DB Cooper

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His mother died on May 9 1958. We know that Duane was perhaps in prison or jail because he ends up at Canon City.Co (a prison) in 1960. At Canon City there were some very very unusal thing going on during those yrs. The old residents of Canon City will tell you some mysterious stories about strange strange things going on in connection with the prison regarding the military.

Hence Duane Weber's connection to Paperleg Petersen or rather his "reconnection" to Paperlegs.

His first connection was in WA, ID and OR in the late 40's. They would reconnect 1962 thru 1964. Another connection was made during the winter of 1979.

Did Paperlegs have a package or message left for him during the great white-out during that time in Co in 1979. I know he did. Someone left something for him at his home.

When the FBI explains the above MAYBE I will go away, but until then - it is NOT over until the FAT LADY sings or dies.

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You need to stop talking in these silly codes and what if scenes.

Memories are flawed and with out actual evidence not admissible in the case.

You're starting to make some odd connections like BK did, it starts to make your story even less plausible, mostly because there is nothing to back then up, just like all of BK's claims.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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You need to stop talking in these silly codes and what if scenes.

Memories are flawed and with out actual evidence not admissible in the case.

You're starting to make some odd connections like BK did, it starts to make your story even less plausible, mostly because there is nothing to back then up, just like all of BK's claims.

Matt

Mathew until you walk in my shoes do NOT say I am talking codes and what if scenes - be specific to the exact phrase or incident I am speaking of. Remember I lived and WORKED with this man for 17 yrs.

What are you referring to as code?

What are you referring to as a what if scene?

Be specific, Please.

Yes, there are what IF's involved in trying to figure out when he may have seen his little girl.
There are 2 windows and 2 windows only. The shift from one prison to the other and the Soledad visit which was NOT too far from where his parents lived at that time. These are NOT WHAT IF! THESE are windows of opportunity.

I am trying to sort out any possible time windows.

THERE is NO "what if" regarding Duane knowing Paperlegs. The only thing is the time frames.

But Duane was known to be in WA and Or and ID during the same time frame Paperlegs was there - 1945 to 1950. Duane stated he knew Paperlegs.

It is a FACT Duane was in Canon City during the time Paperlegs was there. The wife from 1962 to 1972 - has stated that Duane knew Paperlegs - the window of time was 1962 to 1964 - same place and locations as Paperlegs and his operation.

The wife had pictures made in the area near - the area called
IN PLANE SITE. She was with 2 other women standing around talking. They were there for 3 months - she hated it.

I was with Duane in 1979 when he made a trip to Landon to see Paperlegs (I only knew the name Richard Peterson). I did not meet the man - but I read the name on the card. Duane said he needed to make this trip alone. He just told me it was someone he used to know.

You cannot compare REAL memories with the fiction. These are the memories of my life with Duane Weber - please state the what if scene. There are NO WHAT IFS regarding the times I spent with my husband and the things we did and the things he told me.

When I refer to what someone else told me - NO, I don't have much to back those up other than a few recordings of some conversations and some things in writing. The "what ifs" come in the things told to me by a third party.

Sorry if you think I write in codes - I do not really know how to do that. I do jump around in my thoughts - this is the major reason I cannot get thru to others. I think they should know and remember all of the things I have told about Weber and others and his history over the yrs. Have you read the thread in it entirety?

Have you ever sat down and talked with me - and spent days with me. This story is so convoluted I could talk to other for wks and perhaps NOT remember to tell them all I know.
Now I am starting to forget things - an aging process.

Again - Please state what you think is code and what ifs. I will try to clarify.

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You need to stop talking in these silly codes and what if scenes.

Memories are flawed and with out actual evidence not admissible in the case.

You're starting to make some odd connections like BK did, it starts to make your story even less plausible, mostly because there is nothing to back then up, just like all of BK's claims.

Matt

Odd connections? I have made these connection since get go.

The emory cloth - that is real. Did he use this on the plane - yes, I am FISHING- perhaps one of the habits or what is unknown about D.B.Cooper might be his putting his hands in his pocket many times. It has been stated by the FBI the fingerprints they found which they believe may have been Cooper's are only particial prints.

How did Cooper manage NOT to leave any identifiable prints.

Possibilities
1. He did not have a record.
2. He was in the service BEFORE they started to keep prints.

How can a man spend that many hours on a plane and NOT leave identifiable prints. Since Cooper was very careful not to leave prints (this would indicate he could be identified by his prints).

Per the forensic capabilities in 1971 - just what are we looking at. Today Cooper would not be able to vanish without a trace or could he?

The FBI was eager enough to check out the prints of L.D. Cooper - having only a guitar string with which to compare! Now that was stupid unless they were looking for something BESIDES normal prints.

What did the FBI REASONABLY expect to find with a guitar string?
Prints - I really doubt that!

What perhaps they were looking for was a substance that could possibly have been used by guitar players OR the fact that pickers may have had unusual striations in their prints. The use of emory cloths could and would cause striations of the prints and smooth areas.

Perhaps they thought being a guitar player might explain why Cooper figeted in his pockets with his fingers!

Now this sound like BK - right!
I did NOT and still do NOT know how emory cloths could have been used - ALL guess work.
The kind of guess work that solves crimes.

The FACT Duane stated the reason for use of emory cloths and that he used emory cloths - is TRUE. What do they have to do with D.B.Cooper?

Hell, your guess is as good as
mine! I had pushed the emory cloths out of my mind until
a substance was found on the tie that was NOT supposed to be there. What I have done using what I actually know about Weber is to suggest how these particles got on the tie.

I have run things by the thread about Weber that might connect him to those particles, but received no positive responses. That is all I did was run things past the thread to share with those who may know the answers or explore the possiblities. .

I forget WHY I brought up the emery cloth. It was something I put in the past, but had shared before with others. The particle found on the tie triggered my digging as deep into the past of Weber as I could and to list any possible connections such as employment. The emory cloth I thought might explain the particle - so I threw it out there. NOT as fact, but so someone could look at the possiblities of that special metal and emery cloth.

I am just a dummy about many things - so all I can do is relate what I do know. NOT many WHAT ifs in the background of my life with Weber...other than I was just a clueless dummy. What I tell about my life with Duane is not distorted memories... What my memories failed to do is compensate for time and space when it counted.

I can remember what Ed Huran's
apartment looked like in 1978 in Denver,CO. NO nothing near unforgettable's memory, but my memory is very good. I do not remember names well nor numbers or addresses. I remember places and things said...why I did NOT want to go to SALT LAKE on our trip. I remembered this same trip with my father when I was 13 yrs old. I remember the thing Duane did and said there and what he instructed me to do.

I remember places and things said to me...I may miss the yr by a couple. I cannot remember things from stressful times in my life - they are things you want to forget...or choose to forget. Some think it odd I remember the births of my children - the actual birthing process...of both in detail, but do NOT remember the Dr.s name or our address during each birth.

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How did Cooper manage NOT to leave any identifiable prints.

Possibilities
1. He did not have a record.
2. He was in the service BEFORE they started to keep prints.

How can a man spend that many hours on a plane and NOT leave identifiable prints. Since Cooper was very careful not to leave prints (this would indicate he could be identified by his prints).

Jo, It was well known at least 25 years before the 1971 hijacking that a little model airplane glue on each finger would make the fingerprints unidentifiable. Every crook in the country plus ever 10 year old kid building model airplanes probably knew this.

The military and the FBI were keeping finger print files long before Duane Weber or anyone else was in the military during WW2.

Matt and others have given you some sound advice about Duane over the years. You can't bring yourself to believe anything they tell you because you are so fixated on being known, for only God knows what reason, as Mrs. Dan Cooper.

Recently, you hinted in a post that you were getting ready to go public. Presumably you are interested in putting out another Cooper book. Is that correct?

[mrshutter45 21]

LD Cooper was supposedly making guitar straps, not strings, would be extremely hard to pull prints off of string

as for the prints, I would guess that FBI could have taken bad print samples because I think most of them are not very good, so you can't say that all of the bad prints the FBI has are from one person.


sorry 99, thought I was replying to Jo

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[smokin99 0]

Does anyone know what's up with this? Like whether these are the same declassified files that you can read from the FBI website for free? just curious... they have them on other "subjects" as well..Marilyn Monroe, Ted Bundy, etc.....

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files [NOOK Book]

by
Federal Bureau of Investigation

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is a collection of the official declassified Federal Bureau of Investigation files from the D. B. Cooper case. D. B. Cooper was the name used by the unknown individual who committed the only unsolved hijacking in the United States. This publication features the actual original scanned FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act. D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is highly recommended for those interested in reading the official declassified FBI files related to the D. B. Cooper case.
$4.99

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

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Does anyone know what's up with this? Like whether these are the same declassified files that you can read from the FBI website for free? just curious... they have them on other "subjects" as well..Marilyn Monroe, Ted Bundy, etc.....

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files [NOOK Book]

by
Federal Bureau of Investigation

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is a collection of the official declassified Federal Bureau of Investigation files from the D. B. Cooper case. D. B. Cooper was the name used by the unknown individual who committed the only unsolved hijacking in the United States. This publication features the actual original scanned FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act. D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is highly recommended for those interested in reading the official declassified FBI files related to the D. B. Cooper case.
$4.99

for the price of $4.99 I would say it's the same files, they put it on ebook which is a pretty cool program.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Does anyone know what's up with this? Like whether these are the same declassified files that you can read from the FBI website for free? just curious... they have them on other "subjects" as well..Marilyn Monroe, Ted Bundy, etc.....

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files [NOOK Book]

by
Federal Bureau of Investigation

D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is a collection of the official declassified Federal Bureau of Investigation files from the D. B. Cooper case. D. B. Cooper was the name used by the unknown individual who committed the only unsolved hijacking in the United States. This publication features the actual original scanned FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act. D. B. Cooper: The FBI Files is highly recommended for those interested in reading the official declassified FBI files related to the D. B. Cooper case.
$4.99

for the price of $4.99 I would say it's the same files, they put it on ebook which is a pretty cool program.

yeah, I guess....I do love my Nook, but I don't know if I'd pay 5.00 bucks for a bunch of pdf files I can read for free. Oh well, each to his own.

Lol..maybe they need a slush fund in case they might be taking a trip to Columbia sometime soon.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

I emailed them asking if they were the same declassified files from the FBI's website just to make sure

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I emailed them asking if they were the same declassified files from the FBI's website just to make sure

Can you please post a link so we can check it out. Thanks.

[mrshutter45 21]

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I emailed them asking if they were the same declassified files from the FBI's website just to make sure

Can you please post a link so we can check it out. Thanks.

here ya go http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/d-b-cooper-federal-bureau-of-investigation/1105130015

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

"Hell, your guess is as good as
mine! I had pushed the emory cloths out of my mind until
a substance was found on the tie that was NOT supposed to be there. What I have done using what I actually know about Weber is to suggest how these particles got on the tie."

It's not the fact of "not supposed to be there" it's the fact that Titanium was not widely used there for it it narrow's the Possibilities of who could of been around this material.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

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I emailed them asking if they were the same declassified files from the FBI's website just to make sure

here is Barnes & Nobles's response


Thank you for contacting us about the NOOK Book D.B. Cooper.

We appreciate your interest with B&N and in taking the time to know more
about our products.

We checked our website, and it shows that there is a NOOK Book “D. B.
Cooper: The FBI Files”. According to the Overview, “D. B. Cooper: The
FBI Files” is a collection of the official declassified Federal Bureau
of Investigation files from the D. B. Cooper case, which is the content
you could be looking for.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[smokin99 0]

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I emailed them asking if they were the same declassified files from the FBI's website just to make sure

here is Barnes & Nobles's response


Thank you for contacting us about the NOOK Book D.B. Cooper.

We appreciate your interest with B&N and in taking the time to know more
about our products.

We checked our website, and it shows that there is a NOOK Book “D. B.
Cooper: The FBI Files”. According to the Overview, “D. B. Cooper: The
FBI Files” is a collection of the official declassified Federal Bureau
of Investigation files from the D. B. Cooper case, which is the content
you could be looking for.

In other words, they don't know either. Like you, I would guess they are one and the same.
If anyone happens to purchase a copy, let us cheapskates know for sure
Thanks for your efforts Mr. S.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Jo, It was well known at least 25 years before the 1971 hijacking that a little model airplane glue on each finger would make the fingerprints unidentifiable. Every crook in the country plus ever 10 year old kid building model airplanes probably knew this.

The military and the FBI were keeping finger print files long before Duane Weber or anyone else was in the military during WW2.

Jo replies:


The airplane glue thing - that is a good one - never heard that before.

I am not fixated on being know as Mrs. Cooper - I only want some truths about my husband's past. IF the FBI could actual rule Weber out - this needs to be shared with the widow. The FBI has NOT been forthcoming with any FACTS other than prints (that is all they stated in the letter I received). The things CARR stated in this thread have NOT been officially communicated to me in writing by the FBI.

I will not state what I am up to regarding going public. A book is a useless waste of time - that is ALL I will say on the matter at this time.

If one had proof the FBI actually screwed up - where would you take it? Would you go to the FBI or would you go over their heads or would you go public in a way they could NOT stop? What would you do?

Evidently you yourself have more than a passing interest in this subject. Why?

Now I am the one asking questions.

P.S. If I was JUST wanting to be knowns as Mrs Dan Cooper as you put it - I could have done that at several times already.

Before I ever went public - someone contacted me and even arranged contracts. I said NO - that I needed more than what I had. These guys were just bandwagon jumpers.

Another guy - talked me into 12 hrs of interviews and then I find out he is NOT a published writer and his querry letter did NOT have ONE word of truth in it.
I fired him.

There were others - even one who has done a Cooper Book.

Historians I talk to. Historians I like to work with. There is NO money in research and writing a book about a man's past - or is there? What if a historian was working hand in hand with movie producers - now that one is something to think about.

People who are interested in investigating old crimes - I like to talk to. Some of them lurk right here in this thread. You are one of thoses - right?

Getting Cooper right is dealing with facts - not myths. If someone had proof the FBI screwed up - now that would be a story! Right!

Pick any of the above or something I have not mentioned such as news media.

No one will care until the FAT LADY SINGS!

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LD Cooper was supposedly making guitar straps, not strings, would be extremely hard to pull prints off of string

as for the prints, I would guess that FBI could have taken bad print samples because I think most of them are not very good, so you can't say that all of the bad prints the FBI has are from one person.

sorry 99, thought I was replying to Jo

Exactly! Himmelsbach has stated there were "58 plus latent prints" - that may have belonged to Cooper and others. These prints were so smudged and damaged they have not been able to match them to anyone on the plane.

I will re-interate one more time - you guys need to ACTUAL find out when the Navy and Army started to do fingerprint and find out how long it took them to actually implement this.

The national fingerprint database was very flawed in the beginning regarding criminals and the history of fingerprints with the armed service is a different animal.

Bet Matt could provide some information on this...come on Matt lets see how good you are.
This is one subject we have NOT explored with someone who is actually in the KNOW. Military fingerprints. What about covert groups - were they printed (the soldier of fortune characters). Where they NOT provided with special treatment?

What has NEVER been discussed is HOW or WHY Cooper could spend several hours on that plane and not leave any legible fingerprints. What has the FBI not told about Cooper? What strange thing did he do that only they would know about? Did they think he might have a nervous habit with his fingers?

Did they note he spent a lot of time with his hands in his pocket for some reason and seemed to be making odd movements in the pocket or jacket? Obviously they noted he was very careful about what he touched!

Take the matches - he touched them after Tina lit his smoke - so he took them. I discussed a book of matches with Himmelsbach during the first yr. I was talking to him. I told him about the things in the drawer.

I told him about the match book and what color it was and that it had something green on it with a faded blue cover. I told him what Duane told me about the match book and how upset he got with me...ordered me NOT to do anything with the things in that drawer. Well, after he died and those things were just junk to me so out they went. The piece of chute I sold at a garage sale and did not know what it was until the man told me it was part of a chute harness...I didn't get it even then.

The Book of matches was gone almost immediately as trash.

The piece of plexiglass and Mickey I still have. I thought it was endearing he had kept a toy and for what reason I do not know. The glass thing made a good paperweight. The loop and things in a jar in the garage got thrown away.

I did NOT know who Dan Cooper was!

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"Hell, your guess is as good as
mine! I had pushed the emory cloths out of my mind until
a substance was found on the tie that was NOT supposed to be there. What I have done using what I actually know about Weber is to suggest how these particles got on the tie."

It's not the fact of "not supposed to be there" it's the fact that Titanium was not widely used there for it it narrow's the Possibilities of who could of been around this material.

We are saying the same thing. I did not know what emery cloths were used for nor what they were made of - but, brought them up because of the possibility they could be linked to this titanium found on the tie.

I have provided Duane's work history (what was earned with his SS number and reported to the government). Interlock Nut and Bolt was during the last yr before the crime. Did they use Titanium? I have NO idea what Weber did in that place - he never told me. I have NO idea what facilities he may have had contact with in regards to this employment.

I do know he also worked at nights at the Land of the Midnight Sun in the kitchen and he helped a car collector with odd jobs to pick up extra money. He & his wife cleaned out old houses for the junk they took out to sell. Duane was a thief - maybe he stole that cheap tie. Duane was broke that yr - maybe he bought it at a garage sale or flea market. How titanium got on the tie - will never be known.

It does seem the best possible prints the FBI could have gotten would have been off of that clip and the two things one pinches to put the tie on.

Where are those prints?

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[mrshutter45 21]

The clip is extremely small Jo, I mean micro small, there is not enough space on the clip to get any prints.

Since you have trouble with video, I will put some photo's up on the size and show you how small this clip is.

The only area in which a print would be found would be on the pearl face and this would also be a partial print due to the size and if you were putting the clip on, you would probably smudge the print.

1905

U.S. Army begins using fingerprints.

U.S. Department of Justice forms the Bureau of Criminal Identification in Washington, DC to provide a centralized reference collection of fingerprint cards.

Two years later the U.S. Navy started, and was joined the next year by the Marine Corp. During the next 25 years more and more law enforcement agencies join in the use of fingerprints as a means of personal identification. Many of these agencies began sending copies of their fingerprint cards to the National Bureau of Criminal Identification, which was established by the International Association of Police Chiefs.


http://onin.com/fp/fphistory.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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The clip is extremely small Jo, I mean micro small, there is not enough space on the clip to get any prints.

Since you have trouble with video, I will put some photo's up on the size and show you how small this clip is.

The only area in which a print would be found would be on the pearl face and this would also be a partial print due to the size and if you were putting the clip on, you would probably smudge the print.

Thanks, I would appreciate that.
Sounds REAL small - I can't even imagine a clip being "small".

Read the next post!

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[Robert99 50]

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The clip is extremely small Jo, I mean micro small, there is not enough space on the clip to get any prints.

Since you have trouble with video, I will put some photo's up on the size and show you how small this clip is.

The only area in which a print would be found would be on the pearl face and this would also be a partial print due to the size and if you were putting the clip on, you would probably smudge the print.

1905

U.S. Army begins using fingerprints.

U.S. Department of Justice forms the Bureau of Criminal Identification in Washington, DC to provide a centralized reference collection of fingerprint cards.

Two years later the U.S. Navy started, and was joined the next year by the Marine Corp. During the next 25 years more and more law enforcement agencies join in the use of fingerprints as a means of personal identification. Many of these agencies began sending copies of their fingerprint cards to the National Bureau of Criminal Identification, which was established by the International Association of Police Chiefs.


http://onin.com/fp/fphistory.html

Jo,

You are just blowing more smoke about fingerprints. In case you haven't considered it, fingerprints were quite useful in identifying bodies of military personnel. That is, assuming that they could be recovered from the bodies.

Will your blowing the whistle on the FBI be featured on "Sixty Minutes", "UFOs land in Florida", or "Tales of the Paranormal"? Or perhaps the "Evening News from Pluto"?

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Find this site and then read to your hearts content...but unless you know what you are looking for (note the records are only available if you GO there) you will be lost.

There are THOSE who KNOW what is hiding within - that includes the Federal Government and it's enforcement agencies.

ONE man came forward about 15 yrs ago to make a confession and he did this publically on TV. He allowed someone else to go to war in his place...it is NOT part of this site, but did happen.

I have spoke of this before, but was ignored. The site below is part of the Cooper story.

Note most of these files are sealed until 2020. Access is available, but you have to GO to where they are and KNOW what you are looking for....then you have to sign away your life or live it in silence. Beware - you may be barred from viewing some of the files even after the expense of going there in person.


http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/peace/conscientiousobjection/c.o.list.htm

Georger, Georger, Georger - my my what secrets we do keep!
I have sat on this for several yrs now. So have FUN FUN FUN!

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Robert99 said:

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You are just blowing more smoke about fingerprints. In case you haven't considered it, fingerprints were quite useful in identifying bodies of military personnel. That is, assuming that they could be recovered from the bodies.

Jo states:
NOT hardly - Duane Weber was in the Navy from 6/18/41 to 5/30/42 and discharged with a bad conduct discharge. There was NO record of his Army record, but I found only the entry date prior to the FBI getting into this with Wavy Greene and claiming they made a mistake in one digit in MAR of 2000. BULL!

I was able to find Weber had been in the Army March 31,1943. The FBI told me NO and that the number belonged to Wavy Greene. Well, that agent had to EAT his words. Duane's discharge day from the Army was NOT listed....but in papers acquired AFTER my confrontation with the agent - suddenly - miraculously a discharge date appeared on the files - July 14, 1943. It took the Army 6 wks to find out Duane had been in the Navy.

I made a post just a few moment ago and it went POOF. I think perhaps my keystrokes are monitored.

The print system did NOT go into full force until the 60's and even then it was flawed - inmates working in the offices and other such monkey business going on.

Remember this - if the print system was being used in the military in 1941 - then how do you account for the CO's whose information is still secret in many cases.

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Mrshutter45
When I talked with Tom Kayne at the Burke Museum, he told me the Titaniun he found on the tie was probably from match heads as DB was a smoker and would have used matches.
However, he also found a curlyque of aluminum (about 1/16 inch long) which would have come from a machining process like a lathe. Sounds like DB might have worked in the Boeing labs and around the scrap tub skids. A good source of aluminum (and Titanium) for home projects. When looking in the tub skid, your tie hangs into the tub skid too and could pick-up dust of both Titanium and aluminum curlyques.

Bob Sailshaw

[mrshutter45 21]

"When I talked with Tom Kayne at the Burke Museum, he told me the Titaniun he found on the tie was probably from match heads as DB was a smoker and would have used matches."

If this is true, Tom needs to rewrite his pages on CS site.

Fact: Microscopic metallic titanium pieces were found on Cooper's tie.
Fact: In 1971, titanium was a strategic metal primarily used in military aircraft, some civilian aircraft and highly corrosive industrial plants. Metalic titanium was not found in consumer products at that time.

Fact: All titanium used in aircraft is alloyed and the Cooper material was pure titanium.
Interpretation: Due to the lack of alloyed titanium, Cooper did not work in the aircraft industry.
Fact: Spiral chips of aluminum and other exotic metals like bismuth and stainless steel were found on the tie.
Fact: Spiral aluminum chips of the type found on the tie are made in metal fabrication plants that use lathes and drill presses.
Interpretation: Cooper worked in or had access to, an exotic metal fabrication facility that contained titanium, aluminum and other specialty metals.
Fact: In 1971, only engineers and managers in fabrication plants wore ties to work.
Interpretation: Cooper was a either a manager or engineer.
Further interpretation: Cooper's knowledge of the workings of the airplane, the use of the parachute, and his construction of a "bomb" suggests he may have been an engineer.


http://www.citizensleuths.com/titaniumparticles.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI