deal with this and asked that I give Grey a message - which I did. He told me to tell Grey to STOP calling him and to stop leaving messages..
Grey's visit with Knoss cost him a private interview with the key witness - the Co-pilot.
Knoss had been calling direct members of the co-pilots family and interferring with their lives.
This conversation took place I believe WHILE Grey was with Knoss and before he came to see me. I am the one who had to deliver the co-pilot's message to Grey.
Knoss Replied:
QuoteJo, You are a boldfaced liar. What you state here is TOTAL fabrication and not even close to the truth. I am done trying to be considerate with you. I have NEVER called to interfere with ANY of Rataczak's family. My information has not changed as I have original documents with exactly the same information. You are even worse than Blevins, if that could be possible.
[BLUE]SURPRISE SURPRISE and THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT GEOFFRY GRAY...PLEASE DO SO!
GEOFFRY CAN VOUCH FOR 92% OF THE POST.[/BLUE]
You Knoss, made a complete nuisance of yourself with the co-pilot. The co-pilot's brother did business with you and the only reason you did not get in trouble.
He mentioned your contacting his son - and you crossed the line there. He was upset for several reasons - and you can ask Grey if his phone calls to the co-pilot were answered. You Knoss are the reason Grey did NOT get an interview with the Co-pilot! You Knoss have caused a lot of trouble for real people looking for real answers.
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mrshutter45 21
Interesting facts hereQuote........It doesn't take a cooper expert or any kind of expert to see that Bob Knoss is a complete fantasy world employee........heck he might be the owner.................the thing I see about Knoss is that I believe he believes his own garbage....................
The first recorded hijacking occurred in May 1930, when Peruvian revolutionaries seized a Pan American mail plane with the aim of dropping propaganda leaflets over Lima. No hijackings were then recorded until 1947. Between that year and 1958, 23 hijackings were reported, mostly committed by eastern Europeans seeking political asylum. The world's first fatal hijacking took place in July 1947 when three Romanians killed an aircrew member.
The first major act of criminal violence against a U.S. airliner occurred on November 1, 1955, when Jack Graham placed a bomb in luggage belonging to his mother and killed all 44 people on board a Denver-bound plane. Graham had hoped to cash in his mother's life insurance policy; instead, he was sentenced to death. In January 1960, a heavily insured suicide bomber killed all aboard a National Airlines plane, sparking demands for the use of baggage-inspection devices.
Fidel Castro came to power in Cuba in 1959, and soon after, the number of hijackings began to grow. At first, flights were hijacked by those wishing to escape from Cuba. The pattern changed in May 1961, with the first American airliner diverted to Cuba. Other such incidents took place that summer, and the government began using armed guards on commercial planes when requested by the airlines or the FBI. In September, President John F. Kennedy signed legislation that prescribed the death penalty or at least 20 years' imprisonment for air piracy.
The skies remained relatively quiet until February 21, 1968, when a fugitive forced a DC-8 plane to fly to Cuba. This started a rash of hijackings in the United States that would last through 1972. Worldwide, the U.S. Department of Transportation placed the total number of hijackings from 1968 through 1972 at 364.
nothing happened from 61 until February of 68 and yet Knoss claims in March of 68 the party started? kind of early if you ask me, and why 3 years of "training" one would think with this much thought you would not have 40 + years of loose ends? I would think if they were thinking this quick, it would have been put into place in 55? (new security measures)
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
georger 244
nothing happened from 61 until February of 68 and yet Knoss claims in March of 68 the party started? ?
What are the Unicorns claiming?
What are the assassins of Unicorns claiming?
Keep your eye on the Unicorns.
(and edit counts!)
(and assassination attempts by Unicorns making
edits)
Who will assassinate Who next?
Who is on First.
ooh ooh almost forgot!
Was DB Cooper Thomas Jefferson?
Think about it!
Keep your eye on Thomas Jefferson!!
.....................Exactly...................Knoss's stories have more holes in it............well more holes than my neighbor's driveway which is full of pot holes..................Knoss please enlighten me with another"story" of yours..................I like a good laugh now and then and you my friend have given me many a belly full of laughs
mrshutter45 21
Did Knoss leave with Marla
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
..Yes and they left holding hands.................QuoteDid Knoss leave with Marla
BobKnoss 0
QuoteRegina, who posts over at Unsolved Realm, has two articles there on the Cooper case. Both are getting heavily spammed. One (*allegedly*) by Bob Knoss, the other mostly by porn sites and general spammers.
So everyone will get the picture, Bleepins reference to toilet jokes originates from an art piece that hangs in my bathroom and was admired by Jim Rataczak. Jim as presumably told Bleepins of the story which set the foundation for his forging posts at this other sight to frame me for the phony posts. This is how that guy operates. Fake stories from a discredited investigator and conspiracy with the family he and Jo falsely accuse me of harassing. The guy is a liar (Blast) and his continued string of falsehoods and under the table dirty tricks are aimed at causing trouble. He is NOT productive, EVER. He is only COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. I understand Matt is also in cahoots, based on the same source. Not an open forum, this is a Kangaroo Court where the blow out honest cops in minutes!
I will not lie about what happened. I think it should ALL be told, but have refrained at the request of his leaders. I did not think they wanted complete disclosure based on repeated requests not to tell the truth. I asked the Minneapolis FBI, and the answer was, "Keep doing what you're doing." When I asked Mac, he said, "go ahead and do it. I'd love to see their faces..." "I don't know what 'the other guy' will do".... So, from your lack of cooperation, I assume we are all in agreement. I really HATE lies. You are covering up heroic services of some of our best citizens with filthy lies. Their service is over and recognition and thank you's in order. You do these people no service at all.
Put actual evidence up so they can be "honored", did not some one say the legal issues are all none-existent now?QuoteQuoteRegina, who posts over at Unsolved Realm, has two articles there on the Cooper case. Both are getting heavily spammed. One (*allegedly*) by Bob Knoss, the other mostly by porn sites and general spammers.
So everyone will get the picture, Bleepins reference to toilet jokes originates from an art piece that hangs in my bathroom and was admired by Jim Rataczak. Jim as presumably told Bleepins of the story which set the foundation for his forging posts at this other sight to frame me for the phony posts. Even though the IP address was "Presumably" traced back to you?" This is how that guy operates. Fake stories from a discredited investigator and conspiracy with the family he and Jo falsely accuse me of harassing She claims to have the evidence, she could produce it and show you wrong. The guy is a liar (Blast) and his continued string of falsehoods and under the table dirty tricks are aimed at causing trouble. He is NOT productive, EVER. He is only COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. I understand Matt is also in cahoots, based on the same source. Name the source, they are Liars, or you're making it up, as usual, name them. Not an open forum, this is a Kangaroo Court where the blow out honest cops Who? in minutes!
I will not lie about what happened. I think it should ALL be told, but have refrained at the request of his leaders. I did not think they wanted complete disclosure based on repeated requests not to tell the truth. I asked the Minneapolis FBI, Can we tal kto them too? Who is the SA? and the answer was, "Keep doing what you're doing." When I asked Mac, he said, "go ahead and do it. I'd love to see their faces..." "I don't know what 'the other guy' will do"....Mac is the dead guy right? So, from your lack of cooperation, I assume we are all in agreement. I really HATE lies. You are covering up heroic services of some of our best citizens with filthy lies.Best Citizens"? even if your stor yis true, they are far from that! no less than two, two-bit crooks in and out of trouble all thiers lives? Drug use leads to being picked for a LSD Study, threatening the Draft Board, getting a "Top Secret" job instead of a Fed Pen stint? No not some of the BEST, some of the Worst is more like it. Their service is over and recognition and thank you's in order. You do these people no service at all.
Come on, put it up, all of it.
If it had any truth to it , it would be done already.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
mrshutter45 21
None of it makes any sense! the plan comes to early before the "rash" of hijackings which started after March of 68! even after all of the hijackings there was not alot of added security until the towers went down!
The Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event!
The Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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Mr. Shutter wrote:
True. No elaborate staged skyjack was needed.
All they'd have to do is what they do now and that is to say that intelligence reports indicate increased threats and that new regs are necessary to insure public safety. That's all it has ever taken.
377
QuoteThe Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event!
True. No elaborate staged skyjack was needed.
All they'd have to do is what they do now and that is to say that intelligence reports indicate increased threats and that new regs are necessary to insure public safety. That's all it has ever taken.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
mrshutter45 21
EXACTLY....now we are stuck with this! (see photo)QuoteMr. Shutter wrote:
QuoteThe Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event!
True. No elaborate staged skyjack was needed.
All they'd have to do is what they do now and that is to say that intelligence reports indicate increased threats and that new regs are necessary to insure public safety. That's all it has ever taken.
377
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
QuotePut actual evidence up so they can be "honored", did not some one say the legal issues are all none-existent now?
Come on, put it up, all of it.
If it had any truth to it , it would be done already.
Matt
For Heavens sake! This is ridiculous.
Wink!
Laughing my Head off!
Ooops - perhaps Knoss contacting me was all part of this conspiracy we have been told about by Knoss! Knoss has stomped on everyone who even attempted to find some truths in his story. I wonder if Knoss was contacting the FBI before he found out about Duane This question is NOT unfounded.
Come to think of it - strange how Knoss found out about me? It was BEFORE I went public and before any articles had been written about Duane or my claim!
Wonder WHY Himmelsbach would put Knoss in touch with me? I can HEAR Knoss's answer before it even leaves his keyboard and everyone else can also.
[RED]How much of this Post is Truth and how much is Bait? Perhaps we need to see where Knoss will take this post. If I were Knoss I would be trembling in my shoes about now. If he is actually a snitch his head will ROLL! If he is a liar - he is facing LOTs of Lawsuits. Regardless he is facing exposure in an up-coming TV program called EXPOSED.[/RED]
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Matt and Blevins - Both of you want to discredit Knoss and you will accomplish this faster by co-operating with each other.
Wish I could add to it, but all I have are my notes when Knoss and I first connected and then some email "baits" I exchanged with him - these were always followed with a CC to Doug Pasternak so I would NOT be hung out to dry with the "crap" I was feeding Knoss. I don't remember what yr Knoss first contacted me, but it WAS BEFORE I got a computer and why some of it is only notes written in my planner.
His story was simple back then and now it has "evolved" into something he created in his mind. The only things I could investigate was by talking to the ex who was still alive at that time.
She did NOT know Knoss and she said Duane was NOT in the area at the time Knoss claimed. Knoss even claimed the ex-wife stole money from the apartment - which she DID not do. Knoss claimed there was a write-up in the newpaper. Gray was NEVER able to find this write-up nor any arrests reports.
After Knoss realized he had a captive audience he was calling anyone who would listen and the FBI. Knoss made a nuisance out of himself with the co-pilot and the co-pilot's family. When Grey was doing research for his book he made a serious mistake of spending a few days checking Knoss's story out.
My last contact with the co-pilot was when Grey was with Knoss. The co-pilot was upset (he had some serious problems going on in his personal life). He could NOT deal with this and asked that I give Grey a message - which I did. He told me to tell Grey to STOP calling him and to stop leaving messages..
Grey's visit with Knoss cost him a private interview with the key witness - the Co-pilot.
Knoss had been calling direct members of the co-pilots family and interferring with their lives.
This conversation took place I believe WHILE Grey was with Knoss and before he came to see me. I am the one who had to deliver the co-pilot's message to Grey.
Knoss Replied:QuoteJo, You are a boldfaced liar. What you state here is TOTAL fabrication and not even close to the truth. I am done trying to be considerate with you. I have NEVER called to interfere with ANY of Rataczak's family. My information has not changed as I have original documents with exactly the same information. You are even worse than Blevins, if that could be possible.
[BLUE]SURPRISE SURPRISE and THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT GEOFFRY GRAY...PLEASE DO SO!
GEOFFRY CAN VOUCH FOR 92% OF THE POST.[/BLUE]
You Knoss, made a complete nuisance of yourself with the co-pilot. The co-pilot's brother did business with you and the only reason you did not get in trouble.
He mentioned your contacting his son - and you crossed the line there. He was upset for several reasons - and you can ask Grey if his phone calls to the co-pilot were answered. You Knoss are the reason Grey did NOT get an interview with the Co-pilot! You Knoss have caused a lot of trouble for real people looking for real answers.
You have things so wrong you make me laugh. None of your statements are even close to correct. You can't absorb a simple conversation without totally F'n it up. Now I understand why your story is so loony!! This post is consistent with the garbage you try to pedal about Duane. The simple truth of the matter is now very clear to me. You probably don't intend to lie, you just can't disseminate a simple sentence anymore. This explains it, and sheds a slightly different picture on the situation. Sorry I didn't understand this before, Jo. You have my most sincere sympathy and a half-hearted apology. You don't really know how terribly wrong you are. That's different. Sorry, Dear. Please verify your statements. Might help you comprehend the truth. I don't know nor have I ever talked to Bill's brother. Everything told to me was volunteered, not requested. Yes, Geoff knows the truth of what happened, and it ain't like you claim. He was forewarned he would be blackballed. He did it all by his lonesome, against my recommendations. Ask him. You are vicious without basis. Mac-Mac-Mac-Mac. "Leave him alone!" Liar, liar, panties on fire. (;X)^
smokin99 0
Off topic, but I know that some on here share my fascination with non-DB mysteries... looks like the search for Amelia is heating up again... and getting a nudge from at least one rather high ranking US official .....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17452875
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17452875
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Robert99 50
QuoteOff topic, but I know that some on here share my fascination with non-DB mysteries... looks like the search for Amelia is heating up again... and getting a nudge from at least one rather high ranking US official .....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17452875
The bad news is that they are searching 300 miles from where they should be looking.
Knoss States:
REALLY! How come everyone you talk to in person - WALKS away and when you are asked for proof all you give them is HOGWASH? Yet, you claim to have been the record keeper.
You pull them in with your story, but YOU can't even prove YOU even met Duane Weber, much less all of the other GARBAGE you spew out. Seems like you could at least PROVE something. Produce the news article you claimed existed - regarding Duane's wife's supposed theft from the apartments! You can't!
Not because anything was covered up, but because it never happened! There are some individuals who are very upset about the stories you have told. Have you been served papers?
Did you REALLY expect a book writer to invested a lot of his time and money into a project and NOT check out the things you told him? If he printed some of the things you have claimed in this thread, he would have had an attorney serving him papers.
Hoaxed or EXPOSED! What they won't do for a TV program these days.
QuoteI don't know nor have I ever talked to Bill's brother. Everything told to me was volunteered, not requested. Yes, Geoff knows the truth of what happened, and it ain't like you claim. He was forewarned he would be blackballed. He did it all by his lonesome, against my recommendations. Ask him. You are vicious without basis.
REALLY! How come everyone you talk to in person - WALKS away and when you are asked for proof all you give them is HOGWASH? Yet, you claim to have been the record keeper.
You pull them in with your story, but YOU can't even prove YOU even met Duane Weber, much less all of the other GARBAGE you spew out. Seems like you could at least PROVE something. Produce the news article you claimed existed - regarding Duane's wife's supposed theft from the apartments! You can't!
Not because anything was covered up, but because it never happened! There are some individuals who are very upset about the stories you have told. Have you been served papers?
Did you REALLY expect a book writer to invested a lot of his time and money into a project and NOT check out the things you told him? If he printed some of the things you have claimed in this thread, he would have had an attorney serving him papers.
Hoaxed or EXPOSED! What they won't do for a TV program these days.
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Occam is having a good laugh. An ambiguous straight object is seen on an old aerial photo. Oh, it's probably a landing gear strut from Amelia Earhart's Lockheed. Sorry Hillary, no cigar. That was reserved for Monica.
Find any period appropriare debris anywhere within a few hundred miles of Howland and TIGHAR will link it to Earhart. A shoe, a bone, a scrap piece of aluminum, they are all Amelia's.
Hey Bob. Was Earhart's crash staged in order to justify the establishment of long range navigation aids like LORAN A?
What post disappearance identities did Amelia and Fred assume?
377
Find any period appropriare debris anywhere within a few hundred miles of Howland and TIGHAR will link it to Earhart. A shoe, a bone, a scrap piece of aluminum, they are all Amelia's.
Hey Bob. Was Earhart's crash staged in order to justify the establishment of long range navigation aids like LORAN A?
What post disappearance identities did Amelia and Fred assume?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
There was a hot air balloon tragedy in Ga. in the last few days.
Edward Ristaino died in a Hot Air Balloon. 5 skyjumpers survived because he saw what was coming and found a field at 4000 ft and told them to GO. He did not have a chute and when this thing hit him it shot him up 17k or 18K and the balloon collapsed and twisted into a streamer. He was making transmission until he could see the tree tops. They did NOT find his body for 3 days.
This happened at a festival in Fitzgerald, Ga.
He saved the lives of the jumpers and the jumpers did NOT realize the seriousness of the situation. One skydiver said he regreted NOT strappjng the pilot in with him when he jumped, but did not realize how dire the situation was. The pilot of the balloon did not have a chute.
Edward Ristaino died in a Hot Air Balloon. 5 skyjumpers survived because he saw what was coming and found a field at 4000 ft and told them to GO. He did not have a chute and when this thing hit him it shot him up 17k or 18K and the balloon collapsed and twisted into a streamer. He was making transmission until he could see the tree tops. They did NOT find his body for 3 days.
This happened at a festival in Fitzgerald, Ga.
He saved the lives of the jumpers and the jumpers did NOT realize the seriousness of the situation. One skydiver said he regreted NOT strappjng the pilot in with him when he jumped, but did not realize how dire the situation was. The pilot of the balloon did not have a chute.
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Robert99 50
QuoteBlevins writes:
A separate thread regarding Amelia Earhart would not be a bad idea for DZ.
R99 replies:
QUADE! FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T LET AN EARHART THREAD GET STARTED ON DROPZONE! DRIVE A SILVER SPIKE THROUGH ITS HEART AND KILL IT DEADER THAN HELL!
Blevins writes:
About TIGHAR: You have to give them this much...they've done a lot of work with all the available radio transmissions, articles, diaries, and other documents related to Earhart.
R99 replies:
TIGHAR has an excellent web page, but their analysis of the end of her final flight is totally flawed.
Blevins writes:
OCCAM SAYS: Once Earhart and Noonan got down to a few hours' worth of fuel, and realized the radio and their navigation was getting them nowhere, they may have started just looking for a place to land. ANY place to land. Put yourself into their shoes for a moment. No com, not sure where they are anymore, flying time running out. You start looking for a spot other than WATER. Grab that map, get serious. Call me crazy, but that's what I'd do.
R99 replies:
If Occam said that then he is crazy and so are you.
Blevins writes:
I'm open to anything, but proof is required.
R99 replies:
Huh? Do the initials KC mean anything to you?
Mr. Shutter wrote:
QuoteThe Government could of easily put security measures into this without staging this event!
377 replied with:
"True. No elaborate staged skyjack was needed.
All they'd have to do is what they do now and that is to say that intelligence reports indicate increased threats and that new regs are necessary to insure public safety. That's all it has ever taken."
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The statement by 377 sums up my feelings and why I ditched the conspiracy theories through the yrs. The trail of Weber and his aka of multiple aliases was involved in "an effort" the government or others DO NOT want made public.
Weber's confession caught certain organizations OFF Guard. Not because they were involved in the skyjacking, but because a smart investigator digging into the backgound of Weber would learned somethings our own government did NOT want known.
The government nor any other organization was involved in the skyjacking. If the FBI had gone where I have been - they would KNOW Duane Weber was more than a common criminal - he was a man on the run. Weber was running from John Collins! This will be explained in the near future - perhaps on "Exposed"!
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When certain parties figure this post out - the game is OVER!
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