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Matt please understand that the below post is NOT to KNOCK you but to point out - what happens on Internet sites - even FBI Sites.


Jo Stated:
"They" actually went to the N.W. before May of 1945. It was only the OFFICIAL move of the battalion in May this is referencing. SOME of THESE GUYS were ALREADY training in the WA area and housed at a place where locals noted strange thing had been going on."


Matt Replies:
Any proof? even the Officers of the unit dispute this, the Army Records, USFS, as does Derry's notes, and the book "The History of Smoke Jumpers".


Use your FACT checker again!
The entire UNIT was not sent out until the operation was approved and preparations made.

As for Officers of the unit disputing this - only 3 remain alive from the original 555's sent to the N.W. - all three IF still alive are very old. In their 80's and 90's. I am not privey to if any one of these were in the actual number of guys who went out earlier that same yr for the do ability/preliminaries of the project.


As for obtaining the skills - let the authorities do a little of the work! After all the original experimental jumps tested by Derry used some unskilled first time jumpers - and they survived.

Driving an A/C Carrier versus jumping out of a plane. Well if you had already been told your life span was not going to be long and you would go thru hell getting there...might not you take that chance?


It is apparent Cooper did NOT expect to survive. Are YOU privey to the conversation between Cooper and Tina? NO you aren't! I will never forget what she told me on the phone.
"He was a very SAD man!"


The FBI would not even have this information until I (Jo Weber) disclosed it on this thread and then they made it part of their Official FBI Site! Now do you see what I mean about information - look at the source of this one - from Jo Weber's conversation with Tina Mucklow...an unofficial conversation related by one party on a D.B. Cooper Drop Zone thread.


Agent Larry Carr extracted that from the thread and it ended up on the Official FBI site regarding Dan Cooper aka DB Cooper.

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Jo, You didn't need a security clearance. All you needed to do was open your eyes and look up. I and other people I know did exactly that and what we saw didn't send us running for a bomb shelter (we didn't have one in the first place) nor did it cause us to panic.

You should start calling yourself Mrs. Knoss.

Robert99

How old were you in 1945?
Your answer is relevant to your age. Please be accurate.

As for calling myself Mrs. Knoss - lets NOT go that far! At least I have documents and actual files -even if like Knoss it is out of my reach!

Several people helped compile all of the stuff and it dates back to 1998 (plus old stuff dating back to the 20's). I printed out sites and others did also for me before I learned to use a computer. It is amazing the changes in sites - the verbage and the general exchanging of information.

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ok, now I'm understanding what you are saying.

#1 Websites are generally made by normal people
#2 unsolved mysteries can lead one to false information, this is where you will find conflicting websites.
#3 I would still go by the website made specifically for that task, I'm sure some information might be a little skewed but the over all portion of a website built by them for people to see history unfold would be a trusted site in my opinion.
#4 this is why a good investigator will check several sources before coming to any conclusions.

you must always go by trusted sources, the FBI site is a trusted source but will have incorrect data on it. this will always be a fact when you are involved in any unsolved case.

#5 any unsolved case leaves doors open for people like Knoss to construct a story to fit his needs, I have a similar problem with a guy in Australia showing fake ghost videos, this guy acts just like Knoss in his comments made against him, no matter what you tell this guy or even show him how the video was made he comes back with some sort of crazy response to try and validate what he is showing! this will always happen with the unsolved and unknown!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo, You didn't need a security clearance. All you needed to do was open your eyes and look up. I and other people I know did exactly that and what we saw didn't send us running for a bomb shelter (we didn't have one in the first place) nor did it cause us to panic.

You should start calling yourself Mrs. Knoss.

Robert99

How old were you in 1945?
Your answer is relevant to your age. Please be accurate.

As for calling myself Mrs. Knoss - lets NOT go that far! At least I have documents and actual files -even if like Knoss it is out of my reach!

Several people helped compile all of the stuff and it dates back to 1998 (plus old stuff dating back to the 20's). I printed out sites and others did also for me before I learned to use a computer. It is amazing the changes in sites - the verbage and the general exchanging of information.

Jo, If the age you have given previously is correct, then I am older than you. I also was old enough in the 1945 era to know what I saw and I don't need your so-called "experts" to provide the information or to refresh my memory.

It should be noted that my information dates from the actual events in the 1945 era and not 1998 as you state your sources do.

Further, you indicate that some of your sources go back to the 1920s. What is the subject of those sources?

Your lectures to Matt (as well as myself) basically is that his first hand experience with certain matters is inferior to your sources. And your sources don't agree with the writings of the actual people involved in the matter.

You need to stick to facts and not generate fairey tales to support your claims about being Mrs. D. B. Cooper.

Robert99

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If only there was a way to convert ego and self importance into a form of energy or at least the fertilizer it resembles to grow crops. The global hunger crisis would be solved from the output of this thread alone. How many logic trains have been derailed or are jamming down a dirt road for a dive off the cliffs known as Oblivious and Wild Ass Assumption?

How many painfully painful soliloquies can be excruciatingly hacked, with total faux authority, on the deployment speed of a jumper from the aft stairs of a 727? It never stops, it never stops; how such precise control and training is required by the cadre of happy go lucky, humble, fun to be around, gee the world wishes they could be you; group known as sport skydivers.

Forget the tens of thousands of WWII veterans who managed to jump, sans training, from aircraft which would be defined as anything other than, straight and level, one G and a ‘Green’. How much empirical data does it take to realize that the average goober could, in fact, jump from a plane, with little or no experience? Would 100,000 examples be enough for the delicate blooms which apparently represent a paratrooper’s self confidence, to realize it’s not as big of a deal as you make it out to be? I personally have known half a dozen men who jumped out of vehicles which included the: F-4, F-15, B-17 and P-38. Interesting to note, the P-38 jock survived in spite of having the side of his cranium shot off exposing his brain. How do you think his freefall arch looked since he permanently lost the use of a leg and arm from the head trauma? PLF? Nope, I’m sure it was ugly but he survived and was a teacher at my high school.

Ever heard of Martin McNally? Didn’t think so:

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/485/485.F2d.398.73-1061.html


Don’t you worry just read the first few paragraphs to get the flavor of McNally. He actually hijacked not one 727, but three, and managed to make off with the most cash at $502,000 (I realize how case studies are despised). My goodness he must be some sort of aviation mastermind with training so complex, that no one can imagine. Plus he jumped at the record setting speed of….. wait for it…. little bit longer….. beg me…. OK, it was 263 knots true, at 10,000 feet. Wow, that should make some pansy, GI Joe paratrooper’s testicles implode, creating a pair of little pink clouds of Pixie dust. Yep, McNally hijacked three planes with more than half a million and jumped more than eighty knots faster than Cooper. What a stud. But wait, there’s more.

The aircrew sensed a pressure change (this was asked earlier) and radioed that the hijacker had bailed (cue sirens, that teletype noise and a wolf’s howl because I like it). So McNally with all his training and aviation expertise manages to land somewhere. He’s just fine except he lost his money, his gun and….. wait for it….. little longer….. his PANTS! He manages to land and releases the chute and starts walking.

Now there’s the government worker who has twenty years experience in law enforcement, and he’s listening to the radio crackle with news of a hijacker reportedly parachuting in the vicinity of Peru, Indiana. What luck because that’s where he is patrolling. He represents the best expertise the compulsory tax base can buy. So McNally is walking down the road with shit in his hair and a scratched face and no pants, when Sheriff Halfbrite pulls up and gives him a ride to the nearest motel. You bet, those decades of law enforcement experience meant something…… that he could retire in three more years. McNally phones his accomplice in Michigan and gets a ride home where his mission was a little bit of a failure, but far more successful than the many others who jumped.

McNally’s money was eventually found (by farmers) along with the gun, chute and a pair of pants. Over one hundred police and FBI scoured the countryside for the elusive master thief, expert jumper, aviation ‘sky-god’ and weapons expert, because that gave them boners. But the identity of the mystery man was not known as he was simply too sly and well trained by the very government who made him a special ops, spy and bottle washer. Then the FBI through brilliant investigative techniques, spunk and average hearing noticed a ringing phone. They answered and listened to McNally’s accomplice rat him out.

You bet it made headlines when the Bandit of Flight 821 was unmasked. He was exactly as law enforcement had imagined. This is if law enforcement imagined the hijacker was an unemployed, gas station attendant, who had never jumped or seen a parachute or 727 before; then he was a perfect fit.

With this case study at the fingertips of any genuine researcher, one can establish a baseline of skills required to complete Cooper’s crime, modeled with reported or observed behaviors being used as guidance to craft a prototype profile of….. oh gawd…… I can’t go on….. that wouldn’t allow for the endless braggadocio and relevance checks to continue. Sorry, please keep up the passive aggressive syntax and subject manipulation which will lead to a pre-selected answer which simply requires a matching problem. Make Cooper a black ops, smoke jumping, pilot/purser who selects dummy chutes and incompatible backpacks as a perfidy to disguise his deep knowledge of airspeeds and door operation.

But above all…….. make YOURSELF part of the story.

Be sure to include your resume as often as possible because YOU are special and interesting, not the data. Forget any CEPs which are the result of modeling the flight with a fact based set of variables because that’s boring. Just declare Cooper an expert jumper who bailed 35….. no, make that 42.23875643 miles (looks more scientific) east of centerline V-23 and give him hairy arms. Gosh, now I feel bad taking all this space with McNally when it could have been used on something relevant. My bad.

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well.......hang on.......almost there.......Howdy Farf

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I'm trying to make sense of this but I'm coming up short....sorry!

KC had parachute training
Gossett had training
Mayfield had training
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Figures.


Weber had lots of first class training. I watched it summer of 1968. 3 guys. DW, a trainer and a spotter. Spotter and trainer would trade off jobs each week. Flying Cloud Airport, Shakopee, Mn. Now Burnsville, MN. Age old jumping center in Minnesota. Pilot Training School, parachute jumps. Plane for rent. Lindstrom Owner. Records not available. POOF!

Flying Cloud airport has always been in Eden Prairie, and don't try the name change deal either, that was in 1948! you would think you could at least check your sources in your own hometown?

The flying cloud airport is north of the Minnesota River. On the south side of Eden Prairie. NO WAY IN HELL.....the airport could have been in Shakopee (per my little birdie) I have eye's and ears all over this round thing we live on Mr Eggman.


I have a map from the 60's that shows it named Flying Cloud, Vicki pointed this out to you a year ago!

Bob your story has run it's course, I believe it's time for you to retire and start building bird houses, personally I think knitting suits you better!!!

also thought I would fly your flag for a while, hope ya don't mind (see photo)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Forget the tens of thousands of WWII veterans who managed to jump, sans training, from aircraft which would be defined as anything other than, straight and level, one G and a ‘Green’. How much empirical data does it take to realize that the average goober could, in fact, jump from a plane, with little or no experience? Would 100,000 examples be enough for the delicate blooms which apparently represent a paratrooper’s self confidence, to realize it’s not as big of a deal as you make it out to be? I personally have known half a dozen men who jumped out of vehicles which included the: F-4, F-15, B-17 and P-38. Interesting to note, the P-38 jock survived in spite of having the side of his cranium shot off exposing his brain. How do you think his freefall arch looked since he permanently lost the use of a leg and arm from the head trauma? PLF? Nope, I’m sure it was ugly but he survived and was a teacher at my high school.

Ever heard of Martin McNally? Didn’t think so:

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/485/485.F2d.398.73-1061.html


Don’t you worry just read the first few paragraphs to get the flavor of McNally.

WOW! is repeated! I thought you were gone forever - didn't know if you went of your own accord or someone got you kicked off.

I have some information on McNally, but it was NOT as detailed as that record was. What I had was just media reports.

Very tired here, but wanted to say Hello. Your post were usually unbiased and fair and we all missed your posters. I had one I wanted you to do for me - but, a lot of water over the dam since then - so I just pushed on.

Don't even remember what it was at this time. Mc Nally was a school teacher? What happened to him - did he die in prison? Seems like these guys just disappear off the face of the earth...or the system swallows them up.

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"Don't even remember what it was at this time. Mc Nally was a school teacher? What happened to him - did he die in prison? Seems like these guys just disappear off the face of the earth...or the system swallows them up. "

see photo

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo, If the age you have given previously is correct, then I am older than you.

It should be noted that my information dates from the actual events in the 1945 era and not 1998 as you state your sources do.
Robert99

The 1998 is WHEN I started collecting data - after I got the letter from the FBI dismissing Duane Weber based on fingerprints from a prison they denied he was even a resident of in 2000.

Actually they date before 1920 because Duane's brother was 12 or 13 yrs older than Duane who was born in 1924 (questionable at the time as an alteration appears on the birth certificate - as 1923). The official records compiled is what we now have to use which is 1924 and what Duane used.

A forensic genealogist pulled lots of records we had NO access to on the whole family. This indivdidual had been assigned to Hoax me for a study and for a new TV series, but was unable to do so for over a yr and was monitoring this thread.

One day I got a phone call - and basically hung up on the person except the individual provided me with contact information to verify his position within the system. I did so timidly and in the beginning would make contact only thru Establishment. After months of gaining my trust - we started to talk. The individual was very ill and no contact now for a long long time, but I do appreciated what this individual did for me...since I could not be hoaxed the individual aided me. That information and the concern of the individual will forever be remembered. It was the first time I had any comfirmation of the things I had been told by Duane's brother and other things told to me by Duane...

The information provide the avenue to more information that proved the FBI did NOT investigate Weber and if they did they did NOT check out his family connections....things that took us right back to WA and also supported Duane's remark in the ST. Pete article when he said "They Know Me".

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"Don't even remember what it was at this time. Mc Nally was a school teacher? What happened to him - did he die in prison? Seems like these guys just disappear off the face of the earth...or the system swallows them up. "

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That photo taken of 3 different individuals in 1972 only exemplifies what I have tried to tell these darn guys for yrs - haircuts and the times and the photography. If you go by the photo - all 3 guys had big ears. It was the same with the Ft. Benning photos we acquire of jumpers there. Look at the news article photos of the day - it was the cuts, the sideburns and everything else combined.

The only thing extraordinary mentioned by the witnesses was something Tina said to the artist. One of which was never reported in the media and one to which I suppose no one ever considered important...it was to me!

McNally was a good looking guy - actually reminds me of a guy who attended the same college I did in 58-59.

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Jo, If the age you have given previously is correct, then I am older than you.

It should be noted that my information dates from the actual events in the 1945 era and not 1998 as you state your sources do.
Robert99

The 1998 is WHEN I started collecting data - after I got the letter from the FBI dismissing Duane Weber based on fingerprints from a prison they denied he was even a resident of in 2000.

Actually they date before 1920 because Duane's brother was 12 or 13 yrs older than Duane who was born in 1924 (questionable at the time as an alteration appears on the birth certificate - as 1923). The official records compiled is what we now have to use which is 1924 and what Duane used.

A forensic genealogist pulled lots of records we had NO access to on the whole family. This indivdidual had been assigned to Hoax me for a study and for a new TV series, but was unable to do so for over a yr and was monitoring this thread.

One day I got a phone call - and basically hung up on the person except the individual provided me with contact information to verify his position within the system. I did so timidly and in the beginning would make contact only thru Establishment. After months of gaining my trust - we started to talk. The individual was very ill and no contact now for a long long time, but I do appreciated what this individual did for me...since I could not be hoaxed the individual aided me. That information and the concern of the individual will forever be remembered. It was the first time I had any comfirmation of the things I had been told by Duane's brother and other things told to me by Duane...

The information provide the avenue to more information that proved the FBI did NOT investigate Weber and if they did they did NOT check out his family connections....things that took us right back to WA and also supported Duane's remark in the ST. Pete article when he said "They Know Me".

Jo, You are just ducking the original questions. Get serious and reply to the original post.

Robert99

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Jo, I don't think the point is that the FBI didn't do a full background check on Duane as much as it was the amount needed, I think they did the investigation as far as they felt given the fact of the prints coming back negative as well as the DNA.

I understand your feeling about the prints and DNA but the FBI is not going to look that deep into Duane's past unless something peaks there interest. I don't think they took a magnifying glass to Marla's family either.

If you feel this strong and compelled to continue I recommend getting a private eye or a police officer like Marla did to get there attention.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Further, you indicate that some of your sources go back to the 1920s. What is the subject of those sources?

Robert99

I asssume this is the question U want addressed?

Duane's father moved to CA in 1943 from Ohio with the assistance of an old friend or friend of the family. The 2 photo may explain this research.

Also NOTE in Ohio Duane's Father was a machinist. He made and repaired airplane parts.

I needed and still need to locate a photo taken around 1933 to 1943 of a young man assisting Derry on the ground with one of his chutes.

I needed and still need to find a complete history backgound of Derry....family, friends, school associates and business associates - times and dates.

The 2 attached photos will explain this search. It is not just about Duane, but about the brother and his associations and those of his father. Duane had spoke about Derry, but only in passing....it was early on and not inrelation to Cooper - so it was just a general conversation during our marriage.

Why I went as far as 1920, but Derry's history goes back further than 1920. I also need to find out the history of Duane's father in regards to his military records. I cannot source this since I am not a blood relative.

Also in seach of picture of Derry's wife.

Two photos attached:

One family photo Duane Treasured because of the memory associated (one he had in his possession and not one provided by the brother). I expect that photo had been kept in a safety deposit box with other things Duane had stored.

This photo was taken from what I can tell around 1935 or before (judging by the size of Duane and his brother). I believe that in the time frame there may have been an aerial show in CA, but so far have found nothing.


The second photo is of the San Moreno Sanitarium and was in Duane's hidden wallet. Individual often went to CA for their health in the 20's.

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Jo, I don't think the point is that the FBI didn't do a full background check on Duane as much as it was the amount needed, I think they did the investigation as far as they felt given the fact of the prints coming back negative as well as the DNA.

I understand your feeling about the prints and DNA but the FBI is not going to look that deep into Duane's past unless something peaks there interest. I don't think they took a magnifying glass to Marla's family either.

If you feel this strong and compelled to continue I recommend getting a private eye or a police officer like Marla did to get there attention.

Cannot afford a private eye as the investigation is too intensive and would require LOTS of travel and why I have done what has been done with the help of friends, the thread and those who have volunteered to help from all walks of life over the yrs.

Much of that help came by way of the DZ.

The FBI has been AWARE of these pictures and know I have made connections of Duane Weber to the N.W., but just need documents and comfirmation which may not exist....because the FBI sat on their hands in 1996. Didn't look far enough or deep enough to find the history of Duane L. Weber and his connections to flight and chutes.

I expect they cannot do indept investigations if the prints and DNA do not match - but NOT every case is solved with DNA and prints.

I can no longer continue the search - so I am letting it all out there and just hope that someone finds something soon. The key to the past is the photo of the family and a friend of the wife. The younger girl is Duane's sister.

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Duane's father moved to CA in 1943 from Ohio with the assistance of an old friend or friend of the family. The 2 photos may explain this research.

Also NOTE in Ohio Duane's Father was a machinist. He made and repaired airplane parts.

I needed and still need to locate a photo taken around 1933 to 1943 of a young man assisting Derry on the ground with one of his chutes.
I needed a complete history backgound of Derry....family, friends, school associates and business associates - times and dates.

It is not just about Duane, but about the brother and his associations and those of his father. Duane had spoke about Derry, but only in passing....it was early on and not in relation to Cooper - just a general conversation during our marriage. I connect Derry and Duane's family I put Weber in a chute or enough knowledge to do the JOB!

Need to find the history of Duane's father in regards to his military records.

Need to know who the other adult woman is in the photo - family photo Duane Treasured because of the memory associated with it.

The photo was taken from what I can tell around 1935 or earlier(judging by the size of Duane and his brother). I believe that in the time frame there may have been an aerial show in CA, but so far have found nothing. Hence WHY they would have taken a trip to CA in that time frame. Duane appears to be about 10 yrs old, the sister about 16 and the oldest brother about 21-23. I am not good at judging age in a photo. What I do know is the bother was 12 or 13 yrs old than Duane and his sister was 6 yrs older than Duane.

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He is still in N.Y. and has a SUNTAN. Never in my life have I associated a SUNTAN with N.Y., but of course - they have beaches too.

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If you feel this strong and compelled to continue I recommend getting a private eye or a police officer like Marla did to get there attention.

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Well, Auburn Days is over for another year...and I'm still interested in supporting the idea of a second Cooper symposium. To be honest, only if there is enough strong interest in having one.

At the Festival, we ran the literary stuff on Saturday the 11th, and the Poetry Guys did their thing on Sunday. The actual festival starts the Saturday prior (August 4th) with the Pioneer Queen Purse at Emerald Downs. The next Thursday they do VIP Night at the theatre. Then the festival begins for real on Friday morning, August 10th.

It was at VIP Night where I announced that we were establishing a special category for our Young Writers' Project (mainstream publication of a full-length, traditional book by a writer under age 18). This category would be for Auburn kids only. So today we ordered copies of the book from last year's national winner and tucked a flyer inside each of them explaining how the whole process works. They go to all the English teachers in the Auburn School district as soon as school starts.

The Festival was a lot of fun. The Book Swap was a big success, and I did NOT speak onstage about DB Cooper, or the you-know-what. I did answer questions in the lobby if people asked, although I was VERY careful to point out that KC has NOT been proven in any way to be Cooper.

Pictures attached with captions, as promised.

Does Auburn Days have a Chief Psychiatrist or
Director of Clinical Outreach, and who would that be?

In other words, what does your sick humor and
Auburn Days have to do with THIS FORUM?

Who requested you post this stuff here?

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I'm trying to make sense of this but I'm coming up short....sorry!

KC had parachute training
Gossett had training
Mayfield had training
_____________________________
Figures.


Weber had lots of first class training. I watched it summer of 1968. 3 guys. DW, a trainer and a spotter. Spotter and trainer would trade off jobs each week. Flying Cloud Airport, Shakopee, Mn. Now Burnsville, MN. Age old jumping center in Minnesota. Pilot Training School, parachute jumps. Plane for rent. Lindstrom Owner. Records not available. POOF!

Flying Cloud airport has always been in Eden Prairie, and don't try the name change deal either, that was in 1948! you would think you could at least check your sources in your own hometown?

The flying cloud airport is north of the Minnesota River. On the south side of Eden Prairie. NO WAY IN HELL.....the airport could have been in Shakopee (per my little birdie) I have eye's and ears all over this round thing we live on Mr Eggman.


I have a map from the 60's that shows it named Flying Cloud, Vicki pointed this out to you a year ago!

Bob your story has run it's course, I believe it's time for you to retire and start building bird houses, personally I think knitting suits you better!!!

also thought I would fly your flag for a while, hope ya don't mind (see photo)

I used to call it the "Shakopee airport" and so did others. Everybody knew what was meant. It is on top of the hill northwest of Shakopee. It is closer to Shakopee than Minneapolis was. When you speak out of ignorance and assume you always know better because you have a different perspective, you only display your ignorance for everyone to see. Chubby Checker, the Twister. "Ya, come on and do the Twist!" How many monkeys does it take to cover up Project Norjak? How many licks in an All Day Bar? It only takes ONE to expose the facts. Cover on, cover on.

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I'm trying to make sense of this but I'm coming up short....sorry!

KC had parachute training
Gossett had training
Mayfield had training
_____________________________
Figures.


Weber had lots of first class training. I watched it summer of 1968. 3 guys. DW, a trainer and a spotter. Spotter and trainer would trade off jobs each week. Flying Cloud Airport, Shakopee, Mn. Now Burnsville, MN. Age old jumping center in Minnesota. Pilot Training School, parachute jumps. Plane for rent. Lindstrom Owner. Records not available. POOF!

Flying Cloud airport has always been in Eden Prairie, and don't try the name change deal either, that was in 1948! you would think you could at least check your sources in your own hometown?

The flying cloud airport is north of the Minnesota River. On the south side of Eden Prairie. NO WAY IN HELL.....the airport could have been in Shakopee (per my little birdie) I have eye's and ears all over this round thing we live on Mr Eggman.


I have a map from the 60's that shows it named Flying Cloud, Vicki pointed this out to you a year ago!

Bob your story has run it's course, I believe it's time for you to retire and start building bird houses, personally I think knitting suits you better!!!

also thought I would fly your flag for a while, hope ya don't mind (see photo)

I used to call it the "Shakopee airport" and so did others. Everybody knew what was meant. It is on top of the hill northwest of Shakopee. It is closer to Shakopee than Minneapolis was. When you speak out of ignorance and assume you always know better because you have a different perspective, you only display your ignorance for everyone to see. Chubby Checker, the Twister. "Ya, come on and do the Twist!" How many monkeys does it take to cover up Project Norjak? How many licks in an All Day Bar? It only takes ONE to expose the facts. Cover on, cover on.

BK asks, "How many monkeys does it take to cover up Project Norjak?" I don't know the exact number, but it is more than just you Knoss.

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"Everybody knew what was meant"

nobody knows ?what you meant" your brain is one of the left over WW2 balloon bombs, pick up a map some time Bob.

while we are at it Mr Truth, 5th time now, please explain how you arrived at 10-15 miles west of the FBI flight path? and explain why you "shifted" everything east on your map!


last year you said this Bob...Shakopee, not Savage, my BOoBOo.. On the edge of a very tall river bank with tons of beautiful jumping area. Yeah, it is in Eden Prarrie now.
Back in the day it was called the Shakopee airport.

Bob, your ignorance has been on here long enough, go back to your knitting!

The real question is Bob....how many fools does it take to make up a story?.......ONE

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Flying Cloud Airport (IATA: FCM, ICAO: KFCM) is a public airport located in the city of Eden Prairie in Hennepin County, Minnesota, about 11 miles (18 km) southwest of the central business district (CBD) of Minneapolis. The airport covers 543 acres (220 ha) and has three runways.
The airport was created in 1941 when the United States Navy was training pilots for World War II. The Navy made arrangements with a local farmer, Martin "Pappy" Grill, to use a grass landing strip. Pilots flying from Wold-Chamberlain Airport, now Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, would use this field for practicing approaches. After the war, Grill sold the field and some adjoining land to American Aviation, Inc. John Stuber gave the field its name "Flying Cloud Airport" to reflect local Indian lore and flying. The Metropolitan Airports Commission bought the airport in 1948 and paved the runway. The MAC built a control tower in 1963. By 1966, it was ranked the second-busiest airport in the central United States behind Chicago-O'Hare International Airport. In 1968, with 446,198 takeoffs and landings, it was the ninth-busiest airport in the United States.[1] Today it is designated by the FAA as a reliever airport and aircraft are restricted to 60,000 pounds or less, except in an emergency situation or when operated by the U.S. Government.[2]
Because of the airport's proximity to the Valleyfair amusement park, the park's rides are restricted in height by FAA regulation

Stop lying Bob!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Uh oh, you posted truth and fact in the "Cooper" thread!


Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!