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I know many lefties who still put the tie clasps on "properly" so as to fulfill their function.
I read the files released and on the various pages, they say "identified by..." or "Agent.." I tend to go with those as closer to actual fact, than "in my head" and "because I said so".
Don't be mad because a flaw is pointed out. Your claim, like others, is to only know the truth, accept the fact that that truth may mean Duane really was just a two bit hood with marginal mid level organized crime connection and he fooled you.
He may have had nothing to do with Copper other than having been in the area at one point in his life.
Matt
I read the files released and on the various pages, they say "identified by..." or "Agent.." I tend to go with those as closer to actual fact, than "in my head" and "because I said so".
Don't be mad because a flaw is pointed out. Your claim, like others, is to only know the truth, accept the fact that that truth may mean Duane really was just a two bit hood with marginal mid level organized crime connection and he fooled you.
He may have had nothing to do with Copper other than having been in the area at one point in his life.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
QuoteI know many lefties who still put the tie clasps on "properly" so as to fulfill their function.
I read the files released and on the various pages, they say "identified by..." or "Agent.." I tend to go with those as closer to actual fact, than "in my head" and "because I said so".
Don't be mad because a flaw is pointed out. Your claim, like others, is to only know the truth, accept the fact that that truth may mean Duane really was just a two bit hood with marginal mid level organized crime connection and he fooled you.
He may have had nothing to do with Copper other than having been in the area at one point in his life.
Matt
Note that when the ties became wider - some of the clips did NOT serve their "purpose" but were worn because they like it or memories were attached to the clip - for example a special gift.
Why was the tie and clip NOT introduced as evidence immediately (the tie was not found during the initial search of the plane)? It was 3 to 4 hours before the tie was found between the two seats. This was told to me by Mr. H. He said the tie was NOT found ON the seat. I have read other accounting that say the tie was not found for 3 or 4 days (not true). Do the FBI files you are reading reflect any of this information?
As for getting mad - no! I get perplexed at all of the conflicting information made available and that causes me to search for the FACTs regarding the perplexing information. Please quote the "file" you referred to. Some of the files have never been made available to me and others. I do NOT have a complete - stat on the FBI records, but maybe you do.
This mean quotes made immediately after the crime by FBI and during the search of the plane.
As for Duane's connections to WA they are real. What is mysterious about his connections to WA that the FBI DENIED Duane Weber was EVER a resident of WA. If you will recall in March of 2000 the FBI stated Duane had NOT been a resident of McNeil and then retracted that statement with this
"Your husband passed thru McNeil".
I already knew he had Passed thru McNeil, but the records show he was there for several months (over a year) and the family said he was not there more than a few wks. The sister told me family or friends of the family in WASHINGTON state interacted to bring about this result. She could not remember their names. She was a young woman busy with her own life and was not living at home.
Duane was a late life baby....and also remember that when he was sentenced to McNeil - the judge was using a birthdate that was NOT correct making Duane older than he actually was. He in actuality was NOT 21 yrs old - therefore should not have been sent to a prison designed for hardcore criminals.
This is reflected in the McNeil file stating his birthdate as being 1920 when Duane Weber was not born until 1924. I have a copy of the ACTUAL records - the one I was holding in my hands in 2000 when an "fbi agent' told me my husband had never been a resident of McNeil.
It was callus errors like this that caused me to go public in the first place.
The file also states he was married for a yr. Which is why I have looked for a child born between 1944 and 1946. Named Zona - mother named Edna. That is all I could ever find.
Duane stated the last time he saw the child was when she was 9 yrs old. Duane was incarcerated in SanQuentin and Folsom until 1957 - which means if he was correct or I am correct in my memory of what he told me that he was in Prison when the child turned 9. Between his transfer from one prison to the other during the last yrs 1954 there was an accounting of his being taken overnight to a facility. This according to research done by the thread was perhaps a medical facility.
If he child was born in 1945 she would have been approximately 9 yrs old at that time (this was Soledad, CA). Since I do NOT believe a child was allowed to visit the prisons - I expect this is when he got to see his little girl for perhaps the only time. He told me when he saw his child at the age of 9 - she said she NEVER wanted to see him again.
Since Duane had to be in prison when the child turned 9 - this window seems to be the only opportunity that could have been aafford to him. On July 1955 he was tranported from SanQuentin to Folsom. This could also have been a window in which he could have seen his child. He was paroled in 1957 while his mother was on diaylsis. We also know he violated that parole and was arrested at Treasure Island commiting other crimes.
His mother died on May 9 1958.
We know that Duane was perhaps in prison or jail because he ends up at Canon City.Co (a prison) in 1960. At Canon City there were some very very unusal thing going on during those yrs. The old residents of Canon City will tell you some mysterious stories about strange strange things going on in connection with the prison regarding the military.
Hence Duane Weber's connection to Paperleg Petersen - rather his "reconnection" to Paperlegs.
His first connection was in WA, ID and OR. This connection would remain intact until 1962 thru 1964. Another connection was made during the winter of 1979.
Did Paperlegs have a package or message left for him during the great white out during that time in Co in 1979. I know he did. Someone left something for him at his home.
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Matt you seem to speak with authority about this The FBI has a Tie with a Clasp, and it is the TIE identified by the Flight Attendant as the one "Cooper" wore.
Please STATE YOUR SOURCE for that information. Is it stated in the FBI FILES? This is just more and more of facts versus myths.
Have you spoke to the stewardess yourself about the tie? What are your souces?
Are you taking a note from another poster or a book written by someone one with an agenda and subject? Remember this - What often gets into a book is not always FACT! I know that and anyone who has ever had anything written about them multiple times will attest to this fact - things get changed by the author and twisted. Then you have the perception of the reader.
Myth versus FACT! WHAT is it?
I do realize you have the availability of many sources the normal "Jo" on the street does NOT have, but please identify your source on such an important "fact"? Is it fact or simply repetitions of a claim made by a writer. Note that not all of Himmelsbach's book is accurate, because he did NOT pen the book himself. Mr. H told me that even though he proofed the book some things got by him. He requested a few things be restated and some were and some where not. The published book has some errors and inaccuracies in it, but it is the closest as to the actually accounting we will ever get other the the FBI files.
Think about how many ways the story of the FOUND chute have been told. Even articles by the same authors state the "facts" differently in different articles. It is getting difficult for even the authorities to keep the facts straight as evidenced by the FBI's 'LOST" continuation of FACTS about LD Cooper.
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